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Originally posted by DiscipleDave:
Why is it an issue worth taking the time and effort to resolve?
It's not too difficult to appreciate just how serious this is relative to the outside world. Good Friday's unworkable chronology has earned Christianity too much mockery and ridicule. Well; if the outside world can be persuaded to mock Easter week's sequence of events, then they can be just as easily persuaded that Jesus' resurrection never happened. As a result they will miss the opportunity to be exonerated per Rom 4:25. A record of their sins will remain on the books, hanging over their heads like a sword of Damocles. Out ahead, at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15, those books will be opened for review.

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God could have come back as an Eagle if He so chose to do so
Had Christ not returned as the very same species of life that he was when he departed; his prediction at John 2:19-21 would have been easily proven false.

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Originally posted by Sa:ji:sdo:de:
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There lacks a universal consensus regarding the nature of Jesus Christ's resurrection.

Some believe that his crucified body was restored to its former life.

Others believe that his crucified body was exchanged for a glorified body.

Still others believe that Christ's crucified body is still dead, and its remains squirreled away somewhere on earth in a condition and a location known only to God.

It's also believed by some that Christ didn't come back as a human being; rather, as a spirit being disguised in a fully functioning human avatar; scars and all.

This is an issue well worth taking the time and effort to resolve on a world-wide forum /

Why is it an issue worth taking the time and effort to resolve?
Is it not enough to know that Jesus was alive, was crucified, and then risen to be alive again. That is the basis for His Resurrection. What body He came back in is as relevant as to what clothes did he come back in. He died on the cross with hardly any clothes on, and then He rose from the dead apparently fully clothed. Is it worth taking the time and effort to resolve what clothes He was wearing? Where did they come from, what did His clothes look like, did He borrow them, or did they materialized into thin air? Do you see how moot that is? God could have come back as an Eagle if He so chose to do so. HE IS GOD.

Leave it to this generation to be more concerned about What He came back as, more then that He came back at all.

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The chronology of my previous post isn't based upon the year Jesus actually went to the cross; it's based upon 2018. Had Jesus been crucified this year, the first day of the week would be positioned in the chronology quite different than his year.

For example: Passover for 2017 was Tuesday, April 11. So preparation day would've been Monday, April 10.

Had Jesus been crucified in 2017; his first night in the tomb would've been Monday night, his second would've been Tuesday night, and his third would've been Wednesday night.

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†. Luke 23:50-54 . . And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counselor; and he was a good man, and a just (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.

. . .This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulcher that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

For the benefit of those looking in who may not be familiar with the ancient Jews' religion: the day of preparation is set aside for the Jews to rid their homes of leaven; plus slaughter and roast lambs with fire ready to eat for that night's Passover dinner. (Exodus chapter 12)

Passover for 2018 is Saturday, March 31; making preparation day Friday, March 30. So; if Jesus were to be crucified this year, his first night in the tomb would be Friday night, his second night would be Saturday night, and his third night-- as per Matt 12:40 --would be Sunday night.

His first day in the tomb would be Saturday, his second day would be Sunday, and his third day-- as per Matt 12:40 --would be Monday.

Monday would also be Christ's resurrection day seeing as how the preponderance of evidence attests that he rose from the dead on the third day rather than after the third day was over and done with.

Matt 17:22-23
Mark 9:31
Luke 9:22
Luke 24:21-23
Luke 24:46
Acts 10:40
1Cor 15:4

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†. John 2:19-21 . . Jesus answered and said to them: Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. The Jews therefore said: It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days? But He was speaking of the temple of his body.

Watch as I revise a portion of that passage.

"Jesus answered and said to them: Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise up another one to replace it."

The language of John 2:19-21 indicates (to me at least) that when Jesus exited the tomb, he did so with the self-same body in which he was laid to rest.

Q: Well if that's the case, then why didn't a number of his closest friends recognize him?

A: The last time they saw Jesus he was beaten and bloodied beyond recognition, plus; to their recollection, he was supposed to be dead and buried.

†. Isa 52:14 . .There were many who were appalled at him-- his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred beyond human likeness--

Most everybody has, at one time or another, failed to recognize a familiar face when it turns up somewhere unexpected. Jesus was certainly no exception to that bit of human foible. The last person on earth anybody expected to see alive, in good health, and all cleaned up was him.


NOTE: The Romans abused Jesus quite a bit before he was executed, but the results were nothing like what's described in Isa 52:14. He got in that condition not at the hands of the Romans; but by God's own hand during those three hours of darkness on the cross (Isa 53:5-6, Isa 53:10). Well; if God would do that to His own son; what do you suppose He has in store for skeptics and mockers who mean little more to Him than wild pigs and feral dogs?

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No doubt there's a lot of debate going around as there has been for centuries. Men love debate. Does it give the sojourner greater hope or more confidence in their salvation? The simplest and clearest statements are shrouded in uncertainty. Oh how the enemy of souls must rub his hands together when he sees this.
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There's quite a bit of debate going around related to the time of the women's arrival at the cemetery; for example Matt 28:1, Mark 16:1-2, and John 20:1.

Unfortunately, the Greek word that speaks of the women's journey is somewhat ambiguous. It can not only mean came, but also went, i.e. it can indicate travel as well as arrival and/or coming as well as going.

Seeing as how there are no less than seven verses that clearly, conclusively, and without ambiguity testify that Jesus' dead body revived on the third day rather than during the third night-- viz: his body revived when the sun was up rather than when the sun was not yet up, --then it's safe to conclude that in the women's case "went" is the appropriate translation of the Greek word erchomai, i.e. the women left their homes during morning twilight; and by the time they met together and journeyed to the cemetery, the sun was fully up. (I cannot imagine any woman of good sense walking around a graveyard in the dark; especially when back in that day nobody as yet had access to electric lighting of any kind, not even a flashlight.)


NOTE: The original languages of the Bible contain numerous ambiguous words that translators are not always sure how best to interpret; so sometimes the onus is upon the reader. Caveat Lector.

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I have many things to learn regarding the mystery of God in the incarnation and substitute for sinful man. I deem that God has led me as I am able to hear and learn. There are however certain positions propagated in the religious world that are easily recognised as horse manure.
I also understand that the scripture needs to be carefully examined with a willingness to relinquish cherished positions when it becomes evident that these are no longer tenable.

That said, wisdom dictates that to miss the obvious is as foolish as making the message of the scriptures so mysterious and convoluted that a lifetime of study misses its message.

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Were you to ask John Q and/or Jane Doe Watchtower Society missionary if they believe that Jesus Christ rose from the dead, I can assure you they would answer in the affirmative. However, what you may not know is that you and they would not be speaking the same language as the conversation would be talking about two very different processes that go by the same name. In other words: you would find yourself thrown off by semantic double speak.

In Watchtower Society theology, an angel named Michael volunteered to come to the earth to die for humanity's sins. But in order to do so; he had to relinquish his angel existence to become a human existence seeing as how in Society theology it is impossible for someone to exist as a spirit being and a human being simultaneously. However, when Michael expired, he didn't go completely out of existence. Instead, his "life force" remained intact and was transferred to a human form.

"the transferal of the life of his firstborn Son from the spirit realm to earth. Only in this way could the child eventually born have retained identity as the same person who had resided in heaven as the Word." (Aid to Bible Understanding, 1971, p.920)

"He had to become a perfect man and yet not lose his continuity of life. His life-force was not to be extinguished but would be transferred to the ovum of the virgin girl, Mary." (Watchtower magazine, 2-15-82, p.7)

But Michael's existence as a human being was only temporary. When his human form passed away on the cross, the Society claims that God transferred Michael's life force back into his angel form thus restoring him to his former spirit existence; leaving the corpse of his human existence in a permanent state of decease.

In other words: in Watchtower thinking, the resurrection that classical Christianity celebrates at Easter should be celebrating the resurrection of an angel instead of the resurrection of a human.

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There lacks a universal consensus regarding the nature of Jesus Christ's resurrection.

Some believe that his crucified body was restored to its former life.

Others believe that his crucified body was exchanged for a glorified body.

Still others believe that Christ's crucified body is still dead, and its remains squirreled away somewhere on earth in a condition and a location known only to God.

It's also believed by some that Christ didn't come back as a human being; rather, as a spirit being disguised in a fully functioning human avatar; scars and all.

This is an issue well worth taking the time and effort to resolve on a world-wide forum because according to Rom 4:25, it's by means of Christ's resurrection that God is at liberty to grant guilty people a full and complete acquittal; i.e. exoneration; which is far and away superior to a pardon. For example:

Former US President Gerald Ford pardoned former US President Richard Nixon back in 1974 relative to the Watergate scandal. Ford's pardon in no way exonerated Nixon, it only let him off the hook. Though the pardon protected Nixon from prosecution; his crimes didn't go away. In other words: Mr. Nixon will always and forever be on the books of world history as a crook.

Exoneration-- defined as an adjudication of innocence, which is normally granted when there is insufficient evidence to convict --is much to be preferred over a pardon because exoneration leaves nothing on the books; it wipes people's records so clean and efficiently that there is nothing left that can in any way be used to prove they've ever been anything less than 100% innocent. As a result, there will be nothing on the books down at the end with which to justify condemning them to the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:10-15.

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