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Author Topic: To Rebuild the Temple! thegoldenreport Trafield unregistered posted                 J23, thanks for the kind words. Concerning George Papandreou, you can click on the link I provided above to learn more about him. I began watching him mostly because of Daniel 8:1-27 and Daniel 11:2 which I feel is stating that the antichrist will come from the kingdom of Greece. He has been involved in the MEPP (Middle East Peace Process) and is known for his charisma and as a man of peace. His father, Andreas Papandreou was also a socialist leader of Greece for a time. He is not big on the scene yet, but I feel is worth watching. IP: Logged |  J23 Advanced Member Member # 634 posted                          Thank You Kingdo for your response, i'm going to read through it and then get back to you with my thoughts. Adopted Daughter, I think Trafield answered your question better than i could have, so i hope you can accept his knowledge with an open mind. And, Trafield, thank you for helping me out with an answer, i just wanted to ask you about what's his name, Praperos - cant remember it; i wanted to ask you if there was any particular reason why this man stood out to you that you calculated his name? - I like to know these things. Thank You. Peace & Righteousness, J23 Hannahgirl is right, God is very conscious about numbers, i've found that only a few notice this truth, so good on you Hannah. Posts: 199 | From: London, England | Registered: Nov 2002  |  IP: Logged |  Hannahgirl Advanced Member Member # 756 posted                       I think the NUMBERS are very, very interesting, since God is BIG on NUMBERS. THE TEMPLE: I'LL FLY AWAY !!! AMEN AND AMEN -------------------- God's Best Blessings to you all, Hannahgirl (His handmaid) "The power of life and death are in the TONGUE". Posts: 224 | From: The South | Registered: Dec 2002  |  IP: Logged |  Trafield unregistered posted                 There only needs to be movement from God's hand to take care of the Dome of the Rock. It will, however, happen with or without the Dome. Keep in mind that the Temple mount will be under a shared arrangement. I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, "Go and measure the temple of God and the alter, and count the worshipers there. But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months." Revelation 11:1-2 It appears the seven year treaty will entail a shared arrangement on the temple mount, perhaps without anything happening to the Dome of the Rock. Of course, this will only last 42 months because the antichrist will break his covenant after 42 months according to Daniel 9:27. IP: Logged |  njclary unregistered posted                 Numbers shmumbers, drives me nuts. But to the Temple---as I understand it, the New Temple is to be built where the old one stood, but I believe the 'Dome of the Rock stands there now, and there is no move to remove it at this time. IP: Logged |  Trafield unregistered posted                 Adopted Daughter, what J23 posted was not numerology, but gematria. I have studied this same gematria format as there was a web site devoted to it for a time, but it is no longer available on line. It was explained that God knew that English would be the most used language in the end-times, so it reasonable to think that English will be used to calculate the number of the beast. I am not saying I support this, but it is interesting that so many relevant words equal 666. It is not unusal that words equate to 666 using this system, since the letters in the format are all multiples of the number 6. However, like I said it is interesting that so many relevant words equal 666. It is also intersting that not too many names of those currently in power work out to 666. Howers there is one that I have been watching.... George A. Papandreou, Greek Foreign Minister. PAPANDREOU = 666 Here is his web site: http://www.papandreou.gr/papandreou/content/indexpage.aspx?language=0 Again, this is just a theory...But I am also using this as another tool to say cautiously informed. IP: Logged |  Adopted Daughter New Member Member # 414 posted                       Dear J23, I was interested in your numbers calculations. Why would the numbers apply to the english alphabet and not the orginal languages, greek, hebrew or aramaic? Why is the 6 times table chosen as the number scale. I do not have any personal knowledge of numerology, I am just curious. Adopted Daughter Posts: 4 | From: Pennsylvania | Registered: Sep 2002  |  IP: Logged |  Kindgo Advanced Member Member # 2 posted                       The prophecy of a future Jewish Temple in Jerusalem is part of the greater restoration promise made to national Israel. This promise, made at the close of the First Temple period Isa. 1:24-2:4;4:2-6; 11:1-12:6; 25-27; 32; 34-35;40-66 :Jer. 30-33; Ezek. 36-48; Amos 9:11-15; Joel 2:28-3:21; Micah 4-5; 7:11-20; Zeph. 3:9-20), again by the prophets who prophesied after the return from captivity Dan. 9-12; Hag. 2:5-9; Zech. 8-14; Mal. 3-4), and reaffirmed in the New Testament Acts 3:19-26; Rom. 11:1-32) contained inseparably linked elements of fulfillment: the return of Israel to the Land of Israel (in unbelief), the experience of the time of Jacob's trouble (Tribulation), the rebuilding of the Temple, the return of Messiah, the redemption of Israel, and the restoration of Israel's glory (Millennium). Biblical texts which support this promise likewise generally support the future rebuilding of the Temple. The future Temple is in view by the biblical writers throughout this period commencing with the seventieth week of Daniel's prophecy and moving through the Kingdom age. This is to be expected as the Temple is the symbol of both Israel's national and spiritual existence and this future program involves both national desecration (Tribulation) and spiritual restoration (Millennium), which historically was experienced by Israel in relation to her Temple (cf. desecration: 2 Kgs. 24:3-4; Jer. 7:1-8:3; Ezek. 8:6-18; Zeph. 1:9; Ezra 5:11-12; restoration: 2 Chron. 36:20-23/Ezra 1:1-4; 6:14, 22; Hag. 1:7-9 with 2:15-19; Zech. 1:15-16; Mal. 3:7-12). It is necessary to distinguish in the context of the Old Testament whether the future Tribulation or Millennial Temple is in view. The Tribulation Temple will be built by unbelieving Jews and desecrated by Antichrist (Dan. 9:27; 11:36-45). The Millennial Temple will be built by the Messiah (Zech. 6:12-13) and redeemed Jews, and as a particular sign of restoration, assisted by representatives from Gentile nations (Zech. 6:15; Hag. 2:7; cf. Isa. 60:10). It will be distinguished from the Tribulation Temple as the restoration Temple by a return of the Shekinah Glory of God (Ezek. 43:1-7;. Ezek. 10:4,18-19; 11:22-23) and by Gentile worship (Isa. 60:6; Zeph. 3:10; Zech. 2:11; 8:22; 14:16-19). These traits also distinguish the Millennial Temple from any previous historical Temple (the First Temple lacked Gentile worshippers; the Second Temple lacked the Shekinah). In addition, the literal dimensions and architectural and ritual descriptions of the Millennial Temple are distinctly unique. The primary text in the Old Testament which speaks directly about the Tribulation Temple is Daniel 9:27 12:11), although the Temple's presence is stated or indirectly implied in other Tribulation contexts Isa. 24:2, 23; Mal. 3:1-3). Specific texts which speak about the Millennial Temple are Isa. 2:2-4; Jer. 33:18; 60:7, 13; Ezek. 37:26-28; 40-48; Hag. 2:9; Zech. 6:12-13;14:20). In continuity with the Old Testament program expected for Israel's restoration, Jesus and the New Testament writers likewise present a rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem as part of their eschatological program. Basing his interpretation on Daniel's prophecy (Dan. 9:27), Jesus sets the Temple as the signal event dividing the Birthpangs of the Tribulation from the Great Tribulation (Matt. 24:15; Mk. 13:14). Paul also builds upon Daniel's prophecy (Dan. 9; 11) in his account of the descecration of the Tribulation Temple by Antichrist (2 Thess. 2:4). In like manner, John, who understands a coming Antichrist (1 Jn. 2:18), describes the desolation of the Temple courts by Antichrist's Gentile forces during the last half of the Tribulation period (Rev. 11:1-2). -------------------- God bless, Kindgo Inside the will of God there is no failure. Outside the will of God there is no success. Posts: 4320 | From: Sunny Florida | Registered: Jun 2002  |  IP: Logged |  J23 Advanced Member Member # 634 posted                          Is the building of this Temple completed now, or will this be the Temple that will be built in troubulous times? Or is it the Temple that Jesus referred to that there would not be left one stone standing upon another as a sign of the End Times and his return? Revelation chapter 11 says that Jerusalem is going to be trampled for 42 months by the Gentiles. I think the Gentiles will be trying to show God that they are angry by destroying His King's throne, but they'll repent when he comes to let out the Beasts. Kindgo, I just wanted to know your view on which part of the scripture you feel the building of this Temple corresponds to, please. Peace & Righteousness, J23 -------------------- "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom: and the knowledge of the Holy is Understanding." - Proverbs 9:10 "... Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute Judgement and Justice in the Earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that they shall no more say, The Lord lives, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; but, The Lord lives, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the North country, and from all countries where I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land ..." - Jeremiah 23 [Closeby : Rapture] "And you, Solomon my son, know you the God of your father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the Lord searches all hearts, and understands all the imaginations of the thoughts: if you seek him, he will be found of you; but if you forsake him, he will cast you off forever." - King David, Chronicles 28:9 THE 7 DAY THEORY 2 Posts: 199 | From: London, England | Registered: Nov 2002  |  IP: Logged |  Trafield unregistered posted                 Take Me Home Take me home to the place Where streets are paved in gold, Take me home to a place Where I won't grow old, Take me home to a place Where there are no fears, Take me home, take me home, Lord take me home! My Lord is preparing a place for me And for all who will believe, That Jesus is the Son of God And my soul he will receive, He will take me to His special place Where I will sing his praise, And worship the mighty King of kings through all eternal days! Take me home to the place That you've built for me, Take me home to the place Where the blind now see, Take me home to the place Where there are no tears, Take me home, take me home, Lord take me home! I am going to my Father's house When that trumpet blows, There is a room there made for me My Lord has told me so, My eyes are looking to the sky Expecting soon to see, Jesus Christ, my Lord and God Calling out to me! Take me home to the place Where streets are paved in gold, Take me home to a place Where I won't grow old, Take me home to a place Where there are no fears, Take me home, take me home, lord take me home! -Tracy IP: Logged |  Caretaker Advanced Member Member # 36 posted                       Getting out my goggles and ready to get "airborne"........ Maranatha!!!!!! "I'll Fly Away" Some glad morning when this life is o'er, I'll fly away; To a home on God's celestial shore, I'll fly away. I'll fly away, O glory, I'll fly away; When I die, Hallelujah, by and by, I'll fly away. When the shadows of this life have grown, I'll fly away; Like a bird from prison bars has flown, I'll fly away. I'll fly away, O glory, I'll fly away; When I die, Hallelujah, by and by, I'll fly away. Just a few more weary days and then, I'll fly away; To a land where joys shall never end, I'll fly away. I'll fly away, O glory, I'll fly away; When I die, Hallelujah, by and by, I'll fly away. -------------------- A Servant of Christ, Drew 1 Tim. 3: 16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh.. Posts: 3978 | From: Council Grove, KS USA | Registered: Jun 2002  |  IP: Logged |  abidinginhim Advanced Member Member # 620 posted                       I really like that web site. I passed it on to several Messianic Jewish friends. Thanks for sharing... -------------------- It's All About Him! Posts: 137 | From: The Mountains of NC | Registered: Nov 2002  |  IP: Logged |  Kindgo Advanced Member Member # 2 posted                       Jerusalem 91102 Israel http://www.thegoldenreport.com 12-15-02 To Rebuild the Temple! Without quoting the Scriptures having to do with the rebuilding of the Temple on the Temple Mount I will just tell you what I have discovered. It seems that over the years I have witnessed several things having to do with this coming event. The first was in June of 1982 when we (IDF) invaded Lebanon in pursuit of Yasser Arafat. I was an IDF soldier involved in that invasion. It was only about a week after the June 6th invasion that I witnessed several large flatbed trucks coming from Lebanon loaded with very large cedar trees. Because I was so concerning with the task at hand at the time I didn’t pay a lot of attention. But a month or so later I found myself setting in my study at home in Jerusalem when it suddenly occurred to me, one of the items needed to rebuild the Temple was the Cedars of Lebanon. And they are very scares in Lebanon these days. But what I may have witnessed was the Israeli Government collecting them while they had the chance. Well it so happened that one of my peace time IDF jobs was to stand guard at the Western Wall, and I knew one of the officers there. In a conversation with him I asked what he thought of the large Cedars I saw coming out of Lebanon. He then told me that they had been stored in a tunnel under the Old City for use at a later time. Well I think we all know what means means. Here we are 20 years later about to go to war with the entire Arab world, and I find myself wondering about these Cedars laying somewhere in a tunnel under the Temple Mount. And wouldn’t you know I also find another possible peace of the puzzle lying right before my eyes. I say possible because who knows. But just maybe God has shown me something again? Before telling you what it is I need to explain something to you about the stones that are needed to rebuild the Temple on the Temple Mount. To begin with the stones that are used to build homes all over Israel are called Jerusalem stones it is a type of limestone, and it is a soft stone, you’d never build a structure like a Temple dedicated to God out of such material. You would use a stone that can be polished to brilliance, something that would look wonderful and stand the test of time. You would use marble and not just any kind of marble but the best. The Jerusalem Museum. We lived in Bet Shemesh for the two years and every day coming up the back roads through the Judean Hills we’d get stuck behind these trucks carrying these large stones, many weighing many tons, all cut in rectangle shape and labeled with numbers and letters. It also became obvious that they were stacking them near an Arab Village named Husan not far from Bet Jallah. But that is not all I have discovered. Even though these stones look like regular Jerusalem stones they are not. They are a very high grade of raw marble and this pile of stones is worth many millions of dollars. These Marble stones that are not cut or polished, are more than enough to build the most beautiful temple ever built. I know I may be getting something started here, and I have no proof that this pile of marble is to be used to rebuild the Temple. But I also know it is time to build the Temple and this is most likely the largest pile of cut and unpolished marble in Israel or possibly in the world. And if the Temple is to be rebuilt anytime soon where else would they get the Marble, if not here? Solomon’s stone quarry is a huge cave that goes under the old city just east of the Damascus Gate, and where the stones for the Temple was cut from. Some say the cave goes to the foothills just before Jericho. The stone or marble needed could not be taken again from this cave, but the same quality of marble is in the pile pictured above. Well I may get into trouble with this report but I thought it interesting enough to share it with you anyway. Certainly is something to think about. We could say this article is a little off the wall. I had to say that. And while I am at it, these stones may have nothing to do with the Temple, but it sure looks like a possibility to me. I should also mention that there are many stones with certain markings on them collected and laid in the caves under the Temple Mount to be used when the construction begins. But the majority of the stones will have to be brought in. And now we know where they just might find them. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem, for our son Joel, and all the IDF soldiers, for this Ministry and your part in it. Shalom, jerry golden Enough Marble to build the Temple. Thousands of these stones each weighting tons, cut and labeled. -------------------- God bless, Kindgo Inside the will of God there is no failure. Outside the will of God there is no success. Posts: 4320 | From: Sunny Florida | Registered: Jun 2002  |  IP: Logged |

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