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And all that by a guy with a 6th grade education.
P.S. how in the world could you call my reply questionable when you supported it in your own reply? ![[happyhappy]](graemlins/happyhappy.gif)
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eh...the Hitler/silver tongue/charisma connection is a bit questionable. Germany was in EXTREME dire straits at that time, and a world-wide depression was in effect.
The National Socialist movement was really about all that poor Germany had at that time!
Many of Hitler's speeches were full of promises that "Germany shall march to her grave!!" and the like. Sheesh...what were they thinking?????
The "people" themselves had less of a hand in it than many would suspect. Hitler was appointed Chancellor of germany by inside political maneuvering, not popular will. Much of the footage of adoring masses at NAZI rallies were staged ("faked") by Goebbels and Leni Riefenstahl.
I don't buy into a lot of end-times stuff, but think it's altogether possible the so-called "religious right" could produce a Hitler-like national leader sometime.
IMHO - the probability of a single "World Leader" in the next century is almost nonexistent.
Likewise, the completely unnecessary, totally unfeasible physical marking of an entire world population. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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AH HA!!! Therein lies the weakness of modern Christian thought EL3. The deciever when he comes in the end times will blind the people of the world with a silver tounge. Much as Hitler did. He had charisma, crowd prescence, and one of the best propaganda ministers that ever lived, Joseph Goebbels. However sick and demented Hitler was he was far from an idiot and he certainly was not insane. Never underestimate the propensity of Satan as the deciever. As soon as we think to ourselves "well he's not even a high school graduate" we have underestimated the power of the adversary.
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Amen!
(p.s. - Hitler barely had the equivalent of a 6th grade education, and no Biology science training whatsoever.)
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LOL el. Trust me, life is too short to split hairs such as this. I think that many times as a result of our inevitable persecution as Christians we become so defensive that we are willing, wether subconsciencly or not, to attack people with whatever means that we find necessary. This however is lying, fanatical behavior that should be checked immediately.
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...obviously, another soldier from Satan's army, sent running for the hills, inna Quasimodo slouch, arms swinging wildly... ![[thumbsup2]](graemlins/thumbsup2.gif)
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Well, boo-hoo on me, then. ![[crying]](graemlins/crying.gif)
I won't respond. So read on...
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There is still a question that I asked in my first post that I would like an answer to if you could please.
Where on this sight did you see that this guy proclamed Hittler as his God?
Now, seriously, you don't think he'd come right out and make such a claim do you???
They are much more subtle than that!
One needs discernment.
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Hello again!
EL3LN3TN I am sorry that I don't have the time to make reply to everything that you are saying. As for your last post,
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Hear this page to show for how all the atheist and theyre HATE for creationist-WARNING this for to be XXXrated part of my websitesministrey
If the things contained in this sight were posted without the warning that he gave,(wich in no way resembles the warning that you gave us in your link) I would have to say you were right in your concern to warn us.
This is the warning that I found concerning the things that he posted on his sight.
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Warning: What you will read on this page, plus the sites I will be linking to. Are not children friendly. These sites are X rated in the comments, and sexual suggestions they make. I do advise for any Christian who is not strong in the faith, to not read what is on this page, or on the links I will be leaving here. Upon reading anything below, or beyond this page means you have read this warning, and will not hold person who owns this site liable for content.
The warning that he gave in no way resembles the warning that you made referance to. Your portrayal of his warning seemes to me to be way out of context and misquoted.
From what I saw everything that he posted on this part of his sight was to show the things that some of the evolutionists are posting on there sight's. I don't beleive that he posted them to be perverted but to show how perverted and degrading some that beleive in evolution have become.
The quotes and pictures that he provides come from sight's that promote evolution and poke fun at those that beleive that GOD created us.I beleive he gives fair warning to all who would look.
There is still a question that I asked in my first post that I would like an answer to if you could please.
Where on this sight did you see that this guy proclamed Hittler as his God?
You gave us a warniing in the first reply to me that you made we all should take head to.
[QUOTE] Mistrust anyone claiming to give you **special** or privy information that "they won't tell you" - 9 times out of 10 it's a lie, just made up by the person presenting it, or just plain WRONG.
You seem to have alot to say but if you can't give an answer for where you saw on this guy's sight that he proclaimed Hitler as his God then shouldn't we mistrust anything you have to say.
I think this is espesially true in that you are the one that started this blog with the very statement that I am questioning.
There is no need for you to make a reply to my post unless you can give an answer to this question because I can't seem to trust anything you have to say.
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View Senator Kennedy's history of traffic violations.
- Learn why George Killen , the State Police Detective-Lieutenant who investigated the accident, said that Senator Kennedy "killed that girl the same as if he put a gun to her head and pulled the trigger."
That's no real big shock ...one could easily expect an Officer of the State (the prosecuting! side) to say something that colorful, that would stir-up the maximum prejudice in a courtroom jury situation, or whatever...
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Was there a Darwin and Hitler connection?
In this section of the website. You will see things that are not taught in any school about Darwin, and what His theory of evolution did.
Mistrust anyone claiming to give you **special** or privy information that "they won't tell you" - 9 times out of 10 it's a lie, just made up by the person presenting it, or just plain WRONG.
An example: Darwin did not invent "His" theory of evolution, as claimed. The development of evolutionary biology models was a parallel development throughout British & European academia throughout most of the 1800's.
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How thousands of people were killed in it's name.
..."In the name of evolution??" Can that be backed-up with valid historical evidence? I assume this is a reference to the NAZI holocaust, but hard to tell. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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How our schools have become examples of the survival of the fittest, and natural selection as each students kills one another.
Sure..uh-huh...ALL U.S. schools are 100% war-zones, all the time with casualties in the thousands. This is nothing but hysterical, inflammatory hogwash.
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And evolution is in the middle of it. This page will consists of different pictures of things you will see discussed in later pages in this section.
...sorry, can't really tell what is meant by "evolution is in the middle of it" other than somebody REALLY needs a scape goat....or all those thousands of schoolkids...are knowingly killing each other over "evolution"...HUH???
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My wording I guess could lead one to believe Ted Kennedy was a child molester and there is no evidence that he is guilty of that, it was not my intention, just bad grammar.
But on the drunken negligence and the death of Mary Jo Kopechne, if it had been an ordinary citizen, there would have been a trail and conviction of Ted Kennedy on murder charges!
See Police diver John Farrar's testimony suggesting that Mary Jo Kopechne survived for as long as two hours in the submerged automobile by breathing a pocket of trapped air.
Learn how Senator Kennedy spent the nine hours after the accident attempting to cover-up his involvement, while Mary Jo Kopechne was left to die in his submerged automobile.
View Senator Kennedy's history of traffic violations.
- Learn why George Killen , the State Police Detective-Lieutenant who investigated the accident, said that Senator Kennedy "killed that girl the same as if he put a gun to her head and pulled the trigger."
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Sorry about the previous post haveing some things left out but I had made some changes and went to preveiw it and accidently posted it instead.
I am not very familiar with how this all works so it might take me a while to get the hang of it. Hope that anyone who reads it will at least partly see where I was comeing from.
One of the magor things that I saw missing to my last post was a paragraph from the sight that, EL3LN3TN had given a link to.
If I knew how I would post the same link in my own post but have to say that I am not sure how to do it.
But just to let anyone interested see the paragraph I had refered to I will post it again here,
Was there a Darwin and Hitler connection?
In this section of the website. You will see things that are not taught in any school about Darwin, and what His theory of evolution did. How thousands of people were killed in it's name. How our schools have become examples of the survival of the fittest, and natural selection as each students kills one another. And evolution is in the middle of it. This page will consists of different pictures of things you will see discussed in later pages in this section.
Hope this makes my last post a little more understandable.
Sorry about all of the mistakes I ment to warn all that read that I am not very good at spelling or at puntuation. So anything I write might be a chalange to read.
Thank's for understanding!
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Hello everyone! I have to start by saying that anything that I say should not just be taken as the truth just because I post on this sight. I am not a theologin of any sorts and to tell the truth I still have allot that I don't understand.
I have wanted to post since I first saw this post but have because of all of the above.
I want to make this post in direction to EL3LN3TN and some of the things that he said in his first post.
Here is one such Pitiful Creature who declares ADOLF HITLER to be his God!! WARNING- Material on this website is not suitable for children!!
I know that the direction to most of the post's that I have seen here have been in regard to Judjement. I don't mean to change the subject but I have to ask the one that started this blog where he came to some of the conclusions that he did.
First I was woundering where on this sight did you see that this guy proclamed Hittler as his God?
I haven't had the time to look throught the whole sight but the only thing that I have seen so far in referance to Hittler is in an artical that from what I understood was showing how the lie of evolution has been an influance in the lives of Hittler in what he did to the Jew's, and how it had influance in the lives of the kids that did the evil things they did atthe School in Colimbine. I don't beleive that this guy proclamed Hittler as his God.
this is a paragraph from an artical that I found on his sight.
"Was there a Darwin and Hitler connection?
I didn't take the time to read the whole artical but just from the statements that he has made in his frist paragraph I can't imagine this guy proclaming Hittler as his God.
Another thing I have to ask is,
What was it on the websight you linked us to that was so offensive you gave warning that people shouldn't let there kid's go to it?
What I saw seemed to have been comeing from the perspective of a man that Loves the LORD and wants to do what he can to make his faith in GOD as the Creator known. As I said before I have not taken the time to check out the entire sight but I did't see anything offensive.
From what I saw he beleives in a literal 6 day creation by GOD and he is trying his best to warn people of the influance of evolution.
I just don't know where you have came to the conclusions that you have. If I am missing something please let me know but I am just not seeing what you said that I would see.
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sorry about that. sometimes, my mind works weird. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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It's actually tax evasion...but maybe your term drives a point home as well!
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The first reaction I had, was also disbelief that a tax invader should get more time, then child molesters. He even got more time then some killers.
I don't even know the man, but there is something wrong with our justice system. Here in Washington State, two cops and a citizen, were killed by men and women out on parole, who their parole officers knew they were still breaking the law over and over and refused to revoke their parole. The Governer is now demanding justice. But who knows how far that will go. The truth is the lady in front of the court house is not only blind, but dumb, sometimes.
Yes, tax invasion is wrong, but not as bad as molesting a child or murder.
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sorry I did not know they had sentenced him...
but that doesn't change the hypocrisy of a judicial system that treat a tax cheat (like Ken Hovind) with greater severity than a child molester or a murderer ( like Ted Kennedy) or alcoholics that kill and cripple thousands every year.
I'm not necessarily a Ted Kennedy apologist, but that seems a bit irresponsible - I'm not aware that the senator has ever stood trial, or found to be guilty of child molestation or murder.
btw - can you cite any source evidence that Martha Stewart is "not a Christian", or is that just your own judgement?
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http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070119/NEWS01/701190332/1006
Prior to his sentencing, a tearful Kent Hovind, also known as "Dr. Dino" asked for ... He faced a maximum of 288 years in prison.
sorry I did not know they had sentenced him...
but that doesn't change the hypocrisy of a judicial system that treat a tax cheat (like Ken Hovind) with greater severity than a child molester or a murderer ( like Ted Kennedy) or alcoholics that kill and cripple thousands every year.
and let us also remember... Martha Stewart... the homemaking diva was sentenced to five months in prison and two years' probation Friday for lying to investigators about her sale of ImClone Systems stock in late 2001.
why did she get treated so merciful?
she stole more money and got less time than Hovind...
because she wasn't a Christian, because the IRS wasn't trying to make an example for all 5013c members
Blessed are the merciful for they shall receive mercy
Those who experience poverty of spirit, mourning, meekness, or an insatiable hunger for God are continually surprised by God’s grace and by God’s blessings. When they discover themselves within God’s kingdom or receiving divine comfort they won’t be people that just horde this to themselves. They will seek to spread the good news of God’s grace to all they know. Like the woman who washed Jesus’ feet with her hair, they will extend great mercy because they have received it.
The Greek word for mercy can also be translated “compassion”. Compassion means to “suffer with”. To suffer with someone means to enter into their experience, their struggles and to share their pain and sorrow. Mercy is more than a feeling. It requires a response. The Greek word for mercy is also used to translate the Old Testament word “hesed” which is used to describe God’s steadfast love-God’s relentless affection and willingness to forgive those what he has chosen to be his people.
What does mercy look like? How do we become merciful? The first four beatitudes get us focused in the right direction-off of ourselves and hungry for God. Mercy requires that we learn to see people differently. We must see their need, however hidden or obvious that need may be. But we must do more than see their need. Mercy involves action. That is why the prophet Micah said “He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.” Loving mercy requires action and cries out for justice.
Twice in the book of Matthew in verses 9:13 and 12:7, Jesus says to the Pharisees, go and learn what this means, “I desire mercy, not sacrifice.” These passages can give us some insight into what Jesus means by mercy.
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...btw...Houston...we still have problems...
The Hovind apologist???
This is just too hilarious:
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Are you worried about the damage to the image of this ministry? If I worried about what everyone thought about this ministry, it would not be what it is today. The only person any ministry should worry about, is the one person in which each ministry should be based upon, which is God.
Point #1. Persons who pose rhetorical, made-up questions, and then turn around and "answer" their own questions are either clinically schizophrenic, impulsive liars, or likely BOTH.
Point #2 The "ministry" referred to here is a straight up LIE, it's a website run by one person and is NOT a legitimate ministry at all...which brings us to the next point...
Point #3 It kind of obviously suggests that the "PERSON" running that website has just declared himself to be God.
<LOL> With nitwit "friends" like this - who needs enemies??
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Hovind received a 10 year sentence.
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I thinks it is humorous that Ken Hovind would get 288 years in prison for a violation of a tax law, and a child molester gets a 3 month community service penalty.
I can judge right and wrong, I can try to restore a brother or sister in Christ that has went astray with gentleness and long suffering, I can in the framework of the Body of Christ, if they are unrepentant put them out of the Church, but I can not judge who will or will not have eternal life (Heaven or hell) that is Yahweh call only.
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There is none so blind as he who will not see.
Matthew 7
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
You and everyone else WILL be judged by what the bible says, if you like it or not. We can judge things by what the bible tells us. Sticking your head in the sand and acting like everything is OK will not change this on judgement day.
This is a warning against self-righteous severity, not a command to be neutral toward moral issues.
"You're not supposed to judge me!"
This is a verse that is often said and, often misused. In other words, its taken out of context. The people that use this verse often use it to stop me (or others) from pointing out their sinful life and their need for salvation. This verse even has some Christians confused, and it hinders their attempts to share the gospel. To convince them that they need salvation, you first must convince them of their sin.
I get so tired of people using this verse to tell everyone not to say any thing about sin. It is not a verse to tell us to keep quit on sin. We are to expose sin!
Jesus Christ is the one whom stated the below, and we are to be like him:
MATTHEW 23: Jesus publicly rebuked the hypocrites, "Woe unto you... hypocrites!...ye blind guides...fools...full of extortion and excess...whited sepulchres...full of hypocrisy and iniquity...Woe unto you...Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"
Judge not, that ye be not judged. We cannot help judging. Gossip is a mass of verdicts on our neighbor's conduct, and everybody talks about his neighbors. Politics, national or international, is considerably concerned with judgments. These are inevitable: appraisals are a stock in trade of the mind. Ethical verdicts gather into worthy tradition. Who can rightly remain silent in face of flagrant wrong? So we must be clear about the meaning of this word: Jesus here speaks of censorious judgment and too quick condemnation. He draws a line between ethical appraisal and sharp-tongued criticism, and bids us keep on the right side of the line. He says that critical censure is a boomerang.
This does not mean that we are to stick our head in the sand and not judge every spirit!
1 John 4:1-3 (KJV)
1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
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There is confusion about judging, I do believe. I believe we are told to judge a person by their fruits. This is espeically important with Church Leaders and Preachers. We are to judge their fruit and if it is bad fruit, we are to mark them as bad, and no longer listen to them. This is not about us judging a person's heart but about judging their fruit. We do not go out on fishing expeditions looking for people to tear down, but when we come across a person who is out there spreading false teaching we are suppose to warn the sheep. If we stay silent while our fellow sheep are led down the wrong path then we become a part of the sin being done by the preacher or speaker. On the internet, there are many who speak in the Name of God, who are of the devil. We must warn the sheep of the wolf in sheep clothing.
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P.S. You might wonder why I am pasionate about this subject. I have relatives that have bought into many strange things because the speaker wore a suit and was on a preacher on TV. I have even made them mad when I warn them of these people, but they to began to pay more attention after my warning, and soon realized I spoke the truth.
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Amen!...but uh...wait a minute..."WE" did'nt judge Hovind, the IRS and U.S. legal system did.
Yes, he was rightfully judged through the judicial system. Done deal. We don't know his heart, so what right do we have to judge his salvation. It is none of our business. That is between him and God.
Let's look at the scriptures you gave us David, which you say give us permission to judge.
"Matthew 7:1-5 Clearly, it is hypocritical judgment that this Scripture condemns. (Look at verse 6, and 13-15 to see that Christ actually instructs them to make judgments!) "
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves "
I don't see anything in the above scriptures giving us permission to judge.
"ACTS 7:51: Deacon Stephen said to the mob that ended up stoning him, "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in hearts and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye." (Read the whole chapter - No fear-of-man patty cake "
This is speaking about an openly-defiant peoples who ended up stoning Sephen . It isn't talking about a fellow member in the Body of Christ who stumbled.
Psalm37: 28 For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. 29 The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever. 30The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.
31The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide. 32The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him. 33The LORD will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged
Let's put Psalm 37:30 in its proper context.This is speaking about the author's own happy final judgemnt and it is spoken of in a very positive way.
"Isaiah 58:1Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins"
Show them their wicked ways, but it doesn't say to judge them
"John 7:14 ( should be verse 24 )24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
The Jews were judging Jesus in this passage for breaking the law of the Sabbath. He is telling them not to judge by mere appearance ,but to look beneath the surface so they can judge correctly
"Luke 12:57Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right? "
Jesus is asking the hypocrites "How do you not know how to judge what is right?"
"Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. 4And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him. "
The above is saying that we should rebuke someone if they trespass against us. It doesn't say to judge them
"John 12 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day"
The above is speaking about God's judgment, not ours.
I gave a few examples of the scriptures you quoted David, and not one of them sheds any light on how we should judge Kent Hovind.
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man, that's about 15 different threads up there!
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Originally posted by Good NewsforAll:
When people start judging others, the thought immediately pops into my mind as to what skeletons they may have in their own closets.
"Hovind broke the law, why should he still be considered inside the body of Christ? Does one sin condemn you? If you ask forgivness, and repent. Would not Christ forgive? Then who are we to make such judgements about people Christ has forgiven? We are not supposed to judge. For can anyone take the place of God? For who is the only real being that will make the decision about who enters heaven? So if you judge Hovind here, you are trying to be God here. Can you say you have such knowledge as God to make such judgements? And if so, I'd like to see verses supporting such knowledge."
Amen!!!
Amen!...but uh...wait a minute..."WE" did'nt judge Hovind, the IRS and U.S. legal system did.
....and..."So if you judge Hovind here, you are trying to be God here." what in the world is this guy on his own website trying to say, after he has just judged that Hovind was too involved with "carnal affairs"??? Nonsense!..but the Hovind apologist is apparently "God" on his own little website.
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"JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED"
is often quoted by THE HYPOCRITES to those who
PUBLICLY OPPOSE SIN.
Let's look at the passage in its context:
MATTHEW 7:1-5:
"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull the mote out of thine eye; and behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast the mote out of thy brother's eye."
Clearly, it is hypocritical judgment that this Scripture condemns. (Look at verse 6, and 13-15 to see that Christ actually instructs them to make judgments!) A hypocritical judgment is judging something for something of which you are also guilty - LIKE TELLING ME NOT TO JUDGE WHEN YOU ARE JUDGING ME! This passage means the opposite of what hypocrites often interpret it to mean! Jesus’ point is for hypocrites to pluck the beam of sin out of their own eye so that they can see clearly to cast the mote out of their neighbor’s eye.
Let's look at some other Scriptures...
JOHN 7:14: "Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
LUKE 12:57: "Yea, and why not even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?"
PSALM 37:30: "The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment."
PROVERBS 31:9: "Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy."
LUKE 17:3: "Take heed... If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him."
LEVITICUS 19:15-17: "Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbor. Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbor: I am the Lord. Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbor, and not suffer sin upon him."
EZEKIEL 22:2 & 23:36: "Now, thou son of man, wilt thou judge, wilt thou judge the bloody city? Yea, thou shalt show her all her abominations... The Lord said moreover unto me, Son of man, wilt thou judge Aholah and Aholibah? Yea, declare unto them their abominations."
ISAIAH 58:1: "Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew My people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins."
MATTHEW 3:2,7: John the Baptist preaching, "Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?"
MATTHEW 23: Jesus publicly rebuked the hypocrites, "Woe unto you... hypocrites!...ye blind guides...fools...full of extortion and excess...whited sepulchres...full of hypocrisy and iniquity...Woe unto you...Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"
ACTS 7:51: Deacon Stephen said to the mob that ended up stoning him, "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in hearts and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye." (Read the whole chapter - No fear-of-man patty cake here!)
ACTS 13:10: The Apostle Paul says to a man who hindered the Gospel, "O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?"
ACTS 8:20-23: Here the Apostle Peter severely rebukes a baby Christian who commits one sin: "Thy money perish with thee... Thy heart is not right in the sight of God.Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitter-ness, and in the bond of iniquity."
I CORINTHIANS 2:15; 6:2-3: "He that is spiritual judgeth all things... Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? How much more things that pertain to this life?"
JOHN 3:18-19: "He that believeth on Him (JESUS) is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already,because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
JOHN 12:48: JESUS CHRIST said, "He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."
***It is God that sets the standard and passes the judgment. We simply pass on the information.
No man has any right to define what is right and wrong - ONLY God! Those who reject God's laws and judgments and trust in their own judgments are the ones guilty of judging in the worst sense of the word. For example, the person that says premarital sex is okay is judging just as much as the person who says it is sin. What right do you have to judge another human being? (It works both ways.) God is the ultimate Judge, and it is up to us to submit unto His judgments. The Psalmist said,
"With my lips have I declared all the judgments of THY mouth." (Psalm 119:13) Whose judgments do you declare?
QUESTION: What are God's judgments?
Here are some...
*IDOLATERS (those who love self, anyone, or anything more than their God) are headed for the lake of fire
*THOSE WHO TAKE GOD'S NAME IN VAIN and THOSE WHO CURSE THEIR NEIGHBORS will be cursed by God
*THOSE WHO DISHONOR THEIR PARENTS will be damned forever
*THOSE WHO INDULGE IN PREMARITAL SEX or EXTRAMARITAL SEX will suffer the eternal torments of fire and brimstone
*HOMOSEXUALS will bear the fierce vengeance of their HOLY CREATOR on the Day of Woe and Doom
*FILTHY PORN-ADDICTS will suffer everlasting punishments
*DRUNKARDS will sup the cup of the wrath of Almighty God
*THOSE WHO MURDER (esp. PRO-CHOICERS who murder innocent babies) will experience the terrible second death
*WITCHES AND SORCERERS will bow to Jesus and confess He is Lord before being bound hand and foot and cast into hell
*LIARS will be condemned by their own words
*THIEVES will pay for their crimes in the courtroom of eternal justice
*THOSE WHO DO NOT SUBMIT TO JESUS will be judged "Guilty" by Him on JUDGMENT DAY, and be cast into eternal hellfire
(See Exodus 20, I Corin. 6:9-11, Galat. 5:19-21, Matt. 5:27-30, Ephes. 5:5-6, Colos. 3:5-6, Revel. 21:8 & 22:14-15...)
***The Bible tells us why so many do not understand preaching on judgment. It is because they are evil fools, destitute of all wisdom and knowledge!
"EVIL MEN understand not judgment, but they that seek the Lord understand all things." (Proverbs 28:5). "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but FOOLS despise wisdom and instruction." (Prov.1:7; see also Prov.9:7-10)
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." Written by King Solomon, the wisest man that ever lived, in Ecclesiastes 12:13-14.
FEAR GOD and REPENT of ALL your sins NOW!
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When people start judging others, the thought immediately pops into my mind as to what skeletons they may have in their own closets.
"Hovind broke the law, why should he still be considered inside the body of Christ? Does one sin condemn you? If you ask forgivness, and repent. Would not Christ forgive? Then who are we to make such judgements about people Christ has forgiven? We are not supposed to judge. For can anyone take the place of God? For who is the only real being that will make the decision about who enters heaven? So if you judge Hovind here, you are trying to be God here. Can you say you have such knowledge as God to make such judgements? And if so, I'd like to see verses supporting such knowledge."
Amen!!!
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