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Ripp
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You know, the crazy thing for me is that I actually owned stock in a company that makes these chips and also a stem cell research company before I got saved. I have had a LOT of things like that happen to me in my life. As I look back, I wonder what I was thinking...
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Any RFID would simply not work too long as radio frequencies are too easy to distort or disrupt. There are always simple countermeasures.
While this was true at one time, modern detection far surpasses any ability to counter - They can be disrupted for a short time, but consider a database reconciliation method - The same technology we use today to match IP address to emailer, ISP address to supplier, and home PC IP address to ISP.
In other words, YOU are easily tracked now with your computer. Anything over IP has an infinite number of possiblities. It currently takes Google approx 3 to 5 days to index the entire Internet database of almost one billion websites. EACH site has a unique ID -
"Countering" "MIGHT" be temporarily useful, but once reconciled, would show up as missing and become a target - For instance, Bob's # is w.b1184.CF.445.8 and he shows indexed 3 days ago, triangulated to sector 3 of grid 19 (Electric companies "Grid" cities, then "Sector" them, like locations on your hard drive in your PC -
When they index again he shows up as missing off the chart - The flag goes UP, his picture is plastered all over every cop shop around, and the hunt is on...'
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And then there are a limited number of frequencies available, so how could they be used to track all people?
Again - Used to be true, not so anymore...Digital technology is QUITE advanced, and each person does not have "their own" frequency. Think about it - Using that thought process, how could each person have a cell phone?
The usable portion of the radio spectrum is huge ranging from approximately 6 KHz to 300 GHz.
GHz means Billions so this would read
6000 to 300,000,000,000 - There is not that many people on the planet even if each person DID have to have their own frequency.
Currently radio frequencies are already reserved for specific uses.
Currently bandwidth is scarce and valuable, the frequencies allocated for unlicensed networking are called junk frequencies.
The 2.4- GHz band, for example, is subject to interference from microwave ovens, and the signals have difficulty penetrating trees, heavy snow, or anything at all that contains water. (the water absorbs a portion of the signal and is heated, just as in a microwave oven.)
The 900-mHz (900,000,000) band is often plagued by interference from medical and scientific equipment, cordless phones, wireless stereo speakers, and similar devices.
Unlicensed users of the band are considered to be secondary users. They take a back seat to licensed, or primary, users, who can transmit stronger signals and are subject to fewer restrictions. Easily controlled, tracked, and CUT OFF. Basically uplinks are easily routed, maintained, allowed, AND disallowed by communications companies.
A high-power primary user such as a TV station or a vehicle location system can render an unlicensed frequency band useless to anyone else in the vicinity, including wireless LANS (local area computer networks / home networks / small offices using wireless technology).
Today, unlicensed users have no recourse - even if they've already spent tens of thousands of dollars on wireless networking equipment. The Antichrist government could easily shut ANY of this down.
The requirements imposed by the regulations on unlicensed wireless networking equipment are relatively simple, but could easily be changed or outlawed for use by the "HUMAN TRACKING DEVICES".
The best "Anti Counter Measure Defense" is the idea of spread-spectrum radio transmission, which was proposed by the military who was seeking ways to prevent radio signals from being monitored or blocked by hostile parties.
The two inventors came up with the notion of changing the frequency of a transmission at regular intervals faster than the enemy could retune.
A special receiver that knew the frequency-hopping pattern could follow it and pick up the entire transmission. The hopping patterns were controlled by the punched holes in piano rolls became known as frequency-hopping spread spectrum (FHSS).
As digital logic became popular, another kind of spread spectrum was developed called direct-sequence spread spectrum (DSSS).
In this method of transmission, the signal does not hop from one frequency to another but is passed through a spreading function and distributed over the entire band at once. DSSS usually provides slightly higher data rates and shorter delays than FHSS, because the transmitter and receiver don't have to spend time retuning.
You could try to to "Counter" but would be to no avail.
Both FHSS and DSSS are resistant to interference from conventional radio transmitters. Because the signal doesn't stay in one place on the band, FHSS can elude a jammer – a transmitter designed to block radio transmissions on a given frequency
DSSS avoids interference by configuring the spreading function in the receiver to concentrate the desired signal but spread out and dilutes any interfering signal. Spread-spectrum radio is good at dodging interference from conventional sources.
Directional antennas can sometimes help a node focus on the system with which it must communicate and ignore interference from others. However, as a general rule, when two transmitters compete for the same bandwidth, the one that expends more energy per bit of data wins the battle. With money, control of ALL communication satellites, etc. of course, HE WOULD win ANY battles that were global over what is transmitted.
Compounding this problem is another loop-hole in the FCC regulations. The regulations limit the strength of the signal that each transmitter can emit but don’t limit the total number of transmitters any one user can operate, yet. When HE controls the FCC, the argument, the countering, the distributive control, is over.
A long answer to the question, but control of implanted devices, manipulation, interpretation, indexing, individualization, and triangulation (Locating within a few feet) are technologically VERY easy and coming soon to a clinic near you!!
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Any RFID would simply not work too long as radio frequencies are too easy to distort or disrupt. There are always simple countermeasures.
And then there are a limited number of frequencies available, so how could they be used to track all people?
With the portability of high explosives, our society will have to find some means to protect itself and that is becoming more obvious as time goes bye. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Originally posted by MentorsRiddle:
Well he can be as bold as he wants to but it is US who will get the last laugh. He may torture kill mame all for his name, but we will reside with the Lord forever and ever.
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Well he can be as bold as he wants to but it is US who will get the last laugh. He may torture kill mame all for his name, but we will reside with the Lord forever and ever.
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Oh yes! How bold are the decrees of a man who has the backing of the entire world (give or take a few hundred million)!
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Aaron, that reminds me of a part in Disney's Three Musketeers, and it would be so fitting...
King of France : "I've heard some terrible rumors about you..."
Cardinal : "Oh let me think, there's so many to choose from. Is it the one about my alliegance to the Duke of Buckingham? While the English attack without, I attack within, undermine the throne, depose you, and become King of France?"
KOF : "Yes, it does seem farfetched..."
Card. : "But why stop at that? I have heard far worse, that I make deals with the devil, terrorize the peasants, seduce the queen in her own bedroom, teach pigs to fly and cows to dance. If there are any doubts about my loyalty, they will be put to rest at your birthday celebration."
I mean, the antichrist, just like the cardinal in the Three Musketeers, will probably confidently throw up the truth and call it nothing more than a far-fetched lie... "Oooohhh... the Christians think -I'm- the antichrist... oooohhh I'm so scared... *looking at the masses of people* would the antichrist feed the hungry, heal the dying, offer peace to warring nations? Bring together the religions into one of peace? Streamline trade between the nations? Eliminate hateful nationalism and dangerous national pride? I think not! *cheers upon cheers from massive crowd*"
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However if it were supposed to be in the Hand or the Head I would say forget you and never accept it no matter what.
The enemy, bold, full of pride and hate, will mock God to the ends of the earth. I wouldn't be surprised if he quoted the "head or the hand" scripture before declaring "and this is exactly where I will place my mark!" And the multitudes will cheer and say, "Not even God can frighten the beast!"
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That's where I would draw the line...I would not get any kind of chip whatsoever...That's too close for comfort if you ask me...
Actually there was a topic about national I.D. cards and I won't even do that...It's just getting too close...
The Bible tells us that those that do not have the mark will not be able to buy or sell...
So, it would seem dangerous to get any type of device that would be required to buy or sell reguardless of its location...
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I know I posted this once already in a similar discussion, but I wanted to reiterate it here because as you can see, even here there is the question of, why is this bad?
I believe it is very bad, and as David posted here, it is ON THE WAY Quickly!
I would hope that most everyone is familiar with the now advanced, yet ever so subtle technology that is being used today to keep your kids located (In Europe particularly), identify felons and convicts, travelers, RFID for numerous patient health care reasons, and so on. It exists today, is being used now, and is being widely accepted as the right thing to do.
Presented as a need which outweighs concerns, it isvery smoothly being integrated into our society, and people are buying into it rapidly for its ease of use, and much more.
Consider this first - John told us it would take wisdom -
Revelation 13 -
16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.
This cannot be "Spiritual" because it denotes a literal mark used for buying and selling (More on this in a moment)
The RFID and similar technology microchip is about the size of a grain of rice, or in some cases round and about the size of a small ibuprofen pill, only flat and thin.
Research proved that the only effective area to implant it are in the forehead or hand.
While they have used under the arm, and a few other places, the "IDEAL" locations are exactly as John described.
People have always wondered and attempted to "calculate" the names, causing disputes in regarding what it meant and how to determine the meaning of "666" and the "mark of the beast".
God brought to life The Revelation of St. John the Divine for a reason - To help us prepare for what lies ahead. To give insight and understanding without fear, so we as "His Chosen" would not "Take The Mark" when the time came.
God knew everything before it happened and has already planned our path through the soon to come Great Tribulation.
He has already determined the final outcome – WE WIN!! – through Jesus Christ - AMEN!!
During the time of the "Mark of the Beast", God will raise his church (at the rapture, the Catching Away, the Translating of the Restrainer) and pour out his wrath upon the rest of the world.
Over the last two or three decades there has been extensive advancement in technology, just as Daniel said there would be - Another fulfillment of prophecy never before seen as he described.
One in particular is that infamous "Mark of the Beast".
The original purpose of the RFID type chip was to restore mobility to people with severed nerves, then it was discovered that it could be used to modify behaviour. This opened a whole new area of research and development.
Certain World Governments, development companies, and several other foundations quickly realized that there were much more important uses commercially and personally.
These more important uses begin with simple versions already being used world wide to keep track of pets and other animals, as well as children, convicts, certain types of medical patients, travelers, and more as I mentioned earlier.
InfoPet has been endorsed by the ASPCA and has been selected as the global standard for zoos and aquariums by the Captive Breeding Specialist Group of the IUCN. Hundreds of zoos worldwide, as well as government agencies in at least 21 countries are using the trovan system for animal identification purposes.
Bracelet tracks kids by satellite - Two United States companies have unveiled tracking bracelets that can locate a child within 60 seconds of a distress call being sent.
The bracelets transmit a signal that is picked up by the Global Positioning System network of navigational satellites.
The devices are being sold by rival US companies.
It's most important applications they say are positive identification and control.
We can uniquely identify over 3-4 billion recipients and locate any one of them via satellite to within a few feet of their location.
Testing and development in humans is well advanced in numerous countries.
Several years ago Sweden tested the chip in 6,000 men, and the U.S. in 17,000 babies -neither found any reported side effects (Easing into the public, seemingly very helpful, useful and safe)
The chips usually contains a tiny lithium battery with charging circuits activated by skin temp changes.
Therefore, it must be placed in a position where temperature changes occur most rapidly.
More than 1.5 million dollars was spent finding out that the two places in the body that the temperature changes the most rapidly are in the forehead - Preferred, and the back of the hand.
Advanced versions of these chips contain the same information as the SmartCards.
They can store huge amounts of personal data like your photo, your identity, any criminal record and your purchasing history -(Most important for tracking Buying and Selling)
It also has the ability to be used in the same way as any credit, debit or EFTPOS card, but with the added ability that it can be filled up with a cash value that can be used whenever you do shopping. Touted as the wave of the future and the best thing to come along.
Plans are in place to make acceptance of the chip natural, logical and beneficial to the general public as is already being done at am alarming rate.
A beast that wants to appear as harmless and desirable – in order to obtain the greatest degree of acceptance.
Right now it is still voluntary – just like credit cards – and a great proportion of the population will receive them very willingly –
The benefits of using the "Voluntary" ID Chips -
Never fear losing your baby or any other relative again.
Never lose your money or credit card again.
No more credit card fraud – because nobody can steal your chip or even use your chip number (I wonder what the number of the AntiChrist's Chip will be) separately from your chip.
No need to carry money – just charge up your hand with a cash value that can be used in public transport and other places that don't have a phone link with banks - This is happening now in certain electronic maker corporate structures.
No need to carry a driver's license or passport because all the information can be contained in the chip.
It is rapidly becoming widespread and accepted.
We can expect to see alternate things like cash and credit cards slowly disappear until the chip becomes the only legal way to buy or sell (Sounds like Revelation to me)
Using cash, checks and credit cards will disappear - Banks will adjust their fees on these services to eliminate them for the "better" chip method -
People will not be able to use government services or receive government benefits without the chip to identify themselves.
People will not be able to get employment without the chip to identify themselves.
The governments will impose the highest tax rates to anyone not onboard with the ID chip.
You won't be able to get paid or use your $$$, bank or pay bills without the chip.
Hand readers will be everywhere, including the average home to allow internet buying and selling.
Passports are already doing it, and it is only a matter of time before driver's licenses will be completely replaced by the chip
International travel is already doing this and driving will eventually be limited to those who have the chip.
The ability to buy or sell ANYTHING – without the chip – will gradually diminish and eventually disappear altogether.
Laws are already in place, and others are on the way, in preparation for the chip.
Eventually, it will become law for everyone to have the chip.
Christians will refuse to accept it, creating a faster paced requirement and making it become law much faster.
The President of the United States already has the power to enforce the use of the chip - (Section 100 of the Emigration and Control Act of 1996.)
There are bills before the U.S. congress right now that will allow them to inject a microchip in your baby at the time of birth for identification purposes.
The book of Revelation was written in Greek, so it is important to note that any interpretation will need to consider the Greek version of the text in order to get the clearest possible understanding.
As some have discussed already -
mark charagma
(khar'-ag-mah) A scratch or etching ie. a stamp (as a badge of servitude). It comes from charasso (which means to sharpen to a point) Microchips are etching into a piece of silicon.
name onoma
(on'-om-ah) A name (literally or figuratively) [authority, character] – Having the authority of someone's name.
count psephizo
(psay-fid'-zo) To use pebbles in enumeration, ie. (in general) to compute or count. {Silicon chips are small pebbles of sand.)
man's anthropos
(anth'-ro-pos) Man-faced, - a human being – particularly a certain individual
666 chi xi stigma
(khee xee stig'-ma) This can be interpreted as either a number (666) or as text:
"chi" means 600;
"xi" means 60.
"stigma" means 6, but also means a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership). It comes from stizo (to "stick", ie. prick).
Again - In Context -
{16} He [the second beast] caused everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive an etching of servitude (a chip made with a sharp point) in their right hand, or in their foreheads; {17} so that no one could buy or sell unless they had the etching of servitude, or the authority of the beast, or the number of his authority. {18} Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast, for it is an individual's [identification] number. His number is incised with a pricking action.
"Etching" may refer to the incision into the skin, but more likely it refers to the chip itself, because that is exactly how microchips are made - by etching a piece of silicon with a sharp or pointed electron beam.
That some will be able to operate using "the authority of the beast" or with "the number of his authority" suggests that a select few, will have the authority to buy and sell etc without the chip being implanted in their hand or forehead.
If "the number of his authority" is interpreted as "the number of his name", then it could mean that you would be able to use your identification number manually (for phone or internet purchases) but this is inconsistent with the purpose of the chip.
In Rev 16:2 it says there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men who had the mark of the beast -
If the lithium in the chip escapes into the body, that's what'll happen!
Although there are numerous ways that the secular world has used the number 666 the interpretation of chi xi stigma as a number (666) is irrelevant.
The way to read it is, "Your identification number, incised or pricked into the skin."
Look at how closely the chip fits the description in Scripture. We are indeed very close to the time of the the Great Tribulation.
It's important to note that the Firstfruits resurrection and rapture is about 3½ years after the introduction of the mark (on a world-wide scale) – and is the reason for the great falling away of Christians in the last days – We are seeing it happen right now!!
The Bible says many Christians will give up their faith over the issue of whether or not to receive the mark - Again, another reason to believe it is tangible and not Spiritual.
They will do this because resisting will be too hard –
The Word of God says this
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receives the mark of his name - Rev 14:9-11
The time of the mark is here - We are better prepared because we trust and believe in God's Word -
The world will hate you for standing firm in your Christian faith. We must hold fast to the reward that God has for those who hold on to their faith and do not give in.
Christ IS coming to Rapture the Church Very Soon I believe!! AMEN!!
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Again I say if it were placed in any of these 2 locations it would make me afraid to get it. But if it was only going to be in the arm I wouldn't have a problem with it if it was made mandatory.
However if it were supposed to be in the Hand or the Head I would say forget you and never accept it no matter what.
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There's been a lot of talk about using the head and the hand. In fact, when the first person had gotten a chip implanted, I had seen something on PBS about this guy, and over and over, the developers and promoters were mentioning that the ideal places were on the forehead and the back of the hand... and there was not a hint of Christian influence detectable on the show, not to denounce or praise it. ...it was something about how it'd be easy to generate power for the chips in those two spots better than the rest of the body, or something like that, how it'd primarily be on the right hand, but on the head for those who are without hands. Because it was still in the "sorta-experimental" stage (and my guess, it's size would create an awkward bump in the hand or forehead), it was placed into the arm.
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Yes I agree with what you are saying but here is my thing:
The Chips that they are planning on useing will not go in the Hand nor will they go in the head but they will go in the fatty tissue under the arm near the arm-pit. This is not the location where the bible talks of the mark of the beast. the Mark of the beast will be either in the hand or forehead.
Now if the chips were to be implanted in one of these two locations then I could see being afraid.
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This came to me when I was a senior in high-school (more than 10 years ago if you are wondering ![[Wink]](wink.gif) ) At the time muslims were scarcely in the news save for the frequent bombings in Israel. I wrote down my thought about 5 years ago and recently found it again. It's a little rough and simplistic but you'll get the point.
Instead of issuing national I.D. cards that can be forged or stolen we need something more failsafe. The government should make it a law that everyone receives a computer chip under his or her skin. This chip could be tracked via satellite anywhere in the world.
No one would be able to buy or sell anything unless they received the chip. Just think of the possibilities:
1. No more murder. Since the murderer could be located with ease he or she could be apprehended in due time. Of course, those who do not accept the chip would be able to be tracked and, thus, would be the most dangerous of people. They would have to be dealt with, harshly.
2. No more theft. The chip would record all the products that are taken from a store via computer and deduct the price of the products from the “shoppers” account. Hiding that cd under your coat? No matter, you’ll get charged for it anyway! Of course, those who do not accept the chip will easily be able to steal all your precious merchandice. They will have to be dealt with, harshly.
3. No more money to lose or steal. Don’t worry about getting mugged or robbed, there’s nothing to take. And you can’t lose your skin, right? If you die, the sensor on the chip would detect your death and all your assets would be frozen. What heartless mother or father would leave probate delay this transfer to the children? Come'on, do it for the children.
4. Better medical response. Of course the chip would monitor your health at all times. If an irregular heartbeat is detected steps could be taken in seconds. And, oh yah, don’t even think about taking drugs! That will be detected too and the authorities would be notified. All those who do not accept the chip will be the dangerous druggies and miscreants. They would have to be dealt with, harshly.
5. No more terrorism. And, oh yeah, who were you talking to last Thursday? Oh, never mind, we’ll just check our satellite info to see who it was. Wait a sec- it was some guy without a chip. Probably a thief or murderer. We will have to deal with you now, harshly.
See, a chip under the skin would finally provide the safe earth we all long for. Of course, if you did not accept the mark, err, chip, then you will not be part of our peace loving society. And you will have to be dealt with. Harshly.
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I see the connection. During the tribulation, they will be able to access anything that is bought by people that don't have the mark. SO, even if a person is able to find a person with the mark that takes pity on them and buys them food, the anit-christ can track them down by checking where the food products are at.
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How does this relate to the End Times?
This is talkign about Radio Frequency Identification Tags that they are placeing on foods so they can be sold and to ensure that no theft is going on. It is the same thing as a bar code except no scanning of paper is done, Radio waves are snatched out of the air.
I don't see the connection please help me to understand what you are concerned about.
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Inching Toward The RFID Revolution
Somewhere in Neuss-Norf, Germany, a customer is approaching NCR`s new FastLane self-checkout machine. Using radio-frequency IDs, or smart tags, on every item, the customer`s groceries are being scanned on-the-spot and tallied up -- no need to take them out of the cart. At the same time, the RFID tags are being automatically disabled so security sensors will know the customer isn`t shoplifting...
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