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Gramajo320
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Compassion and empathy and prayers are needed for all of the victims of hurricane Katrina and yes for the jewish people of Gaza and I pray for the Lord to touch the hearts of people in a very big way for people to know that and then to begin praying for all the victims and also for all of the police, state troopers, National Guard and for everyone else involved in helping.
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I have read in a previous post that there are corelations between disaster, and how the world treats Israel. Interesting how Katrina came just on the heels of the Gaza pullout, and as America gave its approval of it--a slap in the face to Israel, whom in the past we have aided and allied.
I would be interested to know if the area destroyed by Katrina is anything similar in size to land ripped from the hands of the Gaza Israelis. Just a thought.
New Orleans with its ongoing arrogant decadence, would be a logical punishment. Yes there are innocents and Godfearing people there as well--but it is that way in the Middle East too.
The looting and killing, and the apparent indifference of a small percentage of the New Orleans police who I read turned a blind eye or stopped showing up--it's quite visible to me that the demonic elements in that city didn't like being spanked.
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Exodus 20:4-5 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me.
Apparently there have around 20 casinos in Biloxi that have been crippled, and they were a huge part of that city's economy. I believe we could be placing judgment on ourselves, when we accept such industries and also accept such lifestyles as same-sex marriages and gay/lesbian relationships.
BTW the title of this thread is 'Could this be why Katrina Hit?' It is discussing the warnings concerning the end times. We can address the importance of prayers and support in other threads that have been posted.
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"What God would rather have you do now instead of condemnation is to be praying for each and every single victim who has been struck by Katrina and also before you pray, ask yourself how would you feel if you were struck by Katrina and if you found yourself within that position and you needed help!"
I would not of been on the couch watching TV for shur.
If I was very poor,
1. 10 gallons of water put in reused milk jugs with a spoon full of bleach put in each.
2. some kind of dried vacume sealed food.
3. a few cans of sterno.
4. a battery operated radio sealed in a water tight bag.
5. A water tight flashlight.
6. my Bible in a water tight sealed bag.
7. Tolet paper in a watertight sealed bag.
8. 1 change of clothing in a watertight sealed bag
9. a plastic inflatable raft for each person. One for suplies.
10 a compass and a water prof map. ![[wiggle7]](graemlins/wiggle7.gif)
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What God would rather have you do now instead of condemnation is to be praying for each and every single victim who has been struck by Katrina and also before you pray, ask yourself how would you feel if you were struck by Katrina and if you found yourself within that position and you needed help! God would have you be praying for all of the victims which is so very much needed and has been so very much needed since the hurricane struck! God knows the hearts of each and every victim and He is the only one who knows - no human being on this earth has the qualifications of God.
Yes we are living in the end times, we will continue to see natural disasters and that's what they are - earthquakes, typhoons, hurricanes, toronadoes, tsunamis, volcanoes coming to life and erupting. We will also see wars and hear rumors of wars and we've been seeing all of the above events which are signs of the end times.
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Well, Think that God is not changed and I think that there is nothing new under the sun and I think that God is still blessing those who bless the seed of Abraham both natural and adopted and cursing those who curse the seed of Abraham both natural and adopted.
I think that God is still setting kings upon thier thrones and unsetting them according to HIS will and I think that God brings judgment against nations based on their dealing with God's people and I believe that when the sins of nations are so great that they vex the people of God that live under them God brings judgment against the nation as HE did with Sodom and I believe that God is sovereignly in control of the weather.
I see that Katrina is the hand of God bringing judgment.
The judgment is against the Power/Authority/Government/Heads of State of this nation for claiming to be a nation under God and then thumbing its nose at God at every opportunity, for ordaining things that are abomination to God while claiming to be established under HIM, for persecuting Christians, and for its part in the manipulation of Israel to force disengagement of Israel from lands that are Israel's .
This is also done of the city of New Orleans - the Power/Authority/Government/Heads of State, for the allowing of evil to run rampant to the point of vexing the God fearing that live under their authority and persecuting Christians.
In bringing this judgment I see that the following has been accomplished:
1. The governments have been punished. They have suffered loss of things that governments hold dear. Power, Authority, Votes and confidence of its people, Economic standing in the world and with other governments, Money, land, the well being of its people.
2. God has shown himself soveriegn - Authorities in the earth are established by God and are dethroned by God. Sometimes at the hands of their enemies, sometimes at the hand of weather and nature that are in HIS solitary single Sovereign control.
3. God has shown Man's folly - The very fact that the storm did not hit head on and the mayhem that follows shows that all man's efforts, plans, knowledge, science, instruments of measure, prowess in building and planning and even governing are complete and utter folly if God decides to allow or bring destruction.
4. Hearts have been turned to God - Some have viewed this and it has caused fear that has sent them seeking God.
5. Hearts have been hardened - Some have been hardened that they do not turn to God but continue to manifest the carnality that is their evil nature.
6. HIS children see and know that HE is God and that he is their deliverer, comforter, answerer of prayer.
7. Other nations are witness of HIS judgment against those who are judged and HIS mercy for HIS people and thus God is witnessed to the other nations.
The Bible consistently shows God using judgment to accomplish these things and they are accomplished now in this storm.
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God does Curse (judgment) those who Curse the seed of Abraham both natural and adopted seed an he blesses those who bless the seed of Abraham both the natural seed and the adopted seed. God left the heathen nations to war amongst themselves except when HIS people were involved.
God does judge nations that claim HIS name. We claim to be a nation under God and when we claim that while Mocking God... God does not allow this forever without judgment.
God used the heathen nations to bring judgement against HIS people too. (ex Assyria & Babylon)
How does God judge nations?
By delivering them over to the hand of their enemies
By acts of nature that are in HIS sovereign control....storm, earthquake, hail, drought, fire
By allowing the enemy to oppress - famine, disease, fire, poverty
By allowing them the consequinces of their sins - and the sins of their peoples -Corrupt leaders, loss of resources and waste of resources, crime, anarchy and unrest among their peoples, debt, loss of economic standing, loss of geopolitical power. negligence related accidents and mishaps, by failing to protect them from the devourer, by removing HIS people from their land and thus the blessings that HIS people bring because they are HIS people. etc.... etc... etc....
If a storm brings destruction it was brought at the hand of the ONLY ONE that causes the wind to blow and the rains to fall or the earth to quake.
I have no doubt in my mind that this huricane was brought by the hand of God that had sovereign control over where it fell and how strong it was. Who else can cause the wind to blow and the rain to fall or either to cease?
The destruction that fell in this huricane's path, by the force of its wind and rain was caused at the hand of God who controled the wind and the rain, and if that is not judgment then I do not know what is.
There is nothing accidental or coincidental about it.
Even so, there is an incredible amount of destruction and loss of life that is not the cause of the storm at all but the cause of the goovernment. Those poor people, and the people in hopsitals and nursing homes should have been evacuated long before the storm hit and not to the dome for goodness sakes where there was no proivisions made ahead of time for their care and where the lowest part of the city is! The water that ran from Jefferson and Orleasns Parishes could run no where but to the dome.
Any one in their right mind would know that the roof there would have never stood a catagory 5 hit and they all knew that the levies were built for a catagory 3 storm. Much, so very much of what is happening there and what has happened to many elderly, sick and poor people is because of man's greed and man's folly.
Johanna, I am so sorry for your family's losses and so thankful that they are all alive and I know that this must be an incredible time to be living through there. Please know that you are in our prayers and have been. We were praying before for God's mercy on the innocent and believe that God answered those prayers in moving that storm that it did not hit straight on and that it was reduced in strength.
We will continue to pray that God will provide for all your family's needs and that HIS peace will be with you all in spite of the circumstances and your faith will be strengthened.
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Bat Elohim,
I want you to know there is hope and additional help on the way to all of you in Louisiana and it's coming from the Air National Guard up here in the pacific northwest.
Washington: Six UH-60 Blackhawk helicopters for search and rescue and supply missions, 500 general-purpose troops for duties like manning check points and helping distribute supplies, and KC-135 jets which essentially are modified Boeing 707's to transport supplies and people.
Idaho: Has three available C-130 cargo planes, three Blackhawk helicopters, security forces, and communications experts. They will be sending all available troops also.
Oregon: Has engineering, communications, transportation and medical units available, as well as an air wing with a mobile hospital. They will send 450 troops.
Nevada National Guard Security forces will also be coming to Lousiana.
All of the above will be taking off just as soon as they have the go ahead from National Guard Bureau. They expect to have the go ahead any moment.
I hope this will give you more comfort in this very difficult time, Bat Elohim,and please know all of us are praying for all of you in all three states that Katrina has hit with such wrath! God is in control and He's with you all and with everyone around the world! God will always be in control no matter what. Praise God for all of the help that is forthcoming!
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thank you WhiteEagle... i guess i'm just a little sensitive on this subject....
i agree... they should have bussed those people out before the hurricane hit, but no one really believed it would actually hit like they said it would.
However, lots of people did leave before it hit. That's why i didn't lose any of my family members, because they all left before it hit.
It was mostly the people that were too poor or otherwise unable to leave, that were left there. Or people who simply believed that it would never happen.
mohawk... i believe these are the birth pains. it scares me that i'm living in the end times, but I know that He will take care of me and my son, because we trust in Him. Even if we were killed today in a storm or a simple heart-attack... my hope is in Him alone.
I'm praying that God will turn the hearts of His people back to Him through all of this.
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Numbers 6:24 May ADONAI bless you and keep you. 25 May ADONAI make his face shine on you and show you his favor. 26 May ADONAI lift up his face toward you and give you peace.
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WhiteEagle,
people in this state ARE working to help each other. our officials will not allow us to go down to N.O. because of the people getting shot and raped.
The people that have been transported up here, have been given an overwhelming amount of food and supplies. People are opening their houses up and letting total strangers move in with them.
Even here in the northen part of the state we are suffering the effects. Not only are there people everywhere, but all of our gas stations are closed... most have run out of gas... they were ordered to be closed last night at 6 PM and are not allowed to be opened again til Monday.
Those of us who have small gas tanks will not be able to drive anywhere this weekend... my tank's on empty.
The grocery stores are bare, from people buying up all the food... not just for the homeless... but out of fear that riots will break out here and we won't be able to get food.
The Christians here are not "tolerating" the sin... and we haven't been tolerating it for a long time. We have been praying and preaching on street corners... we have been fighting the laws that say casinos can come in. we have been doing all that we can. But mostly we rely on God to help us.
This is a bad situation and it will get worse. I am thankful that I have a home that is intact. That most of my family are ok. That even my family that lives down south in NO are ok... they've lost everything, but they are alive.
Co-workers are organizing truckloads of water to transport to Baton Rouge. The military and police will not let anyone go past there. We are hoping that the water will then be airlifted to NO. to avoid the looters.
The company I work for has warehouses down in NO. and have invited all those employees to come up here and they will find shelter and jobs for them.
My mom's company is organizing a "pot luck" type dinner for the people at CenturyTel, over 10,000 people so far...
not much maybe... not on the grand scale of things... but you have to remember... we're a poor state to begin with. We're doing what we can.
Pray for us... if nothing else. just pray.
Dear BatElohim:
In spite of how harsh my post sounded about the bad things in New Orleans, I do see that many innocents are also suffering.
I have been praying for all of the people affected and have been upset to see how long it is taking to get help to people.
I cried this AM watching all the trucks with supplies finally come into New Orleans.
I am praying for you all. It's good to hear your testimony about LA, as all the news reporters show are the lawlessness in New Orleans.
I guess I feel that all of New Orleans should have been evacuated by buses, trucks so that the sick and poor could have been taken out before the hurricaine hit.
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No one is denying scripture whatsoever! However prayer is so very much needed for all of those victims of hurricane Katrina and I'm quite certain God wants everyone praying for them and also for everyone to have compassion, empathy, caring, and love for all of those victims who are in such a world of hurt and in such tremendous needs of the most basic nature! Please take the time to pray for all victims in all three states!
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From Luke 21:
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
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Elsewhere on this thread has already been given the reference to the "birth pains" that Jesus spoke of. The tsunami and Katrina were not even a year apart--in geological terms, they were back to back, on different sides of the globe. How long will the world turn a blind eye to scripture? Yet people seem to deny it more, the more obvious it becomes.
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The US Army Corps of Engineers had asked for years for money to be given to them to be used for repairing the levees in New Orleans. Rather than the money be given to them for repairing the levees the funds were cut year after year. So what could they do? FEMA had what is called a practice dry run for plans of evacuation. Evacuations didn't take place soon enough. Perhaps the biggest mistake was sending all those thousands of people to the dome rather than thinking of another plan such as taking all of the transit system buses, and Greyhound buses and loading every single bus to capacity with all of the people who had no vehicle or any means of escape, and then driving them out of the city. All of those thousands of people are not arrogant whatsoever! There are thousands of born again believers there whether you choose to believe that or not. They are human beings in a world of hurt, caught in deplorable conditions, suffering from hunger, thirst, illness, no medication. Wouldn't it be more humane and compassionate to find it in your heart to be praying for all of the victims to get help as soon as possible rather than concentrating on what celebrations had been held in New Orleans! I do not agree with those celebrations at all! However think about it - Prayers are needed for all of those thousands of people - don't you think that is what God would have you do? As to the ones who were such law breakers they are not representative of all of those victims. It has been reported they are a small minority! Where evacuations are concerned yes there could have been far better planning put into place. I think of our own city right here - if ever we had to evacuate there are only two safe routes to go - one being heading to Montana and the other one to go north toward Canada. One thing here though is I know they would call out all of the transit city buses for those of us who do not have cars in case of a natural disaster and having to evacuate. The danger our state faces is if the security were ever breached at Hanford, which is a nuclear reservation, that would result in total deadly consequences, earthquakes, the two volcanoes erupting, and if the security of the dam was ever breached releasing all of that water, all could bring about very deadly consequences. Also the danger of a tsunami all along the coast of WA bringing about deadly consequences. Years ago Seattle put into place plans for evacuation. The employees of Bank of America had to carry on a daily basis a back pack filled with all necessities in case of evacuation. I know that because my daughter worked there. Also all records in Bank of America were removed out of Seattle and moved inland to Boise, ID.
The bottom line is everyone who believes in praying to God and that God can bring about miracles, should be praying for all of the victims of Lousiana, Mississippi, and Alabama!
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WhiteEagle,
people in this state ARE working to help each other. our officials will not allow us to go down to N.O. because of the people getting shot and raped.
The people that have been transported up here, have been given an overwhelming amount of food and supplies. People are opening their houses up and letting total strangers move in with them.
Even here in the northen part of the state we are suffering the effects. Not only are there people everywhere, but all of our gas stations are closed... most have run out of gas... they were ordered to be closed last night at 6 PM and are not allowed to be opened again til Monday.
Those of us who have small gas tanks will not be able to drive anywhere this weekend... my tank's on empty.
The grocery stores are bare, from people buying up all the food... not just for the homeless... but out of fear that riots will break out here and we won't be able to get food.
The Christians here are not "tolerating" the sin... and we haven't been tolerating it for a long time. We have been praying and preaching on street corners... we have been fighting the laws that say casinos can come in. we have been doing all that we can. But mostly we rely on God to help us.
This is a bad situation and it will get worse. I am thankful that I have a home that is intact. That most of my family are ok. That even my family that lives down south in NO are ok... they've lost everything, but they are alive.
Co-workers are organizing truckloads of water to transport to Baton Rouge. The military and police will not let anyone go past there. We are hoping that the water will then be airlifted to NO. to avoid the looters.
The company I work for has warehouses down in NO. and have invited all those employees to come up here and they will find shelter and jobs for them.
My mom's company is organizing a "pot luck" type dinner for the people at CenturyTel, over 10,000 people so far...
not much maybe... not on the grand scale of things... but you have to remember... we're a poor state to begin with. We're doing what we can.
Pray for us... if nothing else. just pray.
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Numbers 6:24 May ADONAI bless you and keep you. 25 May ADONAI make his face shine on you and show you his favor. 26 May ADONAI lift up his face toward you and give you peace.
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This morning's headline "Devastated New Orleans descends into absolute anarchy , 'Its worse than 9/11' Bush says.
-People left to die on streets
-Snipers shoot at hospitals
-Evacuees raped, beaten
-City issues desperate SOS"
"Franctic evacuation operations have been hampered by shots being fired at rescue boats and military helicopter.
"Ambulances were hijacked or tipped on their sides and one fully functioning hospital was asked to be evacuated after a supply truck carrying medical supples was held at gunpoint."
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News footage has been shown on tv showing people calling out to God, praying, reciting the 23rd psalm. I cannot believe that God would want any of the people who were struck by hurricane Katrina's wrath to suffer in the most heartbreaking, terrible, devastating, deplorable way in which they are in, God loves all His children and Hw does not want them to perish.
The news out of those areas hit so terribly hard is absolutely heartbreaking - one cannot look at the news footage without crying at what's happening to those people! Now they're even being treated in a very cruel way by just a tiny very few who are supposed to be protecting them as told in a yahoo news story.
The mayor of New Orleans has sent out an sos for help. Everyone there is at their breaking point from all of the heartbreaking things they are seeing and experiencing in this terrible disaster.
Thanks be to God there is a huge deployment by the military who are coming to the rescue of these victims. There should be a whole lot of compassionate praying going on by everybody in this country for these victims and also for all of the ones who are involved in the rescue efforts!
Those people's sufferings are brought on by themselves and their arrogance.
Yes many innocents such as the babies and children and sick and some of the poor are getting caught too, but it's mostly people's own faults, they are suffering to the degree they are.
When a "king" or leader is evil, the people suffer. New Orleans government never really prepared for this kind of mass crisis.
They have welcomed Southern Decadence days for 34 years, they welcomed drup dealers, prositution, lawlessness with the Mardi Gras year after year which they associate with partying and decadence just before Lent which makes Mardi Gras a pseudo religious celebration. They advertise to tourists to come and go on Seances, ghost tours, vampire tours, and say they are the City of the DEAD.(before the hurricaine)
The government of Lousiana has allowed and tolerated this for over 100 years. The people accept and tolerate it.
Alabama and Mississippi don't seem to be in such disarray and disorganized as much as New Orleans.
People seem to be helping each other in those other states and the effort in more organized.
Why? I ask myself.
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People can play the BLAME BUSH game all they want, I don't care to follow that crowd.
New Orleans has been around for at least 300 years. It was built on arrogance and those who decided to build a city below sea level were just thumbing their noses at God.
New Orleans recently had some very close calls with other recent hurricaines coming very close to hitting them before this one did.
People had plenty of warning to fix New Orleans and plan emmergency situations long before today.
After watching the events down there for the past 4 days, I would add that it's a wake up call for all of us.
The message:Trust God only. Be prepared. Have your own stocks of food, water, batteries, alternate shelter, extra medical supplies, first aid supplies, etc.
We can NOT depend on our government to rescue us if any kind of disaster happens on a grand scale like Hurricaine Katrina.
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Your Welcome, GramaJo, God bless you too!
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Betty,
Thank you very much for posting the article titled "No One Can Say They Didn't See It Coming."
It is a very truthful article! God bless you!
God is a very loving God and He is moving in a powerful way to get all of the help mobilized and gathered together to help all the victims of Katrina - especially in New Orleans! Please everyone pray for all of the victims in all three states!
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I found this on another board. Something to think about.
"No One Can Say they Didn't See it Coming"
By Sidney Blumenthal
09/01/05 "Der Spiegel" -- -- In 2001,
FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.
Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has left millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds to thousands reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city of New Orleans has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the damage wrought by the hurricane may not entirely be the result of an act of nature.
A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush administration ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six people in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and pumping stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on New York City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project essentially dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total reduction in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district of the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late.
The New Orleans Times-Picayune, which before the hurricane published a series on the federal funding problem, and whose presses are now underwater, reported online: "No one can say they didn't see it coming ... Now in the wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked about the lack of preparation."
The Bush administration's policy of turning over wetlands to developers almost certainly also contributed to the heightened level of the storm surge. In 1990, a federal task force began restoring lost wetlands surrounding New Orleans. Every two miles of wetland between the Crescent City and the Gulf reduces a surge by half a foot. Bush had promised "no net loss" of wetlands, a policy launched by his father's administration and bolstered by President Clinton. But he reversed his approach in 2003, unleashing the developers. The Army Corps of Engineers and the Environmental Protection Agency then announced they could no longer protect wetlands unless they were somehow related to interstate commerce.
In response to this potential crisis, four leading environmental groups conducted a joint expert study, concluding in 2004 that without wetlands protection New Orleans could be devastated by an ordinary, much less a Category 4 or 5, hurricane. "There's no way to describe how mindless a policy that is when it comes to wetlands protection," said one of the report's authors. The chairman of the White House's Council on Environmental Quality dismissed the study as "highly questionable," and boasted, "Everybody loves what we're doing."
"My administration's climate change policy will be science based," President Bush declared in June 2001. But in 2002, when the Environmental Protection Agency submitted a study on global warming to the United Nations reflecting its expert research, Bush derided it as "a report put out by a bureaucracy," and excised the climate change assessment from the agency's annual report. The next year, when the EPA issued its first comprehensive "Report on the Environment," stating, "Climate change has global consequences for human health and the environment," the White House simply demanded removal of the line and all similar conclusions. At the G-8 meeting in Scotland this year, Bush successfully stymied any common action on global warming. Scientists, meanwhile, have continued to accumulate impressive data on the rising temperature of the oceans, which has produced more severe hurricanes.
In February 2004, 60 of the nation's leading scientists, including 20 Nobel laureates, warned in a statement, "Restoring Scientific Integrity in Policymaking": "Successful application of science has played a large part in the policies that have made the United States of America the world's most powerful nation and its citizens increasingly prosperous and healthy ... Indeed, this principle has long been adhered to by presidents and administrations of both parties in forming and implementing policies. The administration of George W. Bush has, however, disregarded this principle ... The distortion of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends must cease." Bush completely ignored this statement.
In the two weeks preceding the storm in the Gulf, the trumping of science by ideology and expertise by special interests accelerated. The Federal Drug Administration announced that it was postponing sale of the morning-after contraceptive pill, despite overwhelming scientific evidence of its safety and its approval by the FDA's scientific advisory board. The United Nations special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa accused the Bush administration of responsibility for a condom shortage in Uganda -- the result of the administration's evangelical Christian agenda of "abstinence." When the chief of the Bureau of Justice Statistics in the Justice Department was ordered by the White House to delete its study that African-Americans and other minorities are subject to racial profiling in police traffic stops and he refused to buckle under, he was forced out of his job. When the Army Corps of Engineers' chief contracting oversight analyst objected to a $7 billion no-bid contract awarded for work in Iraq to Halliburton (the firm at which Vice President Cheney was formerly CEO), she was demoted despite her superior professional ratings. At the National Park Service, a former Cheney aide, a political appointee lacking professional background, drew up a plan to overturn past environmental practices and prohibit any mention of evolution while allowing sale of religious materials through the Park Service.
On the day the levees burst in New Orleans, Bush delivered a speech in Colorado comparing the Iraq war to World War II and himself to Franklin D. Roosevelt: "And he knew that the best way to bring peace and stability to the region was by bringing freedom to Japan." Bush had boarded his very own "Streetcar Named Desire."
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Could the New Orleans disaster have been avoided?
No I do not think so.
Could it have been mitigated to a greater or lesser degree?
Undoubtedly! -
The world is not flat, and the sun does not revolve around the Earth.
It is time to start taking into account a few FACTS. Uncomfortable as those Facts may be. They are in the process of fast becoming UNAVOIDABLE.
Again Note: “In February 2004, 60 of the nation's leading scientists, including 20 Nobel laureates, warned in a statement, "Restoring Scientific Integrity in Policymaking"
“The distortion of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends must cease."
Bush completely ignored this statement. “
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An update on the victims who were hit by hurricane Katrina's fury and wrath. Buses were brought to the dome and the people were loaded on them to be transported to the Houston Astro Dome. Two minutes ago they just showed news footage of those same victims who are now in the Astro Dome - they have been given cots, blankets, food, water, diapers for their babies, clothing for for each of them, and all victims are now feeling much better. In New Orleans they will continue evacuating all of the people. Thanks be to God and His love for all of His children He is helping to see to it that all of the help possible is being done with more on the way with the deployment of 40,000 military troops and of course food, water, medicines. We still need to continue to pray for all victims in Biloxi, MS, Louisiana, Alabama - they need all of our prayers and prayer support so please do pray for them!
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Job 42:1-6
(1) Then Job answered the Lord:
(2) "I know that you can do all things;
NO PURPOSE OF YOURS CAN BE THWARTED;
(3) you asked, 'Who is this who darkens counsel without knowledge?' But I have declared without understanding things too wonderful for me to know.
(4) You said, 'Pay attention, and I will speak; I will question you, and you will answer me.'
(5) I had heard of you by the hearing of the ear, but now my eye has seen you.
(6) Therefore I despise myself, and I repent in dust and ashes!
God IS Sovereign
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News footage has been shown on tv showing people calling out to God, praying, reciting the 23rd psalm. I cannot believe that God would want any of the people who were struck by hurricane Katrina's wrath to suffer in the most heartbreaking, terrible, devastating, deplorable way in which they are in, God loves all His children and Hw does not want them to perish.
The news out of those areas hit so terribly hard is absolutely heartbreaking - one cannot look at the news footage without crying at what's happening to those people! Now they're even being treated in a very cruel way by just a tiny very few who are supposed to be protecting them as told in a yahoo news story.
The mayor of New Orleans has sent out an sos for help. Everyone there is at their breaking point from all of the heartbreaking things they are seeing and experiencing in this terrible disaster.
Thanks be to God there is a huge deployment by the military who are coming to the rescue of these victims. There should be a whole lot of compassionate praying going on by everybody in this country for these victims and also for all of the ones who are involved in the rescue efforts!
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Softtouch,
I believe that The Lord God Jehovah controls the weather. He is Sovereign. Since this natural disaster was allowed by God to hit New Orleans and devastate it so severely, I have to believe that God is making a Big STATEMENT to what goes on there.
It's a wakeup call to repent. It's judgement.
God can save those who He will even through the worst of natural disasters.
This is going to affect the whole country due to the fact that 90% of the oil rigs out in the Gulf were damanged. New Orleans got the brunt of it along with Mississippi and Alabama coasts, but this will affect everything for everyone in America economically as well as physcially.
I believe the Birth Pains are happening and we've at the five minute contractions.
I pray for the people who are in this terrible event and that they will cry out to God.
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AFA Urges Support For The Katrina Relief Effort Through Your Local Church
Dear Betty,
AFA urges you to support the Katrina relief effort through your local church. Most denominations are working to help victims and AFA urges you to support those efforts.
For churches which do not have a relief effort going, we suggest you support the relief effort through the Salvation Army. You can support the Salvation Army by calling 1-800-725-2769 (1-800-SAL-ARMY) or on the Internet at www.salvationarmyusa.org.
Please remember those victims of Katrina in your prayers.
Sincerely,
Donald E. Wildmon, Chairman
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P.S. Please forward this to your family and friends!
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remember alot of the money for the Tsunami relief never got to the people so make sure you donate through someone you can trust.
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I am not sure that God deals with mankind as He did in the days of the O.T., because, Christ fulfilled the law with His sacrifice. However, the Earth and nature, being His creations, are designed to solve problems, correct trouble, and fix themselves according to His Will. Jesus Himself said, "If they (the people proclaiming Him messiah) were quiet now, even the rocks would cry out!" Even the rocks know that He was God, after all, Jesus did make them.
I think it's very possible Katrina was a "response" to a long problematic patch of rebellious humanity. In case someone hasn't realized it, New Orleans is below sea level, and biologically a huge sewer catch-all. Not to mention the human degradation that the place had become a magnet for. Unfortunately there were thousands of innocent people in harm's way--may God guide, shelter and comfort them, Amen.
We should pray especially for the poor people living along the gulf coast who could not afford to flee north, even raise rent cash for a cheap motel... and being on the edge, took the brunt of Katrina's fury.
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I heard the prisons let inmates out due to the storm.
They were not turned loose on the community. They were taken to a freeway overpass, under guard, and then transferred to federal prisons elsewhere.
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I just posted about the conditions in New Orleans - it is in the thread of Help From Other Countries. I posted as I was listening to a special news report on conditions of victims of hurricane Katrina. As far as the prisoners they were put in an area where they would be safe but could not escape from. We so very much need to pray for all of the victims in all three states. The people are in a world of hurt, anxiety, panic, suffering from hunger, dehydration, lack of much needed medication and medical treatment. Please pray for all help needed to get there asap and for the people not to lose all hope. I know there has to be many who are born again believers living with in those three states and I pray that everyone there is praying for God's help and I should add they most assuredly would be praying!
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But we need to pray that God will bring repentance to those people who are fighting and stealing and a sense of peace to the town itself.
Amen!
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I can't help but wonder this morning after listening to the news about the spirit of rebelliousness that seems to be among at least some of the people of New Orleans. A couple of years ago we had a flood from a Tropical storm in Houston. While it was not at the same degree as this storm, we had people who had to stay on the roof of the houses for days before being rescued.
During the entire storm, the people came to gather to help each other. There was no mass looting in the stores.
This week in New Orleans the gay pride festival was suppose to start. During this festival it is common problem for gays to be having sex in the street. New Orleans has been known for years to have a party attitude.
Is it possible that their attitude of doing what they want has resulted in a spirit of rebellion in the people? I do not know.
I think it is sad that the evacuation from the super dome has been put on hold because someone shot at the military helicopter. I think it sad that they had to take people out of the field that were rescuing people to come and stop the looting. Whether they are being punished by God with the storm, is between them and God. But we need to pray that God will bring repentance to those people who are fighting and stealing and a sense of peace to the town itself.
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I don't find any Scriptural evidence that God is dealing with mankind in this way today. I think to characterize it as "God's work" will characterize those who call themselves "Christians" as naive counrty bumpkins.
I'm not saying that this hurricane was a warning from the Lord because I don't know if it was, but if it wasn't, His word is giving us a warning.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
The key word is "example" to those who would follow these ways.
I don't think that we need a hurricane to know our ways are seperating our nation and our people from the Lord. The word of God will tell you much more than the weather.
I pray for all of those in the Gulf Coast, and in the rest of our nation. Lord, please have mercy on us all.
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I"m predicting another Detroit riot and riots all around and more natural disasters too, leading to more chaos. Gas prices are gorna drive people insane. I'll give a post from anotehr forum from someone:
"Anyway, I just heard that people are stealing gas from cars parked in the Walmart parking lot in Jackson, Miss. And yesterday in Hattiesburg, Miss., a man shot his sister in the head over a bag of ICE. If this isn't hell on earth, I don't know what is... "
but, I don't htink its wrat against being gay. If anything, it is for the war on Iraq and other htings It is also our greediness and bieng so materialistic. I have come a long way in growing away from that. I sitll like nice htings, but I try not to be too concerned with things I wear and brand names. I used to HAVE to have a Coach bag and nice heels and new jeans each year and some of the latest trends. I feel it is like an addiction. I sitll like jewelery, but I"m not nearly as obsessed with having it as I was and I check prices more. I do spend too much on book and should cut it out. But, I have gone a long way.
But, people are too rushed and things. Peopele drive waaay too fast to get somewhere. I used to be one of those people. i went 90 on the freeway. I don't now, but I used ot be. I am more likely to belive a post on anotehr forum syaing it is due to things like voodoo being done there if it is black voodoo and the bad stuff. I odn't know if New Orleans is big on the bad kind of stuff and voodoo odolls and hexes and vengence spells either. I won't say they are without proof. But, I am more likely to belive that than peopel being gay. Also, Mardi Gras too where girls flash their boobs for some cheap beads. I like parades and balls and many things. I loved the jazz when I went to New Orleans. But, that flashing for beads and all the sex an dhtings at Mardi Gras is more likely to me than anything else.
But, eerywhere in the world is greedy and commercial. But, I am trying to imrpove myself. I still like new clothes (and need it due to weight gain) but I dont feel I HAVE to get brand name stuff and all that mess. I'd rather spend the money on thing slike food for my cat or books or music. I don't need to be a walking billbaord anyore.
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ST, I believe it is a wakeup call to the people who live in this Country. We are not promised we will be here tomorrow and people live today like there will always be a tomorrow.
God can deal with man the same way today as He did in times past. Look what He did to S and D.
He told Abraham what He was about to do.
Lets face it. Sin is Still sin. God is still God. And there is nothing new under the sun. As peoples love wax colder and things of this world wax worse and worse, I do not find it hard to believe that this is not a "wakeup" call.
The earth is groaning. Mens hearts are evil, and Christians should at the very least see that we are in the times and seasons Yeshua spoke of.
And maybe its a wakeup call for us as Christians to help out not only with our money, supplies, work, ect,, but to also spread the news of our Savior, that there is life and hope in Him no matter what happens. Shalom
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ST, I believe it is a wakeup call to the people who live in this Country. We are not promised we will be here tomorrow and people live today like there will always be a tomorrow.
God can deal with man the same way today as He did in times past. Look what He did to S and D.
He told Abraham what He was about to do.
Lets face it. Sin is Still sin. God is still God. And there is nothing new under the sun. As peoples love wax colder and things of this world wax worse and worse, I do not find it hard to believe that this is not a "wakeup" call.
The earth is groaning. Mens hearts are evil, and Christians should at the very least see that we are in the times and seasons Yeshua spoke of.
And maybe its a wakeup call for us as Christians to help out not only with our money, supplies, work, ect,, but to also spread the news of our Savior, that there is life and hope in Him no matter what happens. Shalom
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Hurricane Katrina walloped New Orleans just two days before the annual homosexual "Southern Decadence" festival was to begin in the town, an act being characterized by some as God's work."
I don't find any Scriptural evidence that God is dealing with mankind in this way today. I think to characterize it as "God's work" will characterize those who call themselves "Christians" as naive counrty bumpkins.
God's judgement WILL come upon all mankind but this is not it. Better yet, it's an opportunity for Believers to show the world God's love by helping those in need.
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We know there will be all sorts of natural disasters such as typhoons, hurricanes, tsunamis, floods, earthquakes, tornadoes, volcanoes erupting. These are known only as natural disasters that have happened throughout history and are still happening. We also know there will be wars and rumors of wars which have also happened throughout history and are still happening.
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Hurricane hits just before homosexual event
Hurricane Katrina walloped New Orleans just two days before the annual homosexual "Southern Decadence" festival was to begin in the town, an act being characterized by some as God's work.
Southern Decadence has a history of "filling the French Quarters section of the city with drunken homosexuals engaging in sex acts in the public streets and bars," says a statement from the Philadelphia Christian organization Repent America.
This year's 34th annual Southern Decadence festival, which drew 125,000 revelers last year, was set to begin today in the Big Easy and run through Monday.
As writer John d'Addario explained in "Southern Decadence 2005: A How-To Guide" posted on FrenchQuarter.com:
Parades and non-stop parties aside, Southern Decadence may be most famous (or infamous) for the displays of naked flesh which characterize the event – which is only fitting, since New Orleans in early September is generally the closest thing you'll ever experience to walking around in a steambath outside of a health spa. While police have started to crack down on public lewdness and pressure from a local crackpot conservative religious organization has caused the five-day festival to become a little more sedate than it was in years past, the atmosphere of Southern Decadence has stayed true to its name and public displays of sexuality are pretty much everywhere you look. Of course, the massive flooding of the city and evacuation order from Gov. Kathleen Blanco has forced the event's cancellation.
"Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city," stated Repent America director Michael Marcavage in a statement. "From 'Girls Gone Wild' to 'Southern Decadence,' New Orleans was a city that opened its doors wide open to the public celebration of sin. May it never be the same."
Repent America says three former and current mayors of New Orleans have issued official proclamations welcoming visitors to Southern Decadence.
"Let us pray for those ravaged by this disaster. However, we must not forget that the citizens of New Orleans tolerated and welcomed the wickedness in their city for so long," Marcavage said. "May this act of God cause us all to think about what we tolerate in our city limits, and bring us trembling before the throne of Almighty God."
Marcavage was one of the five Philadelphia Christians arrested last year for protesting at a homosexual event. The charges eventually were tossed out.
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