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Done, and thank you
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Great idea!
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quote:
Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
Great article, but

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Copying and Linking

by Matt Slick

1. CARM does not allow sites to reproduce entire articles from the CARM website and put them on their websites, blogs, etc., because it has an adverse affect on page rankings.

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Linking to CARM

Please do! You do not need permission to link to CARM. The HTML tag is The Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. Feel free to link to individual articles.

So, we can link to CARM articles, but we can't copy them here.

Sorry.

Thats a pity.

Should we delete the article and leave the link?

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Actually, I liked the article, other than the copyright issues.
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Besides, long posts are not going to be read by most people.

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Great article, but

quote:

Copying and Linking

by Matt Slick

1. CARM does not allow sites to reproduce entire articles from the CARM website and put them on their websites, blogs, etc., because it has an adverse affect on page rankings.

quote:
Linking to CARM

Please do! You do not need permission to link to CARM. The HTML tag is The Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. Feel free to link to individual articles.

So, we can link to CARM articles, but we can't copy them here.

Sorry.

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Here is a link to a carm article explaining the difference between Justification and Sanctification.

http://carm.org/justification-and-sanctification

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quote:
Originally posted by Caretaker:

If one is truly saved, justified, then the Holy Spirit will begin the process of Sanctification, with the evidence of the Fruit of the Spirit. The Believer will turn their heart more and more to God, and thus from the heart keep His Commandments.

Yes, we are saved unto the production of works.

Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

There is a triune gift for the chosen. Justification, Sanctification and Glorification.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Notice that Paul does not mentioned Sanctification in Romans 8. He says, “whom he justified, them he also glorified.” The reason he left out Sanctification is because it is not a requirement for salvation.

The penitent thief on the cross did not experience the Sanctification process, he never did anything, was never baptized, never went to church, never received communion, all he did was look to Christ in faith to save him and he was justified and Glorified on the same day.

Some are saved, but due to circumstances the Spirit is unable to use them to perform righteous works. They are saved, but there are consequences.

1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

There is an inheritance for them that are sanctified.

Acts 20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

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Amen!!!!

We are justified solely through the Blood of Christ.


Romans 5:1,9 “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:” “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” Man’s legal standing with Heaven is one of condemnation, and worthy of the righteous wrath of almighty God. Romans 3:23 “ For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God;”

Justification is the act of God whereby He accepts the blood of Christ as the complete and satisfying sacrifice for all human sin, propitiation, thus changing our legal status and establishing a means of reconciliation with man.

Believers are justified by the grace of God through faith. Titus 3:7 “That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.” Romans 3:28 “ Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.” We see that the status of man is changed from that of the condemned to that of an heir, one who is able to inherit. Thus man is reconciled to God through the propitiation of Jesus Christ and restored to full legal righteous standing.

We stand before God clothed in the righteousness of Christ Jesus our Lord.


If one is truly saved, justified, then the Holy Spirit will begin the process of Sanctification, with the evidence of the Fruit of the Spirit. The Believer will turn their heart more and more to God, and thus from the heart keep His Commandments.

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16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..

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How are we justified before God?

This is an important question that is misunderstood by many mainly because of false religions.

All false religions write their own ideas and then make the scripture fit into that idea. Mormons have the book of Mormon. Muslims have the Koran. Jehovah’s witnesses have the Watch Tower publications and Roman Catholics have Tradition. All who hold to these extra writings claim that they are truth. So which of these is the sinner to choose to guide him as to how he can be justified before God? I would say none. Let us stick with the scripture. How are we justified before God? Let us look at the following scriptures.

Ephesians 2:8–10
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Romans 4:1–11
What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

James 2:14–26
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise also was not Rehab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


There is an irreconcilable contradiction between Romans 4 and James 2 since both of them are using Abraham as an illustration, unless they are coming at justification from two different focal points and I believe they are. In Romans 4 Paul is talking about how we are justified before God, i.e. by grace through faith and not by works which we perform. James, on the other hand, is talking about how we are justified before men, i.e. it is only by our works that men can know that we are saved by grace through faith. When Abraham offered Isaac upon the alter, he was confirming or justifying his belief in sacrifice and that God would provide Himself a Lamb. Paul says it is by faith in Christ we are justified, but James says we demonstrate that faith by works, i.e. we testify to the world the all sufficiency of trusting in the sacrifice of Christ to cleanse away our sin and give us acceptance with God. We are justified by faith apart from works before God because He can see the heart. Therefore, since God knows our heart He does not need our works to demonstrate that we have faith in Christ, but works are necessary to prove before men that we have saving faith and that we are justified before God. Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. But some might say, doesn't the Bible say we need to repent? Yes, but what is repentance? Repentance that brings salvation is not turning away from sin or from ones evil ways, because that kind of repentance is a work and we are not saved by works. Trying to make ourselves a better person will not gain us favor with God.

Repentance that brings salvation means to have a change of mind, i.e. it is a change of mind from our own way of salvation to God's way of salvation and that is from refusing to believe to total faith and trust in Jesus Christ to cancel our sin debt by the sacrifice of Himself. Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. We must lay aside our own preconceived ideas and believe the good news that Jesus came into the world to save sinners, not good people who think they can improve themselves by works.

The only message in the scripture to be saved is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. The only requirement for salvation is faith in Christ as our substitute. Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

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