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Jonathan Grobler
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True

Knowledge is a powerfull thing. I once heard of saying: "I do not beileve that the same god that has gifted us with knowledge will deny us the right to use it."

I would say evryone could study enything as long as they hold the spiritual and mental focus to keep the knowlede gaurded and not let it consume him.

You suled know your foe right? Then I see no wrong in studying the heretical saintinistic culy. Problem is you faith must be so extreamly firm that you will not be tempted by the deamons with. Or obviosly practice eny of the rituals.

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Port Moresby
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quote:
Originally posted by WildB:
"hydraulics"

is mentioned in the Bible.

Ecclesiastes 1:7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. [cool_shades] [/QB]

That was funny.

Thanks for the laugh, WildB.

Cheers,

Port

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WildB
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quote:
Originally posted by Port Moresby:
Originally posted by WildB:
quote:
Sorry Port, not Biblical.
While Mr. Pinker's research may not be Biblical, it does have the merit of actually being true.

Surely you are not suggesting that any knowledge not based on Scripture is without merit.

This line of argument, taken to its logical conclusions, would completely derail the lives that we nowadays live.

For example, if the brakes on one's car fail, and the mechanic at our local auto-shop presents us with a diagnoses of a compromised hydraulics system, are we to dismiss the good man's opinion merely because hydraulics are not mentioned in the Bible?

That would be absurd.

There are many wells of knowledge and wisdom at our disposal, and we'd do well to dip our toes in all of them.

Port

"hydraulics"

is mentioned in the Bible.

Ecclesiastes 1:7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. [cool_shades]

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Port Moresby
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Originally posted by WildB:
quote:
Sorry Port, not Biblical.
While Mr. Pinker's research may not be Biblical, it does have the merit of actually being true.

Surely you are not suggesting that any knowledge not based on Scripture is without merit.

This line of argument, taken to its logical conclusions, would completely derail the lives that we nowadays live.

For example, if the brakes on one's car fail, and the mechanic at our local auto-shop presents us with a diagnoses of a compromised hydraulics system, are we to dismiss the good man's opinion merely because hydraulics are not mentioned in the Bible?

That would be absurd.

There are many wells of knowledge and wisdom at our disposal, and we'd do well to dip our toes in all of them.

Port

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Port Moresby
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quote:

Originally posted by WildB:
[Sorry Port, not Biblical.

While Mr. Pinker's research may not be Biblical, it does have the merit of actually being true.

Surely you are not suggesting that any knowledge not based on Scripture is without merit.

This line of argument, taken to its logical conclusions, would completely derail the lives that we nowadays live.

For example, if the brakes on one's car fail, and the mechanic at our local auto-shop presents us with a diagnoses of a compromised hydraulics system, are we to dismiss the good man's opinion merely because hydraulics are not mentioned in the Bible?

That would be absurd.

There are many wells of knowledge and wisdom at our disposal, and we'd do well to dip our toes in all of them.

Port [/QB][/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]

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Port Moresby
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quote:
Originally posted by WildB:
[Sorry Port, not Biblical.

While Mr. Pinker's research may not be Biblical, it does have the merit of actually being true.

Surely you are not suggesting that any knowledge not based on Scripture is without merit.

This line of argument, taken to its logical conclusions, would completely derail the lives that we nowadays live.

For example, if the brakes on one's car fail, and the mechanic at our local auto-shop presents us with a diagnoses of a compromised hydraulics system, are we to dismiss the good man's opinion merely because hydraulics are not mentioned in the Bible?

That would be absurd.

There are many wells of knowledge and wisdom at our disposal, and we'd do well to dip our toes in all of them.

Port [/QB][/QUOTE]

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Port Moresby
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quote:
Originally posted by WildB:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Port Moresby:
[qb] Even though I do not doubt that in some regards we are sinking ever deeper in an morass of immorality (the crass and depraved commercialism which infests every inch of our beautiful country remains my bête noire) we mustn't forget that in some respects we can be said to be in moral ascent. As Steven Pinker so eloquently ( and persuasively ) argues in his 2011 "The Better Angels of Our Nature", we are far less violent to one another today than at any time in our history, and this long trend shows no sign of stopping.
So, although many moral issues warrant our concern, there's also room to be optimistic and even to be a little proud of what we have achieved.

Port

Sorry Port, not Biblical.

While Mr. Pinker's research may not be Biblical, it does have the merit of actually being true.

Surely you are not suggesting that any knowledge not based on Scripture is without merit.

This line of argument, taken to its logical conclusions, would completely derail the lives that we nowadays live.

For example, if the brakes on one's car fail, and the mechanic at our local auto-shop presents us with a diagnoses of a compromised hydraulics system, are we to dismiss the good man's opinion merely because hydraulics are not mentioned in the Bible?

That would be absurd.

There are many wells of knowledge and wisdom at our disposal, and we'd do well to dip our toes in all of them.

Port

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quote:
Originally posted by Port Moresby:
Even though I do not doubt that in some regards we are sinking ever deeper in an morass of immorality (the crass and depraved commercialism which infests every inch of our beautiful country remains my bête noire) we mustn't forget that in some respects we can be said to be in moral ascent. As Steven Pinker so eloquently ( and persuasively ) argues in his 2011 "The Better Angels of Our Nature", we are far less violent to one another today than at any time in our history, and this long trend shows no sign of stopping.
So, although many moral issues warrant our concern, there's also room to be optimistic and even to be a little proud of what we have achieved.

Port

Sorry Port, not Biblical.

2 Timothy 3
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.

12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.


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Even though I do not doubt that in some regards we are sinking ever deeper in an morass of immorality (the crass and depraved commercialism which infests every inch of our beautiful country remains my bête noire) we mustn't forget that in some respects we can be said to be in moral ascent. As Steven Pinker so eloquently ( and persuasively ) argues in his 2011 "The Better Angels of Our Nature", we are far less violent to one another today than at any time in our history, and this long trend shows no sign of stopping.
So, although many moral issues warrant our concern, there's also room to be optimistic and even to be a little proud of what we have achieved.

Port

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For a descriptive statement regarding "Morality" and its importance see this statement on my website: <a href="http://www.christianityetc.org/morality.php">Morality</a>

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You are so right!!!! Our morality is pulling us down toward the abyss. It isn't just the US... The UK are now accepting same sex marriage, Israel allows gay marches! I think that breaks my heart more than anything. Gay marches in God's Holy Land!!! [Frown] We need to pray for each other for the strength to endure to the end.
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History shows that the downfall of any powerful nation was it morality.

It can be found all the way back before the fall of the roman empire "Sodom". America has joined it's history when it comes to the downfall of its morality. Now we are forced to accept the unacceptable.

Those with morality are persecuted for having morals, but I guess it falls under this. For God said do not change or add to my laws, but man thought himself to be more merciful than God and created his own laws and added them to God's, and eventually God's laws have been pushed aside for Man's more so called merciful laws.

For that our child are forced to accept what is morally unacceptable. It is seen in their schools on a daily bases, and in almost any activity they do.

Until Morality is brought back to American Society we will go with the history of so many other powerful civilizations.

Just a thought.

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