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There is a tremendously important prophecy in the book of Joel that addresses the issue of dividing the land of Israel:
Joel 3:1-2
1“For behold, in those days and at that time,
When I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem,
2I will gather all the nations
And bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat.
Then I will enter into judgment with them there
On behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel,
Whom they have scattered among the nations;
And they have divided up My land.
It does not get any clearer than this, folks!
These are the days that the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem has been restored, beginning with Israel becoming an offical nation state in 1948.
The Jews had been scattered from their land by the rest of the world (other nations), therefore God will enter into judgement on the nations once the Jews are back in their land and He will "gather the nations" to the valley of Jehosephat (the valley between the Mt. of Olives and Jerusalem)for the nations will have divided the land of Israel. God had "gathered" the Jews from the world they were scattered to bless and restore them to His Promised Land, now He will "gather" the nations to the Promised Land for judgement.
Where is the focus of the world? The land of Israel...God's Promised Land.
There will always be a price for going against the covenants of God.
Even so, come Lord Jesus.
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This is on the Zola Levitt Board--good information about "Palestine" and Israel.ring the last few centuries, the world, Christians included, has fallen into a bad habit. We have bought into some early Roman propaganda. We have used the name Palestine, which Roman Emperor Hadrian placed on the country of Israel in 135 A.D., for so long that it has become common usage. This would be as incorrect as calling the Russia of today the “Soviet Union” or referring to Berlin as “East Germany.” The thoughts below by our ministry’s senior theologian, Dr. Thomas S. McCall, completely explore the subject. If you know somebody who’s fallen into this habit, please share this article with them.
— Zola
Current Propaganda’s Use of Palestine
There is a propaganda war going on now with regard to the term “Palestine.” At one time it might have been argued that Palestine was an innocuous designation of the Middle Eastern area, that is generally thought of as the Holy Land. During the last few decades, however, the term Palestine has been adopted by Arabs living in Israel in the area west of the Jordan River. It is specifically employed to avoid the use of the name Israel, and must be considered an anti-Israel term. In all Arab maps published in Jordan, Egypt, etc., the area west of the Jordan River is called Palestine, without any reference to Israel. Palestine is the term now used by those who want to deny the legitimate existence of Israel as a genuine nation among the family of nations.
The term now adopted by the political entity within Israel that is gradually obtaining more and more pockets of territory through the “peace process,” is “the PA (Palestinian Authority). Although it must deal daily with Israeli officials, the PA hates to use the term Israel in any of its communications.
Palestine, therefore, must now be considered a political propaganda term with massive anti-Israel implications. The world press uses the term to question the legitimacy of modern Israel. Christians also have used the term Palestine for centuries in referring to the Holy Land. In earlier times this might have been excused (although biblically questionable) because of its common usage. In light of the current propaganda war against Israel, however, Christians must now re-evaluate the term Palestine and consider whether it is biblically, theologically or prophetically accurate.
Biblical Use of Palestine
The term Palestine is rarely used in the Old Testament, and when it is, it refers specifically to the southwestern coastal area of Israel occupied by the Philistines. It is a translation of the Hebrew word “Pelesheth.” The term is never used to refer to the whole land occupied by Israel. Before Israel occupied the land, it would be generally accurate to say that the southwestern coastal area was called Philistia (the Way of the Philistines, or Palestine), while the central highlands were called Canaan. Both the Canaanites and the Philistines had disappeared as distinct peoples at least by the time of the Babylonian Captivity of Judea (586 B.C.), and they no longer exist.
In the New Testament, the term Palestine is never used. The term Israel is primarily used to refer to the people of Israel, rather than the Land. However, in at least two passages, Israel is used to refer to the Land:
Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead who sought the young child’s life. And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel. (Matt. 2:20-21)
But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say to you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man shall have come. (Matt. 10:23)
The first passage is when Joseph, Mary and Jesus returned from Egypt to Israel, and the second has reference to the proclamation of the Gospel throughout the Land of Israel. Jesus, Matthew and the angel speaking to Joseph use the term Israel with reference to the Land, even though the term was not then recognized by the Roman authorities.
It is clear, then, that the Bible never uses the term Palestine to refer to the Holy Land as a whole, and that Bible maps that refer to Palestine in the Old or New Testament are, at best, inaccurate, and, at worst, are a conscious denial of the biblical name of Israel.
History of the Term Palestine
Where did the term Palestine originate from? How did the world and the church get into the habit of calling the land of Israel “Palestine”? One of the guides we use in our tours to Israel is Zvi Rivai, an Israeli Messianic believer, who has done considerable research on this subject. Zvi informs us that before 135 A.D., the Romans used the terms Judea and Galilee to refer to the Land of Israel. When Titus destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D., the Roman government struck a coin with the phrase “Judea Capta,” meaning Judea has been captured. The term Palestine was never used in the early Roman designations.
It was not until the Romans crushed the second Jewish revolt against Rome in 135 A.D. under Bar Kochba that Emperor Hadrian applied the term Palestine to the Land of Israel. Hadrian, like many dictators since his time realized the propaganda power of terms and symbols. He replaced the shrines of the Jewish Temple and the Sepulchre of Christ in Jerusalem with temples to pagan deities. He changed the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitalina, and changed the name of Israel and Judea to Palestine. Hadrian’s selection of Palestine was purposeful, not accidental. He took the name of the ancient enemies of Israel, the Philistines, Latinized it to Palestine, and applied it to the Land of Israel. He hoped to erase the name Israel from all memory. Thus, the term Palestine as applied to the Land of Israel was invented by the inveterate enemy of the Bible and the Jewish people, Emperor Hadrian.
It is interesting to note that the original Philistines were not Middle Eastern at all. They were European peoples from the Adriatic sea next to Greece. It may have pleased Hadrian to utilize this Hellenistic term for the Jewish land. In any case, the original “Palestinians” had nothing to do, whatsoever, with any Arabs.
Christian Adoption of the Term Palestine
One of the first Christian uses of the term Palestine is found in the works of the Church historian Eusebius, who lived in Caesarea. He wrote around 300 A.D., as the Roman persecution of Christians was ending and the Emperor Constantine began to accept Christianity as legal. Eusebius did not accept Hadrian’s designation of Jerusalem as Aelia Capitalina, but he did use Hadrian’s term Palestine. Eusebius considered himself to be one of the bishops of Palestine. Thus, the anti-Israel, anti-Christian name of Palestine was assimilated into the Church’s vocabulary as the Byzantine Empire was being established.
The Church has, since that time, broadly used the term Palestine in literature and in maps to refer to the Land of Israel. It should be noted, however, that the Crusaders called their land the Kingdom of Jerusalem. When the British received the mandate after World War I, though, they called the land on both sides of the Jordan River, Palestine. This became the accepted geo-political term for several decades, and those who lived in the land were called Palestinians, whether they were Jews, Arabs or Europeans.
Even evangelical Christians who believe in the future of Israel have used the term Palestine. The New Scofield Reference Edition of the Bible has maps in the back entitled “Palestine under the Herods.” There never was a Palestine under the Herods. This is a serious misidentification. It would be something like looking at a modern map of Texas and having it titled “Mexico in the Twentieth Century.”
The MacArthur Study Bible published just last year contains a map called “Palestine in Christ’s Time” There are numerous references in the notes to something called first-century Palestine.
It appears that Bible-believing Christians have either knowingly or unwittingly followed the world, pagans and haters of Israel in calling Israel by the anti-Israel term Palestine. It is found throughout Bible maps, Bible commentaries and textbooks.
Proper Designation of the Land
The use of the term Palestine was biblically inaccurate and wrong throughout the Church age. However, it is more than just wrong, it is devastating in our time, when the term Palestine is the cornerstone of the propaganda war against Israel and the Jewish people. Do we want to use terms invented by those who hate Christ, the Bible and Israel? Do we want to utilize terms used by the enemies of Israel who desire to accomplish nothing less than the destruction of the Jewish people? I think not.
Christians should use the terminology of the Bible wherever possible. Why not go back to the terms used in the New Testament? The Gospel writers used the term Israel to refer to the Land. Why should we use any other term when referring to the Land, especially now that the Jews are back in the Land and have re-established the nation of Israel among the family of nations?
As we draw closer to the Second Coming of Christ, we should understand that Satan’s fury against the Church and Israel will grow exponentially. Satan hates the Gospel of the crucified and risen Messiah, and he hates the reality of the restoration of Israel as the nation that will ultimately receive Jesus as the Messiah at His return, and the nation that will be Christ’s earthly headquarters. The only term we should use for the Land is Israel, or its subdivisions of Judea, Samaria, and Galilee. We should make every effort to remove the term Palestine from our Bible maps and textbooks, and use only biblical terms with reference to the Holy Land of Israel.
Copyright © 1997 Zola Levitt Ministries, Inc., a non-profit 501(c) organization. All rights reserved. Brief passages may be quoted in reviews or other article. For all other use, please get our written approval.
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Don't worry, not only am I a student of native american studies, i'm also Oneida indian, with family living on the reservation.
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My point was, did we give the Indians' land back to them? Other than some measely reservations, no we didn't, and the USA is not even a land which has some Godly promises and predictions and covenants attached to it, whereas the land of Canaan is definitely a land given and promised to the Jacob-Israelites, and the Jacob-Israelites aren't given it back either, for similar reasons as we had in the USA and for even more important reasons than we have in the USA.
That was my point; but perhaps I misread what you intended to say; if so, I apologize.
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it wasn't really intentional. if i were to go back and edit it, I would put them both in the present tense.
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I see that you live comfortably in Wisconsin? Wasn't that formerly Indian country?
I see you live in the U.S.A. Wasn't that formerly indian country?
What's your point?
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Niedziejkore, you wrote quote:
The palestinians deserve that land, just as the Native Americans deserved their land.
I assume that it was intentional on your part to use the word deserve (present tense) for the Palestinians and deserved (past tense) for Native Americans?
I see that you live comfortably in Wisconsin? Wasn't that formerly Indian country?
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Niedziejkore,
I believe that the Bible says that Israel belongs to the Jewish people not Arabs.
As far as Germany bouncing back after God’s wrath, I don’t see them in
the position of power that they had before.
I believe God is on the side of the Jews and the devil is on the side of Arab people who worship the Muslim god and not the real God in Heaven.
And who do you think is a lunatic?
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And there, my friends, we have it! Longtime supporters of the nation of Israel, the United States, it appears, is willing to do anything to repair its relationship with the European Union - the empire which will give rise to the Antichrist and his one-world government - even if repairing that relationship involves cutting the nation of Israel in half! The bad news for America is this: Making up with the revived Roman empire of Bible prophecy in this manner is going to come with a price - a heavy price!
God has promised us those who seek to cut Israel in half, even if the whole world is gathered against the nation of Israel, will be paid back for making that mistake! Are there any Christian politicians in Washington, either on Capitol Hill or at the White House, who have any understanding of Bible prophecy whatsoever? I am sincerely beginning to wonder!
This man is a lunatic!
Anyhow, it's good to thee the Bush administration is finally working toward peace. The palestinians deserve that land, just as the Native Americans deserved their land.
A funny thing about god destroying those who stand against Israel: The Germans bounced back pretty fast after god's wrath, didn't they?
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This story was linked to on Brother Ripp’s website (http://www.rapturenews.com/) and I felt compelled to reproduce it here.
http://www.rapturealert.com/020705peacemongers.html
(There are linked articles on this site, so if you want to view the link’s you’ll have to go to the original article link above)
The peacemongers are back - and the news isn't good
by Michael G. Mickey
(2-7-05)
On the surface at least, it appears, based on a number of headlines in the news, Condoleeza Rice's first-ever visit to the Middle East as US Secretary of State has been quite eventful. Some of the headlines I've read are:
· [u]Rice in Middle East, Says Time for Peace Is Now
· Rice Says 'Hard Decisions' Await Israel
· Rice: U.S. wants help with Middle East peace
· Rice: U.S. to Commit $40M in Palestinian Aid
· Rice: U.S. to appoint 'security coordinator,' will take active role [/u]
As interesting as all of these headlines are, as well as some of the content within them, some articles I read prior to Rice's visit had a much greater impact on me. One such article was featured in Haaretz. The headline?[u] Analysis: Israel braces for Rice's visit[/u]. Israel bracing for a visit from its good friend and longtime supporter, the United States of America?
The author of the Haaretz article, Haluf Benn, wrote:
Something strange is going on: The government of Ariel Sharon prefers Egyptian involvement to American arbitration - that same administration the prime minister described as very friendly to Israel? Hosni Mubarak is applauded and the news that Rice is arriving is received with sour looks?
Something strange, as Benn stated, is definitely going on, but what? The answer may lie in an article I found on Jewish World Review entitled '[u]The peacemongers are back[/u]'. The opening, attention-grabbing paragraph of the article reads:
Attention Friends of Israel: Condie may prove to be worse than Colin. Has "Bush's patsy" gone independent or has "Israel's best friend ever" done an about-face?
The article quickly goes on to spell out why all friends of Israel (that's all of us, born-again Christians. Yes, ALL of us who honor the Word of God!) need to open our eyes and see what the government of the United States is expressing support of! What does the US support? Get ready for a bombshell!
The article quotes Rice as saying the Israelis are going to have to recognize that there is going to have to be land - contiguous land for a Palestinian state to exist on. The author of the article, Caroline B. Glick, explains what this tells us about the position the government of the United States is currently taking - a position that should frighten those of us familiar with end times Bible prophecy to death! Glick writes:
Contiguous land? Well, how can there be contiguity between Judea and Samaria on the east and the Gaza Strip on the west unless Israel is split in two? It's simple geography. Either Israel will separate two sections of the Palestinian state or the Palestinian state will divide Israel in two. And now we know where America stands on the issue.
Now, as we reflect on Glick's words, it becomes frighteningly apparent why Israel was bracing itself for Rice's visit, although Haaretz correspondent Haluf Benn didn't really touch on that particular aspect of the ongoing drama in the Middle East. What Benn did state, as a partial explanation of Israel's apprehensions, however, really perked my ears up, as I believe they will yours as well.
Benn wrote:
Rice is seeking to show her presence and take command in the diplomatic arena. It is important for her to show to her colleagues in Europe that the new Bush administration intends to step up its involvement in finding a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. This is the price the Europeans are demanding for an improvement in trans-Atlantic relations, which deteriorated as a result of the war in Iraq.
And there, my friends, we have it! Longtime supporters of the nation of Israel, the United States, it appears, is willing to do anything to repair its relationship with the European Union - the empire which will give rise to the Antichrist and his one-world government - even if repairing that relationship involves cutting the nation of Israel in half! The bad news for America is this: Making up with the revived Roman empire of Bible prophecy in this manner is going to come with a price - a heavy price!
God has promised us those who seek to cut Israel in half, even if the whole world is gathered against the nation of Israel, will be paid back for making that mistake! Are there any Christian politicians in Washington, either on Capitol Hill or at the White House, who have any understanding of Bible prophecy whatsoever? I am sincerely beginning to wonder!
Zechariah 12:2-3: Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah [and] against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
The peacemongers are back and the news isn't good - for Israel or the United States.
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