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Originally posted by GISMYS13A:
THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO REJECT GOD HAVE NO EXCUSE!!!!==Rom 1:18 But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.
Rom 1:19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them.
Rom 1:20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
Rom 1:21 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused.
Rom 1:22 Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools.
What's with you? You should be posting this stuff on an atheist board. Most of us here are way past this.
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THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO REJECT GOD HAVE NO EXCUSE!!!!==Rom 1:18 But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.
Rom 1:19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them.
Rom 1:20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
Rom 1:21 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused.
Rom 1:22 Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools.
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Be careful of learning from men. For we know scripture says and the Holy Spirit shall teach you all things and bring all things into rememberance that I have said unto you.
Also we have no need that man teach us , but the Spirit teaches us all things.
Use that Holy Spirit that God has given you to determine truth, because people often will mislead you maybe not on purpose, but because their hearts are not in the right place.
People may like to fight more than they desire to love others, or they like the sound of their own wisdom, so they puff theirselves up in their own mind. Here's how you know a disciple of Christ, by their LOVE.
Keep posting and let your light shine brother, never give up, and be who God has made you. Were all different and God loves us all.
The Lord spoke the words of John 14 to those who wrote His Word.
The Word of God is complete and not to be added to, or taken away from.
Appolos was mighty in the scriptures but needed to be shown the way of God more perfectly by Aquila and Priscilla.
2 Timothy 3:
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Beware of those who seek to lead astray with extra-Biblical teachings, personal revelations, who seek to elevate themselves to an elder's position, without being willing to sit at the feet of Godly teachers.
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Be careful of learning from men. For we know scripture says and the Holy Spirit shall teach you all things and bring all things into rememberance that I have said unto you.
Also we have no need that man teach us , but the Spirit teaches us all things.
Use that Holy Spirit that God has given you to determine truth, because people often will mislead you maybe not on purpose, but because their hearts are not in the right place.
People may like to fight more than they desire to love others, or they like the sound of their own wisdom, so they puff theirselves up in their own mind. Here's how you know a disciple of Christ, by their LOVE.
Keep posting and let your light shine brother, never give up, and be who God has made you. Were all different and God loves us all.
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Just trying to learn, there are a lot of smart people on all these forums, this is how I learn. I read what they got to say, work out their reasoning, it is a cool way of learning. Thanks for your insights.
More like fishing and two of these were atheist boards? If thats cool to you to post something that you your self are unshur of, the Lord Rebuke you.
You should have all your reasoning worked out already by a careful study of the word of God.
“My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.” —James 3:1,2
THE MATURE MAN
As James addresses his countrymen that knew the Lord, he warns those who wanted to become teachers not to rush into the position without considering the gravity of their decision. The term “masters”
is the Greek word didaskalos which means instructor or teacher in the New Testament.
The apostle feared that many of those who desired these positions in the Kingdom Church were unqualified.He perceived that ambition to become an authority figure had clouded their judgment. Because they were not called to be teachers these brethren were like loose cannons rolling around on the deck of the ship.
Their inability to effectively communicate the truth was doing more harm than good.While we wouldn’t call James “forward,” he wasn’t afraid to speak his mind. Thus he warns the minister of the Word that he “shall receive the greater condemnation [judgment].”
The teacher will be held to a much higher level of scrutiny because what he teaches affects so many lives throughout eternity. God will not only examine his motives and the intent of his heart, but also what he taught and how he taught it. James himself was mindful of the fact that those who teach the Scriptures are held to a higher standard. The teacher is responsible to teach the truth, which must also be reflected in his own life, otherwise his words are like empty wells of water.Peter says regarding those who minister the Word, “let him speak as the oracles of God” (I Pet. 4:11). In other words, the instructor must be able to substantiate what he is teaching with the Word of God.
The Scriptures are the standard; therefore the teacher is the standard bearer.While the truth is often offensive, the communicator of it is not to be offensive by using careless and unthoughtful words.
But James acknowledges that this is all-too-often the case.
the rest can be read here. http://new.bereanbiblesociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/searchlight22.pdf
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Just trying to learn, there are a lot of smart people on all these forums, this is how I learn. I read what they got to say, work out their reasoning, it is a cool way of learning. Thanks for your insights.
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I don't know what this guy is hollering about but Paul's Gospel is the same as Matthew, Mark, Luke, John's Peter's or James.
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Whats up with the Spam sam?
You haven't answered any of the others that you posted this on?
http://forum.newzimbabwe.com/index.php?/topic/65960-pauls-gospel-must-be-accepted/
Posted 12 February 2013 - 10:23 AM
newnature, on 11 February 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:
Paul’s gospel must be accepted, it must be believed today, and you can be sure that confusion concerning that gospel through the use of a counterfeit gospel; a gospel that looks so much like Paul’s gospel that you’d not know the difference, if you didn’t clearly know Paul’s gospel, will be Satan’s focus in this age of grace.
Can you give examples of “a counterfeit gospel; a gospel that looks so much like Paul’s gospel”?
newnature, on 11 February 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:
One of Satan’s purpose in this age of grace is to confuse Paul’s gospel with a gospel so nearly to it, and there are many people out there today saying all you have to do is to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and you’re saved.
What is really wrong in “saying all you have to do is to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and you’re saved”?
newnature, on 11 February 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:
They believe this in almost every church across the board that Christ died, was buried and rose again, but what do they believe was accomplished by that death, burial and resurrection?
And what answer do they give to the question you have just posed?
newnature, on 11 February 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:
In their minds, they were separating themselves for God by their sin, and Paul is saying that God has already reconciled you where your sins are concerned.
Do you think those who “In their minds, were separating themselves from God by their sin” were christains? Why?
Edited by Pendu, 12 February 2013 - 10:24 AM.
http://www.samharris.org/forum/viewthread/17127/
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Paul’s gospel must be accepted, it must be believed today, and you can be sure that confusion concerning that gospel through the use of a counterfeit gospel; a gospel that looks so much like Paul’s gospel that you’d not know the difference, if you didn’t clearly know Paul’s gospel, will be Satan’s focus in this age of grace.
One of Satan’s purpose in this age of grace is to confuse Paul’s gospel with a gospel so nearly to it, and there are many people out there today saying all you have to do is to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and you’re saved. They believe this in almost every church across the board that Christ died, was buried and rose again, but what do they believe was accomplished by that death, burial and resurrection?
In their minds, they were separating themselves for God by their sin, and Paul is saying that God has already reconciled you where your sins are concerned. God is reconciled where the sins of the world are concerned, because he imputed those sins to Christ, that all who would believe what he imputed to Christ, that that resolved the sin issue forever, and are now joined to his son and have his righteousness freely counted to them, or imputed to their account.
Paul called it the ministry of reconciliation, Christ fulfilled the law for us, so we are identified with the righteousness of Christ the moment we take God at his word, obedient to the faith, concerning what Christ accomplished on our behalf. Today our service comes not out of apprehension to any of those things; our service today comes based solely on our appreciation for what Christ has already done.
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Newnature, There is no shortage of religious blogs and webpages. Perhaps this would be better posted on one of those? I personally like listening to Sam Harris above whatever that person had to say on you you tube link. What is the point you would like to make for people interested in atheism on this blog?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread925536/pg1
reply posted on 11-2-2013 @ 03:41 PM by watchitburn
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I can't speak for anyone else...
But when someone tells me I "Must" do something, I have the tendency to do the exact opposite.
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First of all it's not "Paul's gospel". There is no "good news" concerning Paul. He was a fellow laborer. It's the gospel of Jesus Christ. It's the good news concerning Jesus the Messiah.
http://bahaiforums.com/beliefs/9219-pauls-gospel-must-accepted.html
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=287301
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Paul’s gospel must be accepted...
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Paul did not write a Gospel.
Better luck next time.
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/931912/pauls-gospel-must-be-accepted
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/931912/pauls-gospel-must-be-accepted
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Re: Paul's gospel must be accepted
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2013, 08:52:43 AM »
Quote from: newnature on February 16, 2013, 08:31:33 AM
Paul’s gospel must be accepted, it must be believed today, and you can be sure that confusion concerning that gospel through the use of a counterfeit gospel; a gospel that looks so much like Paul’s gospel that you’d not know the difference, if you didn’t clearly know Paul’s gospel, will be Satan’s focus in this age of grace.
One of Satan’s purpose in this age of grace is to confuse Paul’s gospel with a gospel so nearly to it, and there are many people out there today saying all you have to do is to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and you’re saved. They believe this in almost every church across the board that Christ died, was buried and rose again, but what do they believe was accomplished by that death, burial and resurrection?
In their minds, they were separating themselves for God by their sin, and Paul is saying that God has already reconciled you where your sins are concerned. God is reconciled where the sins of the world are concerned, because he imputed those sins to Christ, that all who would believe what he imputed to Christ, that that resolved the sin issue forever, and are now joined to his son and have his righteousness freely counted to them, or imputed to their account.
Paul called it the ministry of reconciliation, Christ fulfilled the law for us, so we are identified with the righteousness of Christ the moment we take God at his word, obedient to the faith, concerning what Christ accomplished on our behalf. Today our service comes not out of apprehension to any of those things; our service today comes based solely on our appreciation for what Christ has already done.
#94 Whine or shine? [Curt Crist]
One of Satan’s purpose in this age of grace is to confuse Paul’s gospel with a gospel so nearly to it, and there are many people out there today saying all you have to do is to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and you’re saved. They believe this in almost every church across the board that Christ died, was buried and rose again, but what do they believe was accomplished by that death, burial and resurrection?
You need to expand on this. What are you really saying here? This IS the Gospel:
1Cor 15:1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,
1Cor 15:2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
1Cor 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
1Cor 15:4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures
Some say we must obey the Gospel. We cannot obey the Gospel, and it is not our obedience which matters anyway.
Romans 5:19 For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
Christ's obedience is what has reconciled mankind back to our Holy God.
We were separated from God because of the curse of original sin.
I'm not sure if I agree or disagree with you. I'm not listening to a 56 minute sermon to find out.
Romans 3:10 as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
our service today comes based solely on our appreciation for what Christ has already done.
This should be true, but I believe that most still find that their service is based on fear of what God will do to them if they don't perform to man's standards. We are to be mindful of the leading of the Holy Spirit rather than always pointing to a set of man-made rules and comparing ouselves to a man's standard.
Romans 8:12 So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh--
Romans 8:13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Romans 8:14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
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Re: Paul's gospel must be accepted
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2013, 09:27:53 AM »
Quote from: newnature on February 16, 2013, 08:31:33 AM
Paul’s gospel must be accepted, it must be believed today, and you can be sure that confusion concerning that gospel through the use of a counterfeit gospel
Yes, Satan is blinding the mind of many people to the truth of the true gospel:
"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this age hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them" (2 Cor.4:3-4).
He does it through those posing as "ministers of righteousness":
"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works" (2 Cor.11:14-15).
How do Satan's ministers blind the minds of those who believe not to the glorious gospel of Christ. the "gospel of grace"?
They teach that "works" of one kind or another are absolutely necessary for anyone to be saved. The pervert the central message of the "gospel of grace":
"Being justified FREELY BY HIS GRACE through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" (Ro.3:24).
Believing a false gospel, one which teaches that a person cannot be saved apart from works, saves no one!
You Finally did answer here...
http://forums.utopiatemple.com/showthread.php?t=79163
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I see your point, but their is no hell. Death, as we know it, would indeed be the end of our existence were it not for the fact of the resurrection. It is the resurrection that turns death into a temporary sleep. The second death differs from the first death, not in nature but in results. The first death is a temporary sleep because it is followed the the resurrection. The second death is permeant and irreversible extinction because there is no awakening. The second death is the death resulting from the final judgment which prevents evildoers from living in the new earth to come, a punishment that ultimately results in eternal, irreversible death. The stern punishment awaiting the enemies of righteousness, whose temporary resurrection results only in a return to death and its punishment, their full and final defeat. The wicked will be resurrected mortal in order to receive their punishment which will result in their ultimate annihilation.
http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27309
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Paul’s gospel must be accepted, it must be believed today, and you can be sure that confusion concerning that gospel through the use of a counterfeit gospel; a gospel that looks so much like Paul’s gospel that you’d not know the difference, if you didn’t clearly know Paul’s gospel, will be Satan’s focus in this age of grace.
One of Satan’s purpose in this age of grace is to confuse Paul’s gospel with a gospel so nearly to it, and there are many people out there today saying all you have to do is to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and you’re saved. They believe this in almost every church across the board that Christ died, was buried and rose again, but what do they believe was accomplished by that death, burial and resurrection?
In their minds, they were separating themselves for God by their sin, and Paul is saying that God has already reconciled you where your sins are concerned. God is reconciled where the sins of the world are concerned, because he imputed those sins to Christ, that all who would believe what he imputed to Christ, that that resolved the sin issue forever, and are now joined to his son and have his righteousness freely counted to them, or imputed to their account.
Paul called it the ministry of reconciliation, Christ fulfilled the law for us, so we are identified with the righteousness of Christ the moment we take God at his word, obedient to the faith, concerning what Christ accomplished on our behalf. Today our service comes not out of apprehension to any of those things; our service today comes based solely on our appreciation for what Christ has already done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dcdkkkgEcE
The subject of reconciliation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOkizenjTD8
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