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WhiteEagle
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Regarding killing.
The Old Testament has very explicit laws regarding murder. The Ten Commandments "Thou shalt not kill" The word Kill means "to murder".
In the Old Testament in Moses' Laws given by the Lord, it goes into many different scenarios, that could lead to a killing.
If two men fight and one dies accidently, the person who killed the other can flee to a "safe" haven city.
I'm sorry I don't have the exact biblical references.
But war for defense of one's country is not a sin.
If I had to defend myself from a rapist or mugger, and pushed them and they struck their head and died, (I would feel terrible) but it's not my sin.
To BecauseHeLives:
Waco, Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma City all occurred under Clinton's presidency, I don't see the connection to Republicans here, it's more like socialistic/communist actions. Even stealing Elian Gonzales from his Miami relatives was under Clinton, and smacks of socialist ties.
We have 4 more years, then watch out when the Democrats get back in power. Many are already getting counsiling because John Kerry lost. They are going nuts.
That is where Satan is based, with the Liberal Dem-(ons) The GOP isn't perfect, but at least they acknowledge God and moral standards.
You can't even believe what the TV news shows you, about the Iraq war. Talk with people who are and were actually there.
War and fighting oppression is never easy or pretty.
We live in a country that allows us to speak up, and if Christians don't, then that is a sin, even if we are unearthly Ambassadors.
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If I am wrong correct me but if the word of God is right let it stand.
1Sa 15:32 And Samuel said, Bring here to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came to him daintily. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past.
1Sa 15:33 And Samuel said, As your sword has made women childless, so shall your mother be childless among women. And Samuel cut Agag in pieces before Jehovah in Gilgal.
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Our Eschatology may vary even our Ecclesiology may be disputed among us but our Soteriology most assume a singularity and exclusivity which in biblical term is known as Quote; "The Narrow Way" and Quote!
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Favor,
I think you are being too hard on yourself. We all get heated sometimes. But I think satan laughs more when we are silent and let false doctrines and teachings to continue unabated. I'm talking in general, not necessarily to this post so take no offense anyone who has posted on this thread. But my point is, sometimes we have to take a stand. Even Jesus took a stand at the money changers. Sometimes our approaches are not the best, but better to have tried than to have kept silent. Silence is more destructive than heated speach, don't you think? Look at our country, you can see what happens when you keep silent too long. Even the mainline churches that are falling away, how do you think they got that way? Now I also have a temper sometimes but I am able to control it well now. Although my posts may seem angry, they aren't. When I feel the flesh start to pop up, I take a deep breath and focus on my armor. Works like a charm. So, keep your spunk my Brother! I hope you continue to stand up for what's right.
God bless and stay strong Brother! ![[Prayer]](graemlins/prayer.gif)
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I believe I for one have been assisting the enemy, at least a certain extent.
Not for the principles, not for the value system or the ever present need to always stand up for doing what is right, for doing what preserves our freedom in this country, and not for Christian teaching of true values -
No, I have helped further the enemies agenda by helping to divide.
I have no desire to divide, or cause to devisiveness - I have, in my own heart, a desire to see that everyone come to know the Lord, to see that we ALL get to go in the Rapture (Which, by the way, as I have said many times, IS COMING SOON!) but we know that not all of us will.
It is hard to demonstrate the love of Christ when we serve to openly admonish each other with an obvious attack on each others person or character.
When we feel this. we lash out. We say things like "You don't know me" or "You have no right to judge me" and "you are the only one going to Heaven I guess' and the like.
And, unfortunately, every time one of these statements leaves the chair to keyboard interface, the Devil is laughing...
He is enjoying seeing the reactions - He is being allowed to enter in, and cause division in this body.
And yes, regardless of anyone who may believe or attempt to dictate otherwise, this is HIS body. We all are.
And each of us here is here to serve - To serve him and to serve each other. We are here to serve each other by listening, by helping, by developing relationship, encouraging, uplifting, and certainly, sharing and teaching.
What has to stop, is the constant belief that each of us is somehow better, more knowledgable, closer to God, on our way to hell, or whatever the response would have included if Satan is allowed to continue to meddle and punch a few keys himself.
No one likes to think that they are used of the Devil - No one likes to think that they could possibly be participating in anything other than Holy, Spirit filled, Spirit led commentary, but that is not entirely true.
I believe we all know what I am referring to - When the anger sets in - When the flesh rises up and says HEY!! Who do you think YOU ARE??
That is where it starts, and we all know, as mature Christians, that IS SUPPOSED TO BE where it stops - But all too often it does not. That is only where it begins sometimes, and I for one have allowed this to happen.
I know I have said it before, so I will say it again - Please forgive me for anything I may have said or done to offend - It is not my intent, at all.
And once again I will say that I am going to try my best to operate here as a fellow Christian, a brother in Christ, and work hard to "suffer" the personal attacks if they come rather than respond with the enemies agenda of divisiveness.
To BHL I want to say that I agree with Laurie in the testimony - It would serve to help MANY develop a deeper, stronger relationship with the Lord -
We, as members of the body MUST stand together - NOT divided - So please forgive me for my part in helping to cause that division, particularly with you BHL -
In Christs Love I beseech all, and pray, that we as friends, members of the body, young and old, Protestant and reformer, Baptist and Assembly, Solemn prayer time service and clapping shouting dancing in the aisles Bapticostals will ALL LEARN to love each other -
Remember, regardless of what our personal bias and flesh born prejudice may be,
the word says "They WILL KNOW US by our LOVE FOR EACH OTHER" - and here, the WORLD IS WATCHING!
In Christs Love to All,
Jim
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I really don't understand the argument against fighting wars for survival. It is simply madness. We have to defend righteousness, God-fearing people and the innocent. PERIOD. And for you pacifists who believe killing isn't warranted in ANY case, I have one question for you, and please answer it:
Is it ok to kill terrorists that are responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people.
I would like a yes or no answer with an explanation please.
God bless.
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I can't find the response I read last night now, so I am not sure if it is in this thread or not, but I wanted to give a message to Dale. I guess here is as good as anywhere else.
Dale, you shared some personal stories about your life in one of your responses. I think that in those stories, there is some powerful testimony about the power of faith and the power of our God. I wish you could spend more time sharing about the marvelous things God has done in your life as a result of your complete leaning on Him. I think it could be a powerful witness to lost people and to saved people.
Our God is a living God and Mighty God, and He will do much for the righteous. I think this could make your teachings have much more impact than they currently do, when they seem to come from a cold, unloving person (I am sorry to say, but that is the image often portayed by your posts).
Anyway, thank you again for sharing the things you did. I found it to be a blessing.
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The last part of Psalm 68:30 says, “Scatter the nations who delight in war.” God takes no pleasure in war, and He opposes nations who do. That seems to indicate that war should be a last resort. It should never be the first response of a nation, and it should not be a cause of celebration or joy on the part of an attacking nation.
As I hear the tone of rhetoric around our nation, as I hear our president speak, as I watch news reports, I don’t sense that anyone is rejoicing in the fact that we are at war. Regardless of whether you think this is a justified war or not, none of us are happy to be at war, and that is God’s attitude as well. God takes no delight in war.
At the same time, God says there is a time for war.
As devastating and difficult as war is, God says in His Word that there are times to take up arms and go to war. Ecclesiastes 3:8 says, There is “a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.” Ecclesiastes 3:8
As much as none of us want it to happen there are times when war is a step that must be taken. David even writes, “Praise be to the Lord my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.” Psalm 144:1 There is a time for war and God even prepares people for war. Isaiah 13:4 says, “Listen, a noise on the mountains, like that of a great multitude! Listen, an uproar among the kingdoms, like nations massing together! The Lord Almighty is mustering an army for war.” Isaiah 13:4
Revelation 19 describes Christ as the Faithful and True and says “With justice he judges and makes war.” Revelation 19:11 God takes no delight in war, but He clearly says that there are times when war must be waged.
The Bible also teaches us that In this life there will always be war. We should work for peace. We should promote peace. We should work diplomatically for peace, but we will never be free from war in this life. Daniel 9:26 says that until Christ comes back “…war will continue to the end.” Daniel 9:26
We should not adopt a fatalistic view of war, but war will always be a part of this life. Jesus affirmed this when He said, “You will hear of wars and rumors of wars…Nations will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom.” Matthew 24:6-7 This is a part of the fallen world that we live in. War will continue to be a part of the landscape of this earth.
Unfortunately, In this fallen world, the path to peace is sometimes war. Because we live in a world where evil is real and at times strong, in order to establish and preserve peace, sometimes we must wage war. Our country is filled with numerous examples of war leading to peace.
Where would our world be today if courageous men and women had not answered the call to defend peace and freedom in the world during World War I and World War II?
If tyrants and dictators and evil men had been allowed to continue their conquest, this would be a much different world. Because our world is made up of sinful people who have the capacity for great evil, there are times when the only way to peace is through war.
However, the Bible makes it clear that Leaders should seek guidance before going to war. War should never be entered into without careful consideration and much advisement. Proverbs 20:18 says, “Make plans by seeking advice; if you wage war, obtain guidance.” Proverbs 20:18
Regardless of your position on the war with Iraq, we should all be praying that our president and military leaders are getting good and Godly guidance. Proverbs 24:6 says, “for waging war you need guidance, and for victory many advisers.” Proverbs 24:6
Not only should we pray for guidance for our leaders but for the leaders around the world. The international community is in more disagreement than it has been in some time, and we need to pray that somehow all of the leaders of the world would receive good and Godly counsel.
One more comment concerning war, and this war in particular, Only God has all the information. We have all formed our opinions about this war based on limited information. None of us know everything that our military men and women know. Some of you have talked to loved ones in the military and they can’t tell you everything they know.
They are operating with limited information because their superiors know more than they can share. The president knows more than he can tell us.
Sadaam Hussein knows more than he is telling. And the truth is no one knows all of the truth except God. We have our opinions and perhaps our suspicions. We debate with each other and on talk radio, but none of us know exactly what the truth is. Only God knows that.
If we have to be at war, I’m glad that there is a man who is open about his faith like our president is making the calls.
I know God knows and I can trust God with the way He chooses to direct history.
I find it interesting to see the people who claim to know so much about the direction our military should take. I never realized that when you pursue an acting career you also get a full education in political science and military strategy. Apparently all of the actors and actresses in Hollywood personally know Sadaam and can attest to his character and integrity.
I also think it is unconscionable that anyone would use the occasion of this war for personal or political gain.
The truth is no one has all the information but God. Only God knows it all, and I can trust Him.
So what are we to do? How do we deal with our feelings and our concerns and all of the unknowns of this war? That’s where Paul’s words in Philippians come in. He gives us a plan for surviving these times. verse 5 in my translation reads, “The Lord is near.”
Remember that the Lord is near. That’s a pretty good place to begin dealing with this war. No matter what you’re feeling, remember the Lord is near. Even if someone you love is far away, the Lord is near. When you cry at night the Lord is near. When you don’t think He’s listening, the Lord is near. When words like chemical weapons and terrorist attacks and scud missiles fill the air waves, the Lord is near.
You and I can’t change the situation, but the Lord is near. You might not be able to reach out and hold your loved one, but the Lord is near. He hears every cry and knows every anxious moment. The Lord is near.
Students who are unsure of the future of this world or this country the best thing I can tell you is the Lord is near. He really is. And because of that, Paul can say, Don’t worry. Our ability to not worry does not come from our president or our military leaders. It’s because the Lord is near that we can have hope and confidence and security.
Paul says, “Do not be anxious about anything.” That’s a pretty strong statement. Don’t worry. Don’t be anxious about anything.
Faced with the realities of a war, we clearly see how much time we waste worrying about little things that really don’t matter. But today, this verse is harder to deal with. We could easily admit that we really shouldn’t worry about problems at our job or disagreements with our friends or small issues with our children. We know we shouldn’t worry about those things.
Paul says, “Don’t be anxious about ANYTHING.” Included in that is the war with Iraq. Paul says don’t worry about it. Now I don’t know about you, but I need a little more help than that if I’m going to stop worrying. Telling us to not worry while we are at war with Iraq is like telling someone who is suffering from grief or depression, “You should just be happy.” It doesn’t work that way.
Paul writes, “Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving present your requests to God.”
That is the formula for dealing with worry, whether it’s little issues or big issues you’re worried about. They can all be brought under control through prayer. Instead of worrying, Paul tells us to pray. Paul uses three words for our prayers.
The NIV translates them as “prayer,” “petition,” and “requests.”
What we are SUPPOSED TO DO is
Pray for our military personnel
Pray for our president and his advisors
Pray for our enemies
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Favor Minded, all I ask for was one verse in the New Testament that says or other wise teaches a Christian can take the life of any person for any reason.
That should not be that hard, since the majority of the so-called Church today teaches it is acceptable.
Jesus said few will be saved, and the more I proclaim His Word, the more I understand why.
People love their opinions and traditions over the Word of God. (Whether it is about Christmas, Easter, Halloween, or Politics opinions are what people consider important.)
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
John 12:43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
Salvation is not a plan. Salvation is a person. That person is Jesus.
Those that Jesus gains control of their will by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit by the Grace of God are the children of the Most High.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Matthew recorded this twice in the same Chapter (the Holy Spirit must have thought it important)
Mat 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Seems to me this is also talking about defending myself when someone would try to kill me or do me bodily harm. (but what would I know, I’m just an ignorant carpenter)
Those that do not Love Truth above their very own lives are not God’s children. They are of their Father the Devil.
2Th 2:9-12
[Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
To be ignorant of the Truth is one thing, “he that knew little will be required little”
But to have been shown the Truth and reject it is another matter “he that knew much will be required much”
Luke 12:46-48
The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for [him], and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes]. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. (Linda look closely at this verse, “Lord of that servant (a child of God, a Christian) (God, the master will appoint that servant his portion with the unbelievers)
Favor minded, just one scripture is that so hard, out of the entire New Testament. Just one!
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HI Texasgrandma!
I am good - Glad to hear about Kari - We will pray she is saved.
I believe we are all going to Heaven (those of us who are saved and strive to live a Godly life), and we will all have our "Misleadings" to account for.
We should stay on topic though I suppose -
Certainly we as Christians MUST stand in the presence of AntiChristian ideals, but we are to obey unless it directly violates -
We are given strict command in the Word to obey the laws -
It is not ok to disobey because we have judged through Internet propaganda conspiracy theories like our own government is responsible for 911 -
I have heard this SO MANY times, and ya know, this year we were on national TV on PAX on 911 for our memorial of it.
Each year we place all 3000 and some flags on the lawn of our church, each with a name of one who died - Every one of them is remembered -
And it saddens me when I hear certain things being preached as fact, based on propaganda being spread by paranoid Anti Government talk.
It benefits nothing, and only serves to detract from those that died...
Hope all is well with you and I truly hope that all of us here can learn to be more encouraging of others instead of Always trying to tear each other down.
I know I have done it, and at least I can admit it - Some here are so full of pride they cannot admit it, apologize and repent, as they feel they are right and have no need to repent or apologize...I do hope we all can learn to begin to build each other up instead of making stupid comments and calling names out of fleshly pride and foolish arrogance though (Yes, me included ![[Smile]](smile.gif) )
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But what of government. Are we to participate? Are we to vote? Are we to obey Government? Are we to go to war when Government orders? Should there have been a Revolutionary War against England? What do we do as Christians now that there has been and we are here? What role do we take with our leaders... do we speak against them?
But what of government. Are we to participate?
Can a Ambassador from another country participate in the affairs of the country they are visiting?
2Ti 2:4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of [this] life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
Hbr 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that [country] from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better [country], that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
2Cr 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
Are we to vote?
Can a citizen of another country vote in a land that is not his own?
Luke 15:15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
This young man left his Father Kingdom, joined himself to another country and end up feeding pigs, as low as he could sink.
Are we to obey Government?
Mar 12:17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.
As I live on this earth in whatever country I find myself, I am to obey the Laws of that country as long as they do not go contrary to the Laws of Yahweh.
Are we to go to war when Government orders?
If you are in America and call yourself a Christian, and I am in Russia and I call myself a Christian and we are ordered to go to war. Then you must kill Russian Christians and I must kill American Christians. You say but our cause is right. How can something be right if God has commanded us not to take the life of another.
Jesus has already told us His Kingdom is not of this world.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Should there have been a Revolutionary War against England?
There will always be wars and rumors of wars till Jesus returns, but that doesn’t mean the children of God should take part in them.
What do we do as Christians now that there has been and we are here?
Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mar 9:50 Salt [is] good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.
Luke 14:34 Salt [is] good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Act 26:18 To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
2Cr 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to [give] the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
What role do we take with our leaders... do we speak against them?
1Ti 2:1-3
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and [for] all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
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First I want to say thank you to Dale for the testimony. It is a testimony that I have known, but it is one that needs to be heard around here from time to time.
It is very easy to sit in judgement, thinking that you know something of a person only to find that we know nothing of what makes them tick.
Few of us could look into the eyes of someone that has raped our child and find true forgiveness, much less encourage her her to raise the child at home. If anyone here thinks that kind of grace for someone who has taken so much from us can come by anything but HIS grace within and upon you, then I think you have another thought coming.
Sometimes also I think we fail to realize that our love for him is expressed in obedience and those who love him the most are those to whom he has given forgiveness of the most debt. Sometimes our seeing things so black and white is because we were so very black and he appeared to us so very white.
Do you know what I mean? I will use me for example, I know with me, I have such a passion for the issues of paganism and the occult because I have lived in that world. And believe me, Haloween is an evil day. I was blind to the truth about that world and I was living right in the middle of it. God took the mud from my eyes and allowed me to see where I was deceived. I am passionate about abortion because I was decieved in that area believing that it was wrong yes, but it was between a woman and her God and no one else. God opened my eyes and allowed me to see what was wrong with that thinking. I am passionate about covenant marriage because I have seen first hand how the enemy is out to destroy marriage. To whom much is given much is required.
Anyway, I did ask for this thread and I would like to discuss government and our roles in government as Christians.
I want to ask that all this name calling and slapping wach other stop. It is such a poor witness. These issues are important issues and the enemy very much wants our focus to be on slapping each other and calling each other names and thinking all manner of ugly thoughts about each other. BUT GOD..... GOD wants us to love each other and seek the other man's good not our own. God wants HIS truth spoken. God wants HIS people free. How is that going to happen if all your energy is on beating each other up and finding every fault you can find in each other? There is not one of us here who knows all there is to know and there is not one of here more righteous than another who is also righteous because if there be any of us here who are righteous we are righteous ONLY because we are wearing HIS righteousness. Some of us may be more mature than others; Some of us may be less mature than others; some of us may be on milk and some on meat; but not one of the righteous are more righteous than another who is righteous, because WE WEAR HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS.
So, please, please stop this ugliness; there are angels watching and there are lost people watching and their are people seeking an there are people dying while we are so busy acting so un-Christ like.
Now moving on... Dale: I am not sure you have any argument that we are not to kill in the name of Christ. Constantine was wrong, and if Constantine was a Christian, and I am not sure that he was, but if He was a Christian he was misguided. I dont think anyone here would say the Crusades were Christian.
But what of government. Are we to participate? Are we to vote? Are we to obey Government? Are we to go to war when Government orders? Should there have been a Revolutionary War against England? What do we do as Christians now that there has been and we are here? What role do we take with our leaders... do we speak against them?
These are the questions I see being asked lately on this board. I would like to look at these things scripturally. But only if we can stick to the scriptures and not spend our time berating those with whom we disagree. The scipture will speak for itself.
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Texas Grandma, the point is Homeschooler ask me to move over here with this portion of the discussion, I didn’t want to leave you Grandma Jo out.
Favor Minded you did not mention one verse in the New Testament. I know what the Old Testament says, but that was about kingdoms of men in the earth, and pointed to the Kingdom to come in the future. John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Favor Minded you must be part of some other kingdom than the one Jesus and his true followers are part of.
The question was show me where Jesus taught to kill anyone?????
Favor Minded, I have stood face to face twice with a gun in my face since I have accepted the message of the Gospel.
One time when a lady called me and ask me come over because her husband was drunk and was beating her. The man had a history of beating her, he had put her in the hospital several times. My wife and I went to their home to talk to him. Butch greeted me at the front door with a 410 shot gun. He stuck it my face and told me to leave. I told him I was not leaving that I was there to stop him or die trying. But I was only armed with the Word of God. I walked in to their home and we sat at the kitchen table, the four of us, he still had the gun pointed in my face. I talked with him for hours, till he broke and began to cry. He said you really believe this stuff and I said I did. He said God couldn’t love me. I told him Jesus loves everyone no matter what they have done and died to forgive them. He put the gun down and I introduced him to Jesus. Love covers a multitude of sin.
Another time I had a run in with road rage, a man followed me into a residential neighborhood in Houston, Texas where I was installing a set of kitchen cabinets. The man jumped from his van got in my face shouting profanities, then pulled a 357 magnum pistol from under his shirt and put it 6” from my face and threatened to shoot me. I did not beg and pled for my life, I told him that he needed to get control of himself and think about his actions. I told him I had done lots of things that I probably should have been killed for but putting a blinker on in the wrong spot was not one of them. Then I began to laugh and told him pull the trigger or get in his car and leave. I needed to get to work. He left.
You don’t know me, I have no fear of man or what man can do and I have no fear of Satan or what he can do.
I have faced Satan and man in many forms. Yahweh has never failed me.
I have delivered my other four children at home myself, trusting Yahweh was sufficient to see me through. Jesus is always more than enough in every situation.
With the first birth at home, we were going to use a mid-wife, but the night Debbie went into labor and I called the mid-wife she said she could not come her husband was having a heart attack and they were on their way to the hospital. Be sure Satan will test your faith if you have any. I ask my wife what she wanted to do and Praise Yahweh she said “we have prayed about this for 9 months God has told us what he want us to do”. So we moved in faith and the baby was born. We broke every rule in the book according to the medical world. We had no supplies, we tied the umbilical cord with yellow yarn from a neighbor next door, and a pair of scissors from the same friend. Linda Kay was there, she stood in the doorway and watched as the baby was born, she said she had never felt a presence like she felt that night in that room, in all her life. That’s my Jesus.
I have faced cancer with my first baby girl, they said she would never see her 5th birthday, she is 30 years old and has not seen a doctor since the day we took her from the hospital with nurses in tears and the Doctors begging us not to do it and gave her to Jesus in 1975. She has given us 8 beautiful grandchildren, all delivered at home by their dad.
I have faced a man that raped my 2nd born and by the Grace of Yahweh forgave him and told him the love of Jesus.
I faced my family when they thought I had lost my mind because I had put my entire life in the hands of Jesus and threatened to take the baby away from us for trusting Jesus.
I faced Satan when one of my baby girls was 21 months old was playing in the front yard and a wild dog came in the yard and attacked her. Bit her in the face, tearing her nose off. I was at work, at Du Pont on Orange, Texas 1 ½ hours from my house. My wife called the job and I drove home. When I got there my wife was holding the baby with a wet wash cloth over her face, soaked with blood. I cleaned up Jackies face prayed and put her nose back on and taped it back in place. And Jesus did the rest. She is a beautiful lady today, a tiny scar that if you look real hard you can see a tiny scar. My parent and friends and family thought I was crazy, they said what about rabies and all kinds of other things that could go wrong, I said Jesus is bigger than all that. He said put my trust (faith) in him. Jesus is all I need.
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Favor,
If BHL had his way, he would be the only one in Heaven. Lucky for us God still determines whose saved by salvation through His Son: Jesus and not who opeys BHL's current rules for the day.
How are yo doing Favor? Me, I am doing well. Son said his girlfriend went to Church today. He meets her parents this evening. I am still praying for Kari's salvation.
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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I wasn't in this post so what is you point?
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To Abram God said -
Genesis 17:5 "No longer shall your name be called Abram, But your name shall be Abraham; For I will make you the father of a multitude of nations.
Genesis 17:6 "I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make nations of you, and kings will come forth from you.
Genesis 17:7 "I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you.
Genesis 17:8 "I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."
Genesis 17:9 God said further to Abraham, "Now as for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations.
In Reading the above, though not direct, Abraham could not take lands without a fight. The people of that time just didn't let anyone walk into their land and take it over.
To: Jacob God Spoke, and to the sons of Israel
Genesis 35:10 God said to him, "Your name is Jacob; You shall no longer be called Jacob, But Israel shall be your name." Thus He called him Israel.
Genesis 35:11 God also said to him, "I am God Almighty; Be fruitful and multiply; A nation and a company of nations shall come from you, And kings shall come forth from you.
Genesis 35:12 "The land which I gave to Abraham and Isaac, I will give it to you, And I will give the land to your descendants after you."
Genesis 48:10 Now the eyes of Israel were so dim from age that he could not see. Then Joseph brought them close to him, and he kissed them and embraced them.
Genesis 48:11 Israel said to Joseph, "I never expected to see your face, and behold, God has let me see your children as well."
Genesis 48:12 Then Joseph took them from his knees, and bowed with his face to the ground.
Genesis 48:13 Joseph took them both, Ephraim with his right hand toward Israel's left, and Manasseh with his left hand toward Israel's right, and brought them close to him.
Genesis 48:14 But Israel stretched out his right hand and laid it on the head of Ephraim, who was the younger, and his left hand on Manasseh's head, crossing his hands, although Manasseh was the firstborn.
Genesis 48:15 He blessed Joseph, and said, "The God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, The God who has been my shepherd all my life to this day,
Genesis 48:16 The angel who has redeemed me from all evil, Bless the lads; And may my name live on in them, And the names of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; And may they grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth."
Genesis 48:17 When Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand on Ephraim's head, it displeased him; and he grasped his father's hand to remove it from Ephraim's head to Manasseh's head.
Genesis 48:18 Joseph said to his father, "Not so, my father, for this one is the firstborn. Place your right hand on his head."
Genesis 48:19 But his father refused and said, "I know, my son, I know; he also will become a people and he also will be great. However, his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his descendants shall become a multitude of nations."
Genesis 48:20 He blessed them that day, saying, "By you Israel will pronounce blessing, saying, "May God make you like Ephraim and Manasseh!'" Thus he put Ephraim before Manasseh.
Genesis 48:21 Then Israel said to Joseph, "Behold, I am about to die, but God will be with you, and bring you back to the land of your fathers.
Exodus 6:1 THEN the LORD said to Moses, "Now you shall see what I will do to Pharaoh; for under compulsion he will let them go, and under compulsion he will drive them out of his land."
Exodus 6:2 God spoke further to Moses and said to him, "I am the LORD;
Exodus 6:3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.
Exodus 6:4 "I also established My covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land in which they sojourned.
Exodus 6:5 "Furthermore I have heard the groaning of the sons of Israel, because the Egyptians are holding them in bondage, and I have remembered My covenant.
Exodus 6:6 "Say, therefore, to the sons of Israel, "I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will deliver you from their bondage. I will also redeem you with an outstretched arm and with great judgments.
Exodus 6:7 "Then I will take you for My people, and I will be your God; and you shall know that I am the LORD your God, who brought you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians.
Exodus 6:8 "I will bring you to the land which I swore to give to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and I will give it to you for a possession; I am the LORD.'"
Again in reading the above, though not direct, the sons of Israel could not take lands without a fight. The people of that time just didn't let anyone walk into their land and take it over.
Exodus 15:9 "The enemy said, "I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil; My desire shall be gratified against them; I will draw out my sword, my hand will destroy them.'
Exodus 15:10 "You blew with Your wind, the sea covered them; They sank like lead in the mighty waters.
Exodus 15:11 "Who is like You among the gods, O LORD? Who is like You, majestic in holiness, Awesome in praises, working wonders?
Exodus 15:12 "You stretched out Your right hand, The earth swallowed them.
It is done, the enemy defeated by the hand of God, a Christian battle indirectly.
Moses led war against Amalek, and through his staff with Gods power.
Exodus 17:8 Then Amalek came and fought against Israel at Rephidim.
Exodus 17:9 So Moses said to Joshua, "Choose men for us and go out, fight against Amalek. Tomorrow I will station myself on the top of the hill with the staff of God in my hand."
Exodus 17:10 Joshua did as Moses told him, and fought against Amalek; and Moses, Aaron, and Hur went up to the top of the hill.
Exodus 17:11 So it came about when Moses held his hand up, that Israel prevailed, and when he let his hand down, Amalek prevailed.
Exodus 17:12 But Moses' hands were heavy. Then they took a stone and put it under him, and he sat on it; and Aaron and Hur supported his hands, one on one side and one on the other. Thus his hands were steady until the sun set.
Exodus 17:13 So Joshua overwhelmed Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword.
Exodus 17:14 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write this in a book as a memorial and recite it to Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven."
Exodus 17:15 Moses built an altar and named it The LORD is My Banner;
Exodus 17:16 and he said, "The LORD has sworn; the LORD will have war against Amalek from generation to generation."
Exodus 18:1 NOW Jethro, the priest of Midian, Moses' father-in-law, heard of all that God had done for Moses and for Israel His people, how the LORD had brought Israel out of Egypt.
Moses a Christian leader chose Joshua to lead the people in war against Amalek of which was one through the power of God. (Direct War)
Exodus 33:1 THEN the LORD spoke to Moses, "Depart, go up from here, you and the people whom you have brought up from the land of Egypt, to the land of which I swore to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, saying, "To your descendants I will give it.'
Exodus 33:2 "I will send an angel before you and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, the Hittite, the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite.
The Lord speaking to the Leviticans
Leviticus 26:6 "I shall also grant peace in the land, so that you may lie down with no one making you tremble. I shall also eliminate harmful beasts from the land, and no sword will pass through your land.
Leviticus 26:7 "But you will chase your enemies and they will fall before you by the sword;
Leviticus 26:8 five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall before you by the sword.
Leviticus 26:9 "So I will turn toward you and make you fruitful and multiply you, and I will confirm My covenant with you.
Gods powers strengthen the Levitican people that when met by an enemy, they will win the battle.
Gods plan for Joshua to war against AI as he did Jerico
Joshua 8:1 NOW the LORD said to Joshua, "Do not fear or be dismayed. Take all the people of war with you and arise, go up to Ai; see, I have given into your hand the king of Ai, his people, his city, and his land.
Joshua 8:2 "You shall do to Ai and its king just as you did to Jericho and its king; you shall take only its spoil and its cattle as plunder for yourselves. Set an ambush for the city behind it."
Joshua 8:3 So Joshua rose with all the people of war to go up to Ai; and Joshua chose 30,000 men, valiant warriors, and sent them out at night.
Joshua 8:24 Now when Israel had finished killing all the inhabitants of Ai in the field in the wilderness where they pursued them, and all of them were fallen by the edge of the sword until they were destroyed, then all Israel returned to Ai and struck it with the edge of the sword.
Joshua 8:25 All who fell that day, both men and women, were 12,000 -- all the people of Ai.
Joshua 8:26 For Joshua did not withdraw his hand with which he stretched out the javelin until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai.
Joshua slays those of AI
Joshua aided by God continues to wage war and defeat the sons of Israels enemy.
Joshua 10:8 The LORD said to Joshua, "Do not fear them, for I have given them into your hands; not one of them shall stand before you."
Joshua 10:9 So Joshua came upon them suddenly by marching all night from Gilgal.
Joshua 10:10 And the LORD confounded them before Israel, and He slew them with a great slaughter at Gibeon, and pursued them by the way of the ascent of Beth-horon and struck them as far as Azekah and Makkedah.
Joshua 10:11 As they fled from before Israel, while they were at the descent of Beth-horon, the LORD threw large stones from heaven on them as far as Azekah, and they died; there were more who died from the hailstones than those whom the sons of Israel killed with the sword.
Joshua 10:28 Now Joshua captured Makkedah on that day, and struck it and its king with the edge of the sword; he utterly destroyed it and every person who was in it. He left no survivor. Thus he did to the king of Makkedah just as he had done to the king of Jericho.
Joshua 10:29 Then Joshua and all Israel with him passed on from Makkedah to Libnah, and fought against Libnah.
Joshua 10:30 The LORD gave it also with its king into the hands of Israel, and he struck it and every person who was in it with the edge of the sword. He left no survivor in it. Thus he did to its king just as he had done to the king of Jericho.
Joshua 10:31 And Joshua and all Israel with him passed on from Libnah to Lachish, and they camped by it and fought against it.
Joshua 10:32 The LORD gave Lachish into the hands of Israel; and he captured it on the second day, and struck it and every person who was in it with the edge of the sword, according to all that he had done to Libnah.
Joshua 10:33 Then Horam king of Gezer came up to help Lachish, and Joshua defeated him and his people until he had left him no survivor.
Joshua 10:34 And Joshua and all Israel with him passed on from Lachish to Eglon, and they camped by it and fought against it.
Joshua 10:35 They captured it on that day and struck it with the edge of the sword; and he utterly destroyed that day every person who was in it, according to all that he had done to Lachish.
Joshua 10:36 Then Joshua and all Israel with him went up from Eglon to Hebron, and they fought against it.
Joshua 10:37 They captured it and struck it and its king and all its cities and all the persons who were in it with the edge of the sword. He left no survivor, according to all that he had done to Eglon. And he utterly destroyed it and every person who was in it.
Joshua 10:38 Then Joshua and all Israel with him returned to Debir, and they fought against it.
Joshua 10:39 He captured it and its king and all its cities, and they struck them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed every person who was in it. He left no survivor. Just as he had done to Hebron, so he did to Debir and its king, as he had also done to Libnah and its king.
Joshua 10:40 Thus Joshua struck all the land, the hill country and the Negev and the lowland and the slopes and all their kings. He left no survivor, but he utterly destroyed all who breathed, just as the LORD, the God of Israel, had commanded.
Joshua 10:41 Joshua struck them from Kadesh-barnea even as far as Gaza, and all the country of Goshen even as far as Gibeon.
Joshua 10:42 Joshua captured all these kings and their lands at one time, because the LORD, the God of Israel, fought for Israel.
Joshua 10:43 So Joshua and all Israel with him returned to the camp at Gilgal.
Joshua 11:1 THEN it came about, when Jabin king of Hazor heard of it, that he sent to Jobab king of Madon and to the king of Shimron and to the king of Achshaph,
Joshua 11:2 and to the kings who were of the north in the hill country, and in the Arabah -- south of Chinneroth and in the lowland and on the heights of Dor on the west --
Joshua 11:3 to the Canaanite on the east and on the west, and the Amorite and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Jebusite in the hill country, and the Hivite at the foot of Hermon in the land of Mizpeh.
Joshua 11:4 They came out, they and all their armies with them, as many people as the sand that is on the seashore, with very many horses and chariots.
Joshua 11:5 So all of these kings having agreed to meet, came and encamped together at the waters of Merom, to fight against Israel.
Joshua 11:6 Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Do not be afraid because of them, for tomorrow at this time I will deliver all of them slain before Israel; you shall hamstring their horses and burn their chariots with fire."
Joshua 11:7 So Joshua and all the people of war with him came upon them suddenly by the waters of Merom, and attacked them.
Joshua 11:8 The LORD delivered them into the hand of Israel, so that they defeated them, and pursued them as far as Great Sidon and Misrephoth-maim and the valley of Mizpeh to the east; and they struck them until no survivor was left to them.
Joshua 11:9 Joshua did to them as the LORD had told him; he hamstrung their horses and burned their chariots with fire.
Joshua 11:10 Then Joshua turned back at that time, and captured Hazor and struck its king with the sword; for Hazor formerly was the head of all these kingdoms.
Joshua 11:11 They struck every person who was in it with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them; there was no one left who breathed. And he burned Hazor with fire.
Joshua 11:12 Joshua captured all the cities of these kings, and all their kings, and he struck them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed them; just as Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded.
Joshua 11:13 However, Israel did not burn any cities that stood on their mounds, except Hazor alone, which Joshua burned.
Joshua 11:14 All the spoil of these cities and the cattle, the sons of Israel took as their plunder; but they struck every man with the edge of the sword, until they had destroyed them. They left no one who breathed.
Joshua 11:15 Just as the LORD had commanded Moses his servant, so Moses commanded Joshua, and so Joshua did; he left nothing undone of all that the LORD had commanded Moses.
Joshua 11:16 Thus Joshua took all that land: the hill country and all the Negev, all that land of Goshen, the lowland, the Arabah, the hill country of Israel and its lowland
Joshua 11:17 from Mount Halak, that rises toward Seir, even as far as Baal-gad in the valley of Lebanon at the foot of Mount Hermon. And he captured all their kings and struck them down and put them to death.
Joshua 11:18 Joshua waged war a long time with all these kings.
Joshua 11:19 There was not a city which made peace with the sons of Israel except the Hivites living in Gibeon; they took them all in battle.
Joshua 11:20 For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, to meet Israel in battle in order that he might utterly destroy them, that they might receive no mercy, but that he might destroy them, just as the LORD had commanded Moses.
The above the Chistian Leader Joshua guided by God killed many thousands and many kings of many lands.
The Lord God declares Judah successor to Joshua
Judges 1:1 Now after the death of Joshua it came to pass, that the children of Israel asked the LORD, saying, Who shall go up for us against the Canaanites first, to fight against them?
Judges 1:2 And the LORD said, Judah shall go up: behold, I have delivered the land into his hand.
Judges 1:3 And Judah said unto Simeon his brother, Come up with me into my lot, that we may fight against the Canaanites; and I likewise will go with thee into thy lot. So Simeon went with him.
Judges 1:4 And Judah went up; and the LORD delivered the Canaanites and the Perizzites into their hand: and they slew of them in Bezek ten thousand men.
Judges 1:5 And they found Adonibezek in Bezek: and they fought against him, and they slew the Canaanites and the Perizzites.
Judges 1:6 But Adonibezek fled; and they pursued after him, and caught him, and cut off his thumbs and his great toes.
Judges 1:7 And Adonibezek said, Threescore and ten kings, having their thumbs and their great toes cut off, gathered their meat under my table: as I have done, so God hath requited me. And they brought him to Jerusalem, and there he died.
Judges 1:8 Now the children of Judah had fought against Jerusalem, and had taken it, and smitten it with the edge of the sword, and set the city on fire.
Judges 1:9 And afterward the children of Judah went down to fight against the Canaanites, that dwelt in the mountain, and in the south, and in the valley.
Judges 1:10 And Judah went against the Canaanites that dwelt in Hebron: (now the name of Hebron before was Kirjatharba:) and they slew Sheshai, and Ahiman, and Talmai.
Judges 1:11 And from thence he went against the inhabitants of Debir: and the name of Debir before was Kirjathsepher:
Judges 1:17 And Judah went with Simeon his brother, and they slew the Canaanites that inhabited Zephath, and utterly destroyed it. And the name of the city was called Hormah.
Judges 1:18 Also Judah took Gaza with the coast thereof, and Askelon with the coast thereof, and Ekron with the coast thereof.
Judges 1:19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
Judges 1:20 And they gave Hebron unto Caleb, as Moses said: and he expelled thence the three sons of Anak.
David slays the Philistinian
Samuel I 17:45 Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied.
Samuel I 17:46 This day will the LORD deliver thee into mine hand; and I will smite thee, and take thine head from thee; and I will give the carcases of the host of the Philistines this day unto the fowls of the air, and to the wild beasts of the earth; that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel.
Samuel I 17:47 And all this assembly shall know that the LORD saveth not with sword and spear: for the battle is the Lord's, and he will give you into our hands.
Samuel I 17:48 And it came to pass, when the Philistine arose, and came and drew nigh to meet David, that David hasted, and ran toward the army to meet the Philistine.
Samuel I 17:49 And David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and slang it, and smote the Philistine in his forehead, that the stone sunk into his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth.
Samuel I 17:50 So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; but there was no sword in the hand of David.
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"And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I
wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and
guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,
KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and
he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down
yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me,
sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."
This country is reaping what it has sown for generations through war in other countries.
Murder, Rape, Child Molestation, Abortion, Sexual Promiscuity, Sexual Perversion, Divorce, Greed and every other kind of evil because this Nation continues in its own pursuits and will not turn to Yahweh.
Favor Minded, Grandma Jo, Texas Grandma
I am ignorant according to the education of this world, but I am not ignorant of the devices of Satan. I do not have all the parts of the puzzle but I have been able to put a good portion of the picture together through much prayer and study.
Waco, Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma Booming and the Twin Towers Democrat’s and Republican's at work together.
Our Government has declared war with it's own people to bring about "the New World Order". George Bush senior, first American President to speak these word to the people of the United States.
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No person has ever "EARNED THEIR FREEDOM". Yahweh gives you your Freedom. Weither it be Spiritual Freedom or Government Freedoms of an Earthly Nation.
To take the life of an enemy, to kill them in the Name of Jesus?
Can't see it, Jesus said prayer for your enemies, to do good to them that curse you, pray that the Heavenly Father forgive them even as they kill you.
You need to check and see who's Kingdom you are part of. Are you defending the Kingdom's of this world or the Kingdom of Yahweh. Do you savor the things of this world (love not the world nor the things of this world, for if you do the Love of the Father is not in you.) Or do you Love the Kingdom of Yahweh which is Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
this link was on many search engines including "Google" but for some reason they disappeared. (I can't guess why?) Maybe the Government does not want people to read it).
They don't want people to ask themselves why if we knew months before the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, did the President have all the code breaking machines removed from Pearle Harbor?
Why hours before the bombing were all Aircraft ordered to be configured in groups of 4 nose to nose? An order that had never been issued and never given since. Why were all the Aircraft Landing ships ordered away from Pearl Harbor
just days before?
You may say that all this stuff is just coincidence, if so you need to get your head up out of the sand and pray with understanding.
1Th 5:4-6
But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as [do] others; but let us watch and be sober.
Do not tell me I don’t love this Country. Be it a blessing or be it a curse, it is where I was born, and until Yahweh say leave I must stay.
I have had many family member killed and wounded through out all the wars in this country (my grandfather’s Father fought against the Mexicans to steal Texas from them. His name was William Clark and his name is on the Declaration of Independence of Texas and was a big name in the Masonic Lodge, what does it profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his own soul) and my wives family were the victims of this countries great dream, her grandmother and grand father were full blood Cherokee. The American Government put her family on the “Trail of Tears” because they needed the land they occupied. More than four thousand Indians including Chief Ross's wife died on the trip. One fourth of the tribe died on the trail known as the "Trail of Tears".
All in the name of a dream, of a one world order. Eliminate the vermin in the name of a better civilization,
Christian Faith? killing peoples because our way is a better way of life? Killing people for land to support a new way of life. This is no different than Muslims, killing in the name of Allah.
Jesus never advocated anywhere killing of those that oppose you as you preach nor did any of the inspired writers of the New Testament. He taught just the opposite. I would like one verse in the New Testament to this thought pattern.
I have called the Roman Catholic Church the GREAT WH!ORE and that she is, she has been drunk on the Blood of the Saints for centuries. And many others have adopted the same techniques to achieve their means Russia, Germany, Iran, others including America.
Jesus said by love would He conquer, it is Satan and those that follow Satan that takes the life of another to gain power over others and claim to set people free.
Constantine conquered under the sign of the cross, under the sign of what the Apostle Paul said was another Gospel. Many today are following another Gospel, not the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
I love this country as much as any on this board but I love my Lord and Savoir Yeshua/Jesus more and will obey what He teaches over and above all the Government of this world. And if it cost me my life or my freedom, what ever, then so is it, let it be so.
Gal 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
So you are blind guides, if you can not see any clearer than you are presenting here on this board, you are not servants of Christ but servant of another.
Jesus taught to love your enemies, and do good to them that persecute you.
If you all would like to send out a hit squad to take me out, just ask I will send you my address. If Yahweh desires to take me home, if my assignment on this earth is over I am ready to go home.
Luk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
Stephen said the same thing as they stoned him to death, and all the martyrs of the Church prayed the same prayer as they have died.
Father open their eyes, before it is to late.
2Cr 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
Eph 6:10-18
Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
The weapons of our warfare are listed above. I see no guns, knives, swords, tanks, planes, grenades, missiles, nukes, or any other such carnal weapons listed.
When did the Church of the living Father Yahweh forget the power of prayer?
Did the Church forget about it or lose it from neglect?
The persecuted Church (the True Church) has not lost the power of prayer nor forgotten the weapon of true warfare.
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Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )
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