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I'm sorry for offending you Green Candle.
It was FAR from my intent. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.
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Zeena and Billy. I suggest you start studying how Colors have been used in the Bible if you expect to understand why and how I feel about them and where I am coming from when I speak about them.
It might also help you both understand what I meant before about the Color Green.
I'll study it as God wills, thank you! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Romans 8:1 ASV
There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.
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Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Matthew 7:1
I'm not judging you precious Saint, I am judging the attitude you've displayed here in judging others.
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I feel very sorry for you Zeena. You obviously believe that we have no obligation to do good works and to expose Evil where it is found.
Then why, praytell, would I even take the time to rebuke your actions? You are a brother in Christ, dearly beloved for Jesus sake!
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I on the other hand believe differently.
This entire thread is composed of the very thing you accuse me of.
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You have no right to "rebuke" me. You are not a priest.
Revelation 1:6
And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
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You are not above me in any way shape or form.
No I am not.
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I am not a demon.
No you are not.
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I am your brother.
Yes you are! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Start treating me like it.
Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
I would not have stuck my neck out unless I loved you.
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Instead of "rebuking me" why don't you start concentrating on Loving me the way YOU LOVE YOURSELF.
You're right.
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You should be very shamed of yourself Zeena. I would be if I was you.
I am not, and neither is our Father.
I spoke out of love for your soul, seeing as you are tortured by thoughts and emotions of hatred for persons.
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I choose to shine the light on Evil wherever I see it. And I believe the actions of our current government and president to be very evil. And therefore I will do what feels right in my heart. Regardless of how much you judge me for it.
You are free to do so.
My post was only a warning.
And by the way;
I believe the probability of EVERY SINGLE WORD you posted is true, for I know the heart of man is decietfully wicked above all things. who could know it.
BUT, getting involved in this worlds system leave little to no room to be in fellowship with God, imo. BECAUSE our thoughts are then being directed to this worlds system, which is far from Christ. Our emotions become entangled in the cares of this life and CHOKE the Word!!!
2 Timothy 2:4
No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
Mark 4:19
And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
In getting involved in the affairs of this world, where is there ANY room left to keep vigil?
Matthew 24:20-21
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
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Zeena and Billy. I suggest you start studying how Colors have been used in the Bible if you expect to understand why and how I feel about them and where I am coming from when I speak about them.
It might also help you both understand what I meant before about the Color Green.
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Amber
Chashmal
(khash-mal')
The color amber is only found in the KJV book of Ezekiel. Its use demonstrates God's overbearingly bright and immediate presence.
Direct Meaning:
God's glory and the brightness of His presence. - Ezekiel 1:4; 1:27-28; 8:2 (KJV)
Color Symbolism:
Christ as the glory of God - Ezekiel 1:28, II Corinthians 4:6, Revelation 21:23
Associated Symbols:
fire - God's presence (Hebrews 12:29, Exodus 3:2), God's judgment (Genesis 19:24, II Kings 1:10-14, Isaiah 66:15, II Thessalonians 1:7-8)
Black
Chashak
(shaw-khar')
Kamar
(kaw-mar')
Kimriyr
(kim-reer')
Qadar
(kaw-dar')
Shachar
(shaw-khar')
Shachor
(shaw-khore')
Melas
(mel'-as)
Black is primarily associated with the negative aspects of human experience - including death, disease, famine, and sorrow - all of which are the results of sin. The exception is the implication of health when describing hair.
Direct Meaning:
sin - Job 6:15-16
disease - Job 30:30
famine - Lamentations 4:8; 5:10, Revelation 6:5-6
death - Jude 1:12-13
sorrow - Jeremiah 8:21 (KJV)
Opposite Meaning:
health - Leviticus 13:37, Song of Solomon 1:5-6; 5:11
Color Symbolism:
judgment - Jeremiah 14:2, Leviticus 13:37, Job 3:5
Associated Symbols:
sackcloth - mourning (Genesis 37:34, Isaiah 50:3, Revelation 6:12)
Blue
T@keleth
(tek-ay'-leth)
The color blue is used quite extensively in the Old Testament to describe the various hangings in the holy places. It is also used as a symbol of wealth and the corruptions thereof, but it should be noted that purple is used far more frequently for such distinctions. In general blue should be viewed as a heavenly color. Below is only a representation of the color's use in scripture, it occurs far more frequently than demonstrated here.
Direct Meaning:
describing hangings, curtains, coverings (along with purple and scarlet / crimson) - Exodus 26:1;36; 27:16; 28:8, II Chronicles 3:14; etc.
holy covering - Exodus 28:31, Numbers 4:5-7;11-12, Esther 8:15
the Lord's commandments - Numbers 15:38-40
Opposite Meaning:
corruption through vanity, whoredoms and idolotry - Jeremiah 10:8-9, Ezekiel 23:3-8
Color Symbolism:
heavenly - Exodus 24:10, Ezekiel 1:26; 10:1 (sapphire)
holy service - Exodus 28:31, Esther 8:15
chastening - Proverbs 20:30 (KJV)
Associated Symbols:
water(s) - spirit (John 4:13-14; 7:37-39, Revelation 21:6; 22:17, Matthew 3:11-16), people / multitudes (Revelation 17:15, Jeremiah 46:7-8; 47:1-3, Isaiah 8:7; 17:13)
Crimson
Karmiyl
(kar-mele')
Shaniy
(shaw-nee')
Towla'
(to-law')
Crimson is used to describe fine materials and sin. The dye was extracted from the dried body of of the insect coccus ilicis; qirmiz (or kermes) as transliterated in Arabic. (Also see scarlet)
Direct Meaning:
fine materials (along with purple and blue) - 2 Chronicles 2:7;14; 3:14, Jeremiah 4:30
sin - Isaiah 1:18
Associated Symbols:
blood - life (Genesis 9:4-5, Deuteronomy 12:23), sacrifice (Exodus12:13; 23:18)
, remission of sin (Hebrews 9:22, I John 1:7, Revelation 1:5), covenant (Exodus 24:8, Matthew 26:28, Romans 5:9, Hebrews 9:12; 13:12), war (I Kings 2:5, I Chronicles 22:8)
Gray
Seybah
(say-baw')
Siyb
(seeb)
Grey is used to denote old age (for obvious reasons). We can try to gain a bit more meaning by looking at the symbolism of ash even though the two are never directly associated in Scripture.
Direct Meaning:
old age - Genesis 42:38, Deuteronomy 32:25, I Samuel 12:2, Job 15:10, Psalm 71:18
beauty of old age - Proverbs 20:29
weakness - Hosea 7:9
Associated Symbols:
ash - of little worth (Genesis 18:27, Job 30:19), destruction (Exodus 9:10, Ezekiel 28:18, Malachi 4:3, II Peter 2:6)
, purification (Numbers 19:17), sorrow (II Samuel 13:19)
, mourning (Esther 4:3, Jeremiah 6:26)
, repentance (Job 42:6, Matthew 11:21), scattered (Psalm 147:16)
Green
'abiyb
(aw-beeb')
Ra'anan
(rah-an-awn')
Y@raqraq
(yer-ak-rak')
Yaraq
(yaw-rawk')
Yarowq
(yaw-rawk')
Yereq
(yeh'-rek)
Green is primarily associated with plant life. As a result we can view it as a symbol of natural growth and life. The exception is its use in Leviticus to denote disease.
Direct Meaning:
describing a meat offering - Leviticus 2:14
describing edible plants - Genesis 1:30; 9:3, II Kings 19:26, Job 39:8, Psalm 37:2
trees - Exodus 10:15, Deuteronomy 12:2, I Kings 14:23, 2 Kings 16:4; 17:10, II Chronicles 28:4, Psalm 37:35; 52:8, Isaiah 37:27, Jeremiah 2:20
Opposite Meaning:
disease - Leviticus 13:49; 14:37
Color Symbolism:
rest - Psalm 23:2
life - Isaiah 15:6, Psalm 23:2, Ezekiel 17:24, Luke 23:31
growth - Ezekiel 17:24
fruitful - Jeremiah 11:16; 17:8, Hosea 14:8, Luke 23:31
fresh / undefiled - Song of Solomon 1:16, Luke 23:31
maturity - Job 15:31-32
frailty - Psalm 37:2
Associated Symbols:
grass - man / flesh (Psalm 37:1-2; 92:7; Revelation 8:7, I Peter 1:24, Isaiah 40:6-8; 51:12), weakness (Psalm 102:4; 102:11, Revelation 8:7), growth (Psalm 72:16; 92:7, Job 5:25)
trees - coverage (Psalm 37:35), trust (Psalm 52:8), man (Matthew 3:10; 7:15-18, Mark 8:24), The Cross (Acts 5:30, I Peter 2:24)
Ivory
Shen
(shane)
Shenhabbiym
(shen-hab-beem')
Elephantinos
(el-ef-an'-tee-nos)
Ivory is never mentioned by describing the color of something but always as the material itself. Its use denotes costly ornamentation and fine craftsmanship. It symbolizes beauty when describing the body.
Direct Meaning:
a throne - I Kings 10:18, II Chronicles 9:17
cargo / merchandise - I Kings 10:22, II Chronicles 9:21, Ezekiel 27:15, Revelation 18:12
houses - I Kings 22:39, Amos 3:15
beds - Amos 6:4
body parts - Song of Solomon 5:14; 7:4
inlays - Ezekiel 27:6
Color Symbolism:
beauty - see "body parts" above
Associated Symbols:
throne - power (I Kings 1:37, II Kings 25:28), kingship (Genesis 41:40, Deuteronomy 17:18, II Samuel 7:16)
, glory (I Samuel 2:8, II Chronicles 18:18, Psalm 103:19, Jeremiah 14:21, Matthew 19:28; 25:31), judgment (Psalm 9:4;7; 122:5, Proverbs 20:8, Matthew 19:28), holiness (Psalm 47:8), grace (Hebrews 4:16)
neck - posession (Genesis 27:40; 41:42; 49:8, Deuteronomy 28:48, II Samuel 22:41, Nehemiah 3:5, Psalm 18:40, Proverbs 3:3, Isaiah 10:27, Jeremiah 27:12; 30:8, Acts 15:10), embrace (Genesis 33:4; 45:14; 46:29, Luke 15:20, Acts 20:37), strength (Song of Solomon 4:4; 7:4), beauty (Isaiah 3:16, Song of Solomon 1:10), stubbornness / rebellion (when hardened or stiff) (Deuteronomy 10:16; 31:27, II Kings 17:14, II Chronicles 36:13, Nehemiah 9:16-17, Isaiah 48:4, Jeremiah 7:26; 17:23, Acts 7:51)
belly - emotions / desires (Job 15:35; 20:20, Psalm 31:9, Proverbs 13:25; 20:27, Romans 16:18, Revelation 10:9)
beds - fornication (I Chronicles 5:1, Ezekiel 23:17, Revelation 2:22 [spiritual as well])
Purple
'argaman
(ar-gaw-mawn')
Porphura
(por-foo'-rah)
Porphuropolis
(por-foo-rop'-o-lis)
Porphurous
(por-foo-rooce')
Along with blue, scarlet, and crimson, purple is used to describe hangings and fine materials. The dye was extracted from a particularly scarce family of shellfish which made it quite valuable. Purple became a symbol of royalty and riches due to the scarcity of its dye.
Direct Meaning:
describing hangings, curtains, coverings (along with blue and scarlet / crimson) - Exodus 26:1;36; 27:16; 28:8, II Chronicles 3:14; etc.
fine materials - Numbers 4:13, Judges 8:26, Proverbs 31:22, Luke 16:19, Revelation 17:4
describing the dying trade - II Chronicles 2:7, Ezekiel 27:16, Acts 16:14, Revelation 18:12
Opposite Meaning:
royalty, but in mockery - Mark 15:17;20, John 19:2;5
Color Symbolism:
royalty - Judges 8:26
riches - Revelation 18:16, Luke 16:19
corruption of riches - Revelation 17:4
Associated Symbols:
robes - righteousness / righteous judgment (Job 29:14, Isaiah 61:10, Luke 15:22, Revelation 6:11; 7:9;14), kingship (I Kings 22:10; 30-33, I Chronicles 15:27, Isaiah 22:21, Jonah 3:6), outward show (Luke 20:46), virginity (II Samuel 13:18-19)
curtains - seperation / hidden (II Samuel 7:2, I Chronicles 17:1), the heavens (Psalm 104:2, Isaiah 40:60), habitations (Isaiah 54:2, Jeremiah 4:20; 10:20, Habakkuk 3:7)
The Hebrew equivalent is 'argaman; Greek porphura. The latter word refers to the source of the dye, namely, a shell-fish found on the shores of the Mediterranean.
Red
'adam
(aw-dam')
'adamdam
(ad-am-dawm')
'admoniy
(ad-mo-nee')
'adom
(aw-dome')
Purrhazo
(poor-hrad'-zo)
Purrhos
(poor-hros')
There is a diverse use of the color red throughout the Scriptures. Its primary associations are blood and war. Note that references to the Red Sea have been omitted.
Direct Meaning:
skin color - Genesis 25:25
stew - Genesis 25:30
wine - Proverbs 23:31
sores or plague - Leviticus 13:19;49 etc. (numerous references in Leviticus)
bloodied water - II Kings 3:22
clothing - Isaiah 63:2
shields of mighty men - Nahum 2:3
horses - Zechariah 1:8; 6:2
the sky - Matthew 16:2-3
the great dragon (Satan) - Revelation 12:3
Color Symbolism:
war - II Kings 3:22; Nahum 2:3
vengeance - Isaiah 63:2 (read whole chapter)
temptation of sin - Genesis 25:30, Proverbs 23:31
Associated Symbols:
wine - teachings, both true and false (fermented), shame (Genesis 9:21-25; 19:31-36)
winepress - God's judgment of the wicked (Revelation 14:19-20)
blood - see crimson
Scarlet
Shaniy
(shaw-nee')
Tala'
(taw-law')
Towla'
(to-law')
Kokkinos
(kok'-kee-nos)
Scarlet is used to describe fine materials and thread. It was also used in Mosaic purification rituals. Scarlet, like crimson, is used to describe sin. Scarlet can generally be used to symbolize a marker. (Also see crimson)
Direct Meaning:
a thread - Genesis 38:27-29, Joshua 2:18, Song of Solomon 4:3 (lips are like)
fine materials (along with purple and blue) - Exodus 25:4; 28:15; 36:37; etc. (many times over), Numbers 4:8, II Samuel 1:24, Proverbs 31:21
cleansing/purification - Leviticus 14:4;52, Numbers 19:6, Hebrews 9:19
sin - Isaiah 1:18
clothing of a valient man - Nahum 2:3
riches - Revelation 18:12;16
Opposite Meaning:
mocking royalty - Matthew 27:28
the beast being ridden by the harlot Babylon - Revelation 17:3
corruption of riches - Revelation 17:4
Color Symbolism:
a marker - Joshua 2:18;21, Genesis 38:28 (passover)
Associated Symbols:
virtuous woman - Proverbs 31:21
beasts - successive worldly kingdoms (Daniel 7:17;23 [Read whole chapter]), ignorant / lacking understanding (Psalm 49:20; 73:22), devouring destruction (Isaiah 56:9, Jeremiah 15:3, Daniel 7:5), brute fleshly nature (II Peter 2:12, Titus 1:11-13)
Vermilion
Shashar
(shaw-shar') Vermilion is used only to describe paint, both on a house and in a portrait. Its contextual use suggests lust and unrighteousness. The color was most likely derived from iron oxide (rust) which would support the suggested meaning.
Direct Meaning:
paint - Jeremiah 22:14 (a house), Ezekiel 23:14 (portraits)
Color Symbolism:
unrighteousness - Jeremiah 22:13-14
lust - Ezekiel 23:14 (read whole chapter)
Associated Symbols:
paint - a false covering (Matthew 23:27, Acts 23:3)
rust - corruption (Matthew 6:19, James 5:3 [KJV])
White
Buwts
(boots)
Choriy
(kho-ree')
Chuwr
(khoor)
Laban *
(law-bawn')
Tsachach
(tsaw-khakh')
Tsachor
(tsaw-khore')
Lampros
(lam-pros')
Leukaino
(lyoo-kah'-ee-no)
Leukos
(lyoo-kos')
Koniao
(kon-ee-ah'-o)
White is a color of purity and righteousness. It is also used to describe things in nature. Sometimes it is used when describing the body, primarily when healthy and beautiful but also when sick.
Direct Meaning:
animals - Genesis 30:35, Judges 5:10, Zechariah 1:8; 6:3;6, Revelation 6:2; 19:11;14
plant flesh - Genesis 30:37, Joel 1:7
baskets - Genesis 40:16
teeth - Genesis 49:12
Manna - Exodus 16:31
leprosy / plague - Leviticus 13:4;10;19;42, etc., Numbers 12:10, II Kings 5:27
linen - II Chronicles 5:12, Revelation 15:6; 19:8;14
garments / raiment - Esther 8:15, Ecclesiastes 9:8, Daniel 7:9, Matthew 17:2; 28:3, Mark 9:3; 16:5, Luke 9:29, John 20:12, Acts 1:10, Revelation 3:4-5;18; 4:4; 6:11; 7:9;13-14; 19:14
compared as snow - Psalm 51:7, Isaiah 1:18, Daniel 7:9, Mark 9:3
compared as milk - Lamentations 4:7
hair - Matthew 5:36, Revelation 1:14
painted - Matthew 23:27, Acts 23:3
fields - John 4:35
a stone - Revelation 2:17
a cloud - Revelation 14:14
a throne - Revelation 20:11
Color Symbolism:
purity / refinement / unblemished / righteousness / heavenly - Psalm 51:7, Ecclesiastes 9:8, Daniel 7:9; 11:35; 12:10, Matthew 17:2, Mark 9:3, Luke 9:29, John 20:12, Acts 1:10, Revelation 3:4-5;18; 4:4; 6:11; 7:9;13-14
victory - Revelation 6:2; 19:11;14
false righteousness (when only outward) - Matthew 23:27, Acts 23:3
Associated Symbols:
baskets - food (Genesis 40:17, Exodus 29:23, Leviticus 8:26, Numbers 6:15, Jeremiah 24:2, Amos 8:1, Matthew 14:20, Mark 8:8), escape (Exodus 2:3, Acts 9:25, II Corinthians 11:33)
, days (Genesis 40:18)
teeth - devouring destruction (Deuteronomy 32:24, Psalm 124:6, Proverbs 30:14, Isaiah 41:15, Daniel 7:7;19), terror (Job 41:14, Daniel 7:7;19)
milk - first teachings (Isaiah 28:9, I Corinthians 3:1-2, Hebrews 5:12-14, I Peter 2:2)
throne - (see ivory)
Yellow
Tsahob
(tsaw-obe')
Yellow is used to describe a leperous hair in Leviticus and in some translations the color of gold in Psalm 68. Its occurence in Scripture is too low to derive a symbolic meaning.
Direct Meaning:
leperous hair - Leviticus 13:30;32;36
describing the color of gold - Psalm 68:13 (KJV/ASV, green in RSV)
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The Green Light of Healing is essential for the Healing of the Soul and of ones Spiritual Center and Chakras.
You have heard of the White Light of protection I am sure?
The Green light is similar in the sense that it has a positive effect on emotions and well being.
The color Green itself can be said to have therapeutic properties as well. Being around Greenery (Trees, bushes, grass) often makes a person feel more at ease.
And where exactly is that in the Bible? Sorry. I'm just trying to figure out where you are coming from. The vast majority of us, on this board, see God's word as the only authority for how we view the world. The rest at the very least think they do. However, I have yet to see you quote from God's word once. This, in large part, is why you have not gotten responses from most on this board. Without scripture, you have no authority to be speaking on these matters, in their minds and mine. Do you consider yourself to be a Christian?
Billy.
In apocalyptic literature, color plays an important role in conveying symbolic meanings. For example, the colors blue, purple, and scarlet played prominent roles in the building of the wilderness tabernacle (Exodus 26:1; 27;16; 28:6). In Numbers 15:37-38, "The LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 'Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue'." The woman that John sees in the wilderness, however, sits on a scarlet beast and only wears purple and scarlet (Revelation 17:3-4) while the color blue is noticeably absent. Here purple and scarlet suggest that the woman has become affluent through evil means and not by the blessing of the Lord.
Below is a list of all the colors mentioned in the Bible with both their references and their meanings.
Amber Symbolizes the Glory of God
Black One of the more commonly used colors in the Bible; describes the color of the middle of the night (Proverbs 7:9); diseased skin (Job 30:30); healthy hair (Song of Solomon 5:11; Matthew 5:36); corpes' faces (Lamentations 4:8); the sky (Jeremiah 4:28); the darkening of the sun and the moon (Joel 2:10); horses (Zechariah 6:2; Revelation 6:5); and marble (Esther 1:6).
The color black symbolizes sin, death, and famine.
Blue Used to describe the color of a wound, but may refer to the wound itself (Proverbs 20:30). It also describes the sky, Heaven, and the Holy Spirit.
Brown A dark, blackish color referred only to sheep (Genesis 30:32-33, 35, 40).
Crimson Crimson linen was used in the temple (II Chronicles 2:7, 14, 3:14); the color must have been indelible or permanet (Jeremiah 4:30), as crimson is used figuratively as sin. (Isaiah 1:18).
Often refers to blood atonement and sacrifice.
Gold As gold is the highest, most precious metal, so the divine nature is the highest nature, the only nature having immortality (Exodus 28:36; Psalm 21:3).
Gray Used only to describe the hair of the elderly (Genesis 42:38)
Green Normally describes vegetation; used of pastures (Psalm 23:2); herbage (II Kings 19:26); trees in general (Deuteronomy 12:2; Luke 23:31; Revelation 8:7); the marriage bed (in a figurative sense, Song of Solomon 1:16); a hypocrite compared to a papyrus plant (Job 8:16); and grass (Mark 6:39). A word meaning "greenish" describes plague spots (Leviticus 13:49, 14:37) as well as the color of gold.
Most often associated with the meaning of growth.
Purple The most precious of ancient dyes made from a shellfish found in the Mediterranean Sea. A total of 250,000 mollusks was required to make one ounce of the dye, which partly accounts for its great price. It was highly valued within the nation of Israel.
Used in several features of the tabernacle (Exodus 26:1, 27:16) and the temple (II Chronicles 2:14); the color of royal robes (Judges 8:26); the garments of the wealthy (Proverbs 31:22; Luke 16:19); the vesture of a harlot (Revelation 17:4); and the robe placed on Jesus (Mark 15:17, 20).
This color symbolizes kingship and royalty.
Red Describes natural objects such as Jacob's stew (Genesis 25:30); the sacrificial heifer (Numbers 19:2); wine (Proverbs 23:31); newborn Esau (Genesis 25:25); Judah's eyes (Genesis 49:12); the eyes of the drunkard (Proverbs 23:29); and the dragon (Revelation 12:3).
The color of blood, it often symbolizes life; it also suggests bloodshed in the carnage of war.
Scarlet Scarlet cord was tied around the wrist of Zerah (Genesis 38:28-30); used a great deal in the tabernacle (Exodus 25:4); the color of cord hung from Rahab's window (Joshua 2:18); a mark of prosperity (II Samuel 1:24; Proverbs 31:21); the color of the robe placed on Jesus (Matthew 27:28); though scarlet and purple were not always distinguished (Mark 15:17); color of the beast ridden by the harlot Babylon (Revelation 17:3) along with some of her garments (Revelation 17:4) and those of her followers (Revelation 18:16).
Often refers to blood atonement and sacrifice.
Silver Used to represent the truth. (Psalm 12:6)
White The color of animals (Genesis 30:35); manna (Exodus 16:31); both hair and pustules located in plague sores (Leviticus 13:3-39); garments (Ecclesiastes 9:8, Daniel 7:9); the robes of the righteous (Revelation 19:8); horses (Zechariah 1:8; Revelation 6:2, 19:11); forgiven sins (Psalm 5:7, Isaiah 1:8); a refined remnant (Daniel 11:35, 12:10); the beloved one (Song of Solomon 5:10); the white of an egg (Job 6:6); the shining garments of angels (Revelation 15:6) and of the transfigured Christ (Matthew 17:2); hair (Matthew 5:36); gravestones (Matthew 23:27); and the great throne of judgment (Revelation 20:11).
Portrays purity, righteousness, joy, light, and a white horse symbolizes victory.
Yellow Indicates the greenish cast of gold (Psalm 68:13) and the light-colored hair in a leprous spot (Leviticus 13:30,32)
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...each and every journalist at CBS, the New York Times, Newsweek, CNN, local newspapers, and those of you talking on the radio, who refuse to expose the truth about the Controllers...
Forget about status, position and money. Just tell the truth. For in the end, what does it matter if you've gained the entire World, but lost your Soul in the process?
This is an obvious case of scripture twisting. Jesus was not talking about giving up your possessions and simply changing your ethics. He was talking about something greater. He was talking about giving up our possessions so that we might be able to better follow Him. He was talking about salvation of the soul, not exposing political tyrants.
I'd rather someone be soundly saved and living in the worst part of India, than living comfortably in an ideal political environment in America, yet headed straight for hell, because they don't know how to properly read their Bible. Come on, America, let's get our priorities straight. The Bible is not about social or political change. The Bible is about the glory of God. Let us not twist the scriptures to make them mean something that they don't.
I've rebuked Green Candle previously, in the Lord.
And he did, in fact, cease to post his concerns for quite some time.. I am hoping he was resting in the Love of God in that meantime.
This is the second rebuke Green Candle, I pray God opens your ears. ![[Prayer]](graemlins/prayer.gif)
![[Bible]](graemlins/bible.gif) Turn to God, who alone is able to save your soul!!!
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I feel very sorry for you Zeena. You obviously believe that we have no obligation to do good works and to expose Evil where it is found.
I on the other hand believe differently.
You have no right to "rebuke" me. You are not a priest. You are not above me in any way shape or form. I am not a demon. I am your brother. Start treating me like it.
Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Instead of "rebuking me" why don't you start concentrating on Loving me the way YOU LOVE YOURSELF.
You should be very shamed of yourself Zeena. I would be if I was you.
I choose to shine the light on Evil wherever I see it. And I believe the actions of our current government and president to be very evil. And therefore I will do what feels right in my heart. Regardless of how much you judge me for it.
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...each and every journalist at CBS, the New York Times, Newsweek, CNN, local newspapers, and those of you talking on the radio, who refuse to expose the truth about the Controllers...
Forget about status, position and money. Just tell the truth. For in the end, what does it matter if you've gained the entire World, but lost your Soul in the process?
This is an obvious case of scripture twisting. Jesus was not talking about giving up your possessions and simply changing your ethics. He was talking about something greater. He was talking about giving up our possessions so that we might be able to better follow Him. He was talking about salvation of the soul, not exposing political tyrants.
I'd rather someone be soundly saved and living in the worst part of India, than living comfortably in an ideal political environment in America, yet headed straight for hell, because they don't know how to properly read their Bible. Come on, America, let's get our priorities straight. The Bible is not about social or political change. The Bible is about the glory of God. Let us not twist the scriptures to make them mean something that they don't.
I've rebuked Green Candle previously, in the Lord.
And he did, in fact, cease to post his concerns for quite some time.. I am hoping he was resting in the Love of God in that meantime.
This is the second rebuke Green Candle, I pray God opens your ears.
Turn to God, who alone is able to save your soul!!!
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...each and every journalist at CBS, the New York Times, Newsweek, CNN, local newspapers, and those of you talking on the radio, who refuse to expose the truth about the Controllers...
Forget about status, position and money. Just tell the truth. For in the end, what does it matter if you've gained the entire World, but lost your Soul in the process?
This is an obvious case of scripture twisting. Jesus was not talking about giving up your possessions and simply changing your ethics. He was talking about something greater. He was talking about giving up our possessions so that we might be able to better follow Him. He was talking about salvation of the soul, not exposing political tyrants.
I'd rather someone be soundly saved and living in the worst part of India, than living comfortably in an ideal political environment in America, yet headed straight for hell, because they don't know how to properly read their Bible. Come on, America, let's get our priorities straight. The Bible is not about social or political change. The Bible is about the glory of God. Let us not twist the scriptures to make them mean something that they don't.
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Are you willing to have that on your conscience?
1 Timothy 4
1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
6If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
7But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
8For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
9This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
11These things command and teach.
12Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
13Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
14Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
15Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.
16Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
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The Green Light of Healing is essential for the Healing of the Soul and of ones Spiritual Center and Chakras.
You have heard of the White Light of protection I am sure?
The Green light is similar in the sense that it has a positive effect on emotions and well being.
The color Green itself can be said to have therapeutic properties as well. Being around Greenery (Trees, bushes, grass) often makes a person feel more at ease.
And where exactly is that in the Bible? Sorry. I'm just trying to figure out where you are coming from. The vast majority of us, on this board, see God's word as the only authority for how we view the world. The rest at the very least think they do. However, I have yet to see you quote from God's word once. This, in large part, is why you have not gotten responses from most on this board. Without scripture, you have no authority to be speaking on these matters, in their minds and mine. Do you consider yourself to be a Christian?
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So, I have to ask each and every journalist at CBS, the New York Times, Newsweek, CNN, local newspapers, and those of you talking on the radio, who refuse to expose the truth about the Controllers: when are you going to expose these lying, murdering, traitorous devils for what they are? Why are you so afraid to stand up to them? If every journalist in this country decided to start telling the truth, we could run those bastards out of town in a week! That's all it would take - tell the TRUTH!
Be a MAN....be a WOMAN....Be a TRUE PARENT and AMERICAN and do what's right. Quit telling lies and let the American people know what's REALLY going on in the World. That's your duty and responsibility.
Forget about status, position and money. Just tell the truth. For in the end, what does it matter if you've gained the entire World, but lost your Soul in the process?
It's time for some dramatic changes in this country, and I challenge every single member of the media to stand up and expose these Controllers and their loathsome goals. If we don't do it soon, we won't have another chance.
Are you willing to have that on your conscience?
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Isn't it clear what's taking place here folks? The mainstream corporate media and the power elite are no longer separate entities! There's no dividing line between them any longer. They're in bed together, with the multinational Globalists whipping the reporters, anchors, and editors like obedient dogs. And I have to tell you, the scent they're following isn't one that benefits us, but only further promotes the Controller's New World Order goals.
Here is my plea to the majority of the reporters and journalists out there:
Please, before it's too late, bury your cowardice and stand up to your bosses. Why are you selling your country, your family, and yourself out? Can't you see what's happening in America? We're being deliberately undermined by a group of power-hungry devils that allow 100,000 people to die of starvation EVERY DAY. Devils that created a deadly sex virus and who use it to commit genocide on entire peoples. Devils that advocate a perpetual, bloodthirsty War Machine that is now ready to start rolling in overdrive.
These same people steal our money via an unjust tax system; then pilfer even more money through their privately-owned, for profit Federal Reserve System. These same people run drugs, launder money, murder as if they lived outside the law, and are increasingly setting up a Big Brother type surveillance system that will alter the World in a way that'll bring us directly into George Orwell's "1984".
They're also destroying the planet's environment with wild abandon, and then building even more underground bases to protect themselves when the **** starts hitting the fan (while we'll be locked out in the cold to suffer and gasp for breath).
Hell, they've even trampled the very foundation of our democratic system via "Votescam", and do so with such arrogance, it's appalling.
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As it stands now, the American media has relinquished its role as watchdogs of the high-and-mighty, therein surrendering their dignity and ability to help make the World a better place. And what a pitiful, disheartening surrender it has been - to not only themselves and their families, but also to the American public. This once proud, vital institution has allowed itself to be reduced to pathetic marrionettes dangling from from the Controller's strings. The profession has, by and large, lost its backbone and grit.
Hell, they'll even bend over for the international financiers and whip us into a frenzy so the death-mongers can ship our boys off to die in another one of their perpetual wars.
Robert Mchesney summed up the media's role in fueling the greedy War Machine:
"The government needs to lie in order to gain support for its war aims. The media system, in every case, proves to be a superior propaganda organ for militarism and empire. The United States media conglomerates exist within an institutional context that makes support for the U.S. military seemingly natural."
"These giant firms are among the primary beneficiaries of globalization, and the U.S. role as the preeminent World power. Indeed, the United States Government is the primary advocate for the global media firms."
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The Green Light of Healing is essential for the Healing of the Soul and of ones Spiritual Center and Chakras.
You have heard of the White Light of protection I am sure?
The Green light is similar in the sense that it has a positive effect on emotions and well being.
The color Green itself can be said to have therapeutic properties as well. Being around Greenery (Trees, bushes, grass) often makes a person feel more at ease.
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I agree with what you are getting at GreenCandle.
GreenCandle,
Rather than leaving it to us to determine what you are "getting at," could you please sum up your point in three sentences or less? It seems to me that you are pretty disgruntled, but there is a lot of vagueness in your posts, as well. Please get to the point.
In Christ,
Billy.
ps. Is there any significance to the name that you've chosen for yourself (GreenCandle)? If so, please expound on that.
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You gotta love this guy Robert McChesney for describing the reality of our situation folks.
He also said about our current situation:
"To the United States elite, democracy tends to be defined by their ability to maximize profit. U.S. professional journalism, even at its best, serves as a propaganda function similar to the role of Pravda or Izbestia in the old USSR."
And if we return to the subject of media ownership, we see that our "faithful" television broadcasters are essentially controlled by AOL Time-Warner, Disney, Viacom, GE, and Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation. Also, check out these disturbing facts:
1. The ten largest media firms own ALL U.S. TV networks.
2. They also own most every TV station in the major markets, and all major film and music studios, nearly all the TV cable channels, and most all book and magazine publishers.
3. In terms of news, Jim Squires, former editor of the Chicago Tribune, found this trend so disturbing, he said resentfully, "Our generation has witnessed the end of journalism."
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In other words, the media, when combined with public relations firms and their overlord Controllers, end up conditioning us with a game of misdirection - sort of like children when they played "hotter-colder" (you're getting hotter...hotter...now colder...).
By using a variety of subtle techniques, the media directs us away from stories that they deem too "hot" or "explosive".
In fact, Robert McChesney said it best when he described professional journalism as being "biased towards the status quo." He said that, "The general rule in professional journalism is this: if the elite, the upper two or three percent of society who control most of the capital and rule the largest institutions, agree on an issue, then it is off-limits to journalistic scrutiny."
How true! How sad....but true.
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Robert McChesney exploded one of the prevailing myths of journalism when he said: "Trained editors and reporters are granted autonomy by the owners to make editorial decisions, and these decisions are based on their professional judgment, not the politics of the owners and the advertisers, or their commercial interests to maximize profits." How laughable.
Closer to the truth, of course, is McChesney's summary of Public Relations in regard to the media when he said, "By providing slick press releases, paid-for "experts", neutral-sounding but bogus 'citizens' groups, and canned news events, crafty PR agents have been able to shift the news to suit the interests of their mostly corporate clientele."
Alex Carey, who wrote, Taking the Risk out of Democracy in 1977, adds even more weight to this argument by showing how these shysters add another level of confusion to America's social fabric when he said: "The role of PR is to so muddle the public sphere as to take the risk out of democracy for the wealthy and corporations."
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With this in mind, we should look at the main function of journalism. Robert McChesney provides an excellent overview: "The media system must provide a rigorous accounting of PEOPLE IN POWER and people who want to be in power, in both public and private sectors. This is known as the watchdog role. Contemporary journalism serves as a tepid and weak-kneed watchdog over those in power, especially in the corporate sector."
But these watchdogs have turned into simpering lap dogs that suckle at the *** of their corporate sponsors, while those who speak the truth are shoved to the fringe, or viewed as rabble-rousers and subversives.
But let's keep in mind the reality of the situation, which Henry Adams reminds us: "The press is the hired agent of a moneyed system set up for no other reason than to tell lies where their interests are concerned."
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Carl Jenson reinforces this point quite nicely by writing, "The high salaries many of our leaders receive in newsrooms and business offices as well as corporate headquarters, have turned into golden handcuffs. And those handcuffs morphed into blindfolds and gags..."
Jenson goes on to describe how this failure to break free from their constraints leads to a journalistic conundrum. "The United States has a free press guaranteed by its Constitution, it has the world's most sophisticated communication system, and it has more independent media outlets disseminating more information 24 hours a day than anywhere else in the World. Considering our autonomous press and the quality of information that bombards us daily, we should be a very well-informed populace. Unfortunately, high-tech and a free press do not guarantee a well-informed society. The problem is not the quantity of information that we receive, but the quality."
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George Seldes, author of The Lords of the Press (1983), lays it all on the line by sneering, "It is possible to fool all the people all the time when the government and the press cooperate."
Unfortunately, we've reached that point in this country. Most everyone is being bamboozled!
In essence, then, the American media's cowardice is a direct reflection of their "don't rock the boat" mentality; starting with the editors, program directors, and network heads and filtering down to the reporters.
By utilizing bias, omission, under reporting and outright censorship, they remain beholden to the corporate (and local) advertising, while preserving their incestuous relationship with governmental PR sources. These two forces make sick, twisted bed-partners.
But the question that I keep asking is this: how can these guilty parties live with themselves? Are the few dollars that they get for keeping the lid on really worth it?
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Look at how many of these cowering dogs still refuse to acknowledge how horribly their ranks have been corrupted and poisoned by the perpetuation of outright lies.
What do I mean? The New York Times came clean once in 1977 and verified to what extent the CIA had infiltrated the media and publishing industry. Author Michael Levine weighs in by saying, "If the CIA is good at anything, it is complete control of the American media. So secure are they in their ability to manipulate the media that they even brag about it in their own in-house memos."
Gary Webb adds further ammunition by writing: "The national news organizations have had a long, dissapointing history of playing footsie with the CIA. DO we have a free press today? Sure we do, it's free to report all the sex scandals it wants, all the stock market news we can handle, every new health fad that comes down the pike and every celebrity marriage and divorce that happens. But when it comes to the real down and dirty stuff - that's where we begin to see the limits of our freedom. In today's media environment, sadly, such stories are not even open for discussion."
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Greg Palast reflects on the result of this monopolized media: "If the Rupert Murdochs of the globe are shepherds of the New World Order, they owe their success to breeding a flock of docile sheep; snoozy editors and reporters who are content to munch on, digest, and then reprint a diet of press releases and canned stories provided by officials and corporate P.R. operators."
Maurice Murad adds, "The manipulation of perceptions is replacing reality as the governing principle in human affairs."
When President Dwight D. Eisenhower delivered his farewell speech in 1961 before leaving office, he warned Americans about the dangers of a growing military-industrial complex.
The media should act as a watch dog against these forces, but instead, the press has actually been meshed together with them under the same corporate umbrella.
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One may wonder at this time how the corporate media is allowed to get away with such nonsense. The key word here is "corporate". As Ben Bagdikian notes in The Media Monopoly , in 1993 there were 50 major media corporations in America. A little more than just ten years later, there are six! Only SIX multinational companies now control all the network, newspaper, radio, and magazine news departments in this country.
The Corporations, of course, are owned and beholden to the international bankers, whose primary goal is globalization, which is reflected in their foreign policy decisions. In all, the media becomes a conditioning tool used to maintain the status quo wile maximizing profits.
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This strategy doesn't only apply to newspapers or TV. The publishing industry also censors itself, as Gerald Colby points out with the concept of "privishing".
This phenomenon occurs, "when a publisher kills off an author's book without the author's awareness or consent." Basically, they "cut off the book's life-support system." Publishers can plunge a dagger through the heart of a book in a number of different ways, such as:
1. Reducing the print run.
2. Refusing additional print runs.
3. Gouging the promotional budget.
4. Failing to support a book-signing tour.
5. Or by simply saying that the book is not available.
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I agree with what you are getting at GreenCandle.
See a big problem is that christian conservatives (they have more emphasis on conservative than on christian as their actions prove) are putting their hope in a political party,
They are trying to achieve things by a political means (which isn't Yahweh's plan).
They are being fed a line of propaganda about AMERICA being a "christian" nation by a bunch of men behind the pulpits that are more concerned about earthly power and influence than the Kingdom of Yahweh.
In turn conservative politicians will pander to and use the politically minded christians to achieve their power.
It was this way from the birth of this secular (NOT christian) nation - the masons (which many of the founder were, like the 1st president) used the christians to establish their power base in forming this nation.
The christians formed an unholy political alliance with unGodly men because they were more politically minded than Christ minded.
Look how well the current President has played many of the christians of this country while pretending to be one himself.
We are called to put on the mind of Messiah, not be politically minded.
Yahshua was not politically minded, that is why many of the Israelites missed Him - they were thinking earthly and expecting Him to establish an earthly kingdom.
Far to many christians are putting their hopes in government and earthly minded men, like abortion - they want to deal with it in an earthly means and put their hopes in the Supreme(less) court.
Abortion is not the problem - it is but a SYMPTOM.
The problem is hearts turned against Yahweh.
The solution is Messiah.
Our objective is to bring Messiah to people so He can renew and change their hearts so they don't want or need an abortion.
Well said Wparr.
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Actually i think either one is scary.
Bush is a kick back to the 1920's-30's ULTRA conservative and the party has removed themselves from the little and middle man and its all about the ultra-rich. If McCain follows suit, then it wont get any better.
Obama, well, enough said there. NO WAY!
Im not voting this year, which will be a first for me since i registered some 30 years ago.
But whichever candidate wins, we as believers need to pray for them. Shalom
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I will vote and I will not apologize for doing my duty as an American Citizen. What I will do is pray about who I should vote for.
President Bush put two conservatives on the Supreme Court. As far as their wives, I did not vote for them. President Bush will answer to God for his own faith. I was not voting for him as my spiritual leader. While I wish I had the option of voting for Hucklebee, I don't. I will vote for McClain, because to tell you the truth Obama scares me.
I believe no vote is a vote for him. In fact I heard a woman who is for Obama say that she wished all conservatives would stay home on election day so Obama would win. NOT ME!!
betty
To me, ones relationship with Yahweh is more important than ones values and political stand.
When one, like President Bush, thinks they have a relationship with the creator - but don't - who are they listening to and being led by?
I will not vote for (and be responsible for) someone who is led by deceiving spirits.
If values and conservatism are the most important issues when voting for someone to represent you and lead the people, then I guess their relationship to Yahweh is irrelevant.
Values and morality are MEANINGLESS if they don't flow from a right relationship to Yahweh - otherwise mormans, JWs, and other moral people are justified.
I will NOT vote for someone that is wrong or deceived about the MOST important issue, because if they are wrong about God - everything else is off course.
I may live in America, but my citizenship is not in the world or this nation but in Yahweh's Kingdom.
When you vote for the lesser of an evil, that is misled and deceived by the enemy - then you share a responsibility for putting them there, and the judgment & reaping this nation receives because of it.
I am but a sojourner, and alien here.
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I will vote and I will not apologize for doing my duty as an American Citizen. What I will do is pray about who I should vote for.
President Bush put two conservatives on the Supreme Court. As far as their wives, I did not vote for them. President Bush will answer to God for his own faith. I was not voting for him as my spiritual leader. While I wish I had the option of voting for Hucklebee, I don't. I will vote for McClain, because to tell you the truth Obama scares me.
I believe no vote is a vote for him. In fact I heard a woman who is for Obama say that she wished all conservatives would stay home on election day so Obama would win. NOT ME!!
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You are sooo right on wparr!
Did you know that Barbara Bush, Laura Bush, and Dick Cheneys wife are all pro- Abortion?
In all actuality we dont have a 2 party anymore.
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As a Christian in our Country, we have a responsibility to vote. We should vote our conscious. The reason Americans are in the mess we are end, is far too long Christians stayed silent. We stayed silent when prayer was removed from our schools. Being a good American does not come before being a Christian, but at the same time, we should still vote and act for change in our Country.
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I guess your believing that propaganda about prayer being removed from school - it's a lie.
NO ONE has been prevented from Structurally praying in school or anyplace else in this world.
"When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men.
Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.
"But YOU, when YOU pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.
(Matthew 6:5-6)
All that has been stopped is prayers being heard of other men.
And if someone must be heard of other men - well, they are praying with a WRONG motive.
Did you realize that Scripture does NOT record Messiah praying a prayer in public, just an occasional acknowledgment to the Father.
He always went off in private to pray - that's why the disciples asked Him to teach them to pray.
Did you also realize that Acts does NOT once record any of the apostles in public prayer?
What else has the church misled you on?
Also where does it show in Scripture that it is our duty as a christian to vote?
I won't vote for anyone that I don't see fruit of a submissive relationship with Elohim.
When you vote for the lesser of 2 evils (like with President Bush who professes to be a christian but isn't) you are still voting for evil - and thus bear a responsibility for their unrighteous doings.
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As a Christian in our Country, we have a responsibility to vote. We should vote our conscious. The reason Americans are in the mess we are end, is far too long Christians stayed silent. We stayed silent when prayer was removed from our schools. Being a good American does not come before being a Christian, but at the same time, we should still vote and act for change in our Country.
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I agree with what you are getting at GreenCandle.
See a big problem is that christian conservatives (they have more emphasis on conservative than on christian as their actions prove) are putting their hope in a political party,
They are trying to achieve things by a political means (which isn't Yahweh's plan).
They are being fed a line of propaganda about AMERICA being a "christian" nation by a bunch of men behind the pulpits that are more concerned about earthly power and influence than the Kingdom of Yahweh.
In turn conservative politicians will pander to and use the politically minded christians to achieve their power.
It was this way from the birth of this secular (NOT christian) nation - the masons (which many of the founder were, like the 1st president) used the christians to establish their power base in forming this nation.
The christians formed an unholy political alliance with unGodly men because they were more politically minded than Christ minded.
Look how well the current President has played many of the christians of this country while pretending to be one himself.
We are called to put on the mind of Messiah, not be politically minded.
Yahshua was not politically minded, that is why many of the Israelites missed Him - they were thinking earthly and expecting Him to establish an earthly kingdom.
Far to many christians are putting their hopes in government and earthly minded men, like abortion - they want to deal with it in an earthly means and put their hopes in the Supreme(less) court.
Abortion is not the problem - it is but a SYMPTOM.
The problem is hearts turned against Yahweh.
The solution is Messiah.
Our objective is to bring Messiah to people so He can renew and change their hearts so they don't want or need an abortion.
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So what does all this mean? It simply means that the media is towing the pary line. If you as a reporter walk outside of the accepted parameters, they will turn on you like bloodthirsty sharks!
Rather than going after the guilty party, they attack the reporter who upset the apple cart. (See Gary Webb and his expose' on how the CIA imported drugs into L.A. during the mid 1980's to start the gang war crack craze).
Philip Weiss reinforces this point by saying that we DO have freedom of speech and freedom of the press in this country, but to combat the dangers inherent to the elite class, it is marginalized by the Controllers to the "fringe".
Weiss goes on to tell us: "Corporate media outlets cannot entertain serious questions about the legitimacy of the powers-that-be, even when spokesmen are shown to lie."
By being comfortable and removed from the streets, isn't it interesting how an entire industry of journalists is enveloped by a corporate framework? The worst part is that most don't even realize the irony of how shackled and enslaved they are.
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Into the Buzzsaw brings to light what those in power want to conceal. When a reporter dares to trespass into forbidden territory - the truth -- they enter the "buzzsaw", which Kristina Borjesson defines as "a powerful system of censorship in this country that is revealed to those reporting on extremely sensitive stories usually having to do with high level government and/or corporate malfeasance."
Bjorjesson continues to describe the "buzzsaw" as "what can rip through you when you try to investigate or expose anything this country's large institutions -- be they corporate or government -- want kept under wraps. The system finally fights back with official lies, disinformation and stonewalling."
"If the reporter or writer in question cannot be silenced, then the media big-wig moguls, who are merely pawns of the multinational corporations and international bankers, use a technique called "marginalization". In other words, when someone gets too close to the truth they are labeled a "conspiracy nut", then they are subjected to a propaganda juggernaut, which Borjesson says happens to "anyone who didn't believe the government officials or the journalists who unquestionably reported what the official said."
She further explains, "If you don't go along with the party line, you're shoved into the margins and eventually out of the picture."
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Into the Buzzsaw, an excellent book recently released in 2002 by Prometheus Books and edited by Kristina Borjesson, answers some of these questions.
By giving eighteen journalists a chance to speak freely on a number of issues (as opposed to being muted by the corporate media), this collection shows how the field of professional journalism has lost its fire and why many of its members continue to wallow like yellow-spined lemmings in a pool of aloofness and deceit.
I recommend that everyone try to read this book. Inside of it, you will find out how the CIA has admitted to blatant cases of cocaine trafficking, and yet our fine lily-livered journalists don't have the guts to expose these DRUG DEALERS in a meaningful way. You will also read about the Franklin pedophilia case, how AIDS is a man-made genocidal disease, the Bilderberg secrecy, Votescam, the Federal Reserve deception and theft, and much much more.
But what it all boils down to is this. Many of the devils in positions of power have intimidated the American mass media journalists to such an extent that they now tremble and cover for these killers, drug dealers, and deviants.
Why? Why are they enabling them to get away with this deception? Isn't it time to stand-up and expose these traitors?
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Excluding home ownership, the wealthiest 10% of Americans own 76% of this nation's net worth. More than half of that is accounted for by the top 1%. These rich elitists also own television stations, newspapers, magazines, Internet news sites, and radio stations.
Whenever I see a preponderance of lies, half-truths, censorship, and steady streams of disinformation in the various media outlets each day, I ask myself, how can these people continue to sell their Souls? How do they possibly look in the mirror after knowingly enabling drug traffickers, murderers, and sexual deviants to get away with their crimes? And I'm not even refering to true-life criminals. I'm talking about politicians, government officials, intelligence operatives, and the Controllers themselves.
How can any member of the mainstream media sleep at night, pat their children on the head, or not cringe with shame when they pass an American flag knowing that a plethora of blatant crimes go unreported each day?
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One of the biggest problems that people who are in the Mainstream Media as well as many of the Controllers themselves tend to suffer from is a propensity to reveal the Controller's motives every once and awhile. So, take a look at what has been said in the past about their own industry and practices:
Richard Salent (former president of CBS News):
"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have."
Lyndon Johnson (former President of the United States):
"Reporters are puppets. They simply respond to the pull of the most powerful strings."
Bill Moyers (television journalist):
"Most of the news on television is, ultimately, whatever the government says is news."
Johnny Carson: "How much of the national news that you report to the public each night consists of information you've actually gone out and dug up on your own?"
Connie Chung (responding to Johnny's question): "In all honesty, we are often at the mercy of the White House for the news we report. Frequently, we simply report verbatim what the White House tells us."
The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence (Marchetti & Marks):
"Only about 20% of the CIA's career employees work on intelligence analysis and information processing. About 2/3 of all CIA funds and manpower are spent on "covert operations", such as the manipulation of public opinion and elections and its mass media manipulation activity."
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As a voice of reason, Noam Chomsky tells us, "If you're rational and honest, you're pretty much excluded from the educated classes, from the privileged classes. Those are the properties (honesty and rationalism) that are very dangerous."
In other words, Noam Chomsky said that if you're a liar, you can progress to the upper echelons of power. But if you're honest, you're seen as a threat to the established order.
On September 10, 2001, America was plunging into a recession; the Gary Condit sex scandal played on every station, crime was on an upswing; the Israeli/Palestinian peace talks were deteriorating; and NAFTA and illegal immigration had many people disgruntled.
One day later, on Septembr 11, our nation was inspired by waves of patriotism, focused on a single act of brutality, and was willing to relinquish many of our civil rights. To fuel us, George W. Bush gave a speech that sent his approval ratings through the roof.
Do you think that life has gotten better or worse since September 11? If you said worse, what are you going to do if things keep going downhill? Also, do you think the Mainstream Media is going to be there to help you along the way, or will they continue to lie on a daily basis? I don't know about you, but I refuse to accept their deceptive practices any longer.
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What we have here is a handful of people who control vitrually ALL of the information we receive. This system is perpetuated by the FCC, which regulates how many television and radio stations operate in a given area. The lockdown is so complete, that in 1990, only 21 groups controlled the entirety of the printed media; 12 groups controlled all the newspapers, 3 controlled the magazines, and another 6 controlled the mainstream publishing industry.
I guarantee you that these numbers have become even more appalling over the past decade.
Turn on your television and flick through the channels. How many alternatives do you have regarding the news? There is:
CBS: CONTROLLED
NBC: CONTROLLED
ABC: CONTROLLED
FOX: CONTROLLED
CNN: CONTROLLED
The people who dominate the media are part of "The Alibi Club", an elite group of 50 business executives and political officials who have joined together with the "Intelligence" community to influence what we see, hear, and read in the media. This idea is supported by a clandestine program called "Operation Mockingbird" in which the CIA recruited and used mainstream journalists to manipulate the media and directly affect the outcome of elections.
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I'd like to ask you guys another question: Where do you all get your information from about the World around you? Most people would say television, radio, newspapers, magazines, and the Internet. Well, let me put this revelation in the starkest terms possible. The same people who are destroying our country are those who own just about every single media source that you get your information from.
What does that mean to you? Here's the way I see it. The majority of the people in the mainstream media along with certain members of our government are lying through their teeth to the American people on a daily basis.
It's time for all of us to think for ourselves rather than be conditioned into little obedient automatons.
If you don't buy into how much is being kept from us, take the Bilderbergs for example. The mainstream media never says a word about them! And yet, the people who belong to that group are political leaders, bankers, industrialists, and businessmen! Considering that these men and women are some of the most influential individuals on the planet, you would think that there would be some media coverage of their conferences. But the mainstream media says nothing. It's a total blackout.
Or, as James Tucker said in the now defunct Spotlight newspaper:
"If the world's most popular film stars or football players gathered for a closed-door meeting over the weekend, the press would go crazy, demanding to know what was discussed. But when the world's most powerful private citizens gather in the company of key political figures, there's not the slightest cry of outrage."
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Let me ask you all a question. After the atrocity of September 11, we witnessed an outpouring of love by hundreds of thousands of honest, dedicated Americans who would do anything to guard and protect our country. These people are everywhere, and it fills my heart with joy to know that they exist.
By the same token, take a look at things happening in this country and ask yourself, "Do the people running the show have the American people's best interests in mind?" You'll eventually realize that we're being lied to on a daily basis; duped, deceived, manipulated, and undermined by a hidden cadre of Globalists who control our government, media and in many cases even our universities.
If these people want to bolster America, then why aren't be being told the truth about Votescam, AIDS, and scores of other issues?
Why are we allowing our country to be overrun with illegal aliens when we could stop this problem within a week? Why are we allowing trade agreements such as NAFTA to destroy our industrial-based economy? Why are we allowing our votes to be stolen by letting self-serving politicians sit in Washington, DC and watch us be weakened just so they can fatten their wallets?
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"When You're dealing with the networks, you're dealing with a shadowgovernment."
Tim O' Brien, ABC's Supreme Court Correspondent
Folks, I love America, especially the freedom and unlimited potential it represents. I also despise with every ounce of venom in my body the sick evil Satanistic Controllers that are deliberately in the process of destroying this great nation.
Listen to me, folks. Everything that we've come to love in this country -- all of the cherished freedoms and rights -- are about to be slowly taken away from us. This is the real thing, and it's happening right before our very eyes.
The United States has declared war on terrorists, but there's a much more important war taking place that the media isn't telling you about. It's a war between the Globalists, those who want a slavish New World Order, and a group of patriotic Nationalists who love America and want to save it from being destroyed.
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So the big question now guys, is this. Do we want to take these rather simple steps, or do we want to allow the networks and VNS to keep operating as usual? If we do nothing, I GUARANTEE that the long-awaited candidate who tells us the truth may never be given an opportunity to speak. Instead, we'll be stuck with the same crooked politicians that have already sickened us to no end.
Here's the bottom line: The corporate media has to tow a fine line between perpetuating the Controller's lies and trying to maintain their credibility. If we quit believing them, guess what? The show is over! They've lost their ability to influence us any longer.
The media has already lost their credibility if you ask me. But we can finally see through their lies. The Wizard of Oz has been exposed!
Are we going to keep letting them snow us, or will we take steps to elect that candidate who will level with us and get rid of all the corruption? Time is running out.
The New World Order isn't something that's going to happen in the "future". It's already here! It's now or never. Taking back our vote is the first step toward taking back our country.
"Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."
Joseph Stalin
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Here are some good solutions for all this nonsense:
1. Instantly abolish VNS and exit polling.
2. If the networks insist on perpetrating the status quo in light of the potential (and outright evidence of) voter fraud, then we should all bring charges of criminal negligence, fraud, and abuse of trust against them; also, we should revoke their broadcast license.
3. If that course of action doesn't work, then we should convict them on the RICO Act for racketeering and conspiracy. The American people could bring a class-action lawsuit against them (similar to the tobacco company cases) for unduly influencing the outcome of an election. If we don't inherently trust the information being fed to us by the networks and corporate media due to their constant lies and manipulation, how can we place our faith in them to be honest with something as important as the election process?
4. We should require positive picture I.D. when voting.
5. We should allow ONLY American citizens to vote.
6. We should change the voting day to Saturday.
7. All the results should be tabulated, verified, and confirmed at EACH POLLING PLACE before they are sent to the county courthouse.
And that's it folks! That's all we would need to do. No rigging, no hanging chads, no telephone lines or unverifiable hidden computer programs. This is all we need to do to put the election of public officials back into the people's hands.
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Now, get this. The Florida "hanging chad" debacle in the 2000 presidential election was vitally important for one very calculated reason. It made the voters so sick of punch card ballots that sometime soon a politician in Washington D.C. will come out and claim that they are going to "save" us all by sponsoring a bill that will put computers into every polling place across America. By touting how easy, fast, and reliable these computers are, they'll get the propaganda machine rolling and try to convince us all that this idea will be our salvation.
But when you look past their veil of lies, here's what will happen to put the "fix" in. As things stand now (especially with punch cards or hand ballots), it still takes an enormous amount of people to be corrupted. It takes election supervisors, volunteers, ect. But if we switch to 100% computerized voting, think how easy it'll be to "throw" an election. You'd only need to bribe or pay off one or two programmers in the whole country instead of countless county and party officials.
With one centralized computer existing in an invisible realm with programs that can't be checked due to "trade secrets", we'll never actually have a chance to see our ballots first-hand. We'll simply push a button, send our vote through cyberspace, and then place our TRUST in VNS, sleazy programmers, and the corporate media.
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The above scenario about the renegade candidate getting into office is the key to what's happening in the World right now. The Controllers obsess over every aspect of keeping the lid on their scam - from newscasts to mind control to elections. The thought of a renegade candidate who cares about the people and tells them the truth makes them wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat, shivering with fear. All it would take is ONE stinking revelation of truth and the whole game is over. Do you get it?!!!! If given the opportunity, one person CAN change the World. If this candidate did speak to us, the Controller's vision of a One World hellish government would go down the drain in a heartbeat.
To combat this scenario from ever coming to fruition, the Controllers need to do one thing - NEVER allow one of those renegade candidates to get into office. So what do they do? They know how sick everyone is of their corrupt "two-party" system. Actually, it's nothing more than one snake with two-heads. So, they rig the election process. This is how the system currently operates. If punch card ballots are used, then after everyone votes and the polls close, the "results" are either taken to county headquarters or shipped directly to VNS....without verification. If voting is done by computer, then the machines are linked directly to the VNS super-computers via phone lines so that they can "interact". Then, minutes after the polls close, the networks project a winner based on supposed exit polls.
Within a day or so everything's swept under the rug, and then they have a month or two to make the actual results jive with the "projections". This, my friends, is called a "fix".
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Ok so with the above premise in mind folks, I'm going to let you in on one of the most crucial secrets of our current age. Here it is:
Do you know what scares the hell out of the "Controllers" more than anything?
Answer: That a "renegade" candidate will emerge on the scene who rallies and inspires the people to such an extent that he or she steamrolls into the Presidency and EXPOSES the Big Lie! The Controllers spend practically every waking moment trying to prevent this scenario. Because, you see, if this maverick candidate gets into office, the whole house of cards will tumble.
It'll be EXACTLY like the Wizard of Oz. Do you remember how feeble, horrified and in awe Dorothy and her cohorts were when they first entered Oz? The entirety of this huge, cumbersome, all-encompassing kingdom literally reduced them to trembling little saps.
But then the veil was removed. And after that, the Wizard would never be able to rule over them with such terrifying brilliance as before.
The Controllers will do anything in their power to keep from being exposed. And I'll tell ya; it wouldn't take much to do the job. Think about it - a candidate who is truly "of, for, and by the people" would go on TV and say, "Guess what. These guys have been deceiving you for years; here's how."
Then this renegade would go down the line and say, "This is a lie, this is a lie, this is a lie, this is a lie.....and here is how we're going to change things."
From that point forward, heads would start rolling and the Controllers, who have been plotting and deceiving us for at least a century or more, would stand like horrified deer in the headlights of a locomotive as their con job was brought out into the open.
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In the 1988 presidential election, CBS was the first to call George Bush the winner at 9:17 PM - only 17 minutes after the polls closed, with voting stations still open in the western states.
What I'd like to know is - why the rush? We elect the president in early November, and he's not inaugurated until mid-January - over two months later. Why do we need to prematurely announce a winner after only 17 minutes!??? It takes county officials at least a month to verify all the vote totals. Are we SO greedy for results that we're willing to sacrifice the very sanctity of our democratic process for the "ruse" of speed that the networks are leading us to believe?
Look at what we've done. We've handed over the reponsibility to a snakelike beast. Plus, to add insult to injury, 60% of all the votes in this country are now classified as "computerized votes". That means we can't see them or physically count them....we have to simply TRUST that VNS does everything properly in their "invisible" little clandestine world.
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