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WildB
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quote:
Originally posted by aceweaver:
Wild b I certainly believe in saving grace. I was referring to something you obviously haven't heard or which Rick warren talked about just this week on tv called common grace which Chuck Colson taught Rick Warren. You are uninformed and therefore there is no reason to debate you further

The term "common grace" has fallen at a disuse in modern times. However, the Reformers understood it be God's grace spilled out in life for the benefit of non-believers, as well as, believers.

Saving grace is the grace that transforms us.

Gods Saving grace is not common but paid
for by the Shed Blood of Christ.

This is what I found in the Bible that could be termed "common" grace.

Matthew 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Learn as Charles Colson dialogues about the call that all Christians have to cultural renewal.

http://www.qideas.org/audio/common-grace.aspx

Grace in the Gospel
Why do so many American politicians -- from Bill Clinton to Mark Sanford -- use religious language when they make public confessions of marital infidelity? Are they truly penitent or just pandering? How can we tell the difference?

The politcians who gave those statements are all professing Christians, so it is not surprising that they used religious language. It would be surprising if they hadn't.

All Christians believe that we must repent before God--and seek his forgiveness--for having offended him, his law and hurting other people in the process. But the real test is not in the confession, it's in how they live thereafter.

I have no reason to doubt their sincerity. But whether these men are truly penitent and their confessions genuine will be demonstrated by their amended behavior.

The Christian Gospel is not about cheap grace or easy forgiveness when things go wrong. But God's grace is always there and forgiveness available to those who truly repent.

This is what is unique about the Gospel among world religions.

http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/charles_colson/2009/06/grace_in_the_gospel.html

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Wild b I certainly believe in saving grace. I was referring to something you obviously haven't heard or which Rick warren talked about just this week on tv called common grace which Chuck Colson taught Rick Warren. You are uninformed and therefore there is no reason to debate you further
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quote:
Originally posted by aceweaver:
Silly is your first post saying laws to prohibit smoking are silly wild b. It is Christians expressing common grace who have done the great things in history like William wilberforce ending the slave trade in England. We do these things though laws and its our way as Jesus said to be salt and light to the world. You are confusing the mass of laws in the torah with laws by governments of the people. Your anti- prohibition statement about smoking fits in great with the pro marijuana movement sweeping our great country the United States. Are you going to side with hippies who smoke pot or God who calls us to live unstained by the world. Surely The Lord who saved us from sin by grace through faith does not want us to use grace as an excuse to sin or an abandonment from the commission to be salt and light to the world around us. Think about it

Wow there is so much wrong with your post I will just start at the beginning.

1 You are confusing the message of Law and Grace with the subject example.

2.Then you drag a red herring "Common Grace" to show your disdain for " Gods Grace" which is far from common.
2.a http://www.theopedia.com/Common_grace

3.The slave trade as known at that time has only evolved.
3.a] Last December, the House took a giant step toward eradicating the slavery of our day by passing the William Wilberforce Act nearly unanimously, 405-2; the Senate still has not considered the bill.

Nearly 150 years after the United States outlawed the horrendous practice of slavery, it still persists across our nation and around the world. This modern-day form of slavery preys primarily upon women and girls, who are bought and sold for sex slavery, and children, who are trafficked for labor slavery. An estimated 800,000 people are trafficked across international borders each year, 17,500 of whom are brought into the United States, with little hope of escape.

The William Wilberforce Act would strengthen existing U.S. efforts to combat this modern-day scourge by giving the Justice Department greater latitude to work with states to aggressively target traffickers.

One of the principal obstacles to passage of this life-saving bill is Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS). Citing concerns about federal intrusion in states’ affairs, Sen. Brownback has chosen to cosponsor a deeply flawed alternative bill with Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE). While respect for states’ rights is an important constitutional and practical concern, human trafficking is the slavery issue of our day. We are all grateful that the states’ rights argument didn’t prevail in the 19th century. And it shouldn’t prevail in this case either.

Women and girls are being enslaved and used as disposable property all across our nation. It is obvious the states need help in combating this horrific practice. The William Wilberforce Act would provide that help. We hope you will call Sen. Brownback (202-224-6521) today and ask him to drop his support of the Biden trafficking bill and instead support the House-passed William Wilberforce Act.


Looks like some salt has lost its saltyness and some light have grown dim.

4.The laws that govern," We the people" originate from the Torah.Ten of which are on the Supreme court's wall.

5.This next statement of yours is Jibber Jab and more opinion!

" Your anti- prohibition statement about smoking fits in great with the pro marijuana movement sweeping our great country the United States. Are you going to side with hippies who smoke pot or God who calls us to live unstained by the world."

6.The Lord saved us from the CURSE OF THE LAW ,which is the power of SIN, by His Grace not some common grace, through faith
in his shed blood.

6.a Romans 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.


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Silly is your first post saying laws to prohibit smoking are silly wild b. It is Christians expressing common grace who have done the great things in history like William wilberforce ending the slave trade in England. We do these things though laws and its our way as Jesus said to be salt and light to the world. You are confusing the mass of laws in the torah with laws by governments of the people. Your anti- prohibition statement about smoking fits in great with the pro marijuana movement sweeping our great country the United States. Are you going to side with hippies who smoke pot or God who calls us to live unstained by the world. Surely The Lord who saved us from sin by grace through faith does not want us to use grace as an excuse to sin or an abandonment from the commission to be salt and light to the world around us. Think about it
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quote:
Originally posted by Chaplain Bob:
The Bible does not forbid smoking or list it as a sin. But common sense would tell a Christian that not smoking is part of being a good steward of one's body especially in light of all the evidence that smoking destroys the body.

Ditto and good point.


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quote:
Originally posted by aceweaver:
You quote the bible selectively wild b and disregard hebrews and James and only quote Romans and as such you miss the scriptures that demand repentance from sin. As to laws yes they certainly have effect on the behavior of non Christians such as laws against stealing and murder or do you want to live in a world with no government?

Please stop your sillyness,

Heres a Hebrew of Hebrews for ya.

Saul was far from repentant as he followed the laws of his Torah, his government.

Thats before Christ felled him off his high horse.

Maybe you need to get knocked off yours, lol.


Have a blessed day my friend.


Acts 9
1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.


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The Bible does not forbid smoking or list it as a sin. But common sense would tell a Christian that not smoking is part of being a good steward of one's body especially in light of all the evidence that smoking destroys the body.

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You quote the bible selectively wild b and disregard hebrews and James and only quote Romans and as such you miss the scriptures that demand repentance from sin. As to laws yes they certainly have effect on the behavior of non Christians such as laws against stealing and murder or do you want to live in a world with no government?
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quote:
Originally posted by aceweaver:
The moral laws in the Bible certainly should affect our behavior and surely you don't think we should sin because we are not under law. Romans 6 says "Shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we who are dead to sin live any longer therin.

No? Why would you read that in this post?

It is clear to any Spirit Filled Christian that one can't litigate a unregenerate soul into a moral correctness.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.


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The moral laws in the Bible certainly should affect our behavior and surely you don't think we should sin because we are not under law. Romans 6 says "Shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we who are dead to sin live any longer therin.
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quote:
Originally posted by WildB:
by Cornelius R. Stam

Have you read about the clear law against smoking cigarettes in the state laws of Illinois? It's been on the books since 1907 and here is what it says:

Every person who shall manufacture, sell or give away any cigarette containing any substance deletrious to health, including tobacco, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $100.00 or by imprisonment in the county jail for a period not to exceed 30 days.

This law has been on the Illinois state law books for 96 years, but in late years, certainly, it hasn't been enforced and most Illinoisans don't even know it's there. The reason is that so many people smoke cigarettes that the authorities don't even try to enforce it.

The prohibition era demonstrated the fact that human behavior cannot be legislated. This is so even with the law of God. Some people think that the Ten Commandments were given to help us to be good, but this is not so, for the Scriptures themselves state clearly that they were given to show us that we are bad and need a Savior.

Rom. 3:19 declares that the Law was given "that every mouth may be stopped, and that all the world may be brought in guilty before God." Rom. 3:20 says: "By the law is the knowledge of sin."

This is why we read in Rom. 8:3 that "what the law could not do, in that it was weak [on account of] the flesh," God sent His Son to accomplish. Also in Heb. 7:19 we read that "the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did." This is the "better hope" that we proclaim: that through Christ we may have "the forgiveness of sins" and that "by Him all who believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses" (Acts 13:38,39).


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by Cornelius R. Stam

Have you read about the clear law against smoking cigarettes in the state laws of Illinois? It's been on the books since 1907 and here is what it says:

Every person who shall manufacture, sell or give away any cigarette containing any substance deletrious to health, including tobacco, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $100.00 or by imprisonment in the county jail for a period not to exceed 30 days.

This law has been on the Illinois state law books for 96 years, but in late years, certainly, it hasn't been enforced and most Illinoisans don't even know it's there. The reason is that so many people smoke cigarettes that the authorities don't even try to enforce it.

The prohibition era demonstrated the fact that human behavior cannot be legislated. This is so even with the law of God. Some people think that the Ten Commandments were given to help us to be good, but this is not so, for the Scriptures themselves state clearly that they were given to show us that we are bad and need a Savior.

Rom. 3:19 declares that the Law was given "that every mouth may be stopped, and that all the world may be brought in guilty before God." Rom. 3:20 says: "By the law is the knowledge of sin."

This is why we read in Rom. 8:3 that "what the law could not do, in that it was weak [on account of] the flesh," God sent His Son to accomplish. Also in Heb. 7:19 we read that "the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did." This is the "better hope" that we proclaim: that through Christ we may have "the forgiveness of sins" and that "by Him all who believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses" (Acts 13:38,39).

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