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WKUHilltopper
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More on how the UN oversteps it's bounds and authority...
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Constitution threatened by homeschool case
Expert: U.S. parent-led education endangered by U.N. children's protocol
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Posted: August 12, 2006
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Đ 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
A couple in Brussels has been threatened with criminal neglect for schooling their children at home, and a U.S. expert on the issue told WorldNetDaily the case actually could pose a threat to the sovereignty of the U.S. Constitution.
That's because if the basis for the legal arguments being made by Belgian prosecutors ever would be accepted in or imposed upon -- the United States, that fact would make the U.N. protocol equal to the Constitution.
In the case at hand, Alexandra Cohen has published a piece on the Brussels Journal website that her husband, Paul Belien, the website editor, was called to police headquarters, questioned, and threatened with criminal negligence counts because their children are homeschooled.
"He was told that the Belgian authorities are of the opinion that, as a homeschooler, he has not adequately educated his children and, hence, is neglecting his duty as a parent, which is a criminal offense," she wrote.
What terrifies U.S. homeschool education experts is the authorities' decision to cite the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child as a legal argument.
That 1990s-era document was ratified quickly by 192 nations worldwide, but not the United States or Somalia. In Somalia, there was then no recognized government to do the formal recognition, and in the United States there's been opposition to its power.
"(The treaty) would become the supreme law of the land," Chris Klicka, the senior counsel for the Home School Legal Defense Association, told WND. In conflicts with the Constitution, the treaty easily could prevail, he said.
"Our worst fears are being realized as we see these other European countries feeling the pressure because they did sign on and enter into this treaty," he said. "Britain, for instance, had a report done by the (U.N.) Committee of 10 and they got chastised because they were allowing corporal punishment."
Although signed under the Clinton Administration, the U.S. Senate never has ratified the treaty, largely because of conservatives' efforts to point out it would create that list of rights which primarily would be enforced against parents.
The Convention is an international treaty that creates specific civil, economic, social, cultural and even economic rights for every child. It is monitored by the U.N. Committee on the Rights of the Child, which conceivably has enforcement powers.
Under the U.N. protocol, a child could have an abortion without telling her parents, while at the same time forcing them to pay for it. A generic description of the treaty calls it "child-centric." But Klicka's HSLDA is more specific.
The U.S. Constitution's Supremacy Clause requires that "all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land," the HSLDA said.
That would mean any state law relating to child custody, the family, education, adoption, child pornography and dozens of other issues could be nullified in an instant, the group said.
Under the protocol, children would be vested with freedom of expression, so that "any attempts (by parents) to prevent their children from interacting with material parents deem unacceptable is forbidden."
Reaching to the far end of that logic would produce this result: your 6-year-old wants Playboy magazine, or even to visit a Playboy club, and you pay for it.
Parents who fail would be subjected to "identification, reporting, referral, investigation, treatment, and follow-up."
Klicka said the HSLDA is not directly involved in the Brussels case, although he has contacted the couple's legal counsel and has offered assistance if needed.
In the report by Cohen, she said the couple's four oldest children were homeschooled, and have moved on to the university level.
"Our youngest child is also being homeschooled, but she has yet to obtain her high school certificate, for which she is currently taking exams," she said. Those exams will be taken before the nation's Central Examination Board, of the Ministry of Education.
"The Belgian Constitution, written in 1831, allows parents to homeschool," she wrote. "The CEB exists to enable people who have not attended or who have failed school to obtain an official high school certificate."
The number of homeschooled students in Belgium, although small in number at about 500, has quadrupled in the past five years "as parents are seceding from the official schools where drugs and violence are rampant and pupils are indoctrinated with political correctness," she wrote.
That, she said, "clearly bothers the authorities," who recently introduced a legislative plan that cites the U.N. protocol and obliges homeschooling parents to sign "an official 'declaration of homeschooling' in which they agree to school their children 'respecting the respect (sic) for the fundamental human rights and the cultural values of the child itself and others.'"
She and her husband refused, and now the Ministry of Education believes they have violated the law, she said.
The only response from the Minister of Education, Frank Vandenbroucke, came through a spokesman who said in a local newspaper that in Belgium homeschoolers are required to sign a document that requires them to follow the protocols of the U.N. Convention.
"These parents have not done this. This is why the ministry has started an inquiry," he said.
Klicka noted that even if the Senate never ratifies the protocol, it could be dumped on the United States by the ruling of an activist judge.
"The fact that virtually every other nation in the world has adopted it has made it part of customary international law, and it means that it should be considered part of American jurisprudence," Cohen wrote.
In an earlier critique, HSLDA President Michael Farris noted the protocol essentially would move any rights that parents now have to social workers, who could make any decision concerning children and force compliance.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51484
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Many organizations have scandals. Humans and human. When a scandal is discovered I do agree it needs to be dealt with and safeguards put in place to help prevent it from happening again.
Megachurches, small churches, individual Christian families... scandals. I donīt discredit an organization because of scandals. If I did, there is no way I would be anywhere near a church. Republicans have had loads of scandals. So have Democrats. Americans, Europeans, Africans, Asians. Scandals.
I think a difference I have with most of you, is that I believe it is possible for a non-Christian, or a secular organization, to do good. It doesnīt mean they are from God, but they are bearing more fruit for some reason than many Christians who spend their time judging people.
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Bill Clinton head of UN
THAT would be scary
(rules actually PREVENT anyone from America from heading UN though)
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One only has to look at what Kofanani's(spell?) son did with all that oil for food program business to see where the UN's priorities lye.
Maybe whats needed in the UN is a change in whose running it. I hear Ex-Pres. Bill Clinton is up for the next head seat appointed. humm makes one wonder.
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What % of the world economy does the US account for? You expect the Congo to be able to contribute equally?
What's your point? The UN developed these markets, technologies, businesses for the US? LOL! Why is this even relative? What has the UN even done for us other than be a thorn in our side? The UN has tried to limit our economic success! I don't expect the Congo to pay a red cent and in the same token I don't expect the USA to pay a red cent either.
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Answer this WKUHilltopper: If the US pulling out of the UN meant that 1,000,000 more kids would die of starvation, would you support that?
This is all conjecture and a nonsensical question. You're suggesting, without data, that the nearly 1/2 of Billion dollars in UN dues will cause a million kids to starve. If 1/2 billion dollars only feeds a million kids, then they truly are wasting money on themselves and buying too many Mercedes.
But to answer your question, I'd rather give that country or those people our share of UNs dues directly to those who are starving. No one can tell me what the UN pulls out of it's own pocket to pay for food. Not even on the UN's own website! This suggests to me that they don't want you to know and it's an insignificant amount. And I can guarantee if they only have a $2 billion dollar budget(or 2 Billion pound budget) as suggested eariler, they aren't feeding much anyway--except themselves!
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"The United Nations is the greatest fraud in history. It's purpose is to destroy the United States."
- John E. Rankin
a U.S. Congressman
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freddy, you are OH SO deceived.
You keep lining up with the ENEMIES of Yahweh, that is NOT a very good place to be.
If you think that the UN is NOT against Yahweh you are deep deep in deception.
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Originally posted by WKUHilltopper:
Interesting, the US is one country, but contributes over 21% of the UN's total budget. Time to blow this joint!
What % of the world economy does the US account for? You expect the Congo to be able to contribute equally?
Answer this WKUHilltopper: If the US pulling out of the UN meant that 1,000,000 more kids would die of starvation, would you support that?
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Originally posted by WKUHilltopper:
I read your link...I got a good education on statistics, who was hungry, etc. But not one COMMENT on how they paid for it. Although you can make a donation to them. I bet anything they aren't paying for this out of their own funds! They want someone else to pay for it.
This is how they pay for it:
http://www.globalpolicy.org/finance/assessmt/dues2005.pdf
The US in 2006 is due to pay approx $423m out of a total budget of Ģ2bn - NOT more than everyone else put together as you may read on some of little web links that people have posted.
As ever, 'the truth shall set ye free'.
Thanks for the link...I'll check it out later. Interesting, the US is one country, but contributes over 21% of the UN's total budget. Time to blow this joint!
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Originally posted by WKUHilltopper:
I read your link...I got a good education on statistics, who was hungry, etc. But not one COMMENT on how they paid for it. Although you can make a donation to them. I bet anything they aren't paying for this out of their own funds! They want someone else to pay for it.
This is how they pay for it:
http://www.globalpolicy.org/finance/assessmt/dues2005.pdf
The US in 2006 is due to pay approx $423m out of a total budget of Ģ2bn - NOT more than everyone else put together as you may read on some of little web links that people have posted.
As ever, 'the truth shall set ye free'.
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Originally posted by wparr:
Well ahar, the UN is AGAINST Yahweh and His people.
They will be a tool of the anti-Messiah.
They will be used to bring about a dead nuetral one word religion.
They will be on the WRONG side in the final battle.
So if you see them as GOOD, you are standing in the WRONG place, with a WRONG view.
Try getting a SCRIPTURAL view of the world.
It doesn't surprise me that the UK, with the heretical Church of England leading they way, would try to comicalize something as ESENTIAL as being born-again.
John 3:3
Y'shua answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
I'm not too much of a conspiracy type guy, but this quote, if true, is quite ominous. I'd like to find the original source for this. I'm tempted not to believe it until I find it.
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"No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation."
David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations
Now whether the UN is a conduit for Satan and will use it to take over, I haven't a clue. My issue is the UN is worthless and a threat to our sovernigty.
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Originally posted by WKUHilltopper:
Maybe they are feeding people, but I don't believe it. If they're buying food, it's only to line their own pockets. I recall when their little UNICEF people would bang on your door on Halloween wanting pennies to "feed people" about 30 years ago. Come to find out later on that most of that money was given to Marxist regimes in Africa. I guess Commies get hungry too.
How many wars has the UN prevented? There must be about 100 worldwide right now. Why haven't these been prevented? It's because they're ineffective and too busy trying to impress each other with elitist positions. They don't do much else either other than trying to dictate modifications to our constitution--like the 2nd Amendment. And I certainly don't appreciate our soldiers being ordered to do their dirty work.
All I'd need to be is President for one day and this circus is over--and you'd get your tax dollars refunded.
I won't be happy until we raze that joint and kick those thieves into the sea...
Hunger Facts
If you choose not to believe something, I guess I hope no hope of convincing you otherwise... but check out the link read through the page. See if the love of Christ can move you to grieve... Or see if your heart is too hardend by your political views to care.
WFP (UNīs World Food Program) food saved 19 million flood victims in Bangladesh in 1998. Australia's population is is 19.7 million
Source: WFP Hunger Facts, February 2003
WFP saved 18 million people in southern Africa's 1992 drought - the population of Switzerland & Belgium
Source: WFP Hunger Facts, February 2003
WFP food has reached 1.2 billion of the world's poor in the past 40 years - almost India's population
Source: WFP Hunger Facts, February 2003
The source for these facts is the UN, so I guess they are all fake and made up to line the pockets of UN Staff ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Oh, and speaking of lining pockets... check out the average pastorīs salary and compare it to the average Africanīs salary. From the perspective of the poor African, I bet it looks like many pastors are lining their pockets. (and for the record, I donīt think most pastorīs are in it for the money...)
Question: And where'd the money come from to feed these people? The UN has the ability to raise taxes, generate it's own revenue? Each country, mainly the USA funds this outfit, how much of these funds came from "dues"? I bet zero! Maybe they used the money from their "Oil for Food" ripoff! Right! LOL! This is exactly why the UN didn't want anything to happen to Iraq...because they knew this would come out!
I read your link...I got a good education on statistics, who was hungry, etc. But not one COMMENT on how they paid for it. Although you can make a donation to them. I bet anything they aren't paying for this out of their own funds! They want someone else to pay for it.
I don't make donations unless I know what their General and Administrative costs are (I wouldn't be surprised if it's not over 50% which is probably why there's no disclosure) and there's certainly no financial disclosure. Heck, they even have a program you can work for food. Never mind if you're starving, you'll have to build some bridge for them to eat! And they don't pay you in money.
I say torch this den of theives!
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Because you don't want to. Because you have an inbuilt prjudice against the UN.
Perhaps you have a built-in disposition and prejudice to believe the UN. I'd love to believe in the Easter Bunny, but the facts pretty much speak for themselves.
I'm still waiting for my refunds from UNICEF after they were caught secretly funding Marxist projects. I'm still awaiting justice to be served in the "Oil for Food" fraud.
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Since Iīm not a fan of "thread jacking" on message boards I will avoid turning this thread in to a debate on the genuineness of my faith regardless of the efforts of others. If you really care to know, feel free to start a thread on "The Faith of Freddy05". Send me a PM when its set up and where its located and Iīll be happy to participate.
I understand that in the interpertation of most conservative american evangelical christians, it has become almost universally accepted that the UN will be the "one world government". At times in history "Genuine Christians" were also convinced this "one world government" was the Roman Empire, the British Empire, the French under Napolean, the League of Nations, the United States, and now the UN. And Iīm probably missing a few too. There may well be another 100 world organizations suspected of being the "one world government" before this is all said and done. Or maybe things will happen in a completely different sense thatīs more symbolic. I simply donīt know. And you all donīt know either.
And for that... I am not going to cast judgement on a group that has done more to cure disease, feed the hungry, and work to promote peace than the "evangelicals" ever have done, and unless there is some big change, ever will do.
If you feed the hungry, help them develop economically, show concern for their situation, and do something about it.... I think people would be much more open to hearing what this Lord of ours has to say. Rather than showing up, handing out some used T-Shirts, playing some games with the kids, giving a free bible, then telling them to accept Jesus if they donīt want to go to hell...
And I too, am still waiting for someone to have a good debate with... not someone who just posts page after page of someone elses opinion from some far right website. Or someone who just resorts to "You disagree with me therefore you have ingenuine faith."
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Well ahar, the UN is AGAINST Yahweh and His people.
They will be a tool of the anti-Messiah.
They will be used to bring about a dead nuetral one word religion.
They will be on the WRONG side in the final battle.
So if you see them as GOOD, you are standing in the WRONG place, with a WRONG view.
Try getting a SCRIPTURAL view of the world.
It doesn't surprise me that the UK, with the heretical Church of England leading they way, would try to comicalize something as ESENTIAL as being born-again.
John 3:3
Y'shua answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
Ah, the basis of your objection to the UN is YOUR interpretation of revelation and the belief that we are really close to the end. Well, EVERYONE throughout history who has thought the end is near has been wrong so far (obviously, as we're still here), so I don't think using where you might think an organisation or person fits into revelations to determine whether they are evil is a very reliable guide.
I prefer to look at the facts of the organisation. You may not agree with the politics of the UN, but you've seeminly no answer to the fact that there are thousands of people doing incredibly good things across the world under the banner of the UN. Just because it may have a few things wrong does not make it evil.
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Well ahar, the UN is AGAINST Yahweh and His people.
They will be a tool of the anti-Messiah.
They will be used to bring about a dead nuetral one word religion.
They will be on the WRONG side in the final battle.
So if you see them as GOOD, you are standing in the WRONG place, with a WRONG view.
Try getting a SCRIPTURAL view of the world.
It doesn't surprise me that the UK, with the heretical Church of England leading they way, would try to comicalize something as ESENTIAL as being born-again.
John 3:3
Y'shua answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
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The innate anti-semitism of the Europeans will destroy them.
The wearing of a Palistinian headress by Prime Minister Zapatero of Spain is one psychological manifestation of "identification with the agressor" called "anticipatory compliance." It can be seen in abused children, hostages (part of Stockholm syndrome) and people who see themselves in "no win' situations.
The Europeans are held hostage by oil rich Arab countries. They fear the single minded determination of the fanatic Moslems to conquer the world. The danger that fascists of any kind pose, whether racist (Nazis) ideological (Stalinists) or religious (Islamists) is their single mindededness. They have no qualms about using any means, including strapping bombs to their own children, to achieve of world domination. The Europeans are psychologically overwhelmed by this and cannot muster the psychological fortitude to resist . The Spanish know their own capacity for evil. Now they must fight with an enemy that is capable of even greater evil.
After the Madrid bombings, the Spanish were so terrified they decided that appeasement is their best reponse. In order to justify this cowardice they castigate Israel in anticipation of future Moslem control. Good Luck.
Already one of the Islamo-Fascist commanders has given himself the name "Al Andalusi" in the expectation of being the future conqueror of Spain. When the mad mullahs take over Spain, legalize pedophilia (in Iran the legal age of marriage for girls is nine) enforce Shariya law and take Spain back to the dark ages, don't blame Israel.
I am sure it will not help Prime Minister Zapatero to show them the picture of himself wearing a Palistinian headress. The Nazis and the Stalinists killed all the "useful idiots" after taking control and so will the Islamo-Fascists. Those who don't resist terror and fiight for their freedom don't deserve it.
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The United Nation is most certainly a agent of Satan and an Enemy of the greatest magnitude of the Body of Yeshua .
Anyone that can not see this, truly needs their eyes opened by the power of the Holy Spirit.
http://www.unisevil.com/
http://www.unisevil.com/temp213.htm
Oh goody, another website with very carefully chosen 'facts' used to try and prove the absolute truth of a certain political point of view. The points that are made on the website simply betray the fact that the author does not agree with their politics, not that the UN is evil.
The UN is not a perfect institution, but show me ANY human institution that is and I'll show you the flaws.
I know that you guys would prefer to ignore the huge amount of good work that the UN undertakes so that you can continue believing your particular political right wing viewpoints, but that doesn't change the reality that the UN is unparalleled as an organisation that delivers humanitarian help to millions of people around the world. I have personally seen the good work of the UN within central and south america.
Sorry - I did mis spell 'good' and type 'god'. I've now corrected it and put a note on the post.
Wparr - not sure if you saw the response to the questions raised about my faith on the Israel thread in the poll section. The response in my profile is partly a joke (hence the smiley) to the phrase 'born again'. In the UK the phrase has a connotation of happy-clappy, wishywashy Christian dressed in tweed, with sandals and socks, rather than the serious nature of faith and repentance. I suspect in the US the phrase 'Born Again' has a different cultural response.
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Are these the beginning of sorrows?
Mark 13:8
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
Luke 21:25
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luke 21:26
Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
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How true are the words ....
Having eyes they can not see, having ears they can not hear.
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Well freddyo5 I'll assume your NOT a born-again Christian since you didn't reply to that in your profile
(and the same for you ahar because you indicate a lack of understanding of BORN-AGAIN in your profile, and going to "church" for ones whole life doesn't mean anything in-of-itself)
So I will understand that you don't have a clue or understand of Kingdom workings, or the concept of Eternal thinking.
Mark 8:36
For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul?
"good" means NOTHING independant of Yahweh.
In fact Y'shua shows us thru Scripture that there is NONE "good" but God - NONE.
Have you EVER heard of World Vision?
Samaratin's Purse?
Gospel For Asia?
Compassion International?
The people running the UN are God HATERS
They CAN'T do "good".
Their greatest "good deeds" are an ABOMINATION to Yahweh.
But I don't expect either of you to understand this concept - YET;
1 Corinthians 2:9-16
(9) but just as it is written, "THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD, AND which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN, ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM."
(10) For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
(11) For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
(12) Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,
(13) which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.
(14) But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
(15) But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one.
(16) For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.
BUT - there is STILL hope and time.
Isaiah 55:6-9
(6) Seek Yahweh while He may be found; Call upon Him while He is near.
(7) Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return to Yahweh, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.
(8) "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares Yahweh.
(9) "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.
I'll be praying for ya.
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I assume Ahar made a typo and meant "good work" not "god work"... but Iīll let him make the correction.
Arenīt we supposed to be the light of the world? Iīve spent time in Africa and have seen the great work projects the UN, the EU, Bill Gates Foundation, and the US governments do in the name of easing human suffering. I also saw the occasional puppet show or Bible handout. Who do you think appears to be "the Light of the World?"
If indeed the UN is an agent of Satan, then that says a lot about the sad state of the church. When it comes to easing human suffering, something Jesus did a lot of, the UN and the Catholic Church (both evil organizations last time I checked ) seem to be doing a lot more than the rich, compassionate, selfless, American Evangelical Church.
Oh, and I have also seen great results from safe sex programs. HIV rates are down in many places and many people are alive that would have been dead by now. (including heterosexual virgin children)
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Wparr - To suggest that the UN is an agent of satan is completely ridiculous and shows a complete lack of understanding of the massive god work that the UN undertakes.
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that's a good one.
but I noticed you use little g god
If you think the UN is an agent of Yahweh Elohim of Scripture, then you have ZIP POINT ZERO Spiritual discernment or even a shadow of understanding of Yahweh's kingdom.
There are no God fearing, Holy Spirit led people running the UN.
What they are doing IS NOT in the name - power - authority of Y'shua (Jesus)
The UN fights AGAINST Yahweh's people and works.
Feeding people doesn't indicate Yahweh.
Mormons feed people, but they ARE NOT agents of Elohim (Scriptural God)
Feeding people physically, while denying their eternal SPIRITUAL needs is EVIL, so they end up in hell with full bellies - woop te do.
Wake up and come to a better understanding and knowing Y'shua Messiah.
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The United Nation is most certainly a agent of Satan and an Enemy of the greatest magnitude of the Body of Yeshua .
Anyone that can not see this, truly needs their eyes opened by the power of the Holy Spirit.
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Maybe they are feeding people, but I don't believe it.
Because you don't want to. Because you have an inbuilt prjudice against the UN.
Wparr - To suggest that the UN is an agent of satan is completely ridiculous and shows a complete lack of understanding of the massive good work that the UN undertakes.
EDIT - Sorry, misspelled 'good' to be 'god'. Now corrected!
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Maybe they are feeding people, but I don't believe it. If they're buying food, it's only to line their own pockets. I recall when their little UNICEF people would bang on your door on Halloween wanting pennies to "feed people" about 30 years ago. Come to find out later on that most of that money was given to Marxist regimes in Africa. I guess Commies get hungry too.
How many wars has the UN prevented? There must be about 100 worldwide right now. Why haven't these been prevented? It's because they're ineffective and too busy trying to impress each other with elitist positions. They don't do much else either other than trying to dictate modifications to our constitution--like the 2nd Amendment. And I certainly don't appreciate our soldiers being ordered to do their dirty work.
All I'd need to be is President for one day and this circus is over--and you'd get your tax dollars refunded.
I won't be happy until we raze that joint and kick those thieves into the sea...
Hunger Facts
If you choose not to believe something, I guess I hope no hope of convincing you otherwise... but check out the link read through the page. See if the love of Christ can move you to grieve... Or see if your heart is too hardend by your political views to care.
WFP (UNīs World Food Program) food saved 19 million flood victims in Bangladesh in 1998. Australia's population is is 19.7 million
Source: WFP Hunger Facts, February 2003
WFP saved 18 million people in southern Africa's 1992 drought - the population of Switzerland & Belgium
Source: WFP Hunger Facts, February 2003
WFP food has reached 1.2 billion of the world's poor in the past 40 years - almost India's population
Source: WFP Hunger Facts, February 2003
The source for these facts is the UN, so I guess they are all fake and made up to line the pockets of UN Staff
Oh, and speaking of lining pockets... check out the average pastorīs salary and compare it to the average Africanīs salary. From the perspective of the poor African, I bet it looks like many pastors are lining their pockets. (and for the record, I donīt think most pastorīs are in it for the money...)
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Who cares? The entire organization is a group of blood sucking, money grubbing leaches. If they are stupid enough to set up "lawn chairs" to "observe" in a combat zone, then if something happens to them, that's the way the cookie crumbles. The UN General Secretary, GoofyAnus, has already insulted Israel by whinning that it's loss of an observation post was intentional--without a formal review--is pretty insulting. So I think they are quite acqainted with "off handed accusations".
Frankly, I'm sick and tired of my taxes dollars funding this clown anti-semitic outfit.
I could have a nice long discussion about why the UN needs some reform... but that aside. The UN is doing far more in the world today to reduce human suffering than the evangelical church is. So while megachurches spend $100,000 to send 20 teenagers to do puppet shows and hand out Bibles, the UN is feeding many of these very same people so they will actually live long enough to see the puppets and Bibles.
Maybe they are feeding people, but I don't believe it. If they're buying food, it's only to line their own pockets. I recall when their little UNICEF people would bang on your door on Halloween wanting pennies to "feed people" about 30 years ago. Come to find out later on that most of that money was given to Marxist regimes in Africa. I guess Commies get hungry too.
How many wars has the UN prevented? There must be about 100 worldwide right now. Why haven't these been prevented? It's because they're ineffective and too busy trying to impress each other with elitist positions. They don't do much else either other than trying to dictate modifications to our constitution--like the 2nd Amendment. And I certainly don't appreciate our soldiers being ordered to do their dirty work.
All I'd need to be is President for one day and this circus is over--and you'd get your tax dollars refunded.
I won't be happy until we raze that joint and kick those thieves into the sea...
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The UN is just a puppet organization of satan.
It is filled with, and run by people who HATE Yahweh, the TRUE God of Scripture.
They do the bidding and will of their father satan.
That is why they turn their back and sit on their hands to the persecution and murder of Christians.
Do Christians REALLY expect the UN to do the right thing??
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Originally posted by WKUHilltopper:
Who cares? The entire organization is a group of blood sucking, money grubbing leaches. If they are stupid enough to set up "lawn chairs" to "observe" in a combat zone, then if something happens to them, that's the way the cookie crumbles. The UN General Secretary, GoofyAnus, has already insulted Israel by whinning that it's loss of an observation post was intentional--without a formal review--is pretty insulting. So I think they are quite acqainted with "off handed accusations".
Frankly, I'm sick and tired of my taxes dollars funding this clown anti-semitic outfit.
I could have a nice long discussion about why the UN needs some reform... but that aside. The UN is doing far more in the world today to reduce human suffering than the evangelical church is. So while megachurches spend $100,000 to send 20 teenagers to do puppet shows and hand out Bibles, the UN is feeding many of these very same people so they will actually live long enough to see the puppets and Bibles.
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Mentor's Riddle,
I see the attack of the UN outpost by Israel as the means the UN will argue the case for more of a military presence.
I have already heard US govermnet officials on Fox News decalring that the solution to this crisis could entail a "beefed up" UN presense...
to me, that seems to suggest giving the UN beast more weapons and more authority.
I agree...it's closing time.
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Just for the record, Ahar, I'm not and was not ripping on you. Suffice it to say I have no love nor trust for anything UN--but I'm sure you fiqured out that one. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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The UN undertakes these tasks in many conflict regions and the men and women involved (including British and US troops worldwide) are very brave - to suggest that they were passing information to Hezbollah is an insult to them and their families and you should think very hard before making off hand accusations like that.
Who cares? The entire organization is a group of blood sucking, money grubbing leaches. If they are stupid enough to set up "lawn chairs" to "observe" in a combat zone, then if something happens to them, that's the way the cookie crumbles. The UN General Secretary, GoofyAnus, has already insulted Israel by whinning that it's loss of an observation post was intentional--without a formal review--is pretty insulting. So I think they are quite acqainted with "off handed accusations".
Frankly, I'm sick and tired of my taxes dollars funding this clown anti-semitic outfit.
Hmmmm, for the sake of harmony and to stop this getting into a ruck, I won't reply.
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MR, you didn't cause any problems...don't sweat it. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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I never intended for this post to get to rough. I just wanted to inform everyone of this bit of news. Sorry if I have caused problems by the post.
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The UN undertakes these tasks in many conflict regions and the men and women involved (including British and US troops worldwide) are very brave - to suggest that they were passing information to Hezbollah is an insult to them and their families and you should think very hard before making off hand accusations like that.
Who cares? The entire organization is a group of blood sucking, money grubbing leaches. If they are stupid enough to set up "lawn chairs" to "observe" in a combat zone, then if something happens to them, that's the way the cookie crumbles. The UN General Secretary, GoofyAnus, has already insulted Israel by whinning that it's loss of an observation post was intentional--without a formal review--is pretty insulting. So I think they are quite acqainted with "off handed accusations".
Frankly, I'm sick and tired of my taxes dollars funding this clown anti-semitic outfit.
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Prehaps this is the motivation that the UN needs to rise against Isreal. I think we are closer than we beleive.
We probably are closer than we believe, but I think the UN is pretty ineffective and more of an international club of snobby elites. These people couldn't tie their own shoes.
Only morons would assign an "outpost for observation" in a combat zone. What were they doing there observing anyway?? I wouldn't be surprised if they were feeding info to the Arabs--and if they were, they should have been taken out!
The UN maintains many observation posts along the border and they have been there since Israel pulled out of the south of Lebanon. The idea is to provide an impartial observer within the area to be able to provide an independent account when incidents happen. Their locations are provided for under the UN resolution that Israel complied with when it withdrew from Southern Lebanon.
The UN undertakes these tasks in many conflict regions and the men and women involved (including British and US troops worldwide) are very brave - to suggest that they were passing information to Hezbollah is an insult to them and their families and you should think very hard before making off hand accusations like that.
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Only morons would assign an "outpost for observation" in a combat zone.
I have to admit, I agree. It's one of moments I believe the Lord truly thinks. "Duh!"
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Prehaps this is the motivation that the UN needs to rise against Isreal. I think we are closer than we beleive.
We probably are closer than we believe, but I think the UN is pretty ineffective and more of an international club of snobby elites. These people couldn't tie their own shoes.
Only morons would assign an "outpost for observation" in a combat zone. What were they doing there observing anyway?? I wouldn't be surprised if they were feeding info to the Arabs--and if they were, they should have been taken out!
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I am so conflicted. With all my heart I wish the rapture would happen now. But, then I realize that when it does the triublation will start soon after. Then the world will suffer such horrible pains. But then the sooner the rapture the sooner the 7 year tribulation is over too.
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ROME, Italy (CNN) -- Talks in Rome on a plan for ending hostilities in Lebanon have failed to reach agreement and diplomats are trying to come up with some kind of face-saving statement, according to sources involved in the talks and sources in Jerusalem and Washington.
A U.S. official described Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice as being "under siege" but holding firm that just a cessation of hostilities is not good enough and that at the same time, Hezbollah and disarming must be dealt with.
There is agreement on humanitarian and reconstruction packages, but those can't be implemented with the fighting continuing, the source said.
Diplomats were said to be working on some form of statement because no agreement could be reached on a full communique due to the failure to reach a consensus.
In difficult discussions, U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan led efforts to overcome U.S. resistance to an immediate cease-fire that Washington insists would undermine efforts to achieve a durable peace.
Calls for an end to the fighting between Israeli troops and Hezbollah guerrillas have gathered urgency following the deaths of four U.N. military observers in an Israeli attack on a U.N. outpost.
The incident, claimed as a mistake by Israel, has been condemned by the international community, with Annan describing it as "apparently deliberate."
Violence has intensified since hostilities began 15 days ago, with shelling from both sides claiming scores of civilian casualties and causing widespread damage.
The U.N. deaths were believed high on the agenda at the Rome conference, which gathered foreign ministers and other senior officials from 15 nations with representatives from the European Union and the World Bank -- but not Israel.
Talks were also thought to have focused on the possible deployment of an international peacekeeping force to stabilize Lebanon's border with Israel and help disarm Hezbollah militants.
Early in the meeting, Italian Foreign Minister Massimo D'Alema --co-chairing the meeting with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, pushed for consensus on aid, pushing for the organization of an international donors' conference.
But other issues proved thornier, with Rice reiterating Washington's insistence that any cease-fire be conditional on a broader effort to resolve long-term tensions in the Middle East.
CNN's John King, in Rome, said this stance met stiff opposition, with discussions running well over the allotted time and delaying a scheduled press conference.
"Many here, including Annan, say these are very difficult issues that cannot be resolved in a day, in a week, probably in a month or more, so what they will say is needed is a 60-90 day cessation of hostilities simply to negotiate so that humanitarian aid can flood in," he said.
King said sources inside the closed-door meeting revealed that there were "significant disagreements" as Rice pushed Washington's case from an increasingly isolated standpoint.
Nevertheless, says King, the support of the United States is seen as key to persuading Israel to halt its offensive in Lebanon.
According the the Reuters news agency, Lebanon's Prime Minister Fouad Siniora told the meeting his country intended to sue Israel and demand compensation for the "barbaric destruction" suffered by its people.
Also likely to cause problems is the make-up of any multinational force, with potential participants wary of deploying to the region without firm guarantees of cease-fire.
According to The Associated Press, EU foreign and security affairs chief Javier Solana was expected to propose that a rapid reaction force be established, ideally be built around French, German and Spanish troops, supplemented by forces from Turkey, the Netherlands, Canada and Arab states such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
Although Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair has been drumming up support for an international force since early on in the 15-day conflict, nations expected to contribute have shown reluctance to commit troops without a cease-fire in place.
The failure of the 2,000-strong UNIFIL -- the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon -- deployed in the region since 1978 to halt the violence is expected to provide further discouragement.
Meanwhile, NATO has said it would be difficult to assemble the troops needed to secure the cease-fire it would require before dispatching a larger force, AP reported.
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following the deaths of four U.N. military observers in an Israeli attack on a U.N. outpost.
The incident, claimed as a mistake by Israel, has been condemned by the international community, with Annan describing it as "apparently deliberate."
Prehaps this is the motivation that the UN needs to rise against Isreal. I think we are closer than we beleive.
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