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Here is a part of a letter from Kenneth Copeland Ministries dated October 29, 1996. The rest of the letter and some other explanatory items can be found at http://www.victoryword.100megspop2.com/copeland_response.htm
"Are we Gods?
"Are we gods? In John 10:34-35 Jesus asked why He had incurred the wrath of the Jews by claiming to be the Son of God when the Psalmist had referred to ordinary judges saying " .Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High (Psalm 82:6). In Hebrews 1:8, God is speaking to His first begotten Son, Jesus Christ, and He calls Him God. Jesus is declared God, and He is God':
"In reference to us; when we are recreated, we are created "in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:10). If we are "in Christ", we are in God (2 Corinthians 5:17). The great mystery (Ephesians 5:30-32) is involved: God in us, us in God. We have God-given capabilities. We have His faith (Mark 11:22, literal translation; Romans 12:3). Jesus said all power is given unto me; therefore, you take it and use it (Matthew 28:18-20, Mark 16:15-18, Luke 10:18-20). Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will show us God's power, abilities, resources and supply, and make them available to us (John 16:13-15).
"When God formed man out of the dust of the earth and imparted life to him, the result was perfection. God made this man in His own "image" (Genesis 1:26). From the word "image", we could say this man was as close a copy of God Himself as His own shadow. That is the Hebrew definition of the word "image". The level of communication between God and His man was the highest level, the spirit-level. Above all, God gave Adam (man) a will, the capacity to decide and choose. Adam pleased God because he operated by faith (Hebrews 11:6).
"Think about that: God intended man to rule the earth together with Him! He gave Adam the mental ability to name every living creature. God is the Creator of the universe. He is the Creator of light, and that is how we measure the universe. Jesus called us the light of the world (Matthew 5:14). The Creator and Lord of the universe lives and dwells within us (2 Corinthians 6:16). He gave us dominion and power to use over all the power of the enemy, both in heaven and earth (Matthew 18:18). We have His Name and His Word. The Lord of ALL dwells within us and uses us to rule in the affairs of life (Romans 5:17). He does this through us because we are His Body here on earth. We are in Him and He is in us (John 17:21).
"God has dominion over the entire spiritual realm. Man (the believer recreated in Christ Jesus) is intended to dominate the physical realm. Together with God, we are to have dominion over it all."
If you scroll to the bottom of that page and click on "Home" you'll reach a site where there are other "defense" papers of certain words and beliefs criticized on this forum on other threads.
I've posted the idea before that those who hold beliefs criticized on this forum do so based on what they feel to be sound biblical doctrines.
Whether the doctrines are truly sound or not is up to the individiual believer to determine between themselves and their God.
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I have seen many of them preach, and more than once or twice. I have also seen and/or read some of their books.
I speak from personal experience, not from another's website or hearsay.
Sorry - because the majority of the information we have seen is from all of those foreign websites, it just seems that is the only source that is being used.
No problem at all. I understand why you would assume otherwise. Just wanted to clarify.
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I have seen many of them preach, and more than once or twice. I have also seen and/or read some of their books.
I speak from personal experience, not from another's website or hearsay.
Sorry - because the majority of the information we have seen is from all of those foreign websites, it just seems that is the only source that is being used.
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I grew up watching most of these Preachers on T.V. I used to be so easily lead that after watching each one I was convinced that they were IT. But, when I began to go to Bible Study and search the Word of God for myself, I saw that everyone that preaches God is not preaching God's Word.
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The sad thing is that the majoriity on this Board have probably never heard a sermon by these preachers, yet are prepared to listen to hearsay from unknown websites.
When you say the "majority", I think you are making a false assumption. I know that at least a couple of "Truth Defenders" (not heresy hunters as some like to label) have stated that they were once followers and supporters of some of the WOF teachers.
I can't speak for the others, but your assumption is not true for me. I have seen many of them preach, and more than once or twice. I have also seen and/or read some of their books.
I speak from personal experience, not from another's website or hearsay.
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Amen Andyman, Drew, and Linda - And Thank You!
I got so caught up in that other thread that somehow I missed these replies here until just now.... I'm exhausted ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Here is a name that fits them all - Apostate teachers of false doctrine. I actually agree with you on the label issue T7- but in the end the result is the same; if it is not sound Biblically, it is doctrine of demons.
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I agree with the statement quote:
superficial theology and wresting from context,
But there are many differences in Hagin/Copeland and Schuller/Peale,
I can't see them grouped together.
If you call Copeland WOF, them you need a different name for Schuller.
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For the first few years as a new believer I was a follower of the WOF. I was even a member of the FGBMFI, and honored the teachings of Oral Roberts, Copeland, Hagin, etc. I bought into the Schuller/Peale anathema, and I thought Shakarian's, "The Happiest People On Earth", and Basham's, "Face Up With a Miracle", were the epitomy of Christian witness. I bought into Fr. Dennis Bennet's, "Nine O'Clock In the Morning", and Dennis and Rita's, "The Holy Spirit and You".
As I was able to TRULY study God's Word, and to sit under Godly exegesis, I came to understand the error of the WOF, and the superficial theology and wresting from context, which leads so many astray.
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His Grace,
I totally understand what you are saying and I agree with you. God bless you!
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HisGrace- understand what soft touch, I, and a few others are doing. Its not that we are trying to be the 'bad guys' online but true false prophets have gone out into the world. Quit believeing every single pastor thats rich enough to get on tv! Use discernment and become well rooted in your Bible and test those things that are not true. Find whats pure and genuine because alot of folks combine truth with some incredibly blasphemous teachings - the delicious, warm, gooey chocolate cookies topped with a little cyanide in them.
To many pators have manipulated the Word of God and have actually admit using teachings from, as an example of pastor Paul Yonggi Cho, the cult Soka Gakkai - which is basically the buddhist cult of "name-it-and-claim-it."
17You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. 19Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent.
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http://www.watchman.org/profile/wordpro.htm
Word-Faith Movement - PROFILE
by Clete Hux
Founder/Founding date: As a movement rather than an organized group, there is no founder or founding date, per se. The philosophical roots extend to Gnosticism. E.W. Kenyon (1860-1948) was perhaps the earliest modern exponent to blend the movement's eastern mystical and New Age elements with Christian teaching.
Official Publications: None. Two prominent publications are Kenneth Copeland's "Believer's Voice of Victory" and Kenneth Hagin's "The Word of Faith" magazines. There are scores of books, newsletters, pamphlets by various authors Hagin, Kenyon, Copeland, Capps, Price, etc.
Organizational Structure: Has no key universally acknowledged leader or central headquarters. The teachers of the movement all have their own churches and followings.
Unique Terms: The God-kind of faith; the force of faith; the Anointing; spirit-man; spiritual death of Christ; born-again Jesus; authority of the believer.
Other Names: Word-of-Faith, Positive Confession, Faith-formula, Health & Wealth Gospel.
HISTORY
Born in 1860, E. W. Kenyon is generally recognized as the founding father of the modern Word-Faith Movement. Beginning as a Methodist, he became quite ecumenical, associating with the Baptists. Some of his work even resulted in the founding of a few Primitive Baptist Churches. Late in life, Kenyon moved into Pentecostalism. At the same time, he combined elements of the metaphysical cults, such as Christian Science, New Thought theology, and Unity School of Christianity (D.R. McConnell, A Different Gospel, pp. 31-35). "The doctrines of correct thinking and believing accompanied by positive confession, with the result of calling a sickness a symptom (denial of reality supported by a Gnostic dualism) are not found in Christian writings until after New Thought and its offspring had begun to develop them. Therefore, it is not unreasonable to state that the doctrine originated and developed in these cults, and was later absorbed by Christians in their quest to develop a healing ministry" (H. Terris Neuman, An Analysis of the Sources of the Charismatic Teaching of Positive Confession, p. 43).
Though obviously not the movement's originator, some have also called Kenneth Hagin the "grand-daddy of the faith teachers" (Sherry Andrews, "Kenneth Hagin, “Keeping the Faith," Charisma, October 1981, p. 24). In a survey of readers of Charisma (a major Charismatic magazine) concerning those ministers that influence them the most, Kenneth Hagin was 3rd, ranked behind only TV evangelist Pat Robertson, and the heir apparent to the Word-Faith movement throne, Kenneth Copeland (Kenneth Hagin, Jr., Charisma, "Trend Toward the Faith Movement," August 1985, pp. 67-70).
DOCTRINE
God
Word-Faith teachers claim that God operates by spiritual law and is obliged to obey the faith-filled commands and desires of believers. He not only reveals prosperity teaching supernaturally to the Word-Faith teachers, but personally and verbally confirms their unique interpretations of Scripture (Copeland, Laws of Prosperity, pp. 60-62).
They say the Abrahamic Covenant is the basis for commanding God to do His part in the covenant. Robert Tilton says, "we make our own promises to do our part, then we can tell God, on the authority of His word, what we would like Him to do. That's right, you can actually tell God what you would like His part in the Covenant to be" (God's Miracle Plan for Man, p. 36). Kenneth Copeland says, "as a believer, you have a right to make commands in the name of Jesus. Each time you stand on the Word, you are commanding God to a certain extent, because it is His Word" (Our Covenant with God, p. 32). Copeland goes so far as to say that "God was the lesser party and Abraham was the greater" in the covenant between them (Copeland, Legal and Vital Aspects of Redemption, 1985, Audio Tape #01-0403).
The Faith teachers also make God into a big man. Copeland says, "God is...a being that stands somewhere around 6'-2," 6'-3," that weighs somewhere in the neighborhood of a couple of hundred pounds, little better, and has a hand span of nine inches across" (Spirit, Soul, and Body, 1985, Tape #01-0601). Morris Cerillo, in an alleged out-of-body experience, describes God: "Suddenly, in front of this tremendous multitude of people, the glory of God appeared. The form that I saw was about the height of a man 6 feet tall, maybe taller, and twice as broad as a human body, with no distinguishing features such as eyes, nose, or mouth" (The Miracle Book, pp. x-xi).
Man
Word-Faith teachers say that not only is God a big man, but man is a little god. Kenneth Hagin has asserted, "man...was created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in God's presence without any consciousness of inferiority.... He made us the same class of being that He is Himself.... He lived on terms equal with God.... The believer is called Christ, that's who we are; we're Christ" (Zoe: The God Kind of Life, pp. 35-36, 41). "God's reason for creating Adam was His desire to reproduce Himself...He was not a little like God. He was not almost like God. He was not subordinate to God even" (Copeland, Following the Faith of Abraham, 1989, Tape #01-3001). He also proclaims, "You don't have a God in you, you are one!" (Copeland, The Force of Love, 1987, Tape #02-0028). Morris Cerillo says "the whole purpose of God was to reproduce Himself. ...you're not looking at Morris Cerillo, you're looking at God, you're looking at Jesus" (The End Time Manifestation of the Sons of God, Audio Tape 1, Sides 1 &;2).
Christ
The deity of Christ is compromised. Kenneth Copeland, in relating what Christ supposedly told him, says, "don't be disturbed when people accuse you of thinking you are God...the more you get to be like Me, the more they are going to think that way of you. They crucified Me for claiming that I was God. But I didn't claim I was God. I just claimed I walked with Him and that He was with Me" (Copeland, "Take Time to Pray," Believer's Voice of Victory, #15, 2 February 1987, p. 9). "Jesus was on the earth just a man, not the son of God" (Frederick K.C. Price, Tape #RP 19, May 1993). And Kenneth Hagin says, "You are as much the incarnation of God as Jesus Christ was" (The Word of Faith, December 1980, p. 14).
Atonement
The very important doctrine of the atonement of Christ is distorted. Frequently Word-Faith teachers unduly over-emphasize the spiritual death instead of the physical death of Christ. "Physical death will not remove sins" (Hagin, The Name of Jesus, p. 29). In other words, it took the spiritual death of Jesus to atone for sins. "Do you think that the punishment of our sins was to die on the cross? If that was the case, the two thieves could have paid our price. No, the punishment was to go into hell itself and to serve time in hell separated from God" (K. C. Price, Ever Increasing Faith Messenger, June 1990, p. 7).
According to Word-Faith teachers, when Adam rebelled, or "committed high treason," he not only betrayed God by turning over to Satan what God had given him, he also took on the nature of Satan. So, to redeem mankind and creation from Satan's legal control, Jesus, as the second Adam, had to die not only physically but spiritually. This may be acceptable among some evangelicals. But where it has led Word-Faith teachers is not. They say Jesus not only bore our sins on Calvary, but also took on the actual nature of Satan himself. "Just as Adam died spiritually, Jesus died spiritually. The spiritual death He suffered caused His physical body to die.... When Jesus accepted the sin nature of Satan into His Spirit He cried 'My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?' He was separated from God... He was ushered into the bowels of hell" (Kenneth Copeland, Classic Redemption, p. 13; emphasis added). "Spiritual death means having Satan's nature" (Hagin, The Name of Jesus, p. 31).
Just a man on earth, and taking on the nature of Satan at the cross, Jesus becomes just a sinner in need of redemption. At the resurrection Jesus is a born again man from the pit of hell. "Jesus was born again in the pit of Hell....The Church started when Jesus was born again in the gates of Hell" (Charles Capps, Authority In Three Worlds, pp. 212 13).
Other Doctrines
1) Positive Confession: The Theology of the Spoken Word (Rhematology), or thought actualization, is commonly known as positive confession. It stresses the inherent power of words and thoughts. Each person predestines his own future by what he says verbally and by how well he uses spiritual laws. As such, it is as if we live in a mechanistic universe instead of a personal one (see, Kenneth Copeland, Laws of Prosperity, p. 15; Charles Capps, The Tongue A Creative Force, pp. 117-118; Releasing the Ability of God, pp. 98-99, 101-104).
2) The Gospel of Health: Isaiah 53 is used to justify blanket coverage for the physical healing of every Christian who has enough faith. "...it is the plan of our Father God in His great love and His great mercy that no believer should ever be sick, that every believer should live his life full span down here on earth and that every believer should finally just fall asleep in Jesus" (Hagin, Seven Things You Should Know About Divine Healing[/i], p. 21). Hagin also denies having a headache for forty-five years, labeling such as "simply symptoms rather than any indication of a headache" ([b]In the Name of Jesus,[/I] p. 44).
3) [b]The Gospel of Wealth: A central tenet of the prosperity gospel is that God wills the financial prosperity of every Christian. If a believer lives in poverty, he/she is living outside God's intended will. "You must realize that it is God's will for you to prosper" (Copeland, Laws of Prosperity, p. 51).
BIBLICAL RESPONSE
1) God is the unique, Sovereign of the Universe (1 Timothy 6:15). God is pure spirit (John 4:24). There is no biblical basis for teaching that God has His own body, as an essential part of His nature or being. This would be more in line with Mormonism than orthodox Christianity.
2) Man is unique from the rest of Creation, but is not Divine. He was created in the image of God (Genesis 1:26, 27; 9:6), but bearing God's image does not make him a "little god." By definition, God is an "uncreated" or self-existent Being. Obviously, humans were created and therefore are not self-existent or divine; only God has a divine nature (Galatians 4:8; Isaiah 1:6-11, 43:10, 44:6; Ezekiel 28:2; Psalms 8:6-8).
3) Christ is Eternal, the Only Begotten Son, and the Only Incarnation of God (John 1:1, 2, 15; 1:14, 18; 3:16; 1 John 4:1). In Him dwelt the fullness of the Godhead bodily (Colossians 2:9). By receiving the limitations of humanity (Philippians 2:6-7) Jesus forwent the exercise of some of His prerogatives as God. But He did not cease to be God. It is also impossible for the natures of God or man (Christ was both on earth) to cease being what they are.
4) The nature of the atonement had to do with Jesus' physical death on the cross being the payment for sins (Hebrews 9:22). Christ said, "It is finished" (John 19:30), which translates tetelistai meaning "paid for in full." Payment for our sins took place on the cross (Matt. 26:28; 1 Pet. 2:24; Col. 1:20-22; Heb. 10:10, 12, 14, 19 20). There was nothing more to pay beyond the cross (Heb. 10:18).
5) God is the only One who ever created reality by the power of His Word (Genesis 1:3). He does not have or need "faith." Faith is depending on something outside ourselves. If God depends upon something outside Himself, He is not Supreme and therefore not God. Man, not God, is in need of faith. The faith referenced in Mark 11:22 and Hebrews 11:3 is clearly "the faith which has God as its object," not "the kind of faith that God has."
6) The use of words for Positive Confession; One may help or hurt another by words of encouragement or condemnation, by telling the truth or misleading, etc. But to treat words as if they were some "star wars" type weapon by which reality is manipulated or altered is not biblical, but occultic.
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Never heard of these "Godhood" people before. How do I know how reputable their statements are?
The sad thing is that the majoriity on this Board have probably never heard a sermon by these preachers, yet are prepared to listen to hearsay from unknown websites. Beats me?? 
I'm tired of heretic hunting the heretic hunters. I'm outa' here friends and neighbours.
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A Comparison Of Teachings
Quotes on Godhood by various teachers:
“When you say,’ I am a Christian’, you are saying, ‘I am mashiach’ in the Hebrew. I am a little messiah walking on the earth, in other words. That is a shocking revelation……may I say it like this? You are a little god on earth running around.” Benny Hinn (from Praise-a-Thon program on TBN 11/6/90) – Word of Faith Teacher
“When you have called Jesus, really you have called me. When you call me really you have called Jesus.” Bhagwan Shree (“Sir God”) Rajneesh (quoted in Fear and the Master, 1987) – Hindu/New Age Teacher
“You are as much an incarnation of God as Jesus Christ was. Every man who has been born again is an incarnation and Christianity is a miracle. The believer is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth.” Kenneth Hagin (Word of Faith, Dec. 1980, p.14) – Word of Faith Teacher
“The object of Magic, is the return of man to the Gods, the unity of the individual consciousness during life with the greater being of the universal Essences…” Israel Regardie (The Tree of Life, A Study in Magic p. 35) – I have no idea what teaching, but I’m guessing Kabbala – Jewish Mysticism
“You don’t have a god in you, you are one.” “God’s reason for creating Adam was His desire to reproduce Himself…He was not a little like God. He was not almost like God. He was not subordinate to God even.” “I say this with all respect so that I don’t upset you too bad, but I say it anyway. When I read in the Bible where he (Jesus) says, ‘I Am, ‘I just smile and say, ‘Yes, I Am, too’ “ Kenneth Copeland (Video, The Force of Love, 1987, audiotape#02-0028 side1- Following the Faith of Abraham 1, 1989, audiotape # 01-3001, side1 – Believers Voice of Victory, TBN broadcast, 7/9/97) – Word of Faith Teacher
“That exaltation which the saints of the ages have so devoutly sought is godhood itself.” Bruce McConkie Mormon Apostle (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p.32) – Morman/Latter Day Saints (LDS) Teacher
“Adam and Eve were placed in the world as the seed and expression of God. Just as dogs have puppies and cats have kittens, so God has little gods; we have trouble comprehending this truth. Until we comprehend that we are little gods, we cannot manifest the kingdom of God.” Earl Paulk (Satan Unmasked, p. 97) – Word of Faith Teacher
“…each man is a shadow or a spark of divinity” “Ye are gods in your innermost parts” Madame Blavatsky ( Theosophy, Secret Doctrine) – New Age Illumanti/Magic, founder of the Theosophical Society – Occult High Preistest
“It is written that ye are gods. I’m a god you’re a god. And I’m a god, and I’m gonna stay a god until you recognize that you’re a god. But until I see you all knowing who you are, I’m going to be very much what I am—God, Almighty God.” Jim Jones (from Reston/Adams, Father Cares, The Last of Jonestown, National Public Radio, April 23, 1981) – Cult Leader who believed he was “The Christ,” who led hundreds to their deaths (by drinking poisioned Kool-Aide) in Africia
“We are gods and might as well get used to it.” Margot Adler (witchcraft, Drawing Down the Moon, 1986, p.25) – Obviously, a Witch
Quotes of various Teachers on God’s ‘gender’
"Then, he created Eve out of Adam. Now, actually God didn't name her Eve, Adam named her Eve later. That wasn't her name, her name was Adam . . . Adam. When God said Adam, they both came. Their authority was one and the same together. They did everything together. They had always been together. Even when she was still part of him, he was as much female as he was male, LIKE GOD IS. And God separated the female part of him and then put them back together. And she was Adam, they were Adam. He was the man, she was the woman. She was the man with the womb." Kenneth Copeland (transcribed TBN, Praise-a-Thon) – Word of Faith Teacher
"As we know, Adam was created to perfection. He was created in the perfect image of 'Elohim.' Of course, God is not seen as being either male or female, but as both at once. Even the name Elohim is a feminine word (Eloah—Goddess) with a masculine plural suffix. Thus, if God is male and female, the mother and the father, then Adam (which translates as 'Mankind') must also have originally been male and female in one. To be otherwise would have been to be unbalanced, and thus imperfect." Khephera (The Lilith Shrine, Male and Female He Created Them) (Lilith in Jewish paganism was first woman created by God. Much of demonic realm in Jewish folklore is attributed to Lilith)
“All that exists,, all that has been formed by the Ancient, whose name be sanctified! Can exist only in a male and female.” Adolphe Franck, (The Kabbalah, 1960, p. 96) – Kabbalistic Teacher – Jewish Mysticism
“The Hermaphroditic figure is the Symbol of the double nature anciently assigned to the Deity, as Generator and Producer, as Brahm and Maya among the Arians, Osiris and Isis among the Egyptians. As the Sun was male, so the Moon was female; and Isis was both the sister and the wife of Osiris.” Albert Pike, (Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, 1919, pp. 850-851) – Major Illumanist who wrote the ‘bible of Freemasonry’ “Morals and Dogma…
Does anyone see any differences in these teachings?
Ummm... HELLO????
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A Comparison Of Teachings
Quotes on Godhood by various teachers:
“When you say,’ I am a Christian’, you are saying, ‘I am mashiach’ in the Hebrew. I am a little messiah walking on the earth, in other words. That is a shocking revelation……may I say it like this? You are a little god on earth running around.” Benny Hinn (from Praise-a-Thon program on TBN 11/6/90) – Word of Faith Teacher
“When you have called Jesus, really you have called me. When you call me really you have called Jesus.” Bhagwan Shree (“Sir God”) Rajneesh (quoted in Fear and the Master, 1987) – Hindu/New Age Teacher
“You are as much an incarnation of God as Jesus Christ was. Every man who has been born again is an incarnation and Christianity is a miracle. The believer is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth.” Kenneth Hagin (Word of Faith, Dec. 1980, p.14) – Word of Faith Teacher
“The object of Magic, is the return of man to the Gods, the unity of the individual consciousness during life with the greater being of the universal Essences…” Israel Regardie (The Tree of Life, A Study in Magic p. 35) – I have no idea what teaching, but I’m guessing Kabbala – Jewish Mysticism
“You don’t have a god in you, you are one.” “God’s reason for creating Adam was His desire to reproduce Himself…He was not a little like God. He was not almost like God. He was not subordinate to God even.” “I say this with all respect so that I don’t upset you too bad, but I say it anyway. When I read in the Bible where he (Jesus) says, ‘I Am, ‘I just smile and say, ‘Yes, I Am, too’ “ Kenneth Copeland (Video, The Force of Love, 1987, audiotape#02-0028 side1- Following the Faith of Abraham 1, 1989, audiotape # 01-3001, side1 – Believers Voice of Victory, TBN broadcast, 7/9/97) – Word of Faith Teacher
“That exaltation which the saints of the ages have so devoutly sought is godhood itself.” Bruce McConkie Mormon Apostle (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p.32) – Morman/Latter Day Saints (LDS) Teacher
“Adam and Eve were placed in the world as the seed and expression of God. Just as dogs have puppies and cats have kittens, so God has little gods; we have trouble comprehending this truth. Until we comprehend that we are little gods, we cannot manifest the kingdom of God.” Earl Paulk (Satan Unmasked, p. 97) – Word of Faith Teacher
“…each man is a shadow or a spark of divinity” “Ye are gods in your innermost parts” Madame Blavatsky ( Theosophy, Secret Doctrine) – New Age Illumanti/Magic, founder of the Theosophical Society – Occult High Preistest
“It is written that ye are gods. I’m a god you’re a god. And I’m a god, and I’m gonna stay a god until you recognize that you’re a god. But until I see you all knowing who you are, I’m going to be very much what I am—God, Almighty God.” Jim Jones (from Reston/Adams, Father Cares, The Last of Jonestown, National Public Radio, April 23, 1981) – Cult Leader who believed he was “The Christ,” who led hundreds to their deaths (by drinking poisioned Kool-Aide) in Africia
“We are gods and might as well get used to it.” Margot Adler (witchcraft, Drawing Down the Moon, 1986, p.25) – Obviously, a Witch
Quotes of various Teachers on God’s ‘gender’
"Then, he created Eve out of Adam. Now, actually God didn't name her Eve, Adam named her Eve later. That wasn't her name, her name was Adam . . . Adam. When God said Adam, they both came. Their authority was one and the same together. They did everything together. They had always been together. Even when she was still part of him, he was as much female as he was male, LIKE GOD IS. And God separated the female part of him and then put them back together. And she was Adam, they were Adam. He was the man, she was the woman. She was the man with the womb." Kenneth Copeland (transcribed TBN, Praise-a-Thon) – Word of Faith Teacher
"As we know, Adam was created to perfection. He was created in the perfect image of 'Elohim.' Of course, God is not seen as being either male or female, but as both at once. Even the name Elohim is a feminine word (Eloah—Goddess) with a masculine plural suffix. Thus, if God is male and female, the mother and the father, then Adam (which translates as 'Mankind') must also have originally been male and female in one. To be otherwise would have been to be unbalanced, and thus imperfect." Khephera (The Lilith Shrine, Male and Female He Created Them) (Lilith in Jewish paganism was first woman created by God. Much of demonic realm in Jewish folklore is attributed to Lilith)
“All that exists,, all that has been formed by the Ancient, whose name be sanctified! Can exist only in a male and female.” Adolphe Franck, (The Kabbalah, 1960, p. 96) – Kabbalistic Teacher – Jewish Mysticism
“The Hermaphroditic figure is the Symbol of the double nature anciently assigned to the Deity, as Generator and Producer, as Brahm and Maya among the Arians, Osiris and Isis among the Egyptians. As the Sun was male, so the Moon was female; and Isis was both the sister and the wife of Osiris.” Albert Pike, (Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, 1919, pp. 850-851) – Major Illumanist who wrote the ‘bible of Freemasonry’ “Morals and Dogma…
Does anyone see any differences in these teachings?
Ummm... HELLO????
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Psalm 119:104Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way. 105Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
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His Grace,
Thank you very much for your above posting. It is an excellent one and it certainly shows the truth of what WOF believes. There is nothing new age whatsoever where WOF is concerned and people need to know that truth.
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Word of Faith groups have been accused of being New Age, but that is far from what I have learned from their teachings.
"N.A God is an impersonal force.
W.O.F God is personal. He is our Heavenly Father who loves us.
N.A God is all and all is God. He is part of creation, as are all of us.
W.O.F God is the Almighty Creator of the universe, and all within it. Man is finite, and one of God’s creations.
N.A.There is no sin, only misunderstanding of truth.
W.O.F Rebellion from God is sin. All have sinned, and all must be saved.
N.A.Man saves himself.
W.O.F Jesus Christ paid the penalty for our sins. Only through faith in Him may man be saved
N.A.Heaven and Hell do not exist. They are states of mind.
W.O.F. There is a literal Heaven, and a literal Hell.
N.A.Jesus is a man who exemplified “Christ Consciousness, and the divinity that is man.
W.O.F. Jesus is the Son of God, and is part of the triune nature of God.
Perhaps one of the biggest draws of the NAM is the release it provides from personal accountability and responsibility. Moral Relativism claims that there is no such thing as right or wrong. Each PERSON, in their effort to achieve oneness, must travel their own path and make their own decisions. And those decisions are never wrong, provided they’re not wrong in that person’s own mind.
As Christians, we recognize the fallacy of that thinking. We know that man is finite and imperfect. In fact, man has a sinful nature. Only through faith in an eternal and omnipotent God may we be saved from our sin. The NAM sees the Christian view of salvation through Christ alone as being divisive and exclusionary. What they don’t see, is that the gift of salvation is free to EVERYONE. The stipulation is that each person must accept that."
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