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Topic: Our proof that God deals dispensationally and severally: jews, nations, christians
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KPMG
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The proof that God is dealing dispensationally is the point, as well as severally, jews, nations, Christians.
I am not sure why these 144,000 should be Jews that preach the Word because even then they don't believe in Christ, not until his actually stepping down onto earth in His appearance will they finally believe. What the 144,000 seals Jews means to me is, they will be shown a place of hiding in the wilderness during the Great Trib. and the mounts will seal up not giving the Antichrist access to them so the Antichrist must direct his efforts to attacking Christians instead.
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rapturewatcher
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Maybe everyone here already knows this but the 144,000 of Revelation are evangelical Jews who God seals (for protection) and commissions to evangelize the world during the Tribulation Period.
Israel failed to give the gospel to everyone so they make up for it during the trib. Hal Lindsey has speculated that the Lord Himself may appear to them like He did with the Apostle Paul.Jews. 12000 from each of the 12 tribes.
Revelation 7
4And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:
5of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;[1]
of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
6of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
7of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
8of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.
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Daniel 12:4
"But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase."
"About the Times of the End, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the prophecies, and insist upon their literal interpretation, in the midst of much clamor and opposition."
--Sir Isaac Newton--
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rapturewatcher
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Take us a step futher KPMG and tell us what you are talking about.
Anyone else have a bible that says what KPMG has lead all us to believe ![[1zhelp]](graemlins/1zhelp.gif) that is what his bible says about the 144,000?
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KPMG
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The 144,000 are two seperate groups. The 144,000 literally, and a class of people, are the remnant of the Jews in Revelation, chapter 7, God restoring to His old covenant promises to the children of Israel. The 144,000 in Revelation, chapter 14, also literal, and a class of people, are those representatives of the overcomers in Christ and raptured alive at 1st rapture while the rest of the body of Christ is raptured and or resurrected at 7th trumpet. There may be more than 144,000 raptured at 1st rapture of the man-child, or not, but we do know the 144,000 are raptured alive (the first group like an Enoch raptured alive, meaning were ready to be received to heaven to the throne) and never needed to go down to paradise Hades to await resurrection like those overcomers in Revelation 6.11 and non-overcomers also in paradise hades, the good side of hades. All Christians are overcomers, though not all Christians overcome here on earth before Christ's return. That is why there is an outer darkness for Christians to yet discipline them out of the rewards of the millennial reign of Christ, the time of recompense and rewards for His overcomers (as priests and kings, though children of Israel reign also and receive glory, finally, they reign as a center of nations, but not as priests, nor as kings, as neither do other nations), whom He truly can walk with, what He has longed for and to prepare the way for the coming eternity future in the cube in the new heaven and new earth. Amen.
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