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As a parent, it will be hard to resist such technology when your kids are hungry and you cant buy food without this "mark". I just hope by the time its 100% in place, God has come back for his people.
Dont know how the rest of you feel but its scary and exciting at the same time.
Brad
Well said, Brad.
This is why we need to be so full on God's Word. Scripture says faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. The more of the Word we get in us, the more faith we receive. The more faith we receive, the more we are filled by the Holy Spirit who is able to strengthen us.
Matthew 16:25-26
25“For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.
26“For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?
Colossians 1:9-12
9For this reason also, since the day we heard of it, we have not ceased to pray for you and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding,
10so that you will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God;
11strengthened with all power, according to His glorious might, for the attaining of all steadfastness and patience; joyously
12giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in Light.
1Peter 4:12-17
12Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal among you, which comes upon you for your testing, as though some strange thing were happening to you;
13but to the degree that you share the sufferings of Christ, keep on rejoicing, so that also at the revelation of His glory you may rejoice with exultation.
14If you are reviled for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you.
15Make sure that none of you suffers as a murderer, or thief, or evildoer, or a troublesome meddler;
16but if anyone suffers as a Christian, he is not to be ashamed, but is to glorify God in this name.
17For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
Romans 8:31
31What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
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You know its a wonderful feeling to know you are saved and at the same time can make you sad thinking about the lost. It just makes me want to cry thinking back less than 2 yrs ago, how lost I was also. How can people see so many things coming to pass and be told the Bible talks about these things and yet they still remain lost? But then again, I didnt listen either. I m just glad God didnt give up on me and welcomed me back with open arms.
As a parent, it will be hard to resist such technology when your kids are hungry and you cant buy food without this "mark". I just hope by the time its 100% in place, God has come back for his people.
Dont know how the rest of you feel but its scary and exciting at the same time.
Brad
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"Gabriel, please take your place by the door and get ready to blow the trumpet."
Gabriel? I figured it will be the archangel Michael who will blow the trumpet signaling the Lord's return...
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
Daniel 12:1-2
1“Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued.
2“Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
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"Gabriel, please take your place by the door and get ready to blow the trumpet." "Father, I am ready to go and get Your children, and My Bride. I have long for this day, I know that she is not spotless, but she will be when she enters the door to Your Heavenly Home. Father, Thank You, for I have waited many years to come back for the one I left behind, My bride, she will have no more tears for I shall wipe away all tears from her eyes." Jesus walking to the door and toward Gabriel, He places a soft hand on Gabriel's shoulder and smiles, and nods. The door is open and Gabriel puts the trumpet to his lips, the sound is deafing, the angel shouts and Jesus calls for His bride....
My heart is ready Jesus, please come quickly.
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We are so close to the Lord's return!
Check out the following article so you can see just how close we are!
Even so, come Lord Jesus!
I'm not sure what the mark will be or how it will be implemented. There is SO much technology out there that it could go a number of ways.
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I believe these things are happening so that when the real mark comes out people will not be so afraid to take it.
I agree Betty. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
I have been watching the temple, Syria (Damascus)and Iran. I believe one of these situations could set everything in motion for His return. The weather is also going nuts. It's amazing to see how much prophecy is coming true and SO fast.
One thing is for sure though, the technology is out there for the mark. How it will work is anyones guess. I'm just glad I don't have to stick around to find out.
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I believe these things are happening so that when the real mark comes out people will not be so afraid to take it. They will have these people have done this thing that is similar talk about how painless it is and what the benefits of doing so, are.
I pray the trumpet sounds soon! I am ready to go!
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It will indeed be a literal mark - the RFID while currently may not be what the technology becomes soon, it is very close.
There wasn't any symbolism in what John described. He was explaining as best he could what he saw.
I have posted this before but Trafields post, I believe, substantiates it -
I believe most everyone is familiar with the now advanced, yet ever so subtle technology that is being used today to keep your kids located (In Europe particularly), identify felons and convicts, travelers, RFID for numerous patient health care reasons, and so on. It exists today, is being used now, and is being widely accepted as the right thing to do.
Presented as a need which outweighs concerns, it is very smoothly being integrated into our society, and people are buying into it rapidly for its ease of use, and much more.
Consider this first - John told us it would take wisdom -
Revelation 13 -
16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.
This cannot be "Spiritual" or "Symbolic" because it denotes a literal mark used for buying and selling and gives a literal physical location on/in the human body - (More on this in a moment)
The RFID and similar technology microchip is about the size of a grain of rice, or in some cases round and about the size of a small ibuprofen pill, only flat and thin.
Research proved that the only effective area to implant it are in the forehead or hand.
While they have used under the arm, and a few other places, the "IDEAL" locations are exactly as John described.
People have always wondered and attempted to "calculate" the names, causing disputes in regarding what it meant and how to determine the meaning of "666" and the "mark of the beast".
For instance - The Word "Computer" equates to 666.
God brought to life The Revelation of St. John the Divine for a reason - To help us prepare for what lies ahead. To give insight and understanding without fear, so we as "His Chosen" would not "Take The Mark" when the time came.
God knew everything before it happened and has already planned our path through the soon to come Great Tribulation.
He has already determined the final outcome – WE WIN!! – through Jesus Christ - AMEN!!
During the time of the "Mark of the Beast", God will raise his church (at the rapture, the Catching Away, the Translating of the Restrainer) and pour out his wrath upon the rest of the world.
Over the last two or three decades there has been extensive advancement in technology, just as Daniel said there would be - Another fulfillment of prophecy never before seen as he described.
One in particular is that infamous "Mark of the Beast".
The original purpose of the RFID type chip was to restore mobility to people with severed nerves, locate and track peoples pets, but then it was discovered that it could be used to modify behaviour. This opened a whole new area of research and development.
Certain World Governments, development companies, and several other foundations quickly realized that there were much more important uses commercially and personally.
These more important uses begin with simple versions already being used world wide to keep track of pets and other animals, as well as children, convicts, certain types of medical patients, travelers, and more as I mentioned earlier.
InfoPet has been endorsed by the ASPCA and has been selected as the global standard for zoos and aquariums by the Captive Breeding Specialist Group of the IUCN. Hundreds of zoos worldwide, as well as government agencies in at least 21 countries are using the trovan system for animal identification purposes.
Bracelet tracks kids by satellite - Two United States companies have unveiled tracking bracelets that can locate a child within 60 seconds of a distress call being sent. Truly a "Wonder" to those who would want to protect from kidnapping.
The bracelets transmit a signal that is picked up by the Global Positioning System network of navigational satellites.
The devices are being sold by rival US companies.
It's most important applications they say are positive identification and control.
We can uniquely identify over 34 billion recipients and locate any one of them via satellite to within a few feet of their location.
Testing and development in humans is well advanced in numerous countries, and as Trafield has noted, ALREADY in use.
Several years ago Sweden tested the chip in 6,000 men, and the U.S. in 17,000 babies -neither found any reported side effects (Easing into the public, seemingly very helpful, useful and safe)
The chips usually contains a tiny lithium battery with charging circuits activated by skin temp changes.
Therefore, it must be placed in a position where temperature changes occur most rapidly.
More than 1.5 million dollars was spent finding out that the two places in the body that the temperature changes the most rapidly are in the forehead - Preferred, and the back of the hand.
Advanced versions of these chips contain the same information as the SmartCards.
They can store huge amounts of personal data like your photo, your identity, any criminal record and your purchasing history -(Most important for tracking Buying and Selling - They tell you they use this info for demographics for ordering, stocking, targeting a particular market for sales, etc)
It also has the ability to be used in the same way as any credit, debit or EFTPOS card, but with the added ability that it can be filled up with a cash value that can be used whenever you do shopping. Touted as the wave of the future and the best thing to come along.
Plans are in place to make acceptance of the chip natural, logical and beneficial to the general public as is already being done at am alarming rate.
A beast that wants to appear as harmless and desirable – in order to obtain the greatest degree of acceptance.
Right now it is still voluntary – just like credit cards – and a great proportion of the population will receive them very willingly – A simple "Upgrade" of the technology will quickly boost it's capabilities and is easily done, and already developed.
The benefits of using the "Voluntary" ID Chips -
Never fear losing your baby or any other relative again.
Never lose your money or credit card again.
No more credit card fraud – because nobody can steal your chip or even use your chip number (I wonder what the number of the AntiChrist's Chip will be) separately from your chip.
No need to carry money – just charge up your hand with a cash value that can be used in public transport and other places that don't have a phone link with banks - This is happening now in certain electronic maker corporate structures.
No need to carry a driver's license or passport because all the information can be contained in the chip.
It is rapidly becoming widespread and widely accepted.
We can expect to see alternate things like cash and credit cards slowly disappear until the chip becomes the only legal way to buy or sell (Sounds like Revelation to me)
Using cash, checks and credit cards will disappear - Banks will adjust their fees on these services to eliminate them for the "better" chip method -
People will not be able to use government services or receive government benefits without the chip to identify themselves.
People will not be able to get employment without the chip to identify themselves.
The governments will impose the highest tax rates to anyone not onboard with the ID chip.
You won't be able to get paid or use your $$$, bank or pay bills without the chip.
Hand / chip readers like the one Trafield mentioned will be everywhere, including the average home to allow internet buying and selling.
Passports are already using/doing it, and it is only a matter of time before driver's licenses will be completely replaced by the chip
International travel is already doing this and driving will eventually be limited to those who have the chip.
The ability to buy or sell ANYTHING – without the chip – will gradually diminish and eventually disappear altogether.
Laws are already in place, and others are on the way, in preparation for the chip.
Eventually, it will become law for everyone to have the chip.
Christians will refuse to accept it, creating a faster paced requirement and making it become law much faster.
The President of the United States already has the power to enforce the use of the chip - (Section 100 of the Emigration and Control Act of 1996.)
There are bills before the U.S. congress right now that will allow them to inject a microchip in your baby at the time of birth for identification purposes - They'll never need a paper SSN card.
The book of Revelation was written in Greek, so it is important to note that any interpretation will need to consider the Greek version of the text in order to get the clearest possible understanding.
As some have discussed already -
mark charagma
(khar'-ag-mah) A scratch or etching ie. a stamp (as a badge of servitude). It comes from charasso (which means to sharpen to a point.) {A microchip is an etching in a piece of silicon.}
name onoma
(on'-om-ah) A "name" (literally or figuratively) [authority, character] – eg. Having the authority of someone's name.
count psephizo
(psay-fid'-zo) To use pebbles in enumeration, ie. (in general) to compute or count. {Silicon chips are small pebbles of sand.)
man's anthropos
(anth'-ro-pos) Man-faced, ie. a human being – particularly a certain individual.
666 chi xi stigma
(khee xee stig'-ma) This can be interpreted as either a number (666) or as text:
"chi" means 600;
"xi" means 60.
"stigma" means 6, but also means a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership). It comes from stizo (to "stick", ie. prick).
In Context -
{16} He [the second beast] caused everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive an etching of servitude (a chip made with a sharp point) in their right hand, or in their foreheads; {17} so that no one could buy or sell unless they had the etching of servitude, or the authority of the beast, or the number of his authority. {18} Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast, for it is an individual's [identification] number. His number is incised with a pricking action.
"Etching" may refer to the incision into the skin, but more likely it refers to the chip itself, because that is exactly how microchips are made - by etching a piece of silicon with a sharp or pointed electron beam.
That some will be able to operate using "the authority of the beast" or with "the number of his authority" suggests that a select few, will have the authority to buy and sell etc without the chip being implanted in their hand or forehead.
If "the number of his authority" is interpreted as "the number of his name", then it could mean that you would be able to use your identification number manually (for phone or internet purchases) but this is inconsistent with the purpose of the chip.
In Rev 16:2 it says there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men who had the mark of the beast -
If the lithium in the chip escapes into the body, that's what'll happen!
Although there are numerous ways that the secular world has used the number 666 the interpretation of chi xi stigma as a number (666) is irrelevant.
The way to read it is, "Your identification number, incised or pricked into the skin."
Look at how closely the chip fits the description in Scripture. We are indeed very close to the time of the the Great Tribulation.
It's important to note that the Firstfruits resurrection and rapture is about 3½ years after the introduction of the mark (on a world-wide scale) – and is the reason for the great falling away of Christians in the last days – We are seeing it happen right now!!
The Bible says many Christians will give up their faith over the issue of whether or not to receive the mark - Again, another reason to believe it is tangible and not Spiritual.
They will do this because resisting will be too hard –
The Word of God says this
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receives the mark of his name - Rev 14:9-11
The time of the mark is here - We are better prepared because we trust and believe in God's Word -
The world will hate you for standing firm in your Christian faith. We must hold fast to the reward that God has for those who hold on to their faith and do not give in.
Christ IS coming to Rapture the Church Very Soon I believe!! AMEN!!
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I agree that this may be the start of the mark of the beast, but if it wasn't put in the forehead or the right hand, then it's not the mark.
But what about the fact that the forehead is symbolic of thought life and meditation and the right hand is symbolic of work and dedication? The mark of the beast may not be a visible or physical mark... it may simply be a mindset or willingness to serve the beast.
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We are so close to the Lord's return!
Check out the following article so you can see just how close we are!
Even so, come Lord Jesus!
Barcelona clubbers get chipped
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3697940.stm
BBC Science producer Simon Morton goes clubbing in Barcelona with a microchip implanted in his arm to pay for drinks.
Having the chip inserted was a breeze
Imagine having a glass capsule measuring 1.3mm by 1mm, about the size of a large grain of rice injected under your skin.
Implanting microchips that emit a Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) into animals has been common practice in many countries around the world, with some looking to make it a legal requirement for domestic pet owners.
The idea of having my very own microchip implanted in my body appealed. I have always been an early adopter, so why not.
Last week I headed for the bright lights of the Catalan city of Barcelona to enter the exclusive VIP Baja Beach Club.
The night club offers its VIP clients the opportunity to have a syringe-injected microchip implanted in their upper arms that not only gives them special access to VIP lounges, but also acts as a debit account from which they can pay for drinks.
This sort of thing is handy for a beach club where bikinis and board shorts are the uniform and carrying a wallet or purse is really not practical.
Thumping heart
I met the owner of the club, Conrad Chase, who had come up with the idea when trying to develop the ultimate in membership cards and was the first person implanted with the capsule, made by VeriChip Corporation.
With a waiver in his hand Conrad asked me to sign my life away, confirming that if I wanted the chip removed it was my responsibility.
Four aspiring VIP members sat quietly sipping their beverages as the nurse Laia began preparing the surgical materials.
Like a scene from a sci-fi movie, latex gloves and syringes were laid out on the table as the DJ played loud dance tunes that made my heart thump, or was it just fear?
Questions were going through my mind. Would it hurt? What are the risks? What if I want to get it out?
I ordered another drink.
Comfortably numb
Laia started by disinfecting my upper arm and then administered a local anaesthetic to numb the area where the chip would be implanted.
With the large needle in her hand, she tested the zone which made me flinch and led to another dose of the anaesthetic.
The chip is contained in a tiny glass capsule
With a numb arm, Laia held up the rather large needle containing the microchip and inserted it beneath the layer of skin and fat on my arm.
She pressed the injector and it was in - my very own 10 digit number safely located in my body.
The chip is made of glass and is inert so there is no risk of it reacting with my body.
It sits dormant under the skin sending out a very low range radio frequency so it will not set off airport security systems.
The chip responds to a signal when a scanner is held near it and supplies its own unique ID number.
The number can then be linked to a database that is linked to other data, at the Baja beach club it make charges to a customers account.
If I want to leave the club then I can have it surgically removed - a pretty simple procedure similar to having it put in.
Now, the question of did it hurt. Having the chip inserted was a breeze, no real pain to report of.
The real pain was the sore head the following day after a night on an open bar tab.
Revelation 13:16-17
16And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark in their right hand or in their forehead,
17and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.
Revelation 14:9-14
9Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark in his forehead or in his hand,
10he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11“And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
12Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
13And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!’ ” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them.”
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