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caitlyngambino
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Thank you all so very much for your blessings. Please do me a big favor and keep me in your prayers. I am almost over my fear. Thanks again.
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Pleading the Blood of Jesus
This is the best teaching I know of on the subject.
Adapted from "The Normal Christian Life" by Watchman Nee.
Chapter 1: The Blood of Christ
What is the normal Christian life? We do well at the outset to ponder this question. The object of these studies is to show that it is something very different from the life of the average Christian. Indeed a consideration of the written Word of God -- of the Sermon on the Mount for example -- should lead us to ask whether such a life has ever in act been lived upon the earth, save only by the Son of God Himself. But in that last saving clause lies immediately the answer to our question.
The Apostle Paul gives us his own definition of the Christian life in Galations 2:20. It is "no longer I, but Christ". Here he is not stating something special or peculiar -- a high level of Christianity. He is, we believe, presenting God's normal for a Christian, which can be summarized in the words: I live no longer, but Christ lives His life in me.
God makes it quite clear in His Word that He has only one answer to every human need -- His Son, Jesus Christ. In all His dealings with us He works by taking us out of the way and substituting Christ in our place. The Son of God died instead of us for our forgiveness: He lives instead of us for our deliverance. So we can speak of two substitutions -- a Substitute on the Cross who secures our forgiveness and a Substitute within who secures our victory. It will help us greatly, and save us from much confusion, if we keep constantly before us this fact, that God will answer all our questions in one way only, namely, by showing us more of His Son.
Our Dual Problem: Sins and Sin
We shall take now as a starting-point for our study of the normal Christian life that great exposition of it which we find in the first eight chapters of the Epistle to the Romans, and we shall approach our subject from a practical and experimental point of view. It will be helpful first of all to point out a natural division of this section of Romans into two, and to note certain striking differences in the subject-matter of its two parts.
The first eight chapters of Romans form a self-contained unit. The four-and-a-half chapters from 1:1 to 5:11 form the first half of this unit and the three-and-a-half chapters from 5:12 to 8:39 the second half. A careful reading will show us that the subject-matter of the two halves is not the same. For example, in the argument of the first section we find the plural word `sins' given prominence. In the second section, however, this changed, for while the word `sins' hardly occurs once, the singular word `sin' is used again and again and is the subject mainly dealt with. Why is this?
It is because in the first section it is a question of the sins I have committed before God, which are many and can be enumerated, whereas in the second it is a question of sin as a principle working in me. No matter how many sins I commit, it is always the one sin principle that leads to them. I need forgiveness for my sins, but I need also deliverance from the power of sin. The former touches my conscience, the latter my life. I may receive forgiveness for all my sins, but because of my sin I have, even then, no abiding peace of mind.
When God's light first shines into my heart my one cry is for forgiveness, for I realize I have committed sins before Him; but when once I have received forgiveness of sins I make a new discovery, namely, the discovery of sin, and I realize not only that I have committed sins before God but that there is something wrong within. I discover that I have the nature of a sinner. There is an inward inclination to sin, a power within that draws to sin. When that power breaks out I commit sins. I may seek and receive forgiveness, but then I sin once more. So life goes on in a vicious circle of sinning and being forgiven and then sinning again. I appreciate the blessed fact of God's forgiveness, but I want something more than that: I want deliverance. I need forgiveness for what I have done, but I need also deliverance from what I am.
God's Dual Remedy: The Blood and the Cross
Thus in the first eight chapters of Romans two aspects of salvation are presented to us: firstly, the forgiveness of our sins, and secondly, our deliverance from sin. But now, in keeping with this fact, we must notice a further difference.
In the first part of Romans 1 to 8, we twice have reference to the Blood of the Lord Jesus, in chapter 3:25 and in chapter 5:9. In the second, a new idea is introduced in chapter 6:6, where we are said to have been "crucified" with Christ. The argument of the first part gathers round that aspect of the work of the Lord Jesus which is represented by `the Blood' shed for our justification through "the remission of sins". This terminology is however not carried on into the second section, where the argument centers now in the aspect of His work represented by `the Cross', that is to say, by our union with Christ in His death, burial and resurrection. This distinction is a valuable one. We shall see that the Blood deals with what we have done, whereas the Cross deals with what we are. The Blood disposes of our sins, while the Cross strikes at the root of our capacity for sin. The latter aspect will be the subject of our consideration in later chapters.
The Problem Of Our Sins
We begin, then, with the precious Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ and its value to us in dealing with our sins and justifying us in the sight of God. This is set forth for us in the following passages:
"All have sinned" (Romans 3:23).
"God commendeth his own love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him" (Romans 5:8,9).
"Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, by his blood, to shew his righteousness, because of the passing over of the sins one aforetime, in the forbearance of God; for the shewing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus" (Romans 3:24-26).
We shall have reason at a later stage in our study to look closely at the real nature of the fall and the way of recovery. At this point we will just remind ourselves that when sin came in it found expression in an act of disobedience to God (Romans 5:19). Now we must remember that whenever this occurs the thing that immediately follows is guilt.
Sin enters as disobedience, to create first of all a separation between God and man whereby man is put away from God. God can no longer have fellowship with him, for there is something now which hinders, and it is that which is known throughout Scripture as `sin'. Thus it is first of all God who says, "They are all under sin" (Romans 3:9). Then, secondly, that sin in man, which henceforth constitutes a barrier to his fellowship with God, gives rise in him to a sense of guilt -- of estrangement from God. Here it is man himself who, with the help of his awakened conscience, says, "I have sinned" (Luke 15:18). Nor is this all, for sin also provides Satan with his ground of accusation before God, while our sense of guilt gives him his ground of accusation in our hearts; so that, thirdly, it is `the accuser of the brethren' (Rev. 12:10) who now says, `You have sinned'.
To redeem us, therefore, and to bring us back to the purpose of God, the Lord Jesus had to do something about these three questions of sin and of guilt and of Satan's charge against us. Our sins had first to be dealt with, and this was effected by the precious Blood of Christ. Our guilt has to be dealt with and our guilty conscience set at rest by showing us the value of that Blood. And finally the attack of the enemy has to be met and his accusations answered. In the Scriptures the Blood of Christ is shown to operate effectually in these three ways, Godward, manward and Satanward.
There is thus an absolute need for us to appropriate these values of the Blood if we are to go on. This is a first essential. We must have a basic knowledge of the fact of the death of the Lord Jesus as our Substitute upon the Cross, and a clear apprehension of the efficacy of His Blood for our sins, for without this we cannot be said to have started upon our road. Let us look then at these three matters more closely.
The Blood Is Primarily For God
The Blood is for atonement and has to do first with our standing before God. We need forgiveness for the sins we have committed, lest we come under judgment; and they are forgiven, not because God overlooks what we have done but because He sees the Blood. The Blood is therefore not primarily for us but for God. If I want to understand the value of the Blood I must accept God's valuation of it, and if I do not know something of the value set upon the Blood by God I shall never know what its value is for me. It is only as the estimate that God puts upon the Blood of Christ is made known to me by His Holy Spirit that I come into the good of it myself and find how precious indeed the Blood is to me. But the first aspect of it is Godward. Throughout the Old and New Testaments the word `blood' is used in connection with the idea of atonement, I think over a hundred times, and throughout it is something for God.
In the Old Testament calendar there is one day that has a great bearing on the matter of our sins and that day is the Day of Atonement. Nothing explains this question of sins so clearly as the description of that day. In Leviticus 16 we find that on the Day of Atonement the blood was taken from the sin offering and brought into the Most Holy Place and there sprinkled before the Lord seven times. We must be very clear about this. On that day the sin offering was offered publicly in the court of the tabernacle. Everything was there in full view and could be seen by all. But the Lord commanded that no man should enter the tabernacle itself except the high priest. It was he alone who took the blood and, going into the Most Holy Place, sprinkled it there to make atonement before the Lord. Why? Because the high priest was a type of the Lord Jesus in His redemptive work (Hebrews 9:12,12), and so, in figure, he was the one who did the work. None but he could even draw near to enter in. Moreover, connected with his going in there was but one act, namely, the presenting of the blood to God as something He had accepted, something in which He could find satisfaction. It was a transaction between the high priest and God in the Sanctuary, away from the eyes of the men who were to benefit by it. The Lord required that. The Blood is therefore in the first place for Him.
Earlier even than this there is described in Exodus 12:13 the shedding of the blood of the passover lamb in Egypt for Israel's redemption. This is again, I think, one of the best types in the Old Testament of our redemption. The blood was put on the lintel and on the door-posts, whereas the meat, the flesh of the lamb, was eaten inside the house; and God said: "When I see the blood, I will pass over you". Here we have another illustration of the fact that the blood was not meant to be presented to man but to God, for the blood was put on the lintel and on the door-posts, where those feasting inside the house would not see it.
God Is Satisfied
It is God's holiness, God's righteousness, which demands that a sinless life should be given for man. There is life in the Blood, and that Blood has to be poured out for me, for my sins. God is the One who requires it to be so. God is the One who demands that the Blood be presented, in order to satisfy His own righteousness, and it is He who says: `When I see the blood', I will pass over you.' The Blood of Christ wholly satisfies God.
Now I desire to say a word at this point to my younger brethren in the Lord, for it is here that we often get into difficulties. As unbelievers we may have been wholly untroubled by our conscience until the Word of God began to arouse us. Our conscience was dead, and those with dead consciences are certainly of no use to God. But later, when we believed, our awakened conscience may have become acutely sensitive, and this can constitute a real problem to us. The sense of sin and guilt can become so great, so terrible, as almost to cripple us by causing us to lose sight of the true effectiveness of the Blood. It seems to us that our sins are so real, and some particular sin may trouble us so many times, that we come to the point where to us our sins loom larger than the Blood of Christ.
Now the whole trouble with us is that we are trying to sense it; we are trying to feel its value and to estimate subjectively what the Blood is for us. We cannot do it; it does not work that way. The Blood is first for God to see. We then have to accept God's valuation of it. In doing so we shall find our valuation. If instead we try to come to a valuation by way of our feelings we get nothing; we remain in darkness. No, it is a matter of faith in God's Word. We have to believe that the Blood is precious to God because He says it is so (1 Peter 1:18,19). If God can accept the Blood as a payment for our sins and as the price of our redemption, then we can rest assured that the debt has been paid. If God is satisfied with the Blood, then the Blood must be acceptable. Our valuation of it is only according to His valuation -- neither more nor less. It cannot, of course, be more, but it must not be less. Let us remember that He is holy and He is righteous, and that a holy and righteous God has the right to say that the Blood is acceptable in His eyes and has fully satisfied Him.
The Blood And The Believer's Access
The Blood has satisfied God; it must satisfy us also. It has therefore a second value that is manward in the cleansing of our conscience. When we come to the Epistle to the Hebrews we find that the Blood does this. We are to have "hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience" (Hebrews 10:22).
This is most important. Look carefully at what it says. The writer does not tell us that the Blood of the Lord Jesus cleanses our hearts, an then stop there in his statement. We are wrong to connect the heart with the Blood in quite that way. It may show a misunderstanding of the sphere in which the Blood operates to pray, `Lord, cleanse my heart from sin by Thy Blood'. The heart, God says, is "desperately sick" (Jeremiah 17:9), and He must do something more fundamental than cleanse it: He must give us a new one.
We do not wash and iron clothing that we are going to throw away. As we shall shortly see, the `flesh' is too bad to be cleansed; it must be crucified. The work of God within us must be something wholly new. "A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you" (Ezekiel 36:26).
No, I do not find it stated that the Blood cleanses our hearts. Its work is not subjective in that way, but wholly objective, before God. True, the cleansing work of the Blood is seen here in Hebrew 10 to have reference to the heart, but it is in relation to the conscience. "Having our hearts sprinkled from a evil conscience". What then is the meaning of this?
It means that there was something intervening between myself and God, as a result of which I had an evil conscience whenever I sought to approach Him. It was constantly reminding me of the barrier that stood between myself and Him. But now, through the operation of the precious Blood, something new has been effected before God which has removed that barrier, and God has made that fact known to me in His Word. When that has been believed in and accepted, my conscience is at once cleared and my sense of guilt removed, and I have no more an evil conscience toward God.
Every one of us knows what a precious thing it is to have a conscience void of offense in our dealings with God. A heart of faith and a conscience clear of any and every accusation are both equally essential to us, since they are interdependent. As soon as we find our conscience is uneasy our faith leaks away and immediately we find we cannot face God. In order therefore to keep going on with God we must know the up-to-date value of the Blood. God keeps short accounts, and we are made nigh by the Blood every day, every hour and every minute. It never loses its efficacy as our ground of access if we will but lay hold upon it. When we enter the most Holy Place, on what ground dare we enter but by the Blood?
But I want to ask myself, am I really seeking the way into the Presence of God by the Blood or by something else? What do I mean when I say, `by the Blood'? I mean simply that I recognize my sins, that I confess that I have need of cleansing and of atonement, and that I come to God on the basis of the finished work of the Lord Jesus. I approach God through His merit alone, and never on the basis of my attainment; never, for example, on the ground that I have been extra kind or patient today, or that I have done something for the Lord this morning. I have to come by way of the Blood every time. The temptation to so many of us when we try to approach God is to think that because God has been dealing with us -- because He has been taking steps to bring us into something more of Himself and has been teaching us deeper lessons of the Cross -- He has thereby set before us new standards, and that only by attaining to these can we have a clear conscience before Him. No! A clear conscience is never based upon our attainment; it can only be based on the work of the Lord Jesus in the shedding of His Blood.
I may be mistaken, but I feel very strongly that some of us are thinking in terms such as these: `Today I have been a little more careful; today I have been doing a little better; this morning I have been reading the Word of God in a warmer way, so today I can pray better!' Or again, `Today I have had a little difficulty with the family; I began the day feeling very gloomy and moody; I am not feeling too bright now; it seems that there must be something wrong; therefore I cannot approach God.'
What, after all, is your basis of approach to God? Do you come to Him on the uncertain ground of your feeling, the feeling that you may have achieved something for God today? Or is your approach based on something far more secure, namely, the fact that the Blood has been shed, and that God looks on that Blood and is satisfied? Of course, were it conceivably possible for the Blood to suffer any change, the basis of your approach to God might be less trustworthy. But the Blood has never changed and never will. Your approach to God is therefore always in boldness; and that boldness is yours through the Blood and never through your personal attainment. Whatever be your measure of attainment today or yesterday or the day before, as soon as you make a conscious move into the Most Holy Place, immediately you have to take your stand upon the safe and only ground of the shed Blood. Whether you have had a good day or a bad day, whether you have consciously sinned or not, your basis of approach is always the same -- the Blood of Christ. That is the ground upon which you may enter, and there is no other.
As with many other stages of our Christian experience, this matter of access to God has two phases, an initial and a progressive one. The former is presented to us in Ephesians 2 and the latter in Hebrews 10. Initially, our standing with God was secured by the Blood, for we are "made nigh in the blood of Christ" (Eph. 2:13). But thereafter our ground of continual access is still by the Blood, for the apostle exhorts us: "Having therefore...boldness to enter into the holy place by the blood of Jesus...let us draw near" (Heb. 10:19,22). To begin with I was made nigh by the Blood, and to continue in that new relationship I come through the Blood every time. It is not that I was saved on one basis and that I now maintain my fellowship on another. You say, `That is very simple; it is the A.B.C. of the Gospel.' Yes, but the trouble with many of us is that we have moved away from the A.B.C. We have thought we had progressed and so could dispense with it, but we can never do so. No, my initial approach to God is by the Blood, and every time I come before Him it is the same. Right to the end it will always and only be on the ground of the Blood.
This does not mean at all that we should live a careless life, for we shall shortly study another aspect of the death of Christ which shows us that anything but that is contemplated. But for the present let us be satisfied with the Blood, that it is there and that it is enough.
We may be weak, but looking at our weakness will never make us strong. No trying to feel bad and doing penance will help us to be even a little holier. There is no help there, so let us be bold in our approach because of the Blood: `Lord, I do not know fully what the value of the Blood is, but I know that the Blood has satisfied Thee; so the Blood is enough for me, and it is my only plea. I see now that whether I have really progressed, whether I have really attained to something or not, is not the point. Whenever I come before Thee, it is always on the ground of the precious Blood. Then our conscience is really clear before God. No conscience could ever be clear apart from the Blood. It is the Blood that gives us boldness.
"No more conscience of sins": these are tremendous words of Hebrews 10:2. We are cleansed from every sin; and we may truly echo the words of Paul: "Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin" (Romans 4:8).
Overcoming The Accuser
In view of what we have said we can now turn to face the enemy, for there is a further aspect of the Blood which is Satanward. Satan's most strategic activity in this day is as the accuser of the brethren (Rev. 12:10) and it is as this that our Lord confronts him with His special ministry as High Priest "through his own blood" (Hebrews 9:12).
How then does the Blood operate against Satan? It does so by putting God on the side of man against him. The Fall brought something into man which gave Satan a footing within him, with the result that God was compelled to withdraw Himself. Man is now outside the garden -- beyond reach of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) -- because he is inwardly estranged from God. Because of what man has done, there is something in him which, until it is removed, renders God morally unable to defend him. But the Blood removes that barrier and restores man to God and God to man. Man is in favour now, and because God is on his side he can face Satan without fear.
You remember that verse in John's first Epistle -- and this is the translation of it I like best: "The blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from every sin"[1] It is not exactly "all sin" in the general sense, but every sin, every item. What does it mean? Oh, it is a marvelous thing! God is the light, and as we walk in the light with Him everything is exposed and open to that light, so that God can see it all -- and yet the Blood is able to cleanse from every sin. What a cleansing! It is not that I have not a profound knowledge of myself, nor that God has not a perfect knowledge of me. It is not hat I try to hide something nor that God tries to overlook something. No, it is that He is in the light and I too am in the light, and that there the precious Blood cleanses me from every sin. The Blood is enough for that!
Some of us, oppressed by our own weakness, may at times have been tempted to think that there are sins which are almost unforgivable. Let us remember the word: "The blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from every sin." Big sins, small sins, sins which may be very black and sins which appear to be not so black, sins which I think can be forgiven and sins which seem unforgivable, yes, all sins, conscious or unconscious, remembered or forgotten, are included in those words: "every sin". "The blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from every sin", and it does so because in the first place it satisfies God.
Since God, seeing all our sins in the light, can forgive them on the basis of the Blood, what ground of accusation has Satan? Satan may accuse us before Him, but, "If God is for us, who is against us?" (Romans 8:31). God points him to the Blood of His dear Son. It is the sufficient answer against which Satan has no appeal. "Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that shall condemn? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us" (Romans 8:33,34).
So here again our need is to recognize the absolute sufficiency of the precious Blood. "Christ having come a high priest...through his own blood, entered in once for all into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption" (Hebrews 9:11,12). He was Redeemer once. He has been High Priest and Advocate for nearly two thousand years. He stands there in the presence of God, and "he is the propitiation for our sins" (1 John 2:1,2). Note the words of Hebrews 9:14: "How much more shall the blood of Christ..." They underline the sufficiency of His ministry. It is enough for God.
What then of our attitude to Satan? This is important, for he accuses us not only before God but in our own conscience also. `You have sinned, and you keep on sinning. You are weak, and God can have nothing more to do with you.' This is his argument. And our temptation is to look within and in self-defense to try to find in ourselves, in our feelings or our behavior, some ground for believing that Satan is wrong. Alternatively we are tempted to admit our helplessness and, going to the other extreme, to yield to depression and despair. Thus accusation becomes one of the greatest and most effective of Satan's weapons. He points to our sins and seeks to charge us with them before God, and if we accept his accusations we go down immediately.
Now the reason why we so readily accept his accusations is that we are still hoping to have some righteousness of our own.. The ground of our expectation is wrong. Satan has succeeded in making us look in the wrong direction. Thereby he wins his point, rendering us ineffective. But if we have learned to put no confidence in the flesh, we shall not wonder if we sin, for the very nature of the flesh is to sin. Do you understand what I mean? It is because we have not come to appreciate our true nature and to see how helpless we are that we still have some expectation in ourselves, with the result that, when Satan comes along and accuses us, we go down under it.
God is well able to deal with our sins; but He cannot deal with a man under accusation, because such a man is not trusting in the Blood. The Blood speaks in his favour, but his is listening instead to Satan. Christ is our Advocate but we, the accused, side with the accuser. We have not recognized that we are unworthy of anything but death; that, as we shall shortly see, we are only fit to be crucified anyway. We have not recognized that it is God alone that can answer the accuser, and that in the precious Blood He has already done so.
Our salvation lies in looking away to the Lord Jesus and in seeing that the Blood of the Lamb has met the whole situation created by our sins and has answered it. That is the sure foundation on which we stand. Never should we try to answer Satan with our good conduct but always with the Blood. Yes, we are sinful, but, praise God! the Blood cleanses us from every sin. God looks upon the Blood whereby His Son has met the charge, and Satan has no more ground of attack. Our faith in the precious Blood and our refusal to be moved from that position can alone silence his charges and put him to flight (Romans 8:33,34); and so it will be, right on to the end (Revelation 12:11). Oh, what an emancipation it would be if we saw more of the value of God's eyes of the precious Blood of His dear Son!
Bless you,
Aaron
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Caitlyn, I would say that you are probably protected at this point by the many prayers that have been offered up for you, and you seem sincere in the need for forgiveness for any wrong doing.
However, don't ever, ever even be in the same house with your cousin whenever your she channels these spirits. She may be calling up spirits to enter the household, which means the house itself or anyone standing nearby, and not just speaking through the board.
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No, but the thing is... My friend WONT burn it and its at her house... Will it still be a danger to me if its not at my house? Answers please!
~~~I've been praying
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Very good advice given on this thread. A Ouji board is definitely not a good thing to keep in your home.
At least 20 years ago, someone gave us a Ouji board as a gift. Even though we both knew better, my sister and I experimented with it one day, and within a matter of minutes, received a very detailed prediction about an event that was supposed to occur the following week. It said we would meet a certain man; it even spelled out the first and last initials of his name, told us a few personal things about his looks, background, family, schooling, and a particular problem he had in the past.
A week later this predicted event came true! We met a man who perfectly fit this description. The fact the board was able to do this really freaked us out. We found out from a friend that burning both the board and planchette is the only way to deactivate them both. But no matter how many times we tried to set the board on fire, it just wouldn't burn! After several attempts, it finally did catch fire, and we threw the ashes out in the garbage. We did this in the dirt in the backyard, but it's probably safer to burn it in a metal container like a trashcan. Of course, my sister and I rebuked the Ouji board and have never done it since.
Hope all goes well with you. Good luck, and God bless.
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To Caitlyn,
Caretaker has told you how to ask Jesus into your life.
You just need to pray to God, and tell Him your heart about this and ask for Jesus to come into your life and be your God and Savior.
The pleading the "blood" of Jesus means you are affirming your belief that it's Jesus' sacrifice on the cross that saves you and that it's what terrifies the demons, as they know they have no power against anyone covered by the Blood of Jesus.
Read the Bible, you could start with Psalms 91 and Psalms 23, in the Old Testament, then read John and Romans , which are found in the New Testament.
Pray to God before you read and ask Him to help you understand His words.
You will be starting on a New Life, that is more exciting than one could imagine by walking and talking with Jesus.
Don't be overly fearful of demons. Jesus tells us; Do not be afraid, for they are already defeated. Jesus has already overcome them, and they KNOW it.
If the board belongs to you, then get your parents to help you burn it, or break it, and throw it in the garbage where it belongs.
God Bless!
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Caitlyn, ouija boards are extremely dangerous. Psychics and mediums don't even use them because of the very demonic demons that can be called up. That wasn't your grandmother you were talking to you - it was an evil spirit in the guise of your grandmother.
There are many sites that tell about the dangers of ouija boards, and testimonies to back them up.
It is very advisable to burn the ouija board, preferably in a large metal container for safety's sake. There have been unusual stories of the flames being odd in colour. Some reports that a ouija board not properly disposed of can come back to haunt you. Sometimes they take a long time to burn. Other suggestions say to bury it. I don't know which would be preferable, but just get rid of it.
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"The act of touching the planchette of the Ouiji Board is a possible invitation to spirit possession. The more a involved a person becomes by spending time and effort in communicating the spirit the more chance of possession. If a person is spiritually sensitive, they can be affected by a spirit influence by being in the same room while an Ouija Board is being worked."
This is a story from a woman whose husband was a paramedic -
"One night, they got a call for an unresponsive female. Turns out it was a sleep over of teenage girls all around 15. They were using a Ouija board. One of the girls went totally catatonic/unconscious. Nothing the paramedics did would get a reaction from her. Not even rubbing her sternum hard or starting an IV with a large needle. But they found nothing wrong with her except she was out big time.
They took her to an ER where this continued. All the tests were negative for any problems.
24 hours later she came out of it and didn't remember even using the board.
Anyway, when the medics were at the house, the mother gave them the board as she didn't want it in the house. So, they took it back with them.
They told my hubby and everyone else what had happened. No one wanted the board or to even touch it. They wound up burning it outside in a metal trash can."
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Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
We must admit that we are a sinner:
Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Be willing to turn from sin (repent):
Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Believe that Jesus Christ died for you, was buried and rose from the dead Romans 10:9-10
Through prayer invite Jesus into your life to become your personal savior:
Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Pray this prayer if you want to receive Christ:
Dear God, I am a sinner and need forgiveness. I repent of all occult involvement, and turn to Jesus Christ. I believe that Jesus Christ shed his precious blood and died for my sin. I am willing to turn from sin. I now invite the Lord Jesus Christ to come into my heart and life as my personal savior. Amen.
1) read your Bible every day to get to know Jesus Christ better, and the book of John is a great place to start.
2)Talk to God every day in prayer every day He is as close as your very next breath.
3)Be baptized, worship, fellowship and serve with other Christians in a church where Christ is preached and the Bible is the final authority.
4)Tell others about Jesus Christ.
Dear Caitlyn there are many of our Brothers and Sisters in Christ who are praying for you, on several different buliten boards, and who love you with the love of Christ, just as each Believer here does, and are praying that God would surround you with His awesome love and lead you to the joy of His salvation in Christ Jesus our Lord.
My eldest grandaughter is 16, and I have 6 grandchildren. It has been my ultimate joy to see my three children and 2 of my six grandbabies come to Christ. To see nine year old Bethany with her little blond head just out of the water of the baptismal brought ters to these old eyes.
When we receive Christ all of our sins, every bad thing we have ever done is instantly forgiven and is as if it had never happened. All our sins are washed in the Blood of the Lamb/Jesus, who sacrificed Himself so we could all be forgiven in the eyes of God, if we come to Him.
1 Peter 1:
18: Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19: But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
When we come to Christ His Holy Spirit dwells in our hearts, and He that is within me is greater than he that is within the world, and God hath not given us the spirit of fear but of power, and of love, and a sound mind.
Do you know a Christian who might be able to give you advice as to local churches? Maybe a teacher you respect? Maybe there are some Christian kids at school? It would be so good for you to talk one-on-one with a youth pastor, a pastor, or a mature Christian who you personally know and can trust.
The important thing is just stay away and don't get involved any more with things like the ouija board, and consider Jesus, who knew you Caitlyn before you were ever born, and who loves you with a love which we humans can only begin to imagine.
Father God surround this precious child with Your awesome love, draw her near, and place Your mighty angels all about her. Minister to her needs Father, and lead her to those Brothers and Sisters in her area who can share Your Word and eternal truth with this precious one. Bless and care for this precious child Father, in the glorious name of Our Lord Jesus Christ we pray. Amen.
God bless you.
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Thank you so much. You helped me out so much. I was wondering...
I have a question though... What does "Pleading the Blood of Jesus Mean?" and how do you "Get saved?"
Also, do I NEED to burn that board?? I can probably do it if I try but my friend will probably get mad at me. I will do ANYTHING in my power to fix this and be good to God. Let me know.
Please answer back soon..
~Caitlyn~
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So if I pray all the time, go to Church, and claim the blood of Jesus(How do you do that?)Will everything be okay? Will He forgive me? I know it was a sin now. My friend has the board and she won't burn it.. What can I do? Does she NEED to burn it. I'm worried for my cousin's safety because she was controlling the board.. What can I do about that. I'm also worried about my friends safety because she thinks the board is fun and she wont listen to me when I say not to do it.. Please help me! You guys are helping me so much please keep it up. I know I have sinned and I am willing to do anything in my power to make this better.
You need to ask God to forgive you in Jesus name, and He will. You admit you see this as wrong. If you are not born again, then first you need to admit you need a Savior, and that you believe that Jesus died for you and your sins personally, as if you were the only one He died for.
Ask God to come into your life and be your Savior and Lord, in Jesus' name.
God most certainly will forgive you, as He promised to in 1 John 1:9 " when we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins."
Ask Jesus to help you in your daily life and rebuke these occultic practices in your heart, and pray for your friends to understand and be able to see that it is harmful.
You've told your friend, just keeping refusing to be part of it, but still be her friend.
To plead the blood, one must be saved first. You claim the blood of Jesus is enough to rebuke any Satanic invasion or thought or influence. You turn away from it, and turn toward Jesus.
Jesus takes care of the demons. Once you agree with Jesus He can protect you in this area and all areas.
In the New Testament, Jesus cast out demons and set people free. He is the overcoming power.
Just keep praying for your friend.
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So if I pray all the time, go to Church, and claim the blood of Jesus(How do you do that?)Will everything be okay? Will He forgive me? I know it was a sin now. My friend has the board and she won't burn it.. What can I do? Does she NEED to burn it. I'm worried for my cousin's safety because she was controlling the board.. What can I do about that. I'm also worried about my friends safety because she thinks the board is fun and she wont listen to me when I say not to do it.. Please help me! You guys are helping me so much please keep it up. I know I have sinned and I am willing to do anything in my power to make this better.
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I agree fully with you, Caretaker. I've never used this device, or anything like it, but there are other methods of divination that can be just as dangerous spiritually.
Tarot cards, crystals, even the magic 8 ball game, or any game of chance that causes one to look to it for life's answers. Astrology is another area. I used to faithfully read my horoscope, and use it to try to find out who I was, due to my birth sign. It's all gateways to demonic activity. Mind altering Drugs and alcohol are also gateways that allow Satan control of one's life.
In our society these things are not taken seriously, as most people don't even believe in a "spirit" world. IN Eastern societies, they are much more knowledgable and believing. Trouble is, that even if some unsuspecting child plays with these toys, their belief doesn't matter, as Satan uses this as a gateway.
If ones enter's the lion's den, but disbelieves there is really a lion in there, it doesn't matter to the lion, as he is just waiting for one to enter.
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If the demons are speaking to you through the Ouija Board they are not speaking long distance to you. When you make contact they are right there in the room with you, right beside you and its not just one but it can be a thousand, as reference the demoniac who was delivered by Jesus of a legion of demons. When the board speaks, you have demons right there beside you.
You need Jesus in your life, for without Jesus there is NO pathway to God.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
We must admit that we are a sinner:
Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Be willing to turn from sin (repent):
Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Believe that Jesus Christ died for you, was buried and rose from the dead Romans 10:9-10
Through prayer invite Jesus into your life to become your personal savior:
Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Pray this prayer if you want to receive Christ:
Dear God, I am a sinner and need forgiveness. I repent of all occult involvement, and turn to Jesus Christ. I believe that Jesus Christ shed his precious blood and died for my sin. I am willing to turn from sin. I now invite the Lord Jesus Christ to come into my heart and life as my personal savior. Amen.
1) read your Bible every day to get to know Jesus Christ better, and the book of John is a great place to start.
2)Talk to God every day in prayer every day He is as close as your very next breath.
3)Be baptized, worship, fellowship and serve with other Christians in a church where Christ is preached and the Bible is the final authority.
4)Tell others about Jesus Christ.
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A Servant of Christ,
Drew
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16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..
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This is the testimony of one who began using a Ouija Board and was eventually freed from demons through Jesus Christ:
http://www.carm.org/testimonies/connie_williams.htm
I was eighteen years old. The summer was long and boring. One day I decided to purchase a Ouija Board. My friend and I attempted to work the board for about three days. Finally the wedge began to move from letter to letter. There were no clear messages for several days. My friend grew tired and fearful of the board. She decided not to play the game anymore. She would not touch the board again.
The garbled messages only peaked my curiosity. I attempted to move the play the game alone. The first day or two the wedge did not move. Finally, the wedge seemed to come alive moving from letter to letter. The messages were finally clear. The board told me that a spirit came to me through the board. The spirit said it was to be a friend who was to protect me from the dangers in life. It would guide me to a better life because it knew the future.
I spent all my free time with the board. The spirit told me that it loved me and I should let it direct the activities of my life so that my future would be secure and happy. We discussed life and love through the board. It kept promising happiness and security if I would listen and do what it said............
I learned how to fight a spiritual battle. I memorized and meditated on scriptures concerning the victory of Jesus over Satan. I claimed the blood of Christ every time the spirit attacked -- it was so automatic that I claimed the blood of Jesus in my dreams. One night while sleeping, I woke with a sharp jerk to the muscles of my body. I knew the spirit was gone. My mind was clear and at peace. That was over 25 years ago. The spirit never returned.
I finished college and graduated with the BA Degree in Sociology and minor in Psychology. I thank Jesus every day for saving my life.
I am the author of the "Ouija Board Pages" which were written to warn you not to channel the spirits. My email is curiositypages@aol.com. If you have any questions or comments for me.
Connie Williams
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This is not your Grandmother you are speaking with. The Word declares that Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light to deceive. If you are receiving communications through the board you need to stop immediately, destroy the board, and come to the Lord Jesus Christ, for you are in great danger. This is not a game but a communication device with pure evil, a deceiver seeking the destruction of the user.
This is an abomination before God, and His Word speaks strongly against this practice, and those who practice this:
"When you come into the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire [an ancient occult practice], or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination [detestable] to the LORD..."
-Deuteronomy 18:9-12a
Acts 19:
17 And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.
18 And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds.
19 Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.
20 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.
Yes, the Bible takes a clear position on this subject, strongly denouncing these practices. God created us and therefore owns us. He has a right to set the rules for our lives. Gods Word indicates that these practices are part of Satan's strategy of evil tricks and deception, designed to lead us astray. Satan and his demons are real beings set on our destruction. Christians are warned to "put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places" (Ephesians 6:11-12).
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I just got done talking on a Ouija board with my cousin. Our grandma talk to us on it.. Do you think it was a demon? The thing talking to us through it knew everything about her sons, and was being really nice. It didnt seem like a demon at all. Am I in danger? Or was it real? I just don't know. Please reply.
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The following practices are considered to be occultic:
(partial list, in alphabetical order)
Alchemy
Animism
Astrology
Automatic speaking (through spirits)
Automatic writing (spirit-guided)
Cabalistic knowledge
Calling up the dead
Candomble
Celtics (the religion, not the Celtic "race")
Channeling
Chaos Magic
Chiromancy
Clairaudience
Clairvoyance
Crystalmancy
Demon worship and consultation
Discordianism
Divination
Eckankar
Enchantments
Fetishism
Fortune telling
Freemasonry
Glass looking
Gnostic wisdom
Hermetic Traditions
Horoscopes
Hydromancy
I Ching
Illuminated organizations
Illuminati
Incantations
Kabbalah
Knights Templar
La Regla Lucumi
Lukumi
Lycanthropy
Macumba
Magic, magick (magical arts)
Mediums
Mirror gazing
Necromancy
Neo-paganism
Omens
Oracles
Ordo Templi Orientis
Ouija boards
Paganism
Palmistry
Prognostication
Psychometry
Qabalah
Quimbanda
Radiestesia
Rosicrucianism
Runes
Santeria
Satanism
Scrying
Secret societies
Sevi Lwa
Shamanism
Soothsaying
Sorcery
Spells (casting, conjuring)
Spirit-guides
Spiritists
Spiritualism
Tarot cards
Tea cup reading
Thelemite
Umbanda
Vedic astrology
Vodun (Voodoo)
White witchcraft
Wicca
Witchcraft
Wizardy
Main Entry: 3occult
Pronunciation: same as 2
Function: noun
: matters regarded as involving the action or influence of supernatural or supernormal powers or some secret knowledge of them -- used with the
"When you come into the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire [an ancient occult practice], or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination [detestable] to the LORD..."
-Deuteronomy 18:9-12a
Main Entry: div·i·na·tion
Pronunciation: "di-v&-'nA-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English divinacioun, from Latin divination-, divinatio, from divinare
1 : the art or practice that seeks to foresee or foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge usually by the interpretation of omens or by the aid of supernatural powers
2 : unusual insight : intuitive perception
- di·vi·na·to·ry /d&-'vi-n&-"tOr-E, d&-'vI-n&-, 'di-v&-n&-, -"tor-/ adjective
Yes, Ouija boards can actually work sometimes, that is, they can be used to contact demons, or demons to contact you. Ouija boards DO NOT contact dead loved ones. Any such "spirit" that would identify itself as a dead loved one is actually a demon. Neither does one speak to other than fallen angels through the ouija board.
Ouija boards can also have an appearance of working but in actually the phenomena is psychogenically produced.
But be warned, Ouija Boards and other such devices do have the possibility of getting you into contact with demons.
As to whether demons exist. Jesus thought they existed, and in fact Jesus talks more about hell than he does about heaven. The Bible has HUNDREDS of references to the existence of demons.
In addition, and what is quite interesting, is that even atheistic psychiatrists have been known to contact a deliverance counselor or the Church because a client shows symptoms that cannot be explained in any other way other than demonization.
Church approved exorcisms have been well documented.
It is utter delusion and is contrary to all that is taught in the Faith, and contrary to truck loads of phenomenological evidence to suggest that demons do not exist.
One thing is for sure: "Even if we don't believe in the devils, the devils surely do believe in us".
C.S Lewis once said:
"There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about demons. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe and to feel an excessive and unhealthy interest in them."
I recommend that you avoid all contact with Ouija Boards and any and all other occult devices for your own safety.
I also recommend that you talk to God about whether demons exist or not. God believes in demons. He will instruct you.
More importantly is seeking a right relationship with God. God wants all His children to come to Him and He has established the doorway into His presence, for all who will to enter in. The "Door" is Jesus, and He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life for all mankind to be cleansed from sin and to come into a personal relationship with God.
John 3:
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
We will be in prayer for you.
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Drew
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I have a couple questions about interacting with spirits and I'm hoping someone here can help me. Are Ouija Boards a sin and can angels talk to you through them or is it all evil spirits? Could you guys give me all the information you've got on this topic.. Thanks it would help alot.. Also, I'm wondering if it's all just in your mind or if it actually works.. Thanks so much for your help!
~Caitlyn~
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