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Niedziejkore
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Anything that glorifies, exemplifies, or otherwise serves to re emphasize anyone like this should not be viewed nor should it be presented as art.
On the contrary, the movie is art. And while i am no art authority (and i'm positive you're not either) I think we can agree that the Narrative is an artform. A story(literature), no matter how repugnant, is in fact art. You can't say that some of the more disturbing works of edgar allen poe is not indeed art.
Second, in any movie, there is visual art. Movies aren't just put together in a matter of days. And they don't just bring a camera to random spots and start filming. There are weeks of planning that goes into evrey scene... most directors pay strict attention to detail placing props around the set. There is also attention paid to rhythmic cuts, spatial cuts, graphic cuts, etc. The scenes have to be edited and put in a logical order in order for the narrative to even work. You can see why making a movie is one of the most technical artforms.
Now... i'm not defending the movie in any way. I'm not going to see it, and I could care less wether or not it does well at the box office.
What I am defending here is the definition of art. You can not say something is not art because you don't like it or you don't agree with it. Art can be lewd, beautiful, divine, ugly, savage, joyous, boring, art can be disturbing... basically ANY emotion can be played out in art. I consider this movie to be artwork; it has all the right ingredients to be art, so why should it not just because i don't agree with the message?
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Anything that glorifies, exemplifies, or otherwise serves to re emphasize anyone like this should not be viewed nor should it be presented as art.
We could do the Life and Times of Hitler too, but it would not promote good will or leave anyone with a sense of "Gee, maybe he wasn't such a bad guy after all" unless it was done in a way that presented him a light other than the truth.
This movie, and the controversy over it is exactly that.
Using someone who, like Hitler, did extreme amounts of damage to the moral fiber of humans and human nature, and make him appear to be a "Gee I guess he wasn't so bad" after all type of guy. Worse still is the smoothing over of the permanent emotional damage he did to young minds, and serving to reiterate that it is not only "Ok", but natural...
That is not art and should not be even remotely considered as such.
I see it as another prerequisite to the coming of the rise to power of the AntiChrist, the Rapture, and the Second coming of our Lord.
You see, the AntiChrist can use this, like The Beast Movie coming out, to his advantage.
He can use this sexually immoral targeted info to renew a spirit of freedom in this area, a perfect catalyst for building faith in his new AntiChrist Bible and the necessary for promotion and acceptance of the "New Messiah" promiscuity that will dominate this world even more than it does today.
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Even in cases where the content of a program is clearly fictional, a good director can and does manipulate his audience in such a way that their emotions and intellect are strongly influenced by the program's message, ostensive or subliminal, for long periods of time after the original exposure.
Theres nothing wrong with that because, in essence, that is precisely the point of narrative. You're supposed to experience a movie and keep a part of it with you. Only bad narrative would leave a person with nothing. It's up to us to say, "oh, that movie made me feel sad" or "what a funny movie" or even "i really felt uncomfortable watching that"
A central role of art is to challenge conventional wisdom. narratives, from Dickens to the author of this movie, asks us to confront- and for a time to relate to- those whom we do not usually wish to meet.
I understand your concern, but have you ever heard anyone say, "They should ban this book/movie because I might read it/see it and it might change my views somehow?"
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Originally posted by Niedziejkore:
Remember, it is only a movie. 98% of all movies made are wholly inaccurate anyway because of the nature in which they are made, the marketing that goes into it, and manipulation of "real life" through an author's narrative.
I agree with you, but unfortunately too many people do not see things from "our" perspective. The effects on the public of various media events tend to define their understanding of "real life". Even in cases where the content of a program is clearly fictional, a good director can and does manipulate his audience in such a way that their emotions and intellect are strongly influenced by the program's message, ostensive or subliminal, for long periods of time after the original exposure. Often, in fact, people will measure the quality of a movie by the extent to which it "really got to me". If they only knew!
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Chances are, they'll portray the creep to be a good guy. For once, I have to agree with Niedziejkore.
...did Hell just cool off by a couple of degrees?
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Well, there is a solution: Don't pay money to see this movie.
Movies are pretty democratic. but in these elections, we vote with our dollars... they're called dollar votes.
Remember, it is only a movie. 98% of all movies made are wholly inaccurate anyway because of the nature in which they are made, the marketing that goes into it, and manipulation of "real life" through an author's narrative.
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Being a Star Wars Fan I am very disappointed in Mr. Neeson -
2 Timothy 3
Godlessness in the Last Days
1But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God-- 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.
6They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. 8Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth--men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.
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I'm not sure if I want to cry or lose my lunch. How can *anyone* mistake hysterical crying, convultions, and attacking the adults responsible as a GOOD thing? And then wonder why kids are disturbed at that sort of thing!
And then there's "There'd be no Playboy or Dr. Ruth without Kinsey's liberating effects". DUH! Who WANTS Playboy or Dr. Ruth?! No brainer!
Some people disgust me.
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