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Gramajo320
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Soft Touch, we are to follow Jesus Christ and his teachings. We are not to malign others and more specifically those who preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and led ever so many many people to Jesus Christ. There is only one person who knows exactly what is in everyone's heart and that is God and only God. Now this is all I'm saying to you on this subject because having my focus on Jesus Christ and God is top priority now.
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I have to honestly say... reading through this thread had me entirely exhausted.. so much so I could barely read through some of the extensively long posts...
There are so many verses thoughout the bible that can be cross referenced to all that has been said and in the tone to which we have all said them.
There are times it seems to me that opinions are defensive "truths" or what have you... "Jesus said this and scripture says that"...
Perhaps its my perspective on it but, it saddens me that instead of looking at this with an open heart ... with an open mind... many of us take what we hear or see as being "Gosple", causing conflict or upheavel... It never ceaces to amaze me how Satan will take one small thing and weave it into something very disheartening.
I was really inadamate about posting.. this or anything after reading some of the posts... Yes everyone is entitled to their opinion... no one is perfect.... But as Christians, are we not suposed to be a comfort for one another? Listen (read in this case) objectively and take care as to what we say, how we say them?
I dunno, maybe I am way off base here, after-all what you read and how your percieve/interpret it, is not necessarily the reality or intent?
right?
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Originally posted by Gramajo320:
We are to keep our focus on God and His Holy Word and that's what we do for we are to follow Jesus Christ and His teachings and also we are to listen to the Holy Spirit and to obey what the Holy Spirit tells us that we are to do.
I agree completely. Here's something else the Holy Spirit tells us to do:
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2 Timothy 4
1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
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I feel like we just keep going in this crazy circle on these issues and it never stops. I don't understand why God's Word isn't sufficient to prove these things?
God's word says there is No Other Name under heaven by which we can be saved. Jesus is the Only Way. Graham, Shuller, and even Pope John Paul II said otherwise... what's not to get?
and Gramajo, nice 'Duck' on that question I asked... So, I'll ask it again: Do you believe that what Shuller and Graham said in those quotes is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, or even Biblical at all?
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HisGrace, I didn't mean to say that you HAD called me a liar, because you haven't. What I was saying is that you could if you wanted to. I'm sorry I didn't relay that better.
However, there is no way I misrepresented what was said. I wish there were a way to show that clip on here, perhaps then you could see it for yourself.
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We are to keep our focus on God and His Holy Word and that's what we do for we are to follow Jesus Christ and His teachings and also we are to listen to the Holy Spirit and to obey what the Holy Spirit tells us that we are to do.
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Walt,
It is easy to put our hopes in people because they seem more real to us than God. We can see them on T.V. and in person. But we must realize that they are flesh and blood like us. We at the same time cannot hide our heads in the sand and make like this did not happen. Because, what would we say, when our family our friends tell us that we don't have to worry about going to Church or serving God, because this person said we are going to Heaven anyway. We need to know what is going on in order to be able to answer them. At the same time we need to pray for one another. It is going to get harder and harder to stand up for God.
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All this (Graham and Osteen) shows us:
DO NOT put our hope or focus on men and what they may or may not say
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Focus SOLEY on Yahweh and Yahshua and what They say through Their Living Active Word – The BIBLE
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Now, you can call me a liar if you wish, but I Testify that He Said This. I heard and saw it.
Since the tone has escalated to the point of my being accused of calling you a liar, SoftTouch, it is time I drop the subject with you.
I didn't say you lied. I just believe you may have misinterpreted Billy Graham's words, and sometimes you have been given the wrong information.
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It's time to focus on God and that's what I prefer to do now.
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Here is a paraphrased quote from an Interview I Watched (4 Times in fact to be sure I heard it right because I have it on DVD). Robert Schuller is interviewing Billy Graham:
In this interview Billy Graham says: “God is calling a people out for himself. Among the Muslim, Buddist, Hindu, all people, rather they know Christ or not. I believe they are saved.” (paraphrase)
When Robert Schuller heard Billy Graham make this pronouncement, he was Thrilled. Schuller then said "There is a wideness in god's mercy."
Now I ask you... IS THIS The Gospel of Jesus Christ? Is this Even Biblical?
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I will agree to disagree with you but that is all. You have a right to what you believe and I certainly have the right to my beliefs and what I know to be true. I am in no way calling you or any one else a liar and I want that to be abundantly clear to you.
I've heard for myself many many times over those two ministers preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, I've seen them lead ever so many many people to Jesus Christ through preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. They are in no way shape or form false prophets whatsoever. Maligning them is neither edifying or glorifying to God.
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We are Accountable to God and to one another. The Bible is FULL of instances where people were pointed out (By Name) as being False Teachers or False Prophets. Are we not to follow the example set for us?
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Ephesians 5:11Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
This is NOT About Bashing ANYONE, This is About God's Word and Truth and keeping it Pure.
Now, to teach that those who do not know Christ Jesus as Lord and Savior are going to go to heaven (because they seek god) is a work of Darkness. The Bible Tells us that Jesus Is The Way, The Truth and The Life. NO ONE Comes to the Father but by Him.
HisGrace... I'll say this One More Time:
The Interview I saw was between Robert Schuller and Billy Graham. I SAW and HEARD Billy Graham say that "God is calling a people out for himself among the Muslim, Buddists, Hindu's, etc. Rather they Know Christ of not. I Believe They Are Saved." (That is a paraphrase of the VIDEO CLIP I Watched... therefore I can't give you a Link back).
Now, you can call me a liar if you wish, but I Testify that He Said This. I heard and saw it.
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Carmela,
I totally agree with your posting and also with Red Kermit's and Eduardo's posting. There has been so much time spent in bashing two ministers and that is in no way glorifying to God. It most definitely takes the focus entirely off of God (something that satan really loves) when the focus should be on God and not on bashing or being so entirely negative. I know that both Joel Osteen and Billy Graham preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and they've led ever so many many people to Jesus Christ.
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I agree with RedKermitand Eduardo Grequi. I think that we in this forum are spending way too much time bashing others, when what we should be doing is 1)praying for them and 2) seeking God for ourselves. The more time spent bashing other preachers and looking for negative things to say about them, the less time we are spending in God's word. I don't see God's word being taught or glorified anywhere in this post. I think we need to step back and put our focus back where it belongs.
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God’s Word instructs us to be Bereans. Like those early Christians, we are to search the Scriptures and we are to compare all that we hear with the unchanging, inspired Word of God. Following after a man, no matter how much good he has done at some point in his ministerial career, is risky business. The Apostle Paul warned repeatedly in the Epistles about those who would change and subvert the true Gospel.
I agree. However, when Billy Graham stands before the throne on his appointed day, He will be standing there alone. He will be accountable for his sins. So...what good does it do for us to sit here and bash him? It's none of our concern. Our concern is to follow God and not man. Our concern is to compare what is spoken by others with God's word and choose if we are to accept that word or not. Not to runt he messenger down since none of us are any more perfect then Billy Graham. We seem to forget that he too is only human. I bet if each of us think back through our day, we can think of several things that we have done that did not reflect Jesus. The only difference is that they are well known, we are not. However, we are still doing what we believe is right to lead people to Christ just like Billy Graham is doing.
When we vote, we don't vote for the one we think is best. We pray and ask God "who do you want me to vote for?" God doesn't make mistakes like we do.
I didn't read all of the posts yet but I think this is long enough so I will end here.
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Originally posted by helpforhomeschoolers:
Which interview do you speak of?
His last one with Larry King - it was re-broadcasted on Sunday night.
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His Grace, yes that is exactly what Billy Graham has always preached and is exactly what he has always believed. He follows Jesus Christ and his teachings and he preaches it. His statement of faith says it also. God will expose all of the non-truths about Billy Graham that are circulating about for exactly what they are non-truths.
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I carefully read Billy Graham's interview with Larry King and I see no compromise at all. If people want to misinterpret what he said, of course that can always been done if someone is already ready to pick at straws.
GRAHAM: Because I know what's ahead. It's a paradise that we are going to go into, because to be in the presence of God itself will be a paradise. And I have total, total certainty of that from scripture. And I believe the Bible. I believe that I have received Jesus Christ into my heart. I believe that he has covered all of my sins.
That shows that this is his strong belief and that is what he preaches.
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If you go back and read past post of mine you will see how much I admire Rev. Billy Graham. Yet, if he is telling people that as long as they believe in God they are going to Heaven, he is making a grave mistake. The Bible says even the demons in hell believe in God. True, he may have the truth of God’s Word on his web site, but how many people is he giving a false sense of hope, that will never go to his web site?
It seems to be that he is falling over backwards trying to keep from offending people of different religions. Is he really doing them a favor, if he implies that they will go to Heaven, when it is not true?
While I can appreciate that he wants to end his ministry on a peaceful note, this is the wrong way to do so. The truth is as we get closer to the Lord’s return, we as Christians will have to rock the boat. Yes smooth sailing is nice and peaceful, but this is not what Jesus promised us. We must stand up for the truth. Christians who preach and teach that the only way to Heaven are already considered radicals, in the days to come we will be consider hatters of those who do not believe like we do. We will be looked down on and consider pathetic weak minded people.
May God give us the strength to stand up for the truth and may Jesus return for HIS Church soon!
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I HEARD and SAW Graham say that people will go to heaven even if they don't know Christ.
Absolutely ridiculous - something has been lost in the translation. I have heard him say something to the effect that Jesus loves the Muslims, Catholics, etc., but I am absolutely positive that he believes in the cross for redemption.
In fact I heard in a little clipet in one of his sites, with own words, that "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God" and that we all have to be born again and forgiven of our sins. He also said that we should honour the Ten Commandments.
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The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association believes: (Statement of Faith)
This means Absolutely Nothing. I HEARD and SAW Graham say that people will go to heaven even if they don't know Christ. That's what he's teaching! Haven't you read anything on here? Why do you constantly defend False Teachers? Plenty of people have given you EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY of the heresies of certain teachers and yet you Still Refuse to see the truth. I'll keep praying for you!
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"All that is needed for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.?
I am just curious how you view this?
It seems to me that we have little influence on who the candidates are, but we do have a choice about which of them we choose.
God did not birth us into a dictatorship or a monarchy or a democracy or a parlimentary government, but he did birth us here in this representative republic of states.
Do you think that he did not intend us to participate in it? If so, why?
I'll do my best to try and explain why I'm coming to the conclusions I've come to.
In all the research I've been doing on the Freemasons/Illumanti, and Especially on the two DVDs I've just recently gotten, I've come to understand that America is no longer a "Republic" (as it was intended to be) since sometime in the 1930's - things changed. It was around this time that the Freemasons/Illumanti gained majority control of our government and began putting their own candidates into elections. This was during the administration of FDR. The Majority of the time (in any given election), the choice we have is between two of their people. Their people serve Satan. I see our (supposed) choice as being "the lesser of two evils" and I'm not comfortable at all with that.
Sis, you would not believe some of the things that have gone on in our government in order to bring about the New World Order (the Anti-Christ kingdom). I've got to find a way to get these DVD's reproduced (the author gives permission to do this) and send you a copy! It's just impossible for me to try to explain all the things I've found out.
Sorry I can't explain this better, but I can say that we only 'think' that we have a choice or that 'we the people' elect those in office. It's an illusion.
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Back to topic - I like to go the subjects' own sites. That way I know I am going get a firsthand version and not something edited or taken out of context.
The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association believes: (Statement of Faith)
• The Bible to be the infallible Word of God, that it is His holy and inspired Word, and that it is of supreme and final authority.
• In one God, eternally existing in three persons—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
• Jesus Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary. He led a sinless life, took on Himself all our sins, died and rose again, and is seated at the right hand of the Father as our mediator and advocate.
• That all men everywhere are lost and face the judgment of God, and need to come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ through His shed blood on the cross.
• That Christ rose from the dead and is coming soon.
• In holy Christian living, and that we must have concern for the hurts and social needs of our fellowmen.
• We must dedicate ourselves anew to the service of our Lord and to His authority over our lives.
• In using every modern means of communication available to us to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ throughout the world.
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You know I have had discussions with Dale about this, he does not vote for the same reasons Deb. I struggle with that because I feel that God put me here in this country where the leadership is selected by citizens of this country and so God must have intended me to vote. I see it as a responsibility not to the Government, but to God to do everything in my power which is limited to my one vote, to elect the best choice between the avilable choices.
I tend to think of that quote....Who said it?
"All that is needed for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.?
I am just curious how you view this?
It seems to me that we have little influence on who the candidates are, but we do have a choice about which of them we choose.
God did not birth us into a dictatorship or a monarchy or a democracy or a parlimentary government, but he did birth us here in this representative republic of states.
Do you think that he did not intend us to participate in it? If so, why?
Dale if you are around and read this I am also interested on your thoughts in this regard.
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AMEN Whitesands! I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter who you vote for, therefor, I'm no longer going to vote.
This last election was a prime example... BOTH candidates were members of the Skull & Bones Secret Society.
Now I know, God puts people in power for HIS purposes. I understand this. But knowing what I now know about 'agendas' in government, I can No Longer participate. God will Still put whom HE wills into whatever positions of leadership HE chooses even if I don't vote. The New World Order will come about with our without my participation, but I choose NOT to help it along, but to Expose it whenever and where ever I can.
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George Bush, Clinton, or Kerry...It doesn't matter..Each year the world gets closer to world government and our own government gets larger and gains more control...
"Liberating" middle eastern countries and installing "democracy" is nothing more than the streamlining of political philosophies throughout the world to further global government.
As each country yields to "democracy" and puts in place a "democratic" system it sets up the stage for the antichrist to come to power.
Take a good look at Europe which is supposed to be home of the antichrist and see their tax sytem...
Democracy today is a mixture of communism and capitalism called socialism...
In America we are currently living in a socialistic government, but it's not YET as intrusive as the EU.
Keep arguing about Bush or Clinton and IMHO you will get nowhere but angry and no matter which of the two you pick world government has gained steam...Yes, even with Bush in office and we have perhaps gained the most momentum toward the new world order with Bush in office...Patriot act, homeland security, and a national I.D. that was purposely snuck in a war spending bill as a cover. To blame Bush for the whole deal would be wrong because there are many others involved in the process behind the scenes that are rarely or never mentioned in the news.
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The Deception of Billy Graham, a Mind-Control Front
In 1992, Billy Graham broadcast all over the U.S. his radio show called Embrace America 2000. In the Louisiana area, it came over the KJAM Lafayette Station. During the show, Billy Graham told the American people we need to embrace the New World Order.
Billy Graham is also on record stating that people can have salvation through paganism (another name for witchcraft). For instance, in McCall Magazine (Jan. 1978) Graham stated, "I used to believe that pagans in far-off countries were lost--were going to hell. I no longer believe that. I believe that there are other ways of recognizing the existence of God--through nature, for instance." Pagans believe that salvation can be obtained through nature.
Update: I got a copy of the article with the transcript of the interview of Billy Graham by Robert Schuller in Christian News newspaper of 1997 p.15. Librarians are great to help one get a copies of sources like that. I also found the other quote about Pagan getting 'saved' through nature in the McCall's magazine of January 1978 (not 1987, that was a typo on your website) on pg. 156-157. The title of the McCall's article is "I can't play God anymore" and the writer is James Michael Beam. At the library, I also found a book that Billy Graham published in 1961 (Word Books Publisher. Call # 234.2G76). The title is "How To Be Born Again" and on pages 56 and 57 he alludes that you can be saved without knowing Christ or His name, just by seeing God's attributes in Nature. I photocopied all that and showed them to my church friends. That convinced them, and they reluctantly agreed that Graham's has unbiblical beliefs about salvation. And his heretical beliefs are consistent over time too, because those documents are from 1961, 1978, and 1997. Sent in by (Anonymous)
This is not a pleasant story. Billy Graham has been built up to be the most respected popular person in America, Who wants to find out they have been deceived? We will try to give you the facts, or evidence, and may God grant you wisdom as you read this. This section is not propaganda for our own personal views. Years ago, when Fritz set out on his search, he had no final outcome in mind. Fritz isn’t concerned with concealing facts one way or the other. There is no desire to stampede our readers any where. We do want to clarify many issues. We do want to help the truth seeker. But the co-authors personally have no battle to win, except that truth be brought forth.
The issues at stake are not trivial. Historically, Billy Graham’s deception is one of the ,,greatest" deceptions that has ever been perpetrated. Some might argue the greatest, making Benedict Arnold, Quisling, and the Trojan Horse pale into insignificance. Allow us to introduce you just briefly into the world of the Illuminati, All top hierarchy Satanists are required to have covers, The Illuminatus will have multiple personalities, and he or she will have one personality that is particularly shown to the outside world. They (the Programmers, handlers and the Illuminati councils) try to get the best covers that they can. They like to be clergymen, but they are also mayors of big cities, lawyers, doctors, etc. A Christian psychiatrist who has worked with numerous victims of Satanism and Multiple Personality Disorder wrote this observation after having worked with a large number of ex-multi-generational programmed Satanic multiples, "Some Satanists have invaded the church as it is the perfect cover for them. They masquerade as angels of light and gravitate towards positions of leadership in order to have more influence. Because much of what they say is sound doctrinally, they are rarely detected. Most survivors whom I have worked with had satanist parents who were in high positions in churches; many were pastors." (Dr. Fox, Loreda. The Spiritual and Clinical Dimensions of Multiple Personality Disorder. Salida, CO: Books of Sangre de Cristo, p. 196.)
Let us repeat what Dr. Loreda Fox said, "Most survivors whom I have worked with had satanist parents who were in high positions in churches; many were pastors." She didn’t say "some," she said MOST. Independently, we have discovered the very same thing. People don’t grasp that just because a preacher can sincerely preach what seems a "perfect sermon," doesn’t mean that he can’t also be part of the Satanic hierarchy. What is happening with the Illuminati’s ability to create programmed multiples is that we are getting perfect preachers who are secret hierarchy members. Some of their "perfect sermons" are full of slides, such as "the Christian people need to get involved in the voting process. Christians love to hear such things, it tickles their ears, but the truth is that the entire voting process has been captured and corrupted. Voting machines have repeatedly been exposed to have been rigged, and the controlled media and public denial have prevented Americans from giving up their myth that the common man’s votes run this nation. VoteScam - So Easy As To Be Laughable
(The subject of election corruption is dealt with in Fritz’s newsletters, etc.) In Fritz’s Be Wise As Serpents book (which exposed Billy Graham as a Luciferian in 1991), it is explained that high level Satanism is Gnosticism which requires that "the Force" of these great satanic magicians be balanced. In other words, in high level Satanism your good deeds must balance your evil deeds. People do not realize that unless someone does "good" deeds they cannot be a high level Satanist. That is why some of the greatest philanthropists are also our leading national satanists, To see Billy Graham do something commendable does not disqualify him from satanism. In fact, it is a requirement if he’s been part of the Illuminati, such as ex-insiders/witnesses say he was. In fact, it wasn’t until working on this book that an eyewitness to the mind-control abuse of at the hands of Billy Graham offered to help contribute to this section of the book. In other words, an eyewitness helped write this. This eyewitness account by the Co-author matches what the list of eyewitnesses that Fritz assembled in 1993 have said, But the eyewitness went further and exposed B.G. crusades’ skillful use of Monarch slaves to launder drug money. Several police officers have stated that today, there is for all practical purposes no police training helping police to understand Satanism. They are highly trained in many areas, but Satanism is avoided. When an SRA case involving multiplicity in Olympia, WA recently happened, the police who investigated the case found that they were treated as international experts in satanism by other policemen. They themselves knew that they knew very little. Where are the experts to teach us about how the Illuminati functions? Where are the experts who know who are in the Illuminati? There is no college open to the public that teaches Advanced Illuminati Studies 401, and gives degrees in Satanism. The expert witnesses are those who have managed to leave the Illuminati and Satanism, and stay alive long enough to talk. But the other side will argue, how can we verify the testimony of your witnesses Fritz? Remember what happened to over 100 people who had some type of knowledge about the Kennedy assassination? Jim Marrs in his book Crossfire on the Kennedy Assassination lists 103 people who were key figures in knowing about the assassination who have died, many in circumstances that indicate assassination. The story we are dealing with here is just as sensitive to the elite as Kennedy’s assassination, because it involves their preparations for the creation of a false Christ, called by Christians the AntiChrist, who will be the master handler/programmer. The LIST OF known & credible WITNESSES If the authors were to call my list of witnesses up to the witness stand--which I can’t for it would be a death sentence to many of them, the list would include:
1 Council of Foreign Relations member, who is secretly against the New World Order
1 National Security Agency person, who is against the New World Order
1 CIA high level administrator 2 Satanists, still in covens, but unhappy enough with the situation to talk 4 ex-Satanists, 3 of which are eyewitnesses, all Christians now 2 ex-New Age leaders who worked with the Conspiracy, both became Christians 1 ex-33° Mason, now a Christian Various Christians who have worked with Billy Graham, Pastors, etc. Various therapists working with SRA victims The man who ran Security at the Sacramento Crusade Alice Braemer, a woman who worked as a secretary for Jeanne Dixon
None, except for a couple of exceptions, none of these people knew anything about what the other witnesses (sources) had said. The high degree of validation and collaboration that separate testimony by witnesses who have never seen each other and live in different parts of the country is very powerful. There are several questions that pop up into people’s minds who are not familiar with who Fritz is, and are not familiar with these witnesses. The type of worries some readers could be naturally having might be: But how are we, the readers, to know how accurate these people are? Are they trustworthy? Do they have a reputation for honesty? Could they possibly be giving false information to discredit a great man of God? These kind of questions can be natural questions for people unfamiliar with how this information was obtained. But we assure you, that what we pass on from these eyewitnesses can be relied upon. None of these worries have any substance to them, because the manner in which Fritz came to find out about Billy Graham has generally been while he was researching other things related to the Illuminati. The author has not been out to build a case, the case has built itself from numerous detached witnesses who have nothing to gain by telling what they know. These witnesses have not come to Fritz to feed him bogus information. Just the paper trail on Billy Graham is very revealing in itself. Generally the information of these witnesses has been confided by these witnesses to their trusted friends. Initially, these witness have had no idea that the information they confided in their trusted close associates would go beyond their most trusted friends. These trusted friends then have had permission to let me contact them or find out their information. The reason why these people are believable is that the information they reveal could get them killed, and second, the manner and circumstances of how the information has originally unfolded has never been in any fashion or method that could be construed as an attempt to give false information.
CLARIFYING WHAT IS LOOKED FOR IN PROOF?
Too many people are considered guilty unless proven innocent--which means that a legitimate search for truth has NOT taken place. On the flip side, we must bear in mind that hidden information that has laid dormant for years may totally reverse our understanding of something. Exceptional circumstances may surprise us, If some item does not lend itself to totally irrefutable, totally unqualified claims, then knowing this, the proper investigator uses words like "almost certainly" and ,,most likely". If the investigator feels strongly that everything is totally clear, he may declare that something is correct "without qualification." This is the nature of proof. We need to understand the qualifications and reservations that often are attached to evidence or conclusions. But we certainly do want to press our investigations as far as possible to get as many "unqualified" conclusions as possible. Of course, by the time we write this, we have already done our investigating, and have one conclusion without any qualification: Billy Graham is working for the Satanic Hierarchy. We want to try to introduce the material in such a way that you will get some sense of the search, so that you will not simply accept our conclusion but will make rational spirit-led critically-thought-out decisions about Billy Graham.
So for the sake of the reader’s investigation, please, let us unshackle ourselves from our prejudices and preconceived labels. Let us suspend our judgment about Billy Graham one way or the other, until we have thoroughly studied, prayed and gained discernment about this. It might be interesting to get some of the Masons, who casually without realizing what they were saying, have talked about Billy Graham’s membership, or other aspects of his Masonic involvement. It’s doubtful that such men would be of any value on the witness stand. Their numerous Masonic oaths to lie and conceal Freemasonry under penalties of gruesome death would tend to have more influence on them than swearing on a Bible. (See Duncan’s Masonic Ritual book, p. 30 for the 1st Degree oath.)
This type of witness, because they talked accidentally and casually are very valuable witnesses to whoever accidentally hears them, but unfortunately they must be assumed to be still loyal to the Masonic Lodge and would be hostile witnesses that will not cooperate. If this were an actual court of law, depositions of Billy Graham’ s staff could be taken, so that it could be revealed to the court how many times they have lied. By showing their lies, their testimony would be impeached and Christians would realize that Billy Graham’s staff have played a major role in the deception. This article will put forth evidence that impeaches the testimony of Billy Graham’s staff. We must refer readers to the Be Wise As Serpents book and other writings of Fritz for more information. Also some other books will be named too. Because these leaders are corrupt, they have been participating in the mass deception of the world about what Billy Graham does and who he is. In fact, if this were a court of law all types of people could be subpoenaed to take depositions, and we might find out many more things than we already know.
THE MOTIVATION OF THE CO-AUTHORS
Many people, who like Billy Graham, have imputed evil motives to anyone exposing Billy Graham. As the Scripture say at one point, "Am I to become your enemy because I tell you the truth?" The story about Billy Graham and his life-long career for the Illuminati is not an easy thing for us to write. We do not enjoy speaking negative things against people. We do enjoy speaking positive things about people. And yet no man, no servant of God is above reproach. We can personally have an inner peace that what we have done was what we should have done. Something needs to be done to wake mankind up before its too late.
CLARIFYING WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE TESTIMONY
In some subjects, going to the encyclopedia or almanac will settle questions. In dealing with the Illuminati and high levels of the occult world -- unless the investigator is willing to listen to eye-witness testimony, he or she will get nowhere. There is rarely any written record of their secret activities. But how much stock can be put in eye-witnesses? Many people up to now have criticized Fritz for using eye-witnesses. But remember that if we did manage to get some paper trail or books on the subject, that book paper trail would not be acceptable in court, or even if allowed would not be as important as our eyewitnesses. In court, the written records can be introduced along with the person who recorded them. In other words, the personal witness is still important even with written documents. The testimony of our eyewitnesses expose Billy Graham’s mind-control activities. Still, we want to bear in mind that witnesses have varying degrees of credibility and knowledge. The qualifications of witness in relation to what they are testifying is important. But to simply dismiss all these witnesses because they are not paper is simply to cut ourselves off from many valuable sources of information. In accumulating evidence, the researcher will come upon two types of information. One is prearranged evidence and the other is called casual evidence. Casual evidence is evidence that has just happened to appear by accident. An actual example is when friends of mine met a total stranger who happens to be a Mason and he offhandedly talks about Billy Graham being a Freemason. Casual evidence is simply evidence that happens without the interested party having anything to do with it surfacing.
Finding casual evidence is generally "luck"’, In this case, Fritz has bumped into a great deal of casual evidence, simply because he had his eyes open and has been investigating this area for several years. Because of the situation today in this nation, there is little chance to get a proper hearing of this information. In terms of the future, indeed, the backlash from this book may silence us. The truth will still remain, even if we and the other witnesses don’t. We can draw conclusions about ducks from studying various types of ducks. I can not draw conclusions about radios from studying ducks, I can generalize about American made cars, but I can’t include in my generalization about American cars an ox-cart in India. This may sound basic, and it is, yet people try to generalize by lumping the generational Satanists in with everybody else, and it just doesn’t work. They also try to draw conclusions about the Freemasons on the basis of what the Rotary Club they belong to is like and it just doesn’t work. In terms of trying to get a proper hearing today, one of the barriers is that people use their own experiences to draw conclusions. People have nothing in their experience to allow them to draw conclusions about the Illuminati programmers/handlers who are moral degenerates and programmed multiples, who will do anything, in spite of their nice fronts.
The policies of DECEPTION by the Billy Graham Crusade staff In 1992, a Christian named Richard Bennett, a friend of Fritz’s confronted the Billy Graham Crusade staff. What he was concerned about was the Billy Graham crusade policy (that has been in place since the 50’s) of sending Catholics that come forward back to Catholic churches. Documentation shows that the deception is worse than that, new believers that have never gone to any church are sometimes referred by the Billy Graham counselors to the Catholic Church. Now, why would Richard and Fritz be concerned about the Catholic Church? Richard Bennett was a priest from Ireland who worked at the Vatican, before giving his life to Christ. He knows how the Catholic hierarchy prevents people from realizing what they have in Christ. For those who have read Fritz’s Be Wise As Serpents book chapter 2.2 you know that Fritz is very concerned when anyone gives their allegiance to a power structure that is part of the NWO and part of its Monarch trauma-based total mind control. Not everything about the Catholic church is wrong. Yet, the Billy Graham Crusade could never get the support it gets from conservative Christians if Billy Graham’s staff didn’t lie about where Crusade converts are sent. What Richard and Fritz were concerned about was that new Christians would be sent to Catholic churches, which now are teaching Zen Buddhism, New Age things, not the salvation by grace that these new Christians need.
Granted the enthusiasm of these new Christians might infuse some life into the Catholic church, but a babe in Christ is defenseless. He needs nurture, and the chance to grow. It isn’t meant for new Christians to be thrown to the wolves. Anyway, last Spring and Summer, the Billy Graham Crusade Executive committee was confronted face to face with the evidence of what the Billy Graham Crusade in Sept. ’93 was going to do. Actually, more people than Richard did confront them, but Richard is one of the most knowledgeable ministries to the Catholics in this area. What the Billy Graham Crusade Executive Committee told Richard Bennett was that he had nothing to worry about. That the crusade would never send anyone to a Catholic church, but that if new converts wanted to go there on their own, that was their own choice. Four Catholic leaders sat on the Executive Committee for the ’92 Portland Crusade -- Chancellor Mary Joe Telly, a deacon and two priests. On the Catholic radio station, (and we have it recorded,) Mary Joe Telly of the Billy Graham Executive Committee along with another Bishop Wall Schmidt told the Catholic listeners not to worry that if they came forward they would be guaranteed that they would be referred back to a Catholic church. They gave the assurance four times in that talk show. They said that the decision to send people who came forward to Catholic churches was firm because it had come right from the very top. This was 6 p.m KVDM Portland station. Our recording of this is a record of just one of thousands of lies that the Billy Graham Crusade people have told Christians over the years. In fact, from the evidence it appears the Billy Graham Crusade people say whatever they have to, regardless of the truth.
In the North Star Baptist, Nov. 1964 there was article by Japheth Perez, who as a convert in the NY 1957 Billy Graham Crusade and a brand-new Christian, was sent to a Catholic church by the Billy Graham Crusade. Ian Paisley wrote this comment about Billy Graham’s staff: "Dr. Graham did not reply. He never does reply to letters like this. He states he never defends himself. He does have a staff, however, who are paid to defend him and who are never hampered by facts or bothered by ethics or logic in carrying out their duties. One of the group, George L. Edstrom, replied. The Jesuits themselves could not give a finer example of casuistry than his. It is thoroughly dishonest and deceitful, ...However, since this technique of deceit by misdirection, this failure to face up to the issues, this disregard of fact, and this blasphemous attempt to identify Dr. Graham’s official connection with infidels and his flattery and endorsement of them with our Lord’s ministry to publicans and sinners is so typical of the Graham organization..."
In Fritz’s June ’93 Newsletter From A Christian Ministry, a letter from Graham’ s staff was reproduced with a point by point exposure of its lies. Christians are really not well aware of what the Billy Graham Crusade does. We quote a paragraph from a letter sent to Billy Graham clear back in the 1950s by a Pastor who, grieved by what Billy Graham was doing to the harvest field, said: "Some people say that if you have just one convert in an evangelistic campaign, it is worth the meeting. That is not true. The evangelist, as the pastor and teacher, is given to the Body of Christ. The real test of an evangelistic campaign is not how many people are converted but what kind of a spiritual condition does it leave in a community. Billy Graham is not only failing in the number of people he leads to the Lord Jesus Christ in this day when hearts are hungry and most people are afraid of what may happen in the world and when it is easier to get people converted than it ever has been in my lifetime, but Billy Graham is pulling the limbs off of the evangelistic trees and the orchard is being left in bad condition. As we have often said, the real test of an evangelist is not just how many converts he has but does he leave the orchard in condition so it will keep bearing fruit."
BILLY GRAHAM’S ACTIVE ROLE IN SATANIC RITUAL ABUSE
Before we get into the details, we’ll take an overview. Satanists thrive on power. Satan loves to give his followers power. Satan took Christ to the mountaintop and told Christ that he’d have a "crusade" and bring every one to follow Christ, if Christ would just bow down and worship him. Christ refused. Billy Graham accepted it. We know a great deal how the Satanists took Billy Graham, the brush salesman and made him into the famous evangelist that he has become. Additionally, we also know from victims of Satanism, that have come out of it, that Billy Graham has been a Satanist himself. How can this be? and how can we know this? One of the best witnesses is a Monarch program survivor, who has escaped from being a high-level Pentagon slave. This survivor witnessed Billy Graham working for the Illuminati. This survivor also carried messages for the Satanic hierarchy and personally knows that Billy Graham has been carrying messages from the top secret Illuminati to Presidents and heads of state. This person ’s information has been backed up by independent witnesses. A second ex-Satanist also remembers Billy Graham as a Satanist. Still another person, an ex-Illuminati person, who has MPD stood in front of Billy Graham and watched his eyes. This person said that it was very clear that Billy Graham has MPD and that he switches personalities. By happenchance or God’s will, Fritz received a report from one of the women who went to church with Billy Graham’s wife Ruth. The woman was told by Ruth in conversation that her husband Billy Graham is strange in that he always sleeps with his eyes open. It is characteristic of people who have MPD to sleep with their eyes open. People who have MPD may have a devout Christian personality and a devout Satanic personality all within a single body. This is not uncommon.
In Billy Graham’s case, he is fully aware of what he is doing for the enemy in all his personalities, although his Christian personality may not be ecstatic about it all. Billy Graham’s Decision magazine has on its front page caption is "‘Changed From the Inside Out," and displays an infinity loop on the cover. Many Monarch slaves have had lots of programming around the infinity loop. This is an important trigger to remind them how they are captured by the unending repeating rebuilding programming. There are countless little things like this, which are evidence that Billy Graham is playing a role in the satanic mind-control of the Illuminati. Dr. Schefflin, a mind-control expert, told me that he saw internal documents from the 1950s teaching Billy Graham’s people on how to have a successful revival. These documents instructed crusade counselors on things which were elements of mind-control, such as delaying people from coming forward to confess Christ until the "right" time. If you’ve ever wondered how much Billy Graham knows--if the Illuminati haven’t told him, a concerned Christian named David Hill, who was an ex-Mafia/ex-New Ager/ex-Mason did. The concerned Christian was a friend of Franklin Graham (Billy’s son) and he had lived for two years at Billy Graham’s house. He didn’t realize that Graham had been sucked into the New World Order until he had confronted Billy Graham. David Hill, who was a ex-Mason turned Christian, who had worked with many of the world’s elite, spent 18 hours in a hotel room warning Billy Graham about the New World Order. Billy Graham told David Hill at the end of their two days of talking in this eastern U.S. hotel room that he was "a captive of that [NWO] organization." In other words, after placing himself under the Illuminati’s sponsorship in the late ‘40s, Billy Graham has had the choice of continuing to do his job for them, or being destroyed. Since they created who he is, they can destroy him. And he knows it.
David Hill went on to try to expose the New World Order and lost (was murdered) his life just as he finished a manuscript exposing it. Even a well-informed Christian like David Hill, who tried to warn Billy Graham about the NWO, was unaware of the extent of the deception of the Illuminati’s mind control. David didn’t know about programmed multiples. David Hill, who was a high ranking Scottish Rite Freemason and an important Mafia figure before he came to Christ, had even been the go between for Billy Graham and Joe Banana, a Mafia kingpin. It was David Hill, who innocently believing in Billy Graham, arranged the meeting for the two men. David Hill knew that William Randolph Hearst was part of the Illuminati, He was part of the branch Illuminati -- at what could be termed the 6th degree. William Randolph Hearst was totally into paganism. That is very obvious by a tour of his mansion in California which has been turned into a museum. It was William Randolph Hearst who financed the first three years of Billy Graham’s Crusades. Stu PAK is associated with the Stewart Title Company. Stu Pak provides funds for Billy Graham and others. The head of Stu Pak is friends with Billy Graham and George Bush. The company has a lot of relatives running it. The Morris family is also tied to it, The people of Stewart Title Company are ruthless. The Van Duyn Illuminati family in California also helped Billy Graham’s ministry get started. One of the ways the Illuminati funneled money to Billy Graham was through a monthly check delivered to Jeanne Dixon’s office, which was picked up every month by Billy Graham’s staff.
After Dixon’s secretary came to Christ she tried to expose Billy Graham’s connection to Jeanne Dixon. Jeanne Dixon sells crystal balls with snakes. She is part of the Illuminati. Billy Graham wrote her a letter calling her "a woman of God." Dixon’s secretary had a copy of this letter with Billy Graham’s signature on it, after she became a Christian. In 1952, in Paris, Billy Graham and another evangelist had dinner with two prostitutes and each one took one of them home. Billy Graham had a wife and children at home, so the whole affair was totally improper for an evangelist even if Billy Graham didn’t have sex with the woman. He told his friend only that the prostitute had taken off her clothes and he’d gotten scared and come back to their hotel room. See Frady, Marshall. Billy Graham, A Parable of American Righteousness. Boston: Little, Brown & Co., p.169-170. In 1954, the man who ran security for the Sacramento Crusade saw a high-priced hooker sneak into Billy Graham’s room prior to him going out for the Crusade. Billy Graham and this high priced hooker were alone together in the room, It is this type of thing that has opened Billy Graham up to blackmail. Should Graham ever try to stray from the proper course set for him by the Illuminati, they have plenty of ammunition to blackmail him. (You may ask why would the Satanists from generational satanic families want to intimidate Billy Graham with fear? Why, isn’t he from a generational satanic family? The answer is that the whole Satanic system operates off of fear. Intimidation & fear are standard everyday parts of their makeup and actions. Sort of the counterpart to the saying there is no honor among thieves.
The Satanic hierarchy are in constant intimidation and power struggles.) When Billy Graham wanted to, he could call up Henry Kissinger and say, "Tell him to call me the minute he comes in." (Frady, p. 451) Henry Kissinger is right in the middle of what the Illuminati is doing. Another Illuminatus that Graham had a working relationship with is Henry Luce, friend of the Baruchs. Luce and Billy Graham spent several nights staying up talking late into the night. Knowing how the Illuminati work, it is very safe to assume that they have pushed Billy Graham into further degenerate acts. They have probably done everything they can to pervert Billy Graham, so there is no telling what sexual sins remain hidden. Kissinger is a member of P2 Freemasonry. If we were to assume that Billy Graham were not involved (and that is a big IF since we know that he is), then if one studies P2 Masonic recruiting tactics given in the book In God’s Name, p. 116, then the reader will grasp that anyone of Billy Graham’s stature who associates so freely with P2 Freemasons will be targeted and blackmailed and forced to join. Once they join, new members are forced to compromise other possible targets. Billy Graham is part of the people who implement the Monarch program (which was a joint Illuminati/CIA total mind control program done to people). We know that he is serviced by Monarch sexual slaves (their kitten alters). It is very easy for the network to keep these poor victims (Monarch slaves) from talking, and so the full extent of much of what has gone on may not come out in our lifetimes. Another possible clue about Billy Graham’s hidden life comes from Billy Graham himself. Do the readers remember how Jimmy Swaggert would disguise himself with sun glasses, etc. and his staff helped him carry out what he in part confessed?
In Hollywood, FL (yes, FL!) Billy Graham said that he "often attends loveins and rock festivals incognito by putting on a false mustache and beard." He also said he found the experience in doing that kind of thing "refreshing." This story was in the Chicago Daily News, Dec. 29, 1969. The article’s purpose appears to have been to make Billy Graham look hip to today’s rock and roll crowds of teenagers. Billy Graham described his friendship with Alan Dulles, I make every effort not to let it appear that I favor one party over another. I count Secretary Dulles a friend, but Senator Humphrey is also a good friend of mine, [who he met] ... when we were both swimming nude at the YMCA pool in Minneapolis where he was running for mayor." A friendship with Alan Dulles? Alan Dulles, director of the CIA, was one of the biggest perpetrators of the trauma-based mind-control that this book is about. Humphrey also received orders from the Satanic hierarchy. And what is this swimming in nude? When Billy Graham had his 1954 Crusade, large sums of the money came directly from people in the Illuminati, the Whitneys, the Vanderbilts, the Rockefellers, and Chase Manhattan. Billy Graham has numerous times attended Hollywood cocktail parties. Just two examples of which are: one given by Debbie Reynolds, and another one which was a cocktail party for Hollywood stars put on by Nixon at his San Clemente, CA home on a Sunday evening. Billy Graham’s schedule is filled with activities such as playing golf with people who are in the Illuminati, or are Hollywood types. The full impact of this constant fellowshipping with darkness is hard for people to grasp, because they picture that Graham is an evangelist and so therefore he must go where the sinners are.
There is an expression, show me a man’ s friends and I’ll tell you about him. It’s one thing to spend time with evil to give it a chance to repent and come to the light, It is another to fellowship with evil and allow it to remain in darkness. Let us quote from a neutral source, a group who had been investigating the role of church and state. They were trying to determine for their study whether Billy Graham has had an impact on all the Presidents from Eisenhower to Clinton, This study was not pro or anti Graham, It was simply trying to determine what impact this religious leader is having on political leaders. Billy Graham has spent a lot of time with all the Presidents, so their question was "has Billy Graham had some type of impact?" Their conclusion printed in the Journal of Church and State concludes, .. . .could Graham speak the word of truth - especially when that word may be critical or slashing -to the man in the White House when he is on such friendly terms with him? On the basis of the evidence now available, the answer must be no." What a person does on his free time is said to be revealing. Christ did spend his time with sinners, but he called them to repentance. In all my study of Billy Graham, I haven’t seen any of the Hollywood movie stars or politicians change their lifestyles by their association with Billy Graham. A number of "conversions" have been artificially created, and given widespread publicity by the press.
Pat Boone is the type of close friend of Billy Graham that perhaps typifies Billy Graham. He is someone well-received by the public. Billy Graham has enjoyed using him in Crusades. Pat Boone continued playing in Playboy type night clubs while he was singing at Billy Graham Crusades. Pat Boone who is pro-jewish, may be jewish, because the State of Israel has given him some special positions. There is nothing wrong with having ,,jewish blood", it just explains some of his connections. The Nugen Hand Bank was a CIA operation that laundered money, and did many illegal activities. Pat Boone was part of the Nugen Hand Bank scandal. Exactly how deep he was involved with the CIA’s dirty dealing is unclear. Pat Boone’s daughter Debbie Boone made a hit out of the song ,,You Light Up My Life", the words of the song were written by a woman who worshipped Lucifer and wrote the song to Lucifer. Billy Graham has placed the emphasis in his Crusades on putting liberals, even Catholic priests, up on the platform with himself. When does Billy Graham ever spend time with solid devout Christians? Every time Billy Graham went to Moscow he tried to avoid the devout Christians of the unregistered churches who unwittingly tried unsuccessfully to meet with Graham. Instead, he would meet with the heads of the Orthodox Church, which, since all the changes in Russia, are now proven to have been KGB agents--although most of us had suspected that all along from the type of things they said and did. How naive can Christians get? Do they really think that the Illuminati is going to let a legitimately powerful anointed Christian evangelist have regular access to their people? Don’t Christians realize that if he was a real threat--someone who might really bring one of the top elite to Christ that they would be assassinating him, not wining and dining him.
--"BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS, WHICH COME TO YOU IN SHEEP CLOTHING, BUT INWARDLY THEY ARE RAVENING WOLVES." Mt. 7:15 --"BEHOLD, I AM SENDING YOU FORTH AS LAMBS AMONG WOLVES." Lk. 10:3
The Apostle Paul warned Christian leaders, "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Spirit hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock." Acts 20:28-29 Bill Clinton, some senators, and Billy Graham’s son Ned E. Graham invited the leaders of the Chinese house churches to a prayer breakfast in Washington D.C. Three delegates from the Three Self Patriotic Movement (TSPM) and 3 others from house churches were invited, Lin Xian-Gao, Li Tian-En, and Yuan Xiang-Chen. Rev. Ned Graham visited these chinese in person to extend the U.S. government’s invitation. Graham told the chinese Christians that the government would pick up the entire tab for the breakfast. In return the U.S. government wanted the Christians to promise not to speak to the American press or to any Americans comments that might hurt the image of the Red Chinese government. The Chinese government had promised the American government that they would guarantee safe entry and departure for these house church Christian leaders. Then after the meeting, they were invited to Billy Graham’s house. The Chinese christians declined the invitation by Graham. Chinese pastor Lin said, "If I went to the United States, I would tell the truth, not lies. To tell the truth would definitely be considered an act of damaging the image of the Chinese government which would create a pretext for the government to refuse my re-entry into China. But my commission from God is to serve Him faithfully in China only. Therefore, I choose to remain in China rather than to go abroad." Ned Graham (Billy’s son) tried to talk the Chinese into coming, I know that you surely do love your enemies, why then can you not compromise..." The pastor answered, "Yes, we can forgive our enemies for persecuting or opposing us in their ignorance, but we can never love the false prophets or their heresy."’ Ned also said, "It is a glorious and dignified thing to be invited by President Clinton. Many people seek it, but cannot obtain it. Fortunately, the chinese did not buy it. (This info and quote comes from China The Untold Story by The Voice of the Martyrs, Inc., 1995. pp. 25-31)
BUILDING AN IMAGE
There is another area of Billy Graham that we will only touch on. In one of Fritz’s ‘92 newsletter, Billy Graham is quoted stating that he thought UFOs were angels of God. On either Jan. 28 or 29th (See Smyma, Feb. ‘93, p.3), Billy Graham was interviewed on television by David Frost. Billy Graham said he believed people in heaven are sent by God to other worlds to help them in redemption of life, This is edging somewhat close to what the Mormons believe, that "Christians" (that is Mormons) will each receive their own planet to be god of. In another show, Graham said he wanted to evangelize other planets. Fritz has repeatedly tried to warn Christians of the many demonic dangers associated with the entire UFO phenomena, and the Satanic Hierarchy’s connection to UFOs. Billy Graham’s idea that UFOs are good angels is a dangerous idea. Billy Graham was given the contrived artificial image of being a great anti-Satanist. At the Chicago Crusade, 200 Satanists stood up in the crowds. Mayor Daily of Chicago then said from the stand, Billy we have 200 Satanists that want to disrupt your meeting shall I arrest them? What shall I do? And Billy said, No let’s sing a song. The crowd sang a song and the Satanists left the stadium on their own. The whole affair was clearly staged and hokey, but Christians are very naive about Satanism and Billy Graham. This further confirmed to them that Billy Graham was a great anointed man of God.
First, hard core Satanists don’t show their faces in public. Second, the Mayor of Chicago is not against the Satanists, he works with them, and there are reasons to suspect he is one. Third, Satanists, who do show themselves in public like Anton LaVey, want good publicity and would not carry out something like pretending to want to disrupt a Billy Graham crusade. Fourth, if a real threat had existed, Mayor Daily and the police wouldn’t be asking Billy Graham what to do, they would be taking care of the problem. The police don’t need to ask for permission to take care of troublemakers at the Crusade. Christians accepted this episode at its face value. Those who did clearly show the common church goer’s poor understanding of those who seek to control and destroy the church.
How Billy Graham plays a key role in reprogramming Monarch slaves. Two different talkative Satanists told sources of mine about 2 different coven meetings here in Portland in the Summer of 1993 where the covens discussed the benefits that the satanists were going to get from the Billy Graham Crusade. I know one of the benefits for the satanists was that Monarch programees who had become Christians and had deactivated the effect of their mind-control programming were to be reprogrammed with Billy Graham’ s help. When Billy Graham arrived in town, someone on his Crusade staff had managed to find and send out invitations to many of the survivors of Satanic ritual abuse (SRA) in Portland to come to a special meeting to personally meet with Billy Graham. At this special meeting with SRA victims, Billy Graham personally began saying the buzz words to reactivate these people’s programming, especially the Monarch survivors. (This comes from several witnesses.) For a number of years now, the Billy Graham Crusade has been putting messages across the bottom of television screens that has activation codes for Monarch survivors. Those Monarch survivors who have become devote Christians to escape the nightmare of the Monarch mind-control are often not aware of the danger of watching the Billy Graham Crusade on television. When people are activated, special people are in the area and they take the Monarch survivors to what are called Near Death Trauma Centers. These centers are used then to reprogram these poor people. There were five in this area, of which we located 2 and forced them to move their sites. Religious fronts (denominations, individual churches and certain ministers) are used to hide criminal activity. Billy Graham, who is a programmed multiple himself, is exceptionally adept at managing his Monarch kittens. The drug money laundered through his crusades is carefully handled by many Monarch slaves working in shifts and teams, so that the whole scheme can not be uncovered by catching one person. Billy Graham runs big operations all over the world under the disguise of evangelism. Another of the countless religious covers, that works with the Network’s/Illuminati’s drug activities involves the Mormon Bishop warehouses, which are used to store cocaine. Monarch slaves are involved with this. Different religious labels hide the same criminal Network. By the way, when giving the Patriarchal Blessing, the Mormon Patriarch if he has a Monarch slave will use hypnosis and triggers to convince the person what their future will be like. One can’t say this is happening in every case, but it is very widespread for the Patriarch who give these blessings to be part of the Trauma-based mind-control operations. Billy Graham also personally delivers messages to the Presidents for the Illuminati, such as when he arrived just prior to Bush’s decision to launch Desert Storm. Sometimes the papers even spell out that Billy Graham serves as a message boy, for instance, when he delivered a message in April, 92 from the Pope to North Korea’s dictator Kim.
REFERENCES
The following three books were very helpful to me in terms of documenting Billy Graham’s activities, All three authors were interested in documenting what Billy Graham is really all about. It may sound strange that I say that, but sadly most of the books that touch on Billy Graham like America’s Hour of Decision Including a Life Story of Billy Graham are simply part of the deception process of the enemy. However, if anyone wants to know more about Billy Graham the following three books were very helpful for me to document Billy Graham’s activities.
BILLY GRAHAM, A PARABLE OF AMERICAN RIGHTEOUSNESS by Marshall Frady. Marshall Frady was a writer for Life and Newsweek. He has done an incredible amount of research into Billy Graham’s life. He doesn’t touch on the sinister side of Billy Graham, but by giving an honest report about Billy Graham he tears off the "Hollywood-type mask" so to speak that everyone has seen and believed. Marshall Frady simply wanted to tell the whole story of Billy Graham, good, bad or otherwise. He spent many hours interviewing Billy Graham and many other people involved in Billy Graham’s life. When this book was read by a devout Christian, it totally devastated this person’s media-built image of Billy Graham-- for instance, items like Billy Graham going to dinner with a prostitute and taking her home, Billy Graham walking past his wife and not recognizing her, & Billy Graham’s New York crusade refusing to allow street people into the crusade because they were dirty. However, another Christian borrowed my copy of it, and said after looking at the book he didn’t see anything wrong with Billy Graham in the book. But then he just read portions of the book. Still, unless one has spiritual discernment the book is probably not going to "blast a person out of the water," because it is a biography not an exposé. Until recently, this was the only really good biography that was available for Christians . Many months before the Billy Graham 1993 Portland Crusade, the advertisements for the crusade and the crusade activity here in Portland began. Pilgrim Discount, which is one of the best Christian bookstores in the Portland area sells both used and new Christian books. They had a used copy of Billy Graham a Parable of American Righteousness. I watched for months to see if any Christians would buy the book. Tens of thousands of Christians got involved in the Billy Graham Crusade in the Portland area, but none had the interest to read the only biography of Billy Graham available. Finally, just shortly before the Crusade, a teenage Christian from Washington who had been warned about Billy Graham and who was trying to keep from being forced to attend, bought the book on a trip from Washington. This incident shows what Americans know--and what they want to know about Billy Graham is shallow media-hype. A Christian radio show here had the author of Billy Graham A Prophet with Honor on to promote his book, which was done just when the Crusade was days away.
A Startling Exposure- Billy Graham and the Church of Rome by Ian R. K. Paisley. This is perhaps the best book as far as actual documentation. The book is probably rare, and not available. Ian R.K. Paisley has made it one of his projects of his life to expose Catholicism. Because Billy Graham works more with Catholics than Protestants Paisley as a concerned Christian obviously found himself learning about Billy Graham. Ian R.K. Paisley knows first hand how powerful Billy Graham and his establishment backers are. They have a colossal publication strength to discredit any critic of Billy Graham in whatever manner it takes -- even if it means outright lies and slander.
Billy Graham Reformer? Politician? Preacher? Prophet? A Chronological Record Compiled from Public Sources By the Church League of America 195 1-1982. This book is from Edgar Bundy Ministries, It is a collection of articles that have appeared in the public media on Billy Graham over a period of 31 years. Billy Graham is condemned by his own words and his own actions. If people only took a look at what Billy Graham is on public record saying it would startle them. Who is Billy Graham working for? Is he trying to build the Christian churches up, or is he trying to lay the foundation for a one-world religion? While some people may on first thought think that it is a great idea to have every one belong to the same religious structure, they need to reflect on the dangers inherent in one single religious body with all-encompassing power. The groundwork for such a dictatorial global religious body is already partially constructed, and is revealed in other writings of Fritz Springmeier. How many people know that in 1955 and 1956 Billy Graham announced that he had a policy of sending people who come forward at his crusades to the church of their choice whether that church or synagogue is Catholic, Protestant or Jewish. For instance, the Protestant Church Life quotes Billy Graham in its 29 Sept 1956 issue, "Referring to the Billy Graham New York Crusade scheduled for May, 1957, Dr. Graham said: ‘We’ re coming to New York not to clean it up, but to get people to dedicate themselves to God and to send them on to their own churches--Catholic, Protestant or Jewish." There is one other book worth pointing out at this point, It was not a source book for my investigation, but I know the author, and the book came out recently, so it is likely still available. The book is The Assimilation of Evangelist Billy Graham into the Roman Catholic Church by Erwin Wilson. The address is Quebec Baptist Missions, Box 113, Compton, Quebec, Canada, JOB iLO. It’s s nice that men like Erwin Wilson are noticing Billy Graham’s love affair with the Catholic Church. He picked up on Billy Graham’s statement about the Pope, "Pope John Paul II has emerged as the greatest religious leader of the modern world and one of the greatest moral...leaders of this century." (The Saturday Evening Post, Feb, 1980.) However, several of these anti-Catholic ministries are rejecting the bigger picture. They have strongly resisted learning about mind-control and the exposure of the conspiracy in Be Wise As Serpents. Because of this, several of these Christian ministries to Catholics have lots of information about Billy Graham and his close workings with the Catholic Church, but little comprehension of how the Catholic Church fits into the bigger picture, and how the New World Order is actually coming about. There has been widespread concern about Billy Graham among Christians. Because the controlled media don’t report these concerns, people are not realizing the extent of the concerns which have been voiced. Even before the co-authors got involved in exposing the Illuminati and their control over religion and their plans for a New World Order, there has been a long history of concern by devout Christians over Billy Graham. There has been a growing dissatisfaction among conservative Christians towards Billy Graham. The introduction to Erwin Wilson’s book which is written by Dr. Bob Jones (Chancellor of Bob Jones University) provides an introduction to the concerns Christians have about the man who has been set up by the media and the money elite to be their greatest leader.
We quote only a paragraph of what Dr. Bob Jones said, "Some of us who grieved over Graham’s first downward steps toward compromise with apostasy and biblical unbelief knew that he was pursuing a direction from which there would be no turning back. While we grieved over him and prayed for him, we had to warn men against his ministry as we had warned Billy against his direction." The first area is doctrinal concerns by devout Christians, who have been deceived that Billy Graham thinks as they do. Christians usually take for granted that Billy Graham is sound doctrinally. The following paragraph of beliefs of Billy Graham were documented in 1993 by Fritz Springmeier in his June ‘1993 newsletter, with its large document packet. Main line Christians would be shocked to find out what Billy Graham really believes and is on public record as supporting. This will help show non-Christians, who read this, that Billy Graham is not really the Christian he pretends to be. This is not to preach at non-Christian readers, for some of the non-Christian readers will agree with Billy Graham’s stands. These views are written to show how a major Christian leader can have a false public image that has survived mainly because the full public record of Billy Graham’s stands are keep low key. If we are big enough to look at the deceptions of our politicians and statesmen, we must be big enough to face the deceptions of our ministers.
Some of the areas that Billy Graham deviates from Scripture are as follows. He is on public record supporting homosexuality, abortion, his disbelief in a literal hell, his support and practice of infant baptism to save children, his support for the Catholic church’s worship of Mary (yet he calls himself a Protestant). He has repeatedly praised infidels and apostates as great Christians. He actively supported the American government policy to fight the Vietnam War.
He would not challenge the idea that the Bible is mythology, when directly questioned. The deception doesn’t stop with the Protestants, Catholic supporters have been kept in the dark about his abortion views. The deception goes way beyond Protestant, Catholic beliefs. As a programmed multiple who participates in Satanic Ritual, Billy Graham has deceived everyone. The second area is concerns about his support for a One-World Church and a One-World-Government. This stems from l. Billy Graham ’s public endorsements of the World Council of Churches and the National Council of Churches, 2. Billy Graham’s consistent attendance at the World Council of Churches’ meetings, 3. that Billy Graham has done more than anyone in the world to bring about the One-World-Harlot church, and he has done more than anyone to unite all the Christian groups into one organization, 4. Billy Graham’s support of the Pope and the Catholic church which is the largest Christian religion and one of the pillars of the New Age One-World religious body being set up. 5. The support that the NCC and WCC gives him, 6. The support that the internationalists and globalists give Billy Graham. Billy Graham was first asked to do his Portland Crusade in 1993 by the WCC/NCC representative in this area who is a homosexual, a new ager, and leader of the ecumenical movement. A third area is concern over the lack of depth that conversions at Billy Graham’s crusades have, Some of the details on this are l. Only 2% of the people coming forward at a Crusade have never been Christians and are actually giving their life to Christ for the first time, and of these 80% fall away, 2. A great majority of people that come forward are sent to Catholic and extremely liberal Churches, extremely few are sent to solid Bible believing churches., In the Catholic Standard and Times, Thursday, July 16, 1992, p. 10, this Catholic paper reported that 1,900 Catholics responded to Billy Graham’s call to make decisions for Christ in the Philadelphia Crusade and were referred to about 250 parishes. 3. People that come forward are sent even to Jewish synagogues and New Age churches., 4. Converts are given the impression that Christ wants decisions for him, rather than that Christ wants disciples. 5. The people attending the crusades are almost all Christians, due to the high numbers of Christian counselors and the high number of church people which are always intentionally bussed in, (Frady exposes this, and in 1992 a writer of the Williamette Week did a major story for the magazine detailing how she had searched the entire week at the Billy Graham Crusade for an unsaved person and failed to find a single non-Christian. There were a few, but so few she didn’t find any. William ette Week, Oct. 1,1992.) 6. Most decisions at the crusades are for trivial things such as to stop smoking.
Interestingly, Christians with discernment spoke about how hurting the churches were after the Billy Graham Crusade here in Portland. They had been made wild promises of success, they were fleeced of their money, and then given a lukewarm spiritual boost. Their comments reminded me of this warning to Billy Graham clear back in the 1950s as to how he was ruining the harvest field. Part of Satan’s Planetary control is through religious leaders. Christians have been conditioned to believe that Billy Graham is a great prophet of God by the establishment media, who have told us for years that Billy Graham was the most respected man in America, The percentages that the controlled Media have reported for Billy Graham’s popularity may have been inflated.There are several studies that show how the establishment uses polls dishonestly to manipulate thinking. The establishment media is able to create ideas so firmly within the mind of the public that it becomes almost impossible to deprogram people. What people see on T.V. becomes what you believe, The T.V. image becomes real. What actually happens at a crusade is far different from the media image. In Scotland for instance, a poll was taken of church membership one month before the Billy Graham Scotland Crusade, and two months after the Crusade. Church membership had actually declined substantially. So after spending millions of the Christians’ dollars, Billy Graham had not even helped the church attendance of the Scottish churches. When Billy Graham holds his crusades, the churches in the area sponsor the crusade. In Poland, in a nation 95% catholic, the churches that sponsored his crusade in Warsaw were Catholic churches and when people went forward they were sent to Catholic churches. Yet, when the mass media report on Crusades, it is made to sound like thousands of people became new Christians.
Many of the devout Christians that have supported Billy Graham haven’t thought through what is really going on at the crusades. They have been so caught up with the media image that they are not able to critically comprehend that the crusades are really major spiritual disasters. The book for counselors at the Billy Graham Crusade here in Portland specifically stated that only Billy Graham was allowed to proselytize, that the crusade counselors were forbidden to proselytize anyone at any time during the crusade, or else they would lose their Crusade badge as a counselor. (See these instructions in The Billy Graham Christian Life & Witness Course, Minneapolis, MN: Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, p. 47, Instructions A.6.) But thousands of the Christians in Portland who became counselors for the ‘92 Crusade never gave it a second thought that only Billy Graham was allowed to proselytize, because they trusted Billy Graham. Money that could have gone to helping victims of mind-control went toward superficial decisions for Christ. Money that could have gone to doing some serious damage to the evil, has gone for Madison avenue hype and for big shows, On top of this, the large sums that are spent on the Billy Graham Crusades serve as a cover for the Networks money laundering that they do through Graham’s Crusade using a series of Monarch slaves in a complex series of money drop offs. A fourth area is concern over his methodology. A body language expert says that Billy Graham’s talks are simply canned. They are simply well-rehearsed canned-body movements and not coming from the heart. His crusade uses Madison-Avenue sales techniques instead of traditional scriptural methods to get converts. Billy Graham crusades always spend great sums of money for bill boards promoting Billy Graham and bumper stickers promoting Billy Graham, the end result is that Billy Graham’s name is usually promoted millions of times more often than Jesus Christ.
Christianity is consistently watered down and identified with the world and its ways. And a great deal of boasting is done about numbers of decisions instead of real meaningful discipleship. A fifth area is concern over Billy Graham acceptance of Communism. Although many people feel communism is dead, this area is still relevant. If you think communism is dead go live in North Korea, where Billy Graham went in 1992 full of praise for North Korea. See Christianity Today, May 18, 1992, p.55. (By the way, Billy Graham & family have sat on the board of Christianity Today, and still control it, so it wouldn’t misquote him.) l. Billy Graham has repeatedly over international mass media claimed that there was no religious persecution under the communists, 2. Billy Graham has praised Mao-Tse-Tung’s principles, 3. Graham has praised communist leaders on numerous occasions, 4. Dyed-in-the-wool communists who have been the ones giving orders to torture Christians for some reason feel comfortable spending time talking to Billy Graham. The actual heritage and name of Billy Graham There is a connection between Marxism and a group of Satanists called Frankists. One of the strongest satanic cults to take control over the Jewish population was called Sabbatianism. Jakob Frank assumed the role of leader of this group, and afterward this brand of satanism was called Frankism. (Freud’s sexually-obsessed theories came from Frankism.) Frank taught his followers to convert to another religion and hide behind that religion to practice their satanism. (One of several book on the subject of Frankism is The Contemporary Faces of Satan by Ratibor-Ray M. Jurjevich.)
Billy Graham’s family when they originally came over to this nation were of the Frank family which is related to Jakob Frank. After coming over to this nation, they changed their name to Graham which is a Scottish name. Two groups of people who are over represented in the power structure over the last 200 years are Scots and cabalistic satanic "jews." Obviously, not all Scotsmen nor jews are involved in the NWO. Several other researchers independently discovered that Billy Graham’s heritage was the jewish Frank family. However, Fritz was beginning to suspect that there must be some kind of jewish blood in Billy Graham’s heritage, because of the all the things he would stumble upon. For instance, the intimate connections Graham had with Jewish leaders and Jewish Christian ministries. And his assurances to them that they are God’s chosen people, a special group. Graham privately told them, that because they are a special chosen group they don’t need to come to Christ. (Fritz discovered all this by accident reading Jewish literature.) Further, the paper called "The C-9 Report For internal use only" states on page 11 that Billy Graham’s daughters have lived in Israel, and that Billy Graham’s son fought with the Israeli army in the Six-Day War. In the Be Wise As Serpents book, chapter 2.1, "The Jewish author Gerald S. Strober in his book American Jews Community in Crisis, p. 110 states that after a resolution in Feb. 1973 at Pittsburgh by the NCC failed to declare the NCC against converting the Jews, that Billy Graham announced the following day a statement that God had a special place for the Jews and rejected ,,coercive evangelistic efforts." Privately, Graham has assured Jewish leaders he is against converting the Jews to Christianity. Strober also informs his readers (p. 111) that many Christian organizations that are ""Jewish Missions"" take their marching orders from Billy Graham, This confirms numerous reports..." So Strober in effect is saying don’t worry Graham is with us, and he controls most of the Christian organizations that are supposedly missions to evangelize us. Messianic Jewish groups are strongly pro-Billy Graham, Some of these groups have gained in size and then strangely gone back into Judaism. That kind of thing has been happening here in Portland, not to mention other localities. Now it is clearer why Jews coming forward at Crusades have often been and are being referred by the Crusade people to Reformed Jewish synagogues.
How Billy Graham is a 33° Mason. This is an important issue, however, even if Billy Graham were not a 33° Mason, there are many things that he is doing that should warn Christians not to support him. There have been a number of people in casual conversation who have mentioned Billy Graham being a 33° Mason, for instance a CIA leader, a NSA person who is against the NWO, and various Masons. These accidental revelations are what can be considered casual evidence, in that it is accidently heard. Some of the people who have read Fritz’s Be Wise As Serpents book have been experiencing validation of what was written on Billy Graham by their own casual contacts with people. These types of encounters are very meaningful to the people who experience them, but their significance is hard to communicate to others. Hopefully, readers of this, who are truth seekers, will have their own casual-evidence-validation experience. One piece of casual evidence came from a Shriner Clown. It turns out the only clowns who were chosen to perform for the Billy Graham 1993 Portland Crusade were Shriner Clowns. There were non-masonic clowns available, even some Christian clowns, but the masons were the only ones Graham allowed to perform for him. Various people, who have worked in the system for the Illuminati, such as an ex-witch who is now a Christian, an ex-33° Mason now a Christian, and a CFR’s person also now a Christian, all testify that Billy Graham is a 33* Freemason. A woman and a man who are ex-satanists and now Christians also have mentioned about Billy Graham’s masonic membership. (One has to understand that there is a close working relationship between the Lodge and the Illuminati.)
To progress up the ranks in Satanism, they will require you to go through Freemasonry. Freemasonry then teaches people about the symbology of the mystery religions. The lodges bring in female Monarch slaves for some of their Egyptian sexual-magic rituals. If the reader were to get up in the morning and your mother, sister, and brother were in the kitchen and said that your mother had just drank a cup of coffee, you would be able to tell from their faces if they were telling the truth, and you would know that your mother had drank a cup of coffee. This is the way it is for us. We know these witnesses know the truth, and we know they are not making it up. But if people don’t believe that, then they need to go scrounge up their own witnesses, and risk their own hide in doing the contacting. The material we presented here is not frivolous work. As pearls of value, we hope that this research is not taken and allowed to become pearls given to swine. Because Billy Graham is such a key person for the Illuminati and the Satanic plan to bring in the Anti-Christ and the One-World-Religion, key parts of Graham’s life have been intentionally shrouded, When he joined the masonic lodge c. 1948, they intentionally kept his membership more secret than others. Why? They are secret about their membership in general, but even more so if the person is a key Illuminatus and a big key to their religious control, This is why they have kept the membership of Charles T. Russell, founder of the Watchtower Society quiet. This is why they keep the memberships of the Mormon prophets secret, It has been a consistent pattern by the Masonic Lodge to keep these key people’s membership very quiet.
It would be much easier if we had a membership certificate, but for people who don’t want to believe no amount of evidence would suffice. In terms of a paper trail we have the following: · Billy Graham’s books consistently refer to basically only Masons. · Billy Graham endorsed the Masonic DeMolay program for youth as God’s work. This endorsement by Billy Graham is in a Masonic book that is used to educate people about ""the craft"" (that means Freemasonry). That book is The Clergy and the Craft and it says that the people who are quoted in it are Masons. (See Haggard, Forrest D. Transactions Missouri Lodge of Research, Vol. No. 27, The Clergy and the Craft, p. 127. where Graham endorses the Masonic youth program. In terms of witnesses who have put what they have witnessed in writing we have the following: · Jim Shaw, ex-33° Mason -- the highest ranking Freemason to defect to Christianity, writes about Billy Graham being at his 33° initiation ceremony. Huntington House refused to print his book co-authored with Tom McKenney unless they took out Billy Graham’s name on pg. 104, and substituted a general description. (See The Deadly Deception, p. 104-105.)
Only Freemasons are allowed to attend these initiations. (See The New Age, the official organ of The Supreme Council 33°. Wash., D.C., October 1961, p. 30.) Some Christians have tried every thing in their mind to get around Jim Shaw’s testimony. And the Masonic Lodge are now claiming that he wasn’t a 33° Freemason. There is no doubt that he was a 33° Mason. What we are seeing is how important it is to the Illuminati to keep Billy Graham’s membership secret. Originally, Dr. Morey who wrote a book on Freemasonry told me over the phone that Billy Graham was a 33° Freemason and that he had held his membership file in his hand in the library of the House of the Temple, which is where the Supreme Council of the 33° has their headquarters. However, now he denies it and says that he only was told by the librarians that the file existed, but that he didn’t examine the membership file. He wrote a letter to Christian News to the editor which was printed. At least, his letter to the editor of Christian News says that the Scottish Rite have a Billy Graham file.Fritz stands by his original statements about what Dr. Morey said, even though he has gone back on his original story and is getting people to think Fritz somehow invented what he told me. There are a great many things that are suspicious about Dr. Morey. His book on Freemasonry claims that Freemasonry started out a Christian organization. His book was printed by a company that uses the Knights Templar logo as their company logo, and whose company head is most likely a Freemason. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck--what do you think it is?
Long before I actually knew Billy Graham was a 33° Freemason, I felt that was the "most likely" explanation for what I was learning of him. What caused me to think that way? Everything about the man, just shouted Freemason. The way he talks, who he has as friends, etc. etc. This article is not capable of going into depth about small nuances and details, but suffice it to say that the Masons know how to broadcast to other Masons that they are a Mason. It should be pointed out some of the key people for Billy Graham’s staff have been Freemasons. Let’s look at a few of the key people helping Billy Graham:
William M. Watson--DIRECTOR OF THE BILLY GRAHAM EVANGELISTIC ASSOCIATION, he is a Freemason, and he is also President of Occidental Petroleum Corporation. Chairman of Occidental was Armand Hammer. Watson is also a member of the development council of the Masonic run Baylor University. Baylor University has participated in the mind-control, (See also the expose of Baylor University in Be Wise As Serpents.) He also was a member of the advisory council to the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Ft. Worth which had at least three Freemasons on its board of trustees, and likely more.
David M. McConnell--DIRECTOR OF THE BILLY GRAHAM EVANGELISTIC ASSOCIATION, he is a Freemason, He was also U.S. ambassador to the United Nations (1968-69), business associate with Illuminatus Charles Gambrell, in Belk Stores of Charlotte, North Carolina.
Arthur Lee Malory--CO-CHAIRMAN of the BILLY GRAHAM CRUSADE Advisory Committee for the 1973 St. Louis Crusade -- 32° Freemason, deacon in the So. Bapt. Church.
Who are some of the primary ministers that had worked with 33° Freemason Billy Graham over the years?
Billy Graham has helped set up other 33° Masons in ministry. Billy Graham has placed his stamp of approval on almost every well-known apostate Christian out there. When Billy Graham had a crusade in Japan, the Japanese minister that he had up on the platform was a well-known extremely liberal Christian. A conservative Japanese was shocked. Billy Graham is also endorsing many of the books, and ministries of these apostates. Some of the three biggest ministers in the protestant world, Robert Schuller, Norman Vincent Peale, and Oral Roberts are all 33° Masonic brothers of 33° Freemason Billy Graham. (See Roberts, Oral. Miracle of Seed Faith, p.9.) Billy Graham has helped each of these brothers with their ministries. Robert Schuller taught principles of church growth to Unity School in Kansas City. A Christian, who used to be on staff there, said that Robert Schuller was fully aware that Luciferian Initiations were going on at the school and that he didn’t care.
Robert Schuller, 33° Freemason, was helped into ministry by Billy Graham. Schuller also participates in the Monarch program and is also sexually serviced by Monarch slaves. Norman Vincent Peale’s form of Christianity called positive thinking is actually only white witchcraft with different names. Peale simply is a "Christian" witch. Norman Vincent Peale, 33° Freemason, his church receive the bulk of people who came forward at the NY Crusade. Norman Vincent Peale is a 6° Illuminatus (Pilgrim Society), and a 33° Freemason. In the magazine Psychic Magazine of San Francisco Peale says of occultist Kreskin, All he’s doing is dramatizing what I’ve been preaching in my writing for years. Norman Vincent Peale controls the approx. $200 million Presbyterian Minister’s Fund. He celebrated the 25th anniversary of the United Nations. He was the keynote speaker at the birthday of the late Mormon prophet Spencer W. Kimball (a secret Mason). Peale praised Kimball as a true prophet of God, and a great man of God. Peale practices witchcraft, and palms it off on unsuspecting Christians under different terminology. The false unity movement which is so strong today, wants to unite the devout Christian with the likes of Norman Vincent Peale. Peale is a good friend of Billy Graham, and Billy Graham referred the largest number of new converts of the NY Billy Graham Crusade to Peale’s church. Oral Roberts, 33° Freemason, helped into ministry by his Masonic brother Billy Graham.
Oral Roberts has been seen by witnesses participating in SRA and Mind-control. Oral Roberts University and the charismatic movement is another important religious front. The Charismatic movement has been infiltrated by multiples since day-one. The history of the infiltration is extensive. Oral Roberts had Cherokee blood, According to some things that Oral Roberts has said, some Christians think that he received his healing powers from an old Indian who healed him through Indian shamanism when Oral was young. At times, Oral does use the same methods that spirit mediums use to heal with. According to slaves who have been deprogrammed, they were in satanic rituals with Oral Roberts. Christian ministers, who have participated in his ministry are saying that they have seen massive swindle in his healing ministry. His university is being used as a programming center. His basketball team at one time had Monarch slaves playing on it. We do not know if they still do. Under the prayer tower is one of the programming sites. Billy Graham, a handler himself, helped launch Oral Roberts University, and is a friend of Oral Roberts. From the Illuminati’s point of view Tulsa is the Guardian City of Apollo. The City of Faith is to be the center for healing from AEsculapius, a demon related to Apollo. While portraying themselves as Christians, infiltrators within the charismatic movement are carrying out satanic rituals to get demonic healing powers. Tulsa is one of, if the main center for the campaign to infiltrate Christianity via the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement with programmed multiples. G. Bromiey Oxnam, 33° Freemason, was head of the FCC churches, supportive friend of Billy Graham, G. Bromley Oxnam has a long history to him of working for the elite, interested readers can pick up his story in Be Wise As Serpents in the chapter that goes into the details about how the Christian churches were organized by the FCC and WCC for the Illuminati.
The NWO is infiltrating the churches via the Earth Stewardship Movement. An attempt was made at Rio de Janeiro to get an Earth Charter but there wasn’t enough time, their were lots of N.O.G. delegates and just in general lots of people to coordinate (4,000 attended). Another Earth Summit was promised, but instead they decided at the end of Sept/Oct of ’95 to have a State of the World Forum to be held by/sponsored by the Gorbachev Foundation at the Presidio, CA. The ex-head of the KGB, Gorbachev is now headquartered in the Presideo, a major mind-control programming site. Christian basher Ted Turner was the chairman of the conference. The cost was $5,000 per person and the invitations went out to only select people. There were 100 handpicked politicians who received invitations, along with Billy Graham and Mother Teresa. This was coordinated with the 50th anniversary of the UN which was being celebrated all over the world.
FLEECING THE SHEEP
The charismatic movement claims to have the Holy Spirit in a special way, however, some seem to be lacking in all discernment that the Holy Spirit would give. There are several books exposing the big name Charismatic ministers. One is written by an ex-charismatic Assembly of God minister. He shows a picture in his book of an Assembly of God flier promoting the "Testimony of J. Edgar Hoover." Yes, the Assembly of God promoted the ,,testimony" of J. Edgar Hoover, while he was known to be a power hungry individual who practiced homosexuality, It was this type of hype that caused this minister to grow disillusioned with the charismatic movement’s so called spirituality. Recently, the spiritual discernment of Billy Graham and many other big time ministries was exposed when these big Christian ministries were conned out of $550 million dollars. Billy Graham introduced John G. Bennett to thousands of people at a recent Billy Graham Crusade in Philadelphia in 1992. John Bennett gave his testimony at the crusade. Because Billy Graham, John Templeton, and Laurance Rockefeller were apparently supportive of John G. Bennett, big time Christian ministries "trusted" him. John told many of the big Christian ministries that if they gave him millions of dollars, for every million he received he would give them two million back. Many of the big Christian ministries gave Bennett money--in fact he collected $550 million (which he ran off with) from ministries such as Pat Robertson’s, Bill Bright’s, Chuck Colson’s, Luis Palau’s, Westminster Theological Seminary, Wheaton College, the Salvation Army and many others. The reader may have heard of this New Era Foundation scam. That’s what it was.
Bennett told these "Christian" leaders "Give New Era one million dollars and we’ll give you back two million." The donations of hard earned money by many innocent Christian believers were lost, However, the Christian believers are partially responsible because the church has refused to clean house of wolves that set in their pulpits. For instance, when Billy Graham came to the Portland area all the various denominations from the most liberal to the most conservative supported him. Only about a dozen churches did not get involved and only one church actively tried to expose Billy Graham--EVEN THOUGH THERE HAS BEEN A MASS OF DOCUMENTATION EXPOSING BILLY GRAHAM AS A WOLF FOR 30 YEARS. When the church refuses to follow God’s Word and supports these men--then they must take some of the blame when these men give their millions of hard earned dollars away to a con artist.
INADEQUATE REACTIONS
When people have been warned about Billy Graham, one of the common responses is to for people to call up the Billy Graham crusade staff, If I ask a biologist a question about biology I can expect to get a credible answer, If I ask a mother about her son I can expect to get a credible answer. But how in the world can someone call up the Billy Graham Crusade staff and expect to get a credible answer to the question Is Billy Graham a Mason?"" The person that answers the phone is likely a secretary, someone who knows Billy Graham no more than the janitor. What does that person know about the Freemasons? Because the Freemasons are a secret society, in general, there are only two basic categories of people--people involved with Freemasonry, and they certainly know what’s going on in it but they have taken blood oaths on penalty of death not to talk about it, and those who aren’t involved with Freemasonry and don’t know anything about it. There are only a few people who are not masons, who are informed about the Masons. The answer of some secretary over the phone to the question, Is Billy Graham a Freemason?" is of little value, because the secretary or other staff member has not had the opportunity to get reliable information. This is from the standpoint of getting a reliable witness, calling some secretary or staff member is simply not a credible response to all the documentation. No court would view a secretary of a large organization as an expert witness qualified to settle such a dispute.
The second catch is that such witnesses are not reasonably unbiased. It is expected that Billy Graham’s staff would front for him any questions that could expose him to bad publicity. This last comment is not speculation. There is proof that Billy Graham’s staff has consistently lied over the years to prevent negative publicity about Billy Graham. When Richard Nixon met with his political buddies to decide who to have run with him, the person he asked first in the smoke-filled room was Billy Graham, I have read the account of this is more than one place, but I will quote Marshall Frady’s description of when Billy Graham was asked who he thought should run with Nixon as Nixon’s vice-presidential running mate. Billy Graham chose 33° Masonic brother (then only 32°) Mark Hatfield. Here is Frady’s description. "His assimilation into the Nixon presidency had already been well underway, in fact, at that convention in Miami when, after Nixon’s nomination, Graham wound up sitting in Nixon’s penthouse suite among the smoggy late-night deliberations over Nixon’s vice-presidential selection: Graham himself, whatever initial uncertainty he might have felt to find himself in such a political locker-room session, soon pitched into the proceedings with his own effusive recommendation of Mark Hatfield: "He’s a great Christian leader. He’s almost a clergyman. He’s been an educator, and he’s taken a more liberal stand on most issues than you, and I think the ticket needs that kind of balance."
In 1992, Mark Hatfield, along with Prince Hall Freemason Jessie Jackson both were on television in July of last year defending Billy Graham’s actions. Mark Hatfield, according to a deprogrammed slave has been a user of Monarch sexual slaves. NY’s Union Seminary is controlled and funded by the Rockefellers. President of Union Seminary was Dr. Henry Van Dusen. Billy Graham made him a prominent person in his crusade and said he was a "classic example" of a mass evangelism conversion, If that is a good example of Graham’s conversions, we Christians should shudder. It is no coincidence that the Southern Baptists of which Billy Graham is a member, is controlled by the Freemasons. Brook Hays, Pres, of the So. Bapt. Convention was a high ranking Freemason as well as part of the CFR. None of the So. Bapt. Convention’s Presidents have opposed Freemasonry. Pres. Bill Clinton, a slave handler, is a member of the Emmanuel Baptist Church which is a Southern Baptist Church in Little Rock, Ark. The late Bill Moyers who promoted the Mystery Religions was a Southern Baptist. Moyers went to the SW Baptist Theological Seminary, the same school run by one of Billy Graham’s staff directors. John Buchanan is another Southern Baptist. John Buchanan went to a So. Bapt. Seminary, and then worked as a front man for People for the American Way started by Jewish Norman Lear, an anti-Christian. People might be shocked to learn of some of the New Age teachings and New Age teachers that have been allowed into the Southern Baptist churches. The Southern Baptist youth program is based on Masonic ideas and is very masonic in its ritual.
SUMMARY
The reader is thanked for wading through a lot of difficult material. The reader can see why Billy Graham may well be the greatest deception that has ever been successfully pulled off. But as Abraham Lincoln said, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time." Ever since the early 1950s, there have been Christians exposing Billy Graham, But the control of the Christian media and the Christian seminaries is far more extensive than most people realize. The Be Wise As Serpents book diagrams out how the Christian religious denominations are being controlled, and how the Masons and Illuminati-connected administrators and trustees have control of most of the Seminaries. Billy Graham without a doubt works directly for the Satanic hierarchy. But a rational and fair appraisal of what the man is, and what damage he has done to Christianity will probably not be given much of a chance. Nobody, no matter who they are is going to fool Christ. There will be a real evaluation done on judgment day.
- After numerous letters from the editor of Christian News questioning Graham's alleged Masonic affiliations, a staff member of Graham's ministry denied that Graham was ever a Freemason. (In a weakly worded statement, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association "condemned" Freemasonry on the grounds that the church should meet the needs one is trying to satisfy by joining a lodge, that joining a lodge could cause a rift between husband and wife if they had not mutually agreed on the husband's lodge membership, and the requirement to take an oath violates Scripture.) But Graham's ministry also admitted that Graham attended a 33rd degree initiation rite back in 1966. Graham's defenders claim that this is how he became alerted to the dangers of Freemasonry.
But Masons are not in the habit of inviting the curious to its secret ceremonies! Can one then surmise that this was Graham's own initiation ceremony? In doing primary research for his book, The Origins and Teachings of Freemasonry (at the House of the Temple in Washington, D.C.), Dr. Robert A. Morey was told that they keep a file on all 33rd degree Masons. Morey asked if they had a file on Billy Graham. The Librarian said, "Yes. Do you want to see it?" But since he did not feel that it was proper, he said, "No, not at this time" (Robert Morey' letter to the editor, Christian News, 9/14/92).
Fritz Springmeier of Portland, Oregon has written a tract, "Billy Graham and the Bible." He gives evidence of Billy Graham being a 33rd degree Mason who has taken secret oaths in blood. In this tract, Springmeier states, "Billy Graham took part in the initiation rites of Jim Shaw as a 33rd degree Mason. This was before Shaw left the Masons in obedience to Christ" (9/14/92, Christian News). http://web.archive.org/web/20011112094705/http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/graham/general.htm
DENIAL FROM BILLY GRAHAM EVANGELISTIC ASSOCIATION THAT MR. GRAHAM IS A FREEMASON!!!
Kenneth Copeland 33rd Degree Freemason Exposed
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I just read this thread and I thought these articles were interesting. Personally, I have never been a big Billy Graham fan. I think he used to preach a simple message, and then he got elevated and over rated.
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But, you should ALWAYS be a Christian before being a democrat, republican, independent, etc.
If you are a Christian you can not be a democrat, republican, independent, etc.
What political party do you think Yeshua was?
How about the Apostle Paul was?
How about How about Peter?
John?
James?
I can tell you positively they had no political preference.
They were pilgrims and strangers in a foreign land.
They were hated and despised for what they preached.
Remember Yeshua's words only a few will be saved!
You know, I can tell you without a doubt, if Billy Graham had been preaching and living a totally uncompromising message of repentance he would have never made it to where he is now. He has served as a spiritual advisor to every U.S. President since Dwight Eisenhower.
He was advisor to J.F.Kennedy, wait just a minute, he was a Roman Catholic. (You don't smell a rat) you need to pray for spiritual understanding.
June 13, 1997-- Just in from KJVKyle: Taken from The Cutting Edge radio broadcast:
Balaam's *** Speaks Editor: I am giving you the whole address data so Billy Graham's attorney, Mr. Schoole, will not be able to claim I attacked Graham personally. The threat continues.
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Dear Watchmen,
Finally, solid evidence is coming forth from the Masonic Order itself concerning Billy Graham's affiliation with this occult organization. The following is an excellent article by David Bay of Cutting Edge Ministries which exposes Billy Graham -- with references to an official Masonic web site that lists "Rev. Billy Graham" among their "Famous Members." (Go to "Other Famous Masons") For primary evidence documenting Rev. Graham's status as a "33rd Degree Mason" -- the highest order of Masons which are the elite planners of the New World Order -- access the following End-Time Deception Ministries page --
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/8988/deadly.htm End-Time Ministries also has an informative web page with sound files on Kenneth Copeland, another 33rd degree Mason --
One of the petitions on the Watch Unto Prayer list is "that false prophets and teachers will be exposed." Such a request reflects God's will, for many Scriptures warn the saints to beware of and to avoid deceivers. Paul often identifies such men by name, so that the church will know who they are. In II Tim. 3:10, referring to "men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the truth," Paul states "But they shall proceed no further; for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was." In this period of unprecedented deception, it seems reasonable to pray, not only that wolves in sheeps' clothing will be exposed, but that their exposure will be so extensive (unto all men) they will be unable to continue their deception.
Barb Aho
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http://www.cuttingedge.org/n1082.html
THE "LOUISIANA MASONIC FAMILY" WEB SITE REPORTS THAT THE REVEREND BILLY GRAHAM IS A FREEMASON!!
For the past three decades, we Fundamental, Born Again Christians have repeatedly shaken our heads in dismay at the many strange and apostate actions that the organization of the Reverend Billy Graham was taking. We could not understand why he was doing many of these things.
But, if Billy Graham is a Freemason, as this Louisiana Masonic Site reports him to be, our questions are answered. We report this information, and we recount these many previously unexplainable events in the past 30 years.
The New World Order is coming! Are you ready? Once you understand what this New World Order really is, and how it is being gradually implemented, you will be able to see it progressing in your daily news!!
Learn how to protect yourself, your loved ones!
Stand by for insights so startling you will never look at the news the same way again.
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NEWS BRIEF: The Louisiana Masonic Family Web Site has a section entitled, "Famous Masons" In the subsection entitled, "Other Famous Masons", they report that the Reverend Billy Graham is a Freemason!
The Home Page of the Louisiana Masonic Family is: http://www2.linknet.net/masonic/mig1.htm
The link entitled, "Famous Masons" is on http://www2.linknet.net/masonic/famous.htm
On Page 12 of 15, alphabetically listed, the Reverend Billy Graham is listed!!
If Reverend Graham is a Freemason as this Louisiana Masonic Family Web Site reports, and we have no reason to doubt it, then we can begin to understand why and how his organization has drifted far, far away from pursuing the true goals of the Fundamental, Bible-believing Christian Churches. These goals were well supported by Reverend Graham in the late 1940's, as well they should have been, because they were based upon Biblical principle. As Reverend Graham began to drift away from these goals, we in the Fundamental community were terribly dismayed and filled with consternation!! We began to watch the activities of his organization very carefully, and saw, to our greater dismay, that he continued to drift into the camp of apostate churches and New Age organizations! Today, Reverend Graham is cooperating with the Roman Catholic Pope and the Vatican on many issues, he has been seen speaking to the World Council of Churches, and cooperating with other apostate religious leaders. We will document these activities, below.
Before we get started, however, we need to reiterate that we found this information on an official Masonic Web Site, not on an anti-Mason Web Site. We cannot conceive that the Louisiana Masonic Family Web Site would print a lie concerning their membership. We urge you to click on these Web addresses that we listed, above, to see this information for yourself. However, we have noticed that several official Masonic Web Sites that used to include Reverend Graham's name on their membership list have subsequently removed his name. Why would they do this? They undoubtedly took this action because of pressure from the Graham organization.
Therefore, we believe that this Louisiana Masonic Family Web Site might also remove his name from their membership once this news is reported. The only reason we can think of that this kind of pressure might be exerted is the Reverend Graham is not willing that others learn of his membership at this time. Perhaps he feels that Christians of his key constituencies would leave in droves should they learn that he is a Freemason.
In the next article, we shall examine the ramifications of this startling information that Reverend Billy Graham is a Freemason. But, now, we need to examine the things which the Graham organization has done over the years that caused Fundamental Christians to understand, with dismay, that he was moving toward apostasy.
Billy Graham's Rapid Change of Principles
I. Billy Graham's Rapid Changes From His Original Crusade Policies
This is taken from "Billy Graham's 23 years of Theological Change" by Rev. Charles Emert, 1971.
A. Change Regarding The Apostate World Council of Churches 1. In 1948 Billy Graham was asked, "What do you expect the WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES to do this August when they visit Copenhagen?" He replied, "I believe they are going to NOMINATE THE ANTICHRIST!" [He certainly was against the WCC at that time!] 2. As Early As 1966 He boasted that he attended the WCC assembly in New Delhi in 1961, and he hoped he would attend the 4th assembly in Uppsala, Sweden in 1968 (which he did). He has attended all but two WCC assemblies ever since. This policy continues. Quite a CHANGE!
B. Change Regarding Sponsorship by Various Councils of Churches 1. In 1952 Billy Graham wrote to Dr. John R. Rice, "... we have NEVER been sponsored by the COUNCIL OF CHURCHES in any city except Shreveport and Greensboro ... both small towns where the majority of ministers are evangelical." 2. As Early As 1964 Billy Graham's Columbus, Ohio, crusade was sponsored by the modernistic Columbus area Council of Churches. This policy continues. Quite a CHANGE!
C. Change Regarding Non-Fundamentalists In Authority or Responsibility 1. In 1955 Billy Graham said to Dr. John R. Rice: "I will NEVER have anybody take a PLACE OF AUTHORITY or RESPONSIBILITY in my campaign who is not SOUND IN THE GREAT FUNDAMENTALS OF THE FAITH." 2. As Early As 1957 In the New York crusade, Billy Graham had Henry Pitt Van Dusen, President of Union Theological Seminary. take a place of responsibility and authority. U.S. News wrote that Van Dusen's school was "one of the most LIBERAL and LEFT-WING schools in America." Yet for all this, they wrote that "Dr. Van Dusen is considered by Graham as a GREAT RELIGIOUS LEADER." He [Billy Graham] has used other apostates such as Robert J. McCracken, Norman Vincent Peale, and others. This policy continues in his crusades. Quite a CHANGE!
[Cutting Edge Commentary: Norman Vincent Peale was also a Freemason, according to this Louisiana Masonic Family Web Site, given above, and by Cyberconnect's "History of Freemasonry", http://www.cyberconnect.com/max/hist.htm .Both these Web Sites are official Freemasonry sites!]
D. Change Regarding Separation From Those Who Reject Biblical Authority 1. In 1952 and 1958 Billy Graham, in time past made sound statements concerning false doctrine: a. In 1952, He wrote to Bob Jones, Sr., "We have never had a man on our committee that denied the VIRGIN BIRTH, the VICARIOUS ATONEMENT, or the BODILY RESURRECTION." b. In 1958. He stated in Eternity Magazine: "If a man blatantly denies the DEITY OF CHRIST or that Christ has come in the flesh, we are NOT TO EVEN BID HIM GODSPEED. Thus, the Scriptures teach that we are able to be SEPARATED FROM those who DENY THE DEITY OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST ... I am to treat him as an ANTICHRIST and an ENEMY OF THE CROSS." [Cutting Edge Commentary: We applaud this statement by Graham, as he certainly knows the Scriptural teaching regarding the definition of what qualifies as Antichrist teaching, and the commandment to separate yourself and your organization from such teaching and from anyone who teaches such heresy. Therefore, we read, with heavy heart, the next revelation.] 2. As Early As 1963 He had United Methodist Bishop, Gerald B. Kennedy, as his Los Angeles Crusade Chairman. Kennedy wrote in one of his books: "I believe that the testimony of the New Testament, taken as a whole, is AGAINST THE DOCTRINE OF THE DEITY OF JESUS ..." This policy continues. Quite a CHANGE! [Cutting Edge Commentary: If Graham was including in his Crusades a man who publicly denied the Deity of Jesus Christ, as early as 1963, how is it that all Fundamentalist Christians continued to believe in him? The answer is that too many of us knew Graham only from his TV sermons, which contained no error. We assumed his organization would be similarly true to the Bible. We did not look behind the scenes to see the heresy beginning to creep in!]
E. Change Regarding Encouraging "Converts" to go to Modernistic Churches 1. In 1950 Billy Graham's secretary, Jerry Bevan, wrote, "Certainly, Dr. Graham does NOT encourage converts to go to Catholic or MODERNISTIC CHURCHES." 2. As Early As 1957 He sent ... 373 of his New York City decision cards to the apostate Marble Collegiate Church in that city.
This trend continues in regard to apostate Protestant churches, Catholic churches, Jewish synagogues, and elsewhere. Quite a CHANGE!
[Cutting Edge Commentary: The word "apostate" refers to someone or some organization that once stood for the Truth of the Gospel, but has subsequently abandoned this Truth and is now advocating other positions that are not Biblical Truth. Almost all Mainline Protestant denominations, such as the Methodist, Episcopalian, Congregationalist, to name just a few, at one time were very Fundamental and adopted the same stands we currently adopt. However, over the passage of time, these denominations have drifted away from strictly observing the Fundamental Doctrines and have begun to either compromise their beliefs or deny their previously held beliefs]
F. Change Regarding Roman Catholicism: 1. In 1964 Billy Graham's aide, George Edstrom, wrote: "Mr. Graham has NEVER PREACHED IN A CATHOLIC CHURCH, and he does NOT AGREE WITH THEM in the joining of ONE CHURCH. If you heard this, it is nothing but false rumors." 2. As Early As 1963 [Note that this date is one year earlier than this statement, above] In 1963, Mr. Graham had spoken at the Roman Catholic Belmont (NC) Abbey College. [Cutting Edge Commentary: Denying, in 1964, that Graham had spoken any Catholic Church, when he had, in fact, spoken at Belmont Abbey College the year earlier, does not this qualify as an bold faced lie?!] 3. In 1967 He again spoke at this college at the Institute for Ecumenical Dialogue, receiving his honorary Doctor of Humane Letters (D.H.L.) from them and saying that this was "... a time when PROTESTANTS AND CATHOLICS could meet together and greet each other as BROTHERS, whereas ten years ago they could not." At the same time, he stated: "The Gospel that built this school and the gospel that brings me here tonight is still the only way to salvation." This policy of pro-Roman Catholicism continues. Quite a CHANGE!
[Cutting Edge Commentary: We find it almost inconceivable that Graham could equate the True Gospel of Salvation Through Grace ALONE, with the Roman Catholic False Gospel of Salvation through good works, through the Sacraments of the Church, through Baptism, through praying to dead saints, through praying the Rosary, through Indulgences, and through Penance. These vast differences are what caused Martin Luther to break with the Roman Catholic Church and to start the Protestant Movement. Did you know that the very word, Protestant, derived from the word, "Protest" against Rome? Have you forgotten, Mr. Graham, the 68,000,000 million Protestant martyrs at the hands of the Catholic Inquisition, from 1550-1850? When Graham is making these statements, and calling Catholics brothers, he is denying the collective martyrdom of all these valiant Christians who died at the hands of Rome.]
[The Roman Catholic Church completely fulfills two prophecies. 1) John 16:2-3, "yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me." More than the Roman and Jewish persecutors during the day Jesus spoke these words, the Roman Catholic Church has fulfilled this prophecy. This is exactly what they were doing during the Inquisition, martyring Protestants and then claiming they were doing God service. And, Jesus nails the issue right on the head when He states that the people who do this do not know either the Father or Jesus. 2) Revelation 17:6, "And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration."
This "woman" is the religious false harlot, whom Protestant Bible scholars have identified as the Roman Catholic Church for the past 200+ years.
Certainly, Rome qualifies here, as well. Reverend Graham slighted every one of these 8,000,000 Christian martyrs when he equated the True Gospel with the Roman Catholic Church. But, if Graham is secretly a Freemason, we know how and why he can make this kind of statement.
Remember this about a Freemason: he believes he is following a higher religious truth than is contained within any individual religious organization, including Christianity. Therefore, Graham can preach the Gospel with his lips while guiding his organization toward the Freemasonry ideal of the global Fraternity of Mankind, i.e., the New World Order Religion!! And, he can do this without suffering feelings of remorse and conscience!]
G. Change Regarding Communism 1. In 1949 Billy Graham said: "Communism is inspired, directed, and motivated, by the Devil himself." [Cutting Edge Commentary: Graham spoke the Truth here; the question is, did he believe it then, or was he simply following the Dialectic Process at this point? In NEWS1007 "Thesis x Antithesis = Synthesis -- The Real Flow Of History", we showed that Freemasonry created Communism so as to provide the world with the needed Antithesis to battle Thesis to produce the Synthesis, which is the New World Order. Read this article carefully. The point is, if Billy Graham were a Mason above the 30th Degree, and he probably was, given his high position of World Evangelist, then he knew that Communism was a loyal ally in the "struggle" to achieve the Synthesis, the New World Order.] 2. As Early As 1959 In Christianity Today, it was reported: "Without elaboration, the evangelist [Graham] said his thinking had undergone some CHANGES ... and he indicated that his attitude toward EASTERN EUROPE is more open." This policy continues. Quite a CHANGE! 3. In 1982 He visited the Moscow Peace Conference and said: "I saw no evidence of religious persecution in Russia."
This was in spite of his visit to the Siberian Pentecostals staying in the American Embassy. [Cutting Edge Commentary: This was the event which I saw with my own eyes, as I watched on TV, that caused me to begin to doubt Reverend Billy Graham. With my background in history and government, I knew that the Communist Russian Government strictly controlled what Graham saw in Russia, and I knew that the severe persecution of religion and the murder of many Christians, was one of the most well documented tragedies of the 20th Century. Therefore, for Graham to make this statement, I knew he had to either be terribly naive or misled, or that he had to be cooperating with the Communists. Further, I watched carefully over the next days, weeks, and months, to see if the Graham Evangelistic Organization issued a statement of clarification of Graham's ridiculous remarks, because many times, an official makes a silly remark off the cuff but his office is careful that everyone knows it was a mistake. No such clarification was ever issued. In 1982, I was a full 5 years away from understanding the first thing about the New World Order].
II. A SAMPLING OF OTHER UNSCRIPTURAL BELIEFS OR POLICIES OF BILLY GRAHAM
A. Communism, Roman Catholicism, and Mohammedanism "In 1948, he said: 'The three gravest menaces faced by Orthodox Christianity are Communism, Roman Catholicism, and Mohammedanism.' In 1973, he said that Communist Mao Tse-Tung's eight precepts are basically the same as the Ten Commandments. In 1973, he praised the Roman Catholic mass as a 'very beautiful thing', and by 1978, he said Muhammed Ali's beliefs in Islam 'are something we all could believe'." [Cutting Edge Commentary: While this change in statements make no sense on the surface, and absolutely no sense to the Christian whose beliefs on key matters are based upon Eternal Scripture, these changes make absolute sense for a Freemason! A Freemason believes that all religions are equally valid, and it embraces all the "Wisdom" of all the Ancient Mystery Religions. Further, a Mason will look upon Communism as a loyal ally in the drive to create the Synthesis system known as the New World Order!!
B. Infant Baptismal Regeneration and Billy Graham "In 1961, Dr. Graham said this of infant baptism: "I do believe that something happens at the baptism of an infant ... I believe that a miracle can happen in these children so that they are regenerated, that is, made Christian through infant baptism." [Cutting Edge Commentary: Wow, Graham made this kind of heretical statement in 1961? Why did it take us Fundamentalists so long to realize that Graham was an apostate??!! We had on blinders, didn't we?]
C. Apostate Leslie Weatherhead On Billy Graham's Platform In London "In 1966, Dr. Graham said this of infant baptism: 'I remember during our London Crusade of 1954, I preached a sermon ... Dr. Leslie Weatherhead sat on the platform that evening and to my surprise commended my sermon.' Dr. Weatherhead was a notorious blasphemer who wrote in his book, The Christian Agnostic, that the Lord Jesus Christ was born an illegitimate child, and that Mary was no virgin, but a temple prostitute." [Cutting Edge Commentary: This heretical notion that Jesus Christ was born out of wedlock is a common New Age teaching. Some New Age authors have even gone so far as to say that the father was a Roman soldier, and some even say that the soldier was of German descent! I guess the question to ask about this situation, was, why did Graham allow Dr. Weatherhead to even sit on the platform, if Weatherhead was so blatantly a heretic? A speaker allows only dignitaries with whom he agrees to sit on the platform while he is speaking. Just sitting on the platform with Graham signifies that Graham was conferring honor and acceptance on Weatherhead!]
D. Billy Graham Doesn't Think The Heathen Are Lost "In 1978, McCall's Magazine reported Dr. Graham's 'updated' understanding of the way of salvation. 'I used to think that pagans in far-off countries were lost -- were going to hell -- if they did not have the Gospel of Jesus Christ preached to them. I NO LONGER BELIEVE THAT ... I believe there are other ways of recognizing the existence of God -- through nature, for instance -- and plenty of other opportunities, therefore, of saying yes to God." [Cutting Edge Commentary: While the Apostle Paul did say, in Romans 1:18-20, that all men have a basic knowledge of God's existence implanted in their inner consciences, and they can see evidences of God's existence in nature, Paul is saying all this in connection with the concept that, because of these things, all men are without excuse before God on Judgment Day. Paul's exact words were, "... so that they are without excuse". Paul never, ever, said that the pagans do not need the Gospel to be saved, as Graham here is saying. In fact, Paul boldly states just the opposite, in Romans 10:14-15, " How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!" How can the pagans, Paul asks, be saved without a preacher being sent to preach the Gospel to them? Dr. Graham was clearly wrong here; why didn't we get wise then?]
E. Billy Graham -- Now Works With Everyone "Once a self-confessed 'Bible fundamentalist and separatist', today Dr. Graham freely associates and fraternizes with 'anyone under any label' -- liberal, modernist, charismatic, Catholic. We are not surprised that Dr. Graham is now a friend of the World Council of Churches and the Roman Catholic Church ... In his crusades, Dr. Graham has established a global pattern of cooperative, ecumenical evangelism, allowing liberals, modernists, evangelicals, charismatic, and Roman Catholics to work together, thus accelerating the pace of ecumenical union." [Cutting Edge Commentary: My beloved Mother was a fervent Graham supporter, and believed that I was totally off base in my complaints. However, in 1994, just months before she died, she called me one night, crying. She said, "David, you were right about Billy Graham being an apostate! I have just been watching his crusade and I was upset from the beginning by seeing Roman Catholic nuns and priests on his platform, sitting behind him. When he gave his standard invitation to come down to accept Jesus Christ as Savior, he then said, 'And if you are Roman Catholic, I want you to come down to renew your vows.' " Mom well knew that there is no salvation within Roman Catholic doctrine, and from that moment on stayed completely away from any association with Billy Graham and his organization. But, Dr. Graham has always been ecumenical, because his crusades have always encouraged the advance support work from all Protestant churches in the area in which he is going to have his crusade! And, he has sent follow-up cards to all Protestant churches after his crusade. Lately, he has been including the Roman Catholic Church in this effort. Therefore, Dr. Graham has always promoted Ecumenism.
The Ecumenical Movement seeks to unite all churches of all denominations, even though many of these churches hold different doctrines, some them of very important doctrines. Basically, these churches unite, "agreeing to disagree" on doctrinal matters, emphasizing matters on which they can agree. Therefore, churches who believe in the Deity of Jesus Christ and Salvation only through him, are uniting with churches who deny these doctrines! This is the Ecumenical Movement today! These churches are ignoring Jesus' commandments to "Come out of her [the false system], my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Or, they have forgotten Paul's warning of associating with non-believers, "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?" Truly, when a church who holds to the traditional doctrines of the Christian faith, joins with a church who denies some or much of this faith, that church is being "unequally yoked" with an infidel organization, an organization of "Belial", who is equated with Satan or Antichrist! -- Holman Bible Dictionary Online --
Furthermore, New Age authors make no bones about the fact that they see the Ecumenical Movement as being the main tool to bring Christian churches into the planned global New World Order Religion. Listen to the way in which Master D.K. describes the planned Ecumenical Movement, speaking through Alice Bailey, in the book, "The Externalisation of the Hierarchy". "Eventually, there will appear the Church Universal, and its definite outlines will appear towards the end of this century. This Church will be nurtured into activity by the Christ and His disciples ... when the true second coming has been accomplished. No date for the advent do I set, but the time will not be long. The Christian church, in its many branches, can serve as a St. John the Baptist, as a voice crying in the wilderness, and as a nucleus through which world illumination may be accomplished ... Its work is intended to be the holding of a broad platform. The church must show a wide tolerance, and teach no revolutionary doctrines or cling to any reactionary ideas ... The prime work of the church is to teach, and teach ceaselessly, preserving the outer appearance in order to reach the many who are accustomed to church usages ... the sacraments must be mystically interpreted ..." -- Page 510-511. Did you fully understand what the demon, Master D.K., has just revealed? Eventually, the global church of the Christ -- Antichrist -- , which he has called the Church Universal, will arise toward the "end of this century". But, first, the Christian Church must serve as a preparatory force to change the old, "reactionary" church, which has promoted "revolutionary doctrines" into a new, combined church which holds forth a "broad platform" that shows a "wide tolerance". However, while this change is going on, the Christian Churches must "preserve their outer appearance" in order to deceive those who need to still believe they are serving Jesus Christ!! Does this not fully explain the current Ecumenical Movement? It holds forth a "broad platform" and shows a "wide tolerance" while still pretending to be Christian! And, as Master D.K. so eloquently states, the ultimate aim is to produce the Church Universal of the Christ -- Antichrist.
This section, quoted above, makes me think of several Scriptures which speak directly to this terrible situation facing us today, embodied in the Ecumenical Movement. 1) Jesus warns, in Matthew 7:13-14, "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life ..." The "broad" way which Jesus stated leads to Hell is the same "broad platform" of which Master D.K. speaks, above. This "broad" road means that anyone can believe and practice anything, and still will think it will lead them to Heaven. This is precisely the belief of the Freemasons, of which Billy Graham is a part. They believe that all religions are equally valid, and that all roads lead to Heaven. The main enemy is the Fundamentalist Christian who insists upon following the "narrow way" that leads to eternal life! 2) Jesus warned that, in the Last Days, religious deception would be unparalleled. a) Matthew 24:4, "Take heed that no man deceive you." b) Matthew 24:10, "And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many." Isn't this precisely the effect which the Ecumenical Movement has had upon the Christian Church? Beginning in 1910, when the National Council of Churches was founded, many "religious leaders" became offended at the simple, profound, and miraculous Truth of the Gospel, and they began to hatefully attack those leaders who held to these Truths. But, these "false prophets" persisted, and have led many away from the Gospel, deceiving them tremendously. They have paved the way for the coming Antichrist, just as John the Baptist paved the way for Jesus Christ. Master D.K. knew whereof he spoke. c) Matthew 24:24, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." This deception would become more clever and more persuasive, until the only ones who are NOT deceived are those who are the Elect of God, those who are truly Born Again! We are at this point right now!
Finally, did you notice Master D.K.'s assertion that the "sacraments must be mystically interpreted"? When he is speaking of the "sacraments" he is including the whole of Scripture, as well. Thus it is that the entire Bible has been "mystically interpreted". Go into any New Age bookstore and you will discover books about Jesus' "Lost Years", or about His "Secret Teachings", or about the revelations of the "Akrashic record". These are all systematic efforts to "mystically" reinterpret Scripture, so the New Ager now has a mystical answer for every valid doctrine of Scripture. This is unparalleled deception, and its very existence is proof we are living in the Last Days.]
F. Billy Graham -- Enthusiastic Friend of Rome "Dr. Graham is an ardent admirer and supporter of the Pope with whom he has regular and warm liaison ... On another occasion, he said that he believed the Pope to be 'God's instrument for revival in our generation' ... It is now 'normal' for Roman Catholic nuns and priests to support Billy Graham Crusades by training counselors for, and being personally involved in, the crusades." [Cutting Edge Commentary: In NEWS1052, "Seminar Notes: House of Theosophy, 8/18/91", we reveal that the New World Order Plan has chosen the Roman Catholic Pope to be its head religious leader of the Church Universal of Antichrist! This leadership post places the Roman Catholic Pope as the False Prophet of Revelation 13:11-18. And naming the Pope to this position is consistent with the prophecy of Revelation 13:11 that he will have "two horns like a lamb", meaning that he will present himself to a believing world as a Christian leader. Most non-Fundamentalist people today believe the Pope is a Christian. Billy Graham certainly aids and abets this false perception, doesn't he? Therefore, Billy Graham is helping Revelation 13:11 to be literally fulfilled, isn't he? And, if Graham is aiding the False Prophet, then his activities are aiding Antichrist, as well.
G. Billy Graham's "Converts" Sent Back To Their Unbiblical Churches " 'Converts at Billy Graham Crusades are sent to 'churches of their choice' without any sort of spiritual distinction. This results in their being sent to liberal-modernist churches, as well as Roman Catholic churches; newborn babes are being fed with DOCTRINAL POISON." Another Fundamentalist author, E.L. Bynum, states in his pamphlet, "Why We Cannot Support The Billy Graham Crusade": "But as a matter of conscience, we cannot endorse the ministry of Billy Graham, nor can we cooperate in a Billy Graham Crusade. Our reasons are based upon the World of God!! We cannot remain silent when this ministry of compromise is being used to destroy the very foundations of the Christian faith. There is a reason why apostates and carnal religious leaders are so enthusiastic about their support of Billy Graham. Billy Graham is pumping warm blood into the dead ecumenical movement and helping to build the coming one world church. When the ecumenical liberals hit a snag in bringing about organic union of the denominations, they saw in Billy Graham an opportunity to break down the stubborn bars of separation, through the medium of evangelism. It is working quite well for them."
I had never thought of the fact that Billy Graham began his popular evangelistic ministry at just the time when the liberal churches were beginning to lose so many members that they were afraid of going out of existence. Graham's ministry has truly infused new lifeblood into these dying liberal churches.
At this point, we must reiterate that we do not find much fault with what Billy Graham SAYS during his sermons. He does preach the True Gospel message, and we are sure that many, many people have been truly saved during his Crusades. However, we do find much to fault him for the liberal, modernistic, and apostate people and organizations with which he constantly associates and supports. And, when his organization sends a brand new baby Christian to one of these apostate churches for follow-up training, that baby Christian will certainly be quickly turned into a good New World Order Christian, quite capable of supporting Antichrist when he arises!!
The fact that we now have been told by the Louisiana Masonic Family that Billy Graham is a Freemason, we see yet another sign that the End of the Age is upon us. Graham is a counterfeit Christian, probably the best ever. Does he not know that he is fulfilling the Biblical prophecies of unparalleled religious deception, deception so good that even the Elect would be deceived were it not for the power of the Holy Spirit revealing the Truth to the true believers? We need to really pray for Billy Graham and everyone in his organization!!
The End of the Age is so close we can hear the hoof beats of the approaching Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse [Revelation 6]. Are you spiritually ready? Is your family? Are you adequately protecting your loved ones? This is the reason for this ministry, to enable you to first understand the peril facing you, and then help you develop strategies to warn and protect your loved ones. Once you have been thoroughly trained, you can also use your knowledge as a means to open the door of discussion with an unsaved person. I have been able to use it many times, and have seen people come to Jesus Christ as a result. These perilous times are also a time when we can reach many souls for Jesus Christ, making an eternal difference. If you have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, but have been very lukewarm in your spiritual walk with Him, you need to immediately ask Him for forgiveness and for renewal. He will instantly forgive you, and fill your heart with the joy of the Holy Spirit. Then, you need to begin a daily walk of prayer and personal Bible Study.
If you have never accepted Jesus Christ as Savior, but have come to realize His reality and the approaching End of the Age, and want to accept His FREE Gift of Eternal Life, you can also do so now, in the privacy of your home.
Once you accept Him as Savior, you are spiritually Born Again, and are as assured of Heaven as if you were already there. Then, you can rest assured that the Kingdom of Antichrist will not touch you spiritually. If you would like to become Born Again, turn to our Salvation Page now.
We hope you have been blessed by this ministry, which seeks to educate and warn people, so that they can see the coming New World Order -- Kingdom of Antichrist -- in their daily news.
* This information taken from "Billy Graham's Rapid Change of Principles", by Rev. D.A. Waite, Th.D., Ph.D., Director, The Bible For Today, 900 Park Avenue, Collingswood, NJ, 08108.
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My mom used to say that: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." I love that it is so true!!!
The scripture says that God does judge the hearts of men; but the scripture also says that out of the fullness of a mans heart his mouth does speak.
So then we who do hear what man speaks, can know the fulness of his heart. We will know this by the word of God.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
The word of God in us does discern the fulness of a man's heart when we hear the speach that comes from his mouth and we know that the speach of the man and the word of God do not align.
This is discernment.
People can claim to have dicernment all day long, but if what comes from their mouths does not line up with what is written from God's mouth, the discernemnt they have is not of God and they are deceived and anyone who knows the word of God will hear it.
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Proverbs 4:5 Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth.
Psalms 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
Proverbs 4:5 Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth.
Proverbs 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
Proverbs 16:16 How much better is it to get wisdom than gold! and to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver!
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I have a question:
Who here believes that people who are Muslims, Buddists, Hindu's, or whatever other relgion, but love 'god' and seek him, are going to go to heaven (rather they know Jesus Christ or not)?
It says in scripture somewhere that we are not to worship false Idols (that is in our commandments) Regardless of good intentions-unless we believe in the One True God and blieve that Christ died for our sins we will not go to Heaven... its so very sad infact... The path to heaven is very narrow, only few will make it..
"the path to hell is paved with good intentsions"
I believe Heart and Soul that Jesus Christ is the ONLY way. Here is a paraphrased quote from an Interview I Watched. Robert Schuller is interviewing Billy Graham:
In this interview Billy Graham says: “God is calling a people out for himself. Among the Muslim, Buddist, Hindu, all people, rather they know Christ or not. I believe they are saved.” (paraphrase)
When Robert Schuller heard Billy Graham make this pronouncement, he was Thrilled. Schuller then said "There is a wideness in god's mercy."
You could have knocked me over with a feather!
Now I SAW this with my own eyes and HEARD it with my own ears.
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Jhn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jo 5:1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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I have a question:
Who here believes that people who are Muslims, Buddists, Hindu's, or whatever other relgion, but love 'god' and seek him, are going to go to heaven (rather they know Jesus Christ or not)?
It says in scripture somewhere that we are not to worship false Idols (that is in our commandments) Regardless of good intentions-unless we believe in the One True God and blieve that Christ died for our sins we will not go to Heaven... its so very sad infact... The path to heaven is very narrow, only few will make it..
"the path to hell is paved with good intentsions"
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I have a question:
Who here believes that people who are Muslims, Buddists, Hindu's, or whatever other relgion, but love 'god' and seek him, are going to go to heaven (rather they know Jesus Christ or not)?
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Dcmbrnite,
How true that is - no one is perfect, infallible, and always 100% right on all subjects. Jesus Christ and God are the only true perfect ones, the only infallible ones, and the only 100% always right ones. God knows exactly what is in everyone's heart and He alone is the only one to judge everyone's heart.
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I can't honestly make any sort of opinion based on this post-Frankly I do not know much regarding Billy Graham, only what I hear from time to time... and well, as the saying goes "you can't believe everything you hear." Much of what we do hear or read is based upon opinions and others understanding/interuptation. I doubt many of us can say we "Know" Dr. Graham (especially on a personal basis)- to judge him based on others perspectives of what he has said or done is just as much a sin as murdering your neigbor.
It would appear, too, there are direct quotes-all I can say to that is many of us say things that others tend to understand differently, or mis-interpret-non of us are gifted with verbal elogance, I mean, there have been many times I have said something and someone would take it in a way I wouldn't have even imagine... how brutle our perspectives can be... especially if we have mentally pre-determined or own opinions as well as others motives.
Unfortunatly too, the older we get, often times, the more mentally "unstable" we become.
"People have a lot of strange motivations and reasons for saying things about others, jealousy, ignorance, an outright desire to just oppose what's good and noble. I think some people just want the press, to make news. What has to be remembered is that if we are the children of God through faith in Jesus Christ, and true to His Word (the Bible) we may have differences of opinion, BUT we will love and support one another. It's always interesting to get to the bottom of the heart and real motivations."
I am by no means agree or disagreeing with the post-I am merely just hoping that some of you will remember... no one is perfect.
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The fear of God is slowly diminishing in this country. You see it everywhere you look. Proverbs 9:10 tells us that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. This fear is a moral reverence. Those who remain guided by this fear or respect find guidance from God. But I think alot of people have become comfortable with God. In our efforts to make lost people feel comfortable with Christianity we have neglected a healthy fear of God. We have compromised.
Im sure glad Jesus stayed the course and did not compromise.
Im sorry if this post is a little of topic.
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No problem and no misunderstanding Matt, I do most always appreciate your input; you often give me things I need to think about. Iron sharpens Iron, my friend!
I thought your points we valid. Truth is we do not know how another person votes even if they tell you they are of one party or the other. We dont have to vote our party in every election in this country.
Actually your point brought me to do a little reading and it seems that Graham always felt that if he spoke his political views it would divide his audience and that he did not want.
Which I find to be very interesting in light of today his political party affilation is made publically known.
It does too bother me to see politicians bashed. We are supposed to pray for our leaders knowing that God sets all political leaders on their thrones.
Some he sets there to bring judgment on his people or on another kingdom and some to bring blessing.
I believe that we call sin sin and clinton's sins I did not excuse; and I could have never in good consceince with God voted for him; but Clinton will like the rest of us have to answer to God for his works.
God's will is done in the earth whether we like it or not and whether we know it or not and whether we resist it or not.
Anyway, thanks for your input, I did appreciate it.
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Linda,
I agree with what you have said in your most recent post, and I get the feeling you may think I was defending Graham.
I was not really defending Graham, as much as commenting about the way Clinton is talked about in the article.
It drives me crazy to see people put on a pedestal, and see people blindly follow others without making sure they are lining up with the Word of God.
In the same respect, it drives me crazy to see politicians bashed. The hatred that has arisen on both sides since the Bush/Gore election really saddens me. People no longer look at issues, but just at political party. You can have a Christian democrat, Christian republican, or Christian independent. But, you should ALWAYS be a Christian before being a democrat, republican, independent, etc.
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I am not sure that during his career Graham ever let on his political affiliation. I read in his book Just as I Am, that he felt very pressured in the elction between Dole and Clinton, to come out in support of one candiate or the other, and this was praticularly tough because they were both personal friends. He says in his book that his prayer on the matter was that God's will be done, as it had been with every other president.
I could relate to this as this is my prayer also at election time. I realize that one day, God's will will be being done as the AntiChrist himself takes the helm as world leader.
Still, I feel the obligation to vote in a way that to the best of my ability I vote for those whom I feel will not blantantly vote for things that are abomination to God, as I do see voting as a "work" that we do,as is everything else we do in this life.
I do not know why after all these years, Graham has come out and said that he has been a life long democrat. I assume that this is also God's will being done.
I knew when I posted this article that it would be controversial. I did not post it to tear down Billy Graham, I pray that Billy Graham will repent of his apostate views before his death.
I posted it because I think it speaks to this scripture by Paul:
1 Corinthians 9:27 but I chastise my body, and bring it into servitude, lest by any means, having preached to others—I myself may become disapproved.
I always found this to be an intersting thing for Paul to speak of. I so admire Paul and I cannot imagine that Paul would ever have been able to come to a point that he might no longer be useful to the Gospel. Yet Paul in the back of his mind somewhere kept this thought and knew that he would have to remain true to the Gospel all his days to be approved.
I know that Graham was one who went to great lengths to no ever put himself in a position to be accused of evil in the ways that most of us think of evil....he never could have been accused of physical impropriety for example. His accounting methods and the records of his ministry were always kept with the upmost detail; his own salary and such modest...we could go on for a long time over the things that Graham did to keep his body in subjection and never be in a place to be accused of sin that the Gospel be hurt.
But the sins of the flesh are not just the obvious. We also have to keep in subjection our mind - we can not embrace doctrines of demons.
I do think that over the years there has been a steady progression with Graham to abandon the truth and I post this because I want to show that it can happen to any one of us. We can be decieved. The enemy can lead us down the wrong path. I personally believe that for the elect he can only lead so far before God steps in and interviens, but that is another discussion and is apart from my point of posting this article.
My point is that we must not take the enmy or his ability to deceive too lightly; even Paul perhaps the greatest preacher to the Gentiles of all time understood that he could stumble and fall.
We look at the Great Billy Graham and say...cant happen look at all whom he led to Christ and I yes look. Billy Graham is a man, and men do not lead people to Christ - God draws men to himself and he uses men.., Men do not get people saved...the power of HIS Holy Spirit Gets people saved when men sow the WORD of God.
In the end, it is those that endure that shall be saved. Let us all pray that we be found to endure, as Paul did.
Sometimes even Great Men do not endure.
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Originally posted by helpforhomeschoolers:
Do you think that we will have to give account to God for knowingly casting our votes for those who would cast theirs for things like abortion and for homosexual marriage?
Absolutely. My only point was that everything we do should reflect Jesus Christ. We don't know if Graham voted for Clinton. Since he is a democrat, is it safe to assume he did? Maybe he befriended Clinton and tried to be a witness to him. If Graham did vote for him, then I agree that he will be held accountable for supporting things that are anti-biblical.
But, to continue to tear down a man in the attitude of the article that was written, I don't believe is Christ-like. I in no way have ever supported Bill Clinton, but he is a man in need of Jesus, just like the rest of us. His sins are no worse than yours or mine.
And, what exactly is a "veiled endorsement of Hilary Clinton"?
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How could a man who has spent his life traveling the globe to bring the message of Jesus stoop so low?
How could a man who traveled the world preaching stoop so low as to befriend a Samaritan woman at the well?
As far as I know, we do not know the nature of Graham's & Clinton's relationship.
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Do you think that we will have to give account to God for knowingly casting our votes for those who would cast theirs for things like abortion and for homosexual marriage? Is this a work - that will either burn or stand? What do you think?
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I'm not sure what being a democrat has to do with anything. You are either a Christian or not a Christian. EVERYTHING we do in our lives should reflect Jesus Christ, no matter what party we affiliate with.
We should forgive Clinton and pray for him just like anyone else. I pray that by Billy Graham's friendship with Clinton that he has been able to be a witness to him.
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People please- stop it. This isnt a new fact that Graham is a democrat... Unfortunately, here in Vegas, no tv station would air any part of the crusade so i missed it entirely.. But you are all sounding incredibly judgemental. I am a republican & a conservative but i believe Billy is a democrat except with a few tendancies to go conservative with abortion and same sex marriage..... But still his political views and how people bash him for that is so insignificant and stupid when he led 210 million to salvation. Or how much that multiplied by the countless ministries, by the leaders getting saved, that started under Graham.
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Texas Grandma,
Amen to your posting and I certainly agree with you. God bless you.
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During the night, I was thinking of Rev. Billy Graham and his acceptance of President Clinton. Perhaps it is because when he prayed with President Clinton, he found a man broken and willing to fall on his knees and pray for forgivness. Recently I have read of instances where President Bush was cursing a man to his face using the "F" word in front of his 4 year old son. We only see the televsion the man that President Bush wants us to see. In private Rev. Billy Graham may have seen a proud arrogant man. I will say this. At the prayer service after Sept 11, Rev. Billy Graham was the only preacher who had the nerve to pray in Jesus name. Everyone else would only say God's name for fear of offending non-Christians. I think he dropped the ball on not going out with a stonger preaching on salvation, but remember this, Rev. Billy Graham is 86 and with a brain injury. So lets pray that God will let him live out his days in the gentle arms of Jesus love.
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A million articles can be written and be about tearing this one down or that one down and how many believe it to be the truth just because it was written. Are you so certain that this article is the truth? If so what makes you so certain? Just because it's written doesn't always make it be the truth. There has been such a movement of tearing down ministers going on one after another. Satan must really love it!
God is the only qualified one to judge anyone person and that is because God is the only one who knows exactly what is in everyone's heart. God did not give his job of judging to any single human being on this earth to do for him!
Eduardo, I agree with your posting.
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