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Isaiah
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Revelation is the revelation of Jesus Christ -It was given first to Christ by the Father, then to John (Rev. 1:1). It details end-time events (wonderful and horrible), focusing on the shift of power from Satan's/man's rule to Christ's rule on Earth, but also gives an overview of the history of the church(s)through the ages -not only in Revelation 12 -the woman in this chapter being the TRUE church from the time of Christ until it is kept from the tribulation to come (not to be confused with the woman in scarlet -the great false church of Rev 17)-but also in Rev. 1, where the seven churches which were in asia are analogous to the seven church eras -ending with the Philadelphian and Laodicean eras -the Philidelphians being kept from tribulation and the Laodiceans going into the tribulation.
It is true that the best thing we can do is obey God -and he will certainly lead those who are sincere, but this book contains some very important information which can keep us from being deceived in the last days. He had it written and set before us for a reason. In my opinion, the three most important verses in this book tell us what we ought to be doing... 12:17, 14:12 and 22:14... We should be KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS -all ten of them! Some believe there are only two: Love God and Man -but the first of the ten are the basics of HOW to love God -and the latter are the basics of HOW to love man. When questioned, most would agree that we ought to do do all of the commandments...except the sabbath. All of God's SABBATHS, however, were kept by Christ and the NT church, as evidenced by NT scripture (Luke 22:15, I Cor 5:7-8, 15:52, 16:8, Matt 24:31, Acts 2:1, 20:16, Rom 5:11, John 7:6-10, John 7:37 MOST OF THE IMPORTANT MILESTONES IN CHURCH HISTORY HAPPENED ON THESE SABBATHS!) and history -until those who kept the commandments were persecuted into obscurity, and the great false church declared those who kept the sabbath to be anathema from Christ -hundreds of years after the death of Christ!
(THE COUNCIL OF LAODICEA IN PHRYGIA PACATIANA 364 A.D.: CANON XXIX. CHRISTIANS must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.)
Rather than the keeping of God's weekly seventh day sabbath and yearly sabbaths (holy days -Passover, Days of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Feast of Tabernacles, Last Great Day) which outline the plan of God for man, this same church allowed the introduction of pagan rituals and observances, such as what became Christmas and Easter. Christmas was derived from rituals far predating Christ -and spoken against in Jeremiah 10, and EASTER's very name is a clue to its origins -it is another spelling of ISHTAR or ASTARTE -the name of the chief goddess of the babylonian mystery religion -which is why this church -in Revelation 17:5 -is called MYSTERY:BABYLON THE GREAT!
Keeping God's commandments and holy days is also HOW TO NOT RECEIVE THE MARK OF THE BEAST. Notice it is the SECOND beast -the false prophet -a RELIGIOUS leadership(Rev 13:11-17) -who causes people to receive the mark of the FIRST beast. Notice also the mark is in the FOREHEAD AND RIGHT HAND (13:16). THE ONLY OTHER PLACE IN THE BIBLE THIS LANGUAGE IS USED IS TO DESCRIBE THE SIGN BETWEEN GOD AND HIS PEOPLE! THIS SIGN IS HIS SABBATHS AND COMMANDMENTS (Exodus 13:9, Deu 6:4-9 & 11:18) -We are not to judge each other in holy days or sabbaths -but we are to obey God -we are not to call one day more holy than another, but God Almighty hallowed HIS sabbaths -and we can not make them unholy! Christ did not abolish the law -he kept it -it was the judgments under the law which changed -stoning, sacrifice, etc... We are not under the law WHEN WE KEEP IT -and without the spirit we could not keep it in spirit -so they made God's spirit available to man! If we break man's laws we are under them and we are subject to penalty -If we have God's spirit we can keep the law in letter and SPIRIT!
These may seem like technicalities, but they will become very important. When those who kept the sabbath were declared anathema from Christ they were also shunned in SOCIETY -and so found it difficult even to BUY AND SELL! So it will be again. It does not matter whether or not actual markings will be made on the flesh in the future-maybe not -maybe so -but this can be forced -refusal is in choice -refusal of the false and keeping of the true commandments -EVEN UNDER PENALTY OF POVERTY AND DEATH! Please read also.. MATT. 19:17-21, Luke 10:25-28, IJohn 3:4, Romans 3:31, 6:15, 7:7....... And if the weekly sabbath is not important -how much less would something like the ancient Feast of Tabernacles be important??? YET.... When Christ rules the Earth -and the faithful with him (Rev 5:10) -those nations which do not go up to Jerusalem to KEEP THAT VERY FEAST WILL RECEIVE NO RAIN!!!!! (Zech 14:16-19) How much more the day which is a memorial of the preparation of the earth for the creation of man???
God looks upon the heart -it is true -considering sincerity above knowledge of the letter of the law -but we cheat ourselves by not observing those things he gave us to bless us with understanding -the law is a firm foundation of understanding -the holy days teach his plan -to be deceived is to believe that anything else is true!
Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

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sevenlamps
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As long as we are walking in love one towards another. Paul taught that the body has many members. He advised that the members should not say that they have no need for each other. It's easy to post our thoughts on a message board, but it is also necessary to contac those who are considered to be in error. The bible says to go to them and let your position be known. If you cannot reconcile the matter then get a couple more brethren and meet again. If that fails then bring them up before the body of believers. I appreciate all of you who do post so we can compare our beliefs and share ways in which we might exhort the body of christ to adhere to sound doctrine. God bless you all!!!

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[Smile] While the devil is certainly at the heart of the attack against the Church,It is very important to note that satan has vessels.

The error in teaching and preaching must be exposed,But also those who are teaching and preaching the error is important.

I am not talking about small matters, But those matters that can effect the salvation of souls.

Some within the Church are now teaching that the Blood of Jesus did not atone for our sins.

Some are teaching that the virgin Birth is false.

These and other false teachers and preachers must be exposed. Art.

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When Peter did wrong, Paul publicly told him so.
We are doing baby Christians no favor but not speaking out against those who are leading them astray. There is a difference in speaking out to warn and slander.
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By attacking WOF preachers aren't we sowing discord right here? We must go deeper to find out who is resposible for the fragmentation that is appearing all around us. Isn't it the devil who is resposible for this? Let's take a look at this. John 10:10 says the devil comes to kill,steal, and destroy...Slander is one way the devil schemes to destroy the work of God. When we focus on people methods we are living by sight and not by faith. Faith pleases God. So how do we enforce the defeat Jesus laid on the devil through his sacrificial act at cavalry? The weapons of our warfare are not carnal,but mighty to the pulling down of strongholds. We do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers,rulers of darkness,spiritual wickedness in high places. Since our spirit lamps are lit by the Spirit of God the enemy tries to use our souls to extinguish that lamp. That is where the attack takes place. Our soul is our intellect,will,emotions. If you examine these you will quickly see that the enemy sowed tares in our souls before we were even born. While we listened to our parents from the womb we were already being subjected to attacks the enemy had planned for us. Jesus said it's not what a person takes in that defiles him, but what comes out of him. So the enemy wants to oppress our minds in such a way that we spew out the evils programmed into us. Hatred,jealously,lust,envy,fear and such things. That's why we need to be born again and cleansed. When attacked in the wilderness by satan Jesus used the same method of warfare. He said,'It is written'. And why wouldn't he? He is the Word. The devil tried to attack the body,soul,and spirit of Jesus. Who is the body of Christ? Do you see that? Is anything different now than it was then? It is satan that is attacking the body of Christ. But not only Jesus. When Peter tried to forbid Jesus from going to His death, He said,'Get behind me satan'. Jesus recognized the spirit behind Peter's words and spoke directly to him. Again Peter cuts the ear off the high priests servant in the garden. Satan had place misconceptions about the Christ in Peter's mind and he reacted inappropriately to the events unfolding around him. And let's not forget Judas. He was to eventually be lost to the son of perdition. How his soul must have been tormented. Pride, Greed. Jealousy. Envy. We overcome by the blood of the lamb, by our testimony, and not loving our lives to the death. Let's enter His gates with thanksgiving,His courts with praise, and worship Him until He is living His life through us. We die to self. He must increase,we must decrease.

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Acts 11:26 decares " And the Disciples were called " Christians " first in Antioch.

The word Christian, Means " Follower of Christ.

Christanity is actually the only beleif system that God will accept because it is founded on Faith in Jesus Christ,and what He did on the Cross of calvary.

True Christanity will never fail,Because it is founded on " the solid rock,Christ Jesus."

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True Christanity is under attack. It is being attacked from outside sources, And at the same time it is being attacked from within.

The most dangerous attack is coming from within from those who are attempting to draw the Church away from the True Word of God.

Many within the Church no longer beleive the Bible to be without error,Many do not beleive in the Virgin Birth of Christ.

Many word of faith preachers have destroyed the Faith of Christians by preaching a fale message on what faith is.

I lost a very lovely friend to cancer just 38 years old who died saying, " this is just a symptom,I'm not sick. she would not say she had any problem because that would not be faith.

she was taught that by word of faith preachers like hagen copland and others.

yes, True Christanity is under attack, But the far greater danger is within our own ranks. art

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WOF and some preachers who accept gay Pastors. I was not saying they were one in the same.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
betty

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quote:
Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:
We have WOF preachers, some in the Church who want to accept gay deacons and preachers.

Please, Betty this is not true. [Eek!] Where did you get this information about the WOF preachers?

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Romans 10:15 As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"


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The religion we call "Christianity" is collapsing and will continue to collapse because it was not founded by Jesus. Jesus simply called out followers and it is they, the true Church, who need to stay strong. It should come as no surprise that the religious institutions we call "church" are failing since they are man-made organizations.

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I think we blame men too much for the discord.
I see God at work:

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Hbr 12:25-29 See that you do not refuse Him who speaks. For if they did not escape who refused Him who spoke on earth, much more shall we not escape if we turn away from Him who speaks from heaven, whose voice then shook the earth; but now He has promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not only the earth, but also heaven." Now this, "Yet once more," indicates the removal of those things that are being shaken, as of things that are made, that the things which cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear. For our God is a consuming fire.

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Amen! Very true.

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Don't forget Churches are been attacked from the inside. We have WOF preachers, some in the Church who want to accept gay deacons and preachers.
We have Churches that are bringing New Age practices right into the Church. We have those who are teaching Universal Salvation.
We need to make sure that we are going to a Bible based Church and then be praying that it stays that way.
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I saw the below in a new article today and thought it was interesting:

Can Christianity afford discord within its ranks? The church is embattled on all sides, from all frontiers.


TODAY, Son Jong Nam, a North Korean Christian, is on deathrow, awaiting public execution for simply being a Christian. He has been beaten and tortured; his death is to serve as an example to would-be Christians.


TODAY, 3,562 unwanted babies across the United States will die in their mothers' wombs.


TODAY, Christopher Hitchens' God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything is on the New York Times best-seller list. Hitchens writes: "Monotheistic religion is a plagiarism of a plagiarism, of a hearsay of a hearsay, of an illusion of an illusion, extending all the way back to a fabrication of a few non-events."


TODAY, the presidential frontrunners in both political parties have declared their support for partial-birth abortion and gay marriage!


TODAY, Islamic terrorists plot to kill Christians. They are instructed by their holy book, the Qur'an, to "fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them, and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush" (Surah 9:5).


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