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Winner B.
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I would like to add in this post that when you have a spirit of the LOVE OF MONEY, there is then the tendency for you to be marked of that BEAST. Because money is the root of all evil. 1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
So, when you have this spirit, you actually love to have those chips or credit cards at your convenience.
Rev 13:17 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.
The very principle of what Revelation 13:16-17, is that when this Beast came, he will offer you convenience and one who is afraid to suffer scarcity will usually turn on this approach so that he can be filled and when we speak buy and sell, it is usually referring to money.
All must be aware of what this veri chip do to them. Or other methods will this mark would use to deceive people. Just watch out and pray to the Father for guidance in every decision we would make.
God bless everyone!
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Texas Grandma,
Thank you much for the scripture! I also think that Niedziejkore should read Favorminded's posting which explains in depth about the veri chip and all that it contains so that he'll have a better understanding of why we must all refuse and reject this veri chip. God bless you Texas Grandma! I enjoy all of your postings very much the same as I enjoy some of the others who post.
In Christ's love,
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Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
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Niedziejkore,
Please scroll back to Favorminded's posting about the veri chip for he has posted in depth about it and it will answer your question. Also just know one thing for certain you should never accept the veri chip which is the Mark Of The Beast!
In Christ's love,
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Those who refuse to have the veri chip implanted will not be able to buy or sell or do various other things. It is the Mark Of The Beast.
Wow! EXCELLENT POINT! i should have never doubted you. I guess that ends the discussion.
not quite...
Can you please cite a source for that statement?
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Those who refuse to have the veri chip implanted will not be able to buy or sell or do various other things. It is the Mark Of The Beast.
In Christ's love,
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Gramajo, the verichip is not the mark of the beast... have you read Revelations 13:16-18?
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And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
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And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
If the scriptures are true, than the verichip cannot be the mark of the beast because it doesn't fit the scriptures. The mark has to be a covenant between you and the antichrist... The verichip is not a covenant at all. not having the verichip does not prevent you from buying or selling.
The same technology of the verichip could possibly be used in the actual mark, but the truth is, the verichip itself is not the mark of the beast. it must fit more criteria than being placed in the hand or forehead.
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Soft Touch,
Amen! I agree he should scroll up to Favorminded's postings regarding the chip! This chip must be totally refused and rejected! God bless!
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Brook2007,
The chip I spoke about is called the veri chip which will contain all information about you such as your financial, medical, driver's license, social security number, etc. This chip will be implanted into those by using a syringe who do not refuse it. This is the Mark Of The Beast and every one must have the bibical knowledge and the strength to totally refuse it.
In Christ's love,
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Brad,
Scroll up on this thread and read a couple of Favor Minded's posts. They pretty clearly spell out HOW this VeriChip will become the Mark (as does Trenton's post on how the encryption will work).
All I can say is, Please Don't Take This Chip at Any time! It might Start Off as being an 'Option' but that Will Change when the AC comes into full power.
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Dear Gramajo320,
You say this:
We all will have to put on the armor of God and just totally refuse and resist this veri chip which most certainly is the Mark Of The Beast!
What is this chip that you are talking about?
I do not get what you are saying about a chip.
Are you talking about the death cookie wich the pope eats? The mark of the beast is what will go on the people who follow the beast. It is that simple. I am in the middle of a book that I am righting on the computer ![[type]](graemlins/type.gif) and I have a little of what I think about the end of time and all that. I also slip in some stuff that the word of God says. ![[Bible]](graemlins/bible.gif)
I do not know what you beleive but it seems that you beleive there is going to be a chip. The thing is there is already a chip/cookie out there. Or are you saying that the end is now. That is what I beleive, that the end is now. I already told yall this but I my as well say it again. I think that Jesus will be coming back in around three years. You do not have to agree with me it is just something that I beleive.
No one anywhere so far does not want to except what I beleive in or what I have to say. So far nobody here has put me down.
The mark of the beast is something like the mark that was put on Cain for no one would kill him where ever he went. The mark of the beast is what will make alot of people go against the Lord. As of what I beleive the devil is a tester that was made to test the Lord's children(wich is us). So far the end is near, because the world is getting more eviler as every day goes by. When the mark of the beast comes you will not be aloud in stores without getting the mark(666).
That is all I realy have to say, bye see ya later.
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We all will have to put on the armor of God and just totally refuse and resist this veri chip which most certainly is the Mark Of The Beast!
In Christ's love,
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The chip is so logical from a secular viewpoint. No money, or external identification which can be stolen. Nano seconds to complete economic activities. In case of natural emergency instant identification and medical records of the dead and wounded. So logical and so deadly for the soul.
How many Believers are watching for the Mark scenario? How many Believers would rebel if the mandatory Mark were instituted? Does this restrain from instituting? What happens if suddenly those who would resist/restrain/letteth were to vanish?
2 Thess 2:
6: And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7: For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8: And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10: And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11: And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Would be a national emergency if millions vanished, and introdece a desperate need for an international ID system. Restraints against the chip have been removed, time to implant the logical.
Rev. 13:
15: And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18: Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six
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Please Read Carefully at least the bolded section and understand that the bible speaks VERY plainly that it IS a literal / Physical mark - It is NOT simply spiritual - And, you will see from the translations below what I mean.....This IS NOTHING LIKE the UPC codes, this and all the actions around this are indeed prophecy fulfillment - There was NO fulfillment with UPCs, etc - There is with this, and I can PROVE IT!!
Presented as a need which outweighs concerns, it is very smoothly being integrated into our society, and people are buying into it rapidly for its ease of use, and much more.
Consider this first - John told us it would take wisdom -
Revelation 13 -
16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.
This cannot be "Spiritual" because it denotes a literal mark used for buying and selling - PLEASE SEE BELOW
The RFID and similar technology microchip is about the size of a grain of rice, or in some cases round and about the size of a small ibuprofen pill, only flat and thin.
Research proved that the only effective area to implant it are in the forehead or hand.
While they have used under the arm, and a few other places, the "IDEAL" locations are exactly as John described.
People have always wondered and attempted to "calculate" the names, causing disputes in regarding what it meant and how to determine the meaning of "666" and the "mark of the beast".
God brought to life The Revelation of St. John the Divine for a reason - To help us prepare for what lies ahead. To give insight and understanding without fear, so we as "His Chosen" would not "Take The Mark" when the time came.
During the time of the "Mark of the Beast", God will raise his church (at the rapture, the Catching Away, the Translating of the Restrainer) and pour out his wrath upon the rest of the world.
Over the last two or three decades there has been extensive advancement in technology, just as Daniel said there would be - Another fulfillment of prophecy never before seen as he described.
One in particular is that infamous "Mark of the Beast".
The original purpose of the RFID type chip was to restore mobility to people with severed nerves, then it was discovered that it could be used to modify behaviour. This opened a whole new area of research and development.
Certain World Governments, development companies, and several other foundations quickly realized that there were much more important uses commercially and personally.
These more important uses begin with simple versions already being used world wide to keep track of pets and other animals, as well as children, convicts, certain types of medical patients, travelers, and more as I mentioned earlier.
InfoPet has been endorsed by the ASPCA and has been selected as the global standard for zoos and aquariums by the Captive Breeding Specialist Group of the IUCN. Hundreds of zoos worldwide, as well as government agencies in at least 21 countries are using the trovan system for animal identification purposes.
Bracelet tracks kids by satellite - Two United States companies have unveiled tracking bracelets that can locate a child within 60 seconds of a distress call being sent.
The bracelets transmit a signal that is picked up by the Global Positioning System network of navigational satellites.
The devices are being sold by rival US companies.
It's most important applications they say are positive identification and control.
We can uniquely identify over 34 billion recipients and locate any one of them via satellite to within a few feet of their location.
Testing and development in humans is well advanced in numerous countries.
Several years ago Sweden tested the chip in 6,000 men, and the U.S. in 17,000 babies -neither found any reported side effects (Easing into the public, seemingly very helpful, useful and safe)
More than 1.5 million dollars was spent finding out that the two places in the body that the temperature changes the most rapidly are in the forehead - Preferred, and the back of the hand.
Advanced versions of these chips contain the same information as the SmartCards.
They can store huge amounts of personal data like your photo, your identity, any criminal record and your purchasing history -(Most important for tracking Buying and Selling)
It also has the ability to be used in the same way as any credit, debit or EFTPOS card, but with the added ability that it can be filled up with a cash value that can be used whenever you do shopping. Touted as the wave of the future and the best thing to come along.
Plans are in place to make acceptance of the chip natural, logical and beneficial to the general public as is already being done at am alarming rate.
Our FDA has approved - Our "Homeland" security has called FOR ALL birth certificates and DL info to be centralized and all newborns will have the chip - They will not be able to enter school, etc. without it - MANDATORY you see, just like the EU, And JUST LIKE John said it would be...
A beast that wants to appear as harmless and desirable – in order to obtain the greatest degree of acceptance.
Right now it is still voluntary – just like credit cards – and a great proportion of the population will receive them very willingly –
The benefits of using the "Voluntary" ID Chips -
Never fear losing your baby or any other relative again.
Never lose your money or credit card again.
No more credit card fraud – because nobody can steal your chip or even use your chip number (I wonder what the number of the AntiChrist's Chip will be) separately from your chip.
No need to carry money – just charge up your hand with a cash value that can be used in public transport and other places that don't have a phone link with banks - This is happening now in certain electronic maker corporate structures.
No need to carry a driver's license or passport because all the information can be contained in the chip.
Locate survivors and victims -
It is rapidly becoming widespread and accepted.
We can expect to see alternate things like cash and credit cards slowly disappear until the chip becomes the only legal way to buy or sell (Sounds like Revelation to me)
Using cash, checks and credit cards will disappear - Banks will adjust their fees on these services to eliminate them for the "better" chip method -
People will not be able to use government services or receive government benefits without the chip to identify themselves.
People will not be able to get employment without the chip to identify themselves.
The governments will impose the highest tax rates to anyone not onboard with the ID chip.
You won't be able to get paid or use your $$$, bank or pay bills without the chip.
Hand readers will be everywhere, including the average home to allow internet buying and selling.
Passports are already doing it, and it is only a matter of time before driver's licenses will be completely replaced by the chip
International travel is already doing this and driving will eventually be limited to those who have the chip.
The ability to buy or sell ANYTHING – without the chip – will gradually diminish and eventually disappear altogether.
Laws are already in place, and others are on the way, in preparation for the chip.
Eventually, it will become law for everyone to have the chip. Our OWN FDA said within 4 years it will normal, and within 7 LAW, sounds prophetic to me, and when you read the TRUE interpretation, it will make sense -
Christians will refuse to accept it, creating a faster paced requirement and making it become law much faster.
There will be those "Christians" who refuse to recognize the threat of this and think it will be ok - They will be blinded by the Beast, and the Word is quite clear on this as well -
The President of the United States already has the power to enforce the use of the chip - (Section 100 of the Emigration and Control Act of 1996.)
There are bills before the U.S. congress right now that will allow them to inject a microchip in your baby at the time of birth for identification purposes.
The book of Revelation was written in Greek, so it is important to note that any interpretation will need to consider the Greek version of the text in order to get the clearest possible understanding.
This is the TRUE interpretation of the "wisdom" John was referring to --
mark charagma
(khar'-ag-mah) A scratch or etching ie. a stamp (as a badge of servitude). It comes from charasso (which means to sharpen to a point.) {A microchip is an etching in a piece of silicon.}
name onoma
(on'-om-ah) A "name" (literally or figuratively) [authority, character] – eg. Having the authority of someone's name.
count psephizo
(psay-fid'-zo) To use pebbles in enumeration, ie. (in general) to compute or count. {Silicon chips are small pebbles of sand.)
man's anthropos
(anth'-ro-pos) Man-faced, ie. a human being – particularly a certain individual.
666 chi xi stigma
(khee xee stig'-ma) This can be interpreted as either a number (666) or as text:
"chi" means 600;
"xi" means 60.
"stigma" means 6, but also means a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership). It comes from stizo (to "stick", ie. prick).
{16} He [the second beast] caused everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive an etching of servitude (a chip made with a sharp point) in their right hand, or in their foreheads; {17} so that no one could buy or sell unless they had the etching of servitude, or the authority of the beast, or the number of his authority. {18} Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast, for it is an individual's [identification] number. His number is incised with a pricking action.
"Etching" may refer to the incision into the skin, but more likely it refers to the chip itself, because that is exactly how microchips are made - by etching a piece of silicon with a sharp or pointed electron beam.
That some will be able to operate using "the authority of the beast" or with "the number of his authority" suggests that a select few, will have the authority to buy and sell etc without the chip being implanted in their hand or forehead.
If "the number of his authority" is interpreted as "the number of his name", then it could mean that you would be able to use your identification number manually (for phone or internet purchases) but this is inconsistent with the purpose of the chip.
In Rev 16:2 it says there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men who had the mark of the beast -
If the lithium in the chip escapes into the body, that's what'll happen!
Although there are numerous ways that the secular world has used the number 666 the interpretation of chi xi stigma as a number (666) is irrelevant.
The way to read it is, "Your identification number, incised or pricked into the skin."
Look at how closely the chip fits the description in Scripture. We are indeed very close to the time of the the Great Tribulation - Which means the Rapture IS INDEED VERY SOON!
The Bible says many Christians will give up their faith over the issue of whether or not to receive the mark - Again, another reason to believe it is tangible and not Spiritual.
They will do this because resisting will be too hard –
DO NOT BE FOOLED OR THINK THIS IS NOT THE MARK - IT IS!!!!
The Word of God says this
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receives the mark of his name - Rev 14:9-11
The time of the mark is here - We are better prepared because we trust and believe in God's Word -
The world will hate you for standing firm in your Christian faith. We must hold fast to the reward that God has for those who hold on to their faith and do not give in.
Christ IS coming to Rapture the Church Very Soon I believe!! AMEN!!
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Nobody is causing us to recieve a mark to buy or sell, at least not yet. So, let's be careful. If we put all our eggs in one basket, people might be blinded to the real mark when it does come.
You're right, at least not yet
December 9, 2004
“Your Papers Please”
US adopts National ID: Homeland Security Now In charge of Regulations for all US States Drivers Licenses and Birth Certificates
In a chilling act more reminiscent of the now defunct Soviet Union or the Nazi regime of Adolph Hitler, the United States Congress passed legislation yesterday that requires the States to surrender their regulatory rights over driver’s licenses and birth certificates to The Department of Homeland Security.
The massive US Intelligence Reform Bill weighed in at over 3,000 pages and though unread by individual Members of either the House or Senate nevertheless passed all of the legislative hurdles needed in order to become law.
President Bush lobbied hard for these provisions, only objecting when Senator Sensenbrenner attempted to require these same provisions for illegal aliens but which the President opposed. This provision was dropped from the final bill.
Beginning in 2005, the Department of Homeland Security will issue new uniformity regulations to the States requiring that all Drivers Licenses and Birth Certificates meet minimal Federal Standards with regard to US citizen information, including biometric security provisions.
Added to currently existing Federal Laws and Supreme Court rulings American citizens when born will be issued a Social Security Number that will be included on their Birth Certificates, along with DNA biometric markers. All birth certificates will also be registered in a Federal Government database maintained by the Department of Homeland Security. No child will be allowed enrollment to schools or be entitled to either State of Federal Government benefits programs without first presenting a certified Homeland Security registered Birth Certificate.
Drivers Licenses will also contain DNA biometric markers and include the holders Social Security Number and be required for receiving and applying for all State and Federal benefits programs. Previous Supreme Court rulings have also upheld State and Federal Law Enforcement authorities right to request Identification from any American citizen, for any reason and at any time as not being violations of their, the citizens, constitutionally protected rights.
Major Banks and credit card companies have applauded the adoption of a National ID system as being important to counter fraud and increasing instances of identity theft. National ID cards with biometric markers will eliminate them from having to issue Credit and Debit cards, which for the first time in US history have surpassed the usage of checks and cash. Utilizing The Department of Homeland Securities centralized federal database, Banks and credit card companies will only require the presentation of a citizens Driver’s License to make purchases as all of the persons financial information, including credit and cash balances, will already be known in ‘real time’. (The combining of Homeland Security and Banking databases on citizen’s balances and purchases, along with their past and present purchasing information, has been allowed under previous Federal Laws including the Patriot Act.)
Also included in this bill is a law to require The Department of Homeland Security to establish a separate ID system for citizens to use prior to boarding airplanes, and which is eerily reminiscent of the Soviet and Nazi regimes dreaded Internal Passport.
Never before in our history have the words of Benjamin Franklin been so correct when he stated: "people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both".
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Texas Grandma,
Amen! I'm in agreement with your posting! Regarding the veri chip that will contain all information about a person, they want every person to regard the chip as being totally harmless and being the best idea ever and that's how they are getting so many people to accept the idea. This veri chip and all of the information it will contain to enable a person to buy and sell is definitely the Mark Of The Beast.
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I never said I would know who he is. But people who get left behind and get saved can study the Bible and prophecy books and know who the anit-christ is.
Trust me I still believe in the Pre-trib, rapture and one day all Christians, will. When IT Happens!
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If that's true grandma, don't you believe in pre-trib rapture? You realize that the pre-trib view and you knowing who the anti-christ is, are mutually exclusive, don't you? You can't have both, only one. Take your pick...
1. pre-trib rapture
2. you get to know who the anti-christ is
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I believe like my Pastor in Houston. I believe that it is quite possible that some form of these chips will be used as the mark of the beast. But, when people take this mark it will not be by accident. They will be told in advance that they are swearing their allengence to the anit-christ. Unfortunatly they will not be told he is the anit-christ. Many will believe he is the real God. That is why it is important for books like to left behind book to be out there. It warns people ahead of time not to take this mark.
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I wouldn't worry about the mark of the beast anyhow guys/gals. You're all going to get a free and clear trip out of here. ![[Wink]](wink.gif) I mean surely the mark of the beast can't come until the beast gets here, can it? And that doesn't happen until mid-trib, so we'll be gone by then.
Sorry for the sarcasm, just thought it would be funny. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) ROFL.
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I'm just confused. does everyone think that just because it's placed in the forehead and hand that it is without a doubt the mark of the beast?
The verdict is still out whether a computer-type chip will be or is the mark of the beast. No one should state so categorically, as Trenton D. Adams did in this case.
However, that assumes that we will at some point be able to recognize something or someone as the mark of the beast, and even that, whether we will be able to recognize it at all, is also still an unknown.
God bless, ![[Cross]](graemlins/cross.gif) BORN AGAIN
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Right, but in the case of the verichip, nobody is telling me to do it besides myself, so the verichip is not the mark because he (the antichrist) is not causing me to put it in me.
But as to wether or not the mark can be removed is another story. You forgot to boldface an important part of the bible verse: If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
key word is AND. leading me to believe that in order to drink of the wine of the wrath of god, you not only must have the mark, but also worship the beast as well. If the antichrist forces the populous to have the mark, then everyone with the mark should not be automatically condemned to hell, for god knows each and every one of us, and can see into our souls, and knows are intentions. My vision of those who drink of the wine of the wrath of god, is of the priesthood of the antichrist, and his fanatic believers. I don't believe infants, children, and unwilling participants are what peter saw suffering in the pit of fire.
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Originally posted by Niedziejkore:
From what i've found regarding the mark of the beast:
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And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
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And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
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Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
in 16, this is probably the strongest connection, that of it being in the hand or forehead. However, not having the verichip would not prevent you from buying or selling as stated in 17. And the verichip is pretty secular in that it has no religous affilliations, so if you are a muslem, jew, hindu or christian, you're able to get the verichip regardless of race, religion etc.
i'm not about to accuse everything of being the mark of the beast just because it has a chip in it. We have social security cards, drivers licenses, credit cards... by definition, all of our wallets are then the mark of the beast!
But paul speaks in verse 18 to those who have understanding... the number of the beast. This to me says one thing... we will not know the mark until we know the man who's number is 666. We don't even know this! I think instead of focusing on what the mark of the beast is, isn't it more important to know who the beast is? Because he's going to be the one issuing the mark.
And if i had a chance to get a verichip, i'd probably do it. It wouldn't hurt (especially if it's on a trial basis!)... anyway, i'm sure there is a procedure to remove it. There is nothing that says the mark can not be removed. or is irremovable.
Revelation 14:9-12
9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
The bible does not say that you can have the mark, and remove it when you choose. I believe that would be putting God to the test. So, scripture says that all you have to do is receive it. That seems to me that it's saying that you receive it and it's too late.
So, don't take the chance man. That's a very bad idea.
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From what i've found regarding the mark of the beast:
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13:16
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
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And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
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Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
in 16, this is probably the strongest connection, that of it being in the hand or forehead. However, not having the verichip would not prevent you from buying or selling as stated in 17. And the verichip is pretty secular in that it has no religous affilliations, so if you are a muslem, jew, hindu or christian, you're able to get the verichip regardless of race, religion etc.
i'm not about to accuse everything of being the mark of the beast just because it has a chip in it. We have social security cards, drivers licenses, credit cards... by definition, all of our wallets are then the mark of the beast!
But paul speaks in verse 18 to those who have understanding... the number of the beast. This to me says one thing... we will not know the mark until we know the man who's number is 666. We don't even know this! I think instead of focusing on what the mark of the beast is, isn't it more important to know who the beast is? Because he's going to be the one issuing the mark.
And if i had a chance to get a verichip, i'd probably do it. It wouldn't hurt (especially if it's on a trial basis!)... anyway, i'm sure there is a procedure to remove it. There is nothing that says the mark can not be removed. or is irremovable.
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The mark of the beast will not be known until everyone is required to take a mark in the name of the AC in order to buy and sell. Is it possible that this will end up being the mark? Yes, of course, but we don't know yet. It's possible that the mark could be something completely different. We just don't know what the mark will be. I find this kind of speculation about as worthy as trying to predict the AC...
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He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. [Revelation 13:16-17]
Nobody is causing us to recieve a mark to buy or sell, at least not yet. So, let's be careful. If we put all our eggs in one basket, people might be blinded to the real mark when it does come.
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Niedziejkore,
This veri chip is indeed the Mark Of The Beast and it will indeed contain all of your financial, medical, social security number, etc. It has already been given to many people who were eager to accept it. The scanners to read this veri chip have also been manufactured and are being sold. There have been various news stories in the newspapers about it and it was told about on the Today Show a very long time ago. Everyone who is a christian needs to get the word out to non-believers to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour and torefuse taking the veri chip for the end times are here and bibical prophecy is coming true at a very high rate of speed! We must all put on the armor of God and totally refuse and resist ever taking this veri chip! We all know what the consequences will be for refusing - that is not being able to buy or sell for example but our reward in heaven is what we all want! No to the veri chip!
In Christ's love,
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Trent:
I know i head you say to someone something to the effect of "take a deep breath, sit back and think about what you're saying" And I would ask you to do the same here, and ask...
Why are you so sure this is the mark of the beast. I am very unsure this is the mark at all. Just because ther similarity in that it is placed in the hand or forehead does not show for certain that it is the mark of the beast. Nothing else besides that seems to fit. The veri chip does not prevent you or make you elligible to buy or sell, or give you any real advantages. there is not even a way you can link this thing to a one world government.
I'm just confused. does everyone think that just because it's placed in the forehead and hand that it is without a doubt the mark of the beast?
Ahhh, HELLO. You're right, it might not be the mark of the beast. You could test it for us.
You're right, at this point we can't be sure it's the mark of the beast. But, when you are required to take it, to buy or sell, you'll know. By that time, if you have it, it will be too late for you. Don't take anything that requires you to put something in your body for any purpose such as what these things are being used for, especially if it's for your forehead or right hand.
People foresaw this thirty to fourty years ago, before they even had this technology.
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Trent:
I know i head you say to someone something to the effect of "take a deep breath, sit back and think about what you're saying" And I would ask you to do the same here, and ask...
Why are you so sure this is the mark of the beast. I am very unsure this is the mark at all. Just because ther similarity in that it is placed in the hand or forehead does not show for certain that it is the mark of the beast. Nothing else besides that seems to fit. The veri chip does not prevent you or make you elligible to buy or sell, or give you any real advantages. there is not even a way you can link this thing to a one world government.
I'm just confused. does everyone think that just because it's placed in the forehead and hand that it is without a doubt the mark of the beast?
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Trenton D. Adams,
Thanks for your posting. We all know that this verichip is absolutely the Mark Of The Beast that we must all totally resist accepting it! We must also get the word out to everyone not to take this chip! This is more of bible prophecy coming true!
In Christ's love,
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Under normal circumstances it would take a heck of a lot to get the world to support the mark of the beast. I mean really, who wants an embedded chip in their hand or forehead? Even non christians recognize that it's dumb, but at the same time so smart. Some also realize that it's the mark of the beast prophesied in the bible.
So what does it take to get the population of the world to embrace such a thing? Read the following article, then read mine and you'll know how it's going to work.
http://money.cnn.com/2005/02/25/news/fortune500/bank_america/index.htm?cnn=yes
I've been seeing a lot of articles like that one. I seen one a little while ago about a company that got some employee information stolen that could potentially be used to steal their identities.
So, why does that make the mark of the beast look so good? I mean couldn't they steal the person's personal ID too? The answer would be no, and here's my theory on why, being the computer nerd I am.
If all the chip held inside of it was the ID of someone, and that's all that was required to do a transaction, online or otherwise, then it's no better than a credit card or bank card.
So, how do we get around that problem? Well, the chip will HAVE TO be comprised of an encryption protocol of some type. It'll likely be a private/public key cryptographic protocol of some sort. Basically what happens in a protocol like this is as follows.
The chip will contain a private key that only it knows. The chip will also contain a public key that ANYONE can know. It will hand out this public key to ANYONE that asks for it. Then, any device that wants to communicate with this chip will also require it's own private and public key, and this device will work in the same manner. The public key is used for the encryption (scrambling of data), and the private key is used for the decryption (reverse scrambling of that data).
So, if you have someone's public key you will be able to send an encrypted message to them of some form. But, no one else can decrypt that message, except the recipient because they don't have the private key. So, the communication goes like so...
THE DEVICE = a till at a store, an internet device at home for online shopping, etc.
THE CHIP = the mark of the beast chip
THE SERVER = a central server that contains everyone's account information.
Quick extra note. THE CHIP will also contain THE SERVER's public key, and vice versa, which will NEVER CHANGE.
1. THE DEVICE sends an unencrypted message to THE CHIP asking for it's public key and at the same time sending THE CHIP THE DEVICE's public key.
2. THE CHIP responds with it's public key
3. THE DEVICE asks for more information from THE CHIP that only THE CHIP and THE SERVER know. THE CHIP encrypts this information, along with transaction amount in ($$$) and various other things, using the public key of THE SERVER so that only THE SERVER can decrypt it. The entire message is encrypted using THE DEVICE's public key for extra security.
4. THE DEVICE sends this special PRIVATE data to THE SERVER, and THE SERVER decrypts it using it's private key, and see that the data THE CHIP sent matches what it has. When this happens it allows the transaction to occur.
So, by doing this, the actual ID of THE CHIP could be publicly available and no one would care because it's that special private data that only THE CHIP and THE SERVER know about. And since that data gets transmitted in a way that only THE SERVER and THE CHIP can see it, no one will ever be able to steel your identity without first stealing your head or your hand, or possibly cutting it out from under your skin. By that time you would probably already be dead so who cares.
This is the basic idea, but still not secure enough seeing that THE DEVICE could just hold onto that special data that was previously encrypted for later use. But, there are other measures you could take to prevent that from happening as well.
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