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quote:
Originally posted by Caretaker:
2 Cor. 4:
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Lifting up GJPAUL in heart and prayers.

Amen,

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2 Cor. 4:
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Lifting up GJPAUL in heart and prayers.

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16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..

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quote:
Originally posted by GJPaul:
I have warned you of your foolish scripturalism, but now I will teach you again.

Before Adam and Eve knew evil, they were perfectly innocent and knew eternal life. Genesis's story could NOT be true.

Though some argue they were also forbidden the tree of ( eternal ) life, that too is false.

Without sin there is no death. Otherwise, that which is eternal is perfect, or that which is perfect is eternal.

This is the nature of the universe. This is the very personhood which God is.

As to only Jesus being pure, how is it you profess Jesus God incarnate and then compare what we are against that ?

Jesus Himself did SAY, all I am God has added unto me, and I am nothing of myself alone.

How is it you can believe and defend God to be a purely Loving and Justice person and to give one perfect moral goodness, but restrain the same from every and any other ?

How about how can you believe and defend Jesus Himself saying " be you perfect, even as God in Heaven is perfect " if we are made by God ( Jesus ) to be impossibly incapable of that !

You see, blind submission to scripture is always gonna make and keep you sick.

It is very clear that you do not understand, but I do not condemn you for that, because there was a time in my own life when I did not understand either. The enemy will only show you what he wants you to see. He will show you the broad road that many are traveling along, that logically seems the right way, but he will not show you that it leads to destruction. It is called spiritual blindness.

In my own experience, I discovered that it is very dangerous to read the scripture with ones own preconceived ideas. The best way is to come to the scripture with an open mind and trust the Lord to reveal the truth to you and you may be surprised just how blind you have been. The spiritual eyes of every believer have been supernaturally opened. They have seen their need. They have seen that their sin will take them to hell unless it is removed. It is called conviction. They have seen the remedy. They have seen Christ as their substitute and put total trust in Him.

Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Can you see it? There is no other way to come to God only by Him. He is very able to save to the uttermost those who come to God by Him. The uttermost means as far as the east is from the west. That means, complete cleansing from sin. Sin will never show up ever again.

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quote:
Originally posted by GJPaul:
Here is some of what you do NOT believe in... Here is Jesus.

St.John 14:15 " If ye love me, keep my commandments "

If you, like the last one, wish to debate logically and not be slapped with every verse in the written Word of God, then I only ask that you respond to questions and not ignore them.

You say that we are to keep the Old Testament's Commandments based on this command from the Lord.
But I ask you, what did Christ say afterwards when He said, "you have heard it said..." in response to His listing of those old Commandments? He said, "But I say..."

Was not the Lord of Sabbath questioned as to why He worked on the Sabbath? What was His response? If He, being the Lord of the Sabbath, worked on a Sabbath, then that tells us that if we are in Him then we are at rest from works (the Law).

Was it not He who said that the WHOLE LAW hanged upon His Commandments of loving God and others? In short, all the Law hangs upon Love. For, in so loving, you have, as He, fulfilled the Law.


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St.Matthew 7:21 " Not everyone that saith to me, Lord, Lord, (I did believe in you), shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but they that doeth the will (is lawful/righteous) of my father... "
Being lawful and being righteous are two distinct things. The Jews who reject their Messiah are under the Law and are to be lawful to the Law. But under Christ, we have become dead to the Law but alive in Him. Because of His shed blood, we stand before God righteous. It is not because of our deeds, nothing we have done, but simple put, He is our righteousness and in Him, we are righteous.

In your inpute to the Word, you said that the will of the Father is to be lawful and be righteous. One does the will of the Father when one performs acts of love. Now, after reading John 6:40, what is the will of the Father? I will give you a hint, it is not placing your trust and obedience upon the Law.

Besides, if you will take the time to read the verses of 15-20 above Mat 7:21, you will see that the "will of the [F]ather" is to produce good fruits. I am sure you understand that good fruits are brought about by goodwill (love).[/QB]

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Here is what you are.

1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me - Paul

Before you wrote this, did you look up the meaning for "followers"? Does it not simply mean "to copy". Is he not saying, "copy me, because I copy Christ"? Would not a father tell his children, "do as I do because I have already walked the path you now walk upon"?

But on the other hand, Jesus said, "Follow Me..." and here that word means, "to walk behind upon the same path". Indeed, we are to follow Christ, but Paul, saying that Christ is his example, is telling this young congregation that what he does and say is how you are to act as a Christian.
Have you not heard something along this line, "So and so is a perfect example of how something is to be done"?

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Do not take my word for it, go with an eager heart and search God's written Word yourself and find the truth by the leading of the Spirit and obedience of the faithful Son.

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Your blindness to the truth of the Gospel, will send you to hell.
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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I have warned you of your foolish scripturalism, but now I will teach you again.

Before Adam and Eve knew evil, they were perfectly innocent and knew eternal life. Genesis's story could NOT be true.

Though some argue they were also forbidden the tree of ( eternal ) life, that too is false.

Without sin there is no death. Otherwise, that which is eternal is perfect, or that which is perfect is eternal.

This is the nature of the universe. This is the very personhood which God is.

As to only Jesus being pure, how is it you profess Jesus God incarnate and then compare what we are against that ?

Jesus Himself did SAY, all I am God has added unto me, and I am nothing of myself alone.

How is it you can believe and defend God to be a purely Loving and Justice person and to give one perfect moral goodness, but restrain the same from every and any other ?

How about how can you believe and defend Jesus Himself saying " be you perfect, even as God in Heaven is perfect " if we are made by God ( Jesus ) to be impossibly incapable of that !

You see, blind submission to scripture is always gonna make and keep you sick.

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Adam's sin brought condemnation upon ALL of God's Creation. Man has inherited the sin nature through Adam.

Sin separates Man from God.

ONLY through the sacrifice of Jesus on Calvary can Man be reconciled to God. Justification. ONLY by being clothed in the righteousness of Christ does man stand not-guilty before God. Propitiation.

Only by receiving Christ is one born-again and name written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

There is no other way to God then through Jesus,

There is nothing righte3ous within man apart from Christ Jesus, when we receive Him and He indwells our heart. Nothing we can do, no Law we can keep adds one iota of righteousness to man.

There is none righteous, no not one, for all have sinned and come far short of the glory of God. Our righteousness is as filthy rags in the eyes of God.

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God is pure and holy. The corruption of mankind cannot tarnish the Holiness of God. We worship God, not nature. I don't know how anyone living today in this world can see mankind as anything but sinful.
The world is NOT getting better and better and if fact it it getting worse and after the rapture the world will grow even worse with sin and filth.
Stop seeking salvation through man and seek salvation through Jesus Christ.
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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Caretaker wrote :

" Life in this imperfect sin darkened world "

With all I have taught you about what the earth is, a hateful, malicious construct to suffer and entice and incriminate and sicken you, you, on your own, condemn humankind as fundamentally sinful !

We are what and as we are made and meant to be. Our love and honesty and courage and loyalty and mercy are proofs of our inherent, inalliable goodness.

When you defile the root nature of humankind, you defile God itself, and the Son.

Here is one thing more to understand.

No matter how much worship and praise one expresses of Jesus, if they serve not the kindness and honesty and decency which our God has required all to be and do, when they pass across into the mystic, Jesus will say. " Your claims of faith in me were NOT sincere, your Love for me was NOT true, and I will not accept your debts ".

To those of wealth, as evangelists, those of power, as chief priests, and those with secrets for children, etc, they will not have served any of these things. Their destiny is what God's justice makes certain and uncompromizable.

All which life is, and all eternal life is, are fixed forever and always constant by the perfect and eternal Love and Justice God is.

So too for all which will not humble themselves to join the Heart and Acts of Love.

Now some are by family or nature already whole-Heartedly in agreement with God's own nature. These will surely be granted life after the earth, no matter of which faith or not they have.

Jesus is for the reckless and foolish. Jesus is for the guilty, which may realise their shame.

Jesus is also for the innocent, which grieve this life and plead for the rescue from it, for both themselves and the all they care for, which are many and many and many.

If you oppose these Holy Truths, you caste out even more light from your own Soul, and you lose even more health and life as well.

Now, throwing more false scripture at me does not darken my light. My light is earned, and my knowledge is priviledged, and Jesus well knows who I am.

Each day the angels within convey messages to me. Each day I am further guided to more understanding. In each day, if my choices improve, so too does my virtue, vision and Heart.

It is unfortunate for you you've closed your Heart and mind to the Truths which life may offer to they which search for them and keep their will for God. It is unfortunate you lack courage.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bloodbought:
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My life has been a 58 yr journey through enormous pain and struggle, and through mistake and shame and regret. Now, I'm stricken with cruel and hopeless smoker's lung disease. Infact, my entire life has been acursed with so many many things going wrong, so many many trials, and so many things lost or missing.

Yet, so too, my many many years of questions and searching and arguements, since my early 20's, have been fulfilled. I understand human nature. I understand this life. I understand creation and universe. I understand God. I understand the Son. And I understand my self, at least the most I've ever been able to.


May God grant to you an understanding of His so great salvation, that you may receive His free gift.

Hebrews 2:1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. 2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; 3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

Amen!!

I too am 58, born September 12, 1953, and born again April 10, 1977, when I first received the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.

Life in this imperfect sin darkened world still holds physical pain, terrible loss, deep heartfelt anguish. A terrible anguish for those who die separated from God, for those who are so sincere but lost in error.

The difference which I have experienced for the last 34 years is that NOTHING can separate me from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus my Lord, and I have that glorious assurance that to live is Christ and to die is gain for without a shadow of a doubt, guaranteed from His Word is that to be absent from the Body is to be present with the Lord which is so much better.

Romans 8:
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..

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quote:
My life has been a 58 yr journey through enormous pain and struggle, and through mistake and shame and regret. Now, I'm stricken with cruel and hopeless smoker's lung disease. Infact, my entire life has been acursed with so many many things going wrong, so many many trials, and so many things lost or missing.

Yet, so too, my many many years of questions and searching and arguements, since my early 20's, have been fulfilled. I understand human nature. I understand this life. I understand creation and universe. I understand God. I understand the Son. And I understand my self, at least the most I've ever been able to.


May God grant to you an understanding of His so great salvation, that you may receive His free gift.

Hebrews 2:1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. 2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; 3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

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I have nothing further to say to you concerning God.

Most all things I've said here are true, and in some place of your consciousness you see their truth, but you are afraid. Your entire lives, or at least after joining the faith, has been an obsession for faith and scripture.

My life has been a 58 yr journey through enormous pain and struggle, and through mistake and shame and regret. Now, I'm stricken with cruel and hopeless smoker's lung disease. Infact, my entire life has been acursed with so many many things going wrong, so many many trials, and so many things lost or missing.

Yet, so too, my many many years of questions and searching and arguements, since my early 20's, have been fulfilled. I understand human nature. I understand this life. I understand creation and universe. I understand God. I understand the Son. And I understand my self, at least the most I've ever been able to.

We all struggle through this life. We all make mistakes. Some are born with love and respect and affection and sincerity unto them from their first moment. Some are raised from anger, hardness, and such. Some grow and learn to regret themselves. Some never do. Some try to live from and by civil and humane ideals. Some scheme and scam for all they can get.

In all we are, and have ever been, it is our relation with one another, and such as the animals and living world, which most move our Hearts and we most treasure. This relationship is the most wonderful and the most terrible.

There is both relief and sorrow in my loss of this life. If it were to be the only life I could have, would I want it ? NO. My life has overflowed with injustice. A life which can be born into such injustice can ever be eternally reborn into that injustice. ( materialism's natural limits limits our offences, hence our debts, therefore all lives are due, in fair resolve, to be restored unto life. )

Even so, there are people and animals and things in this life I have loved with all my Heart. I would have them not suffer the earth if I had a choice with power. I don't. What I do have is my word, and of my experiences and knowledges, and a little more time left to me, I can also do some politics.

That is my purpose here. I appreciate your allowing me to speak.

btw: WildB said ' where's the blood '

In the first day of my revelation as to the true nature of creation, which was early friday morning, 1999, my nose began to profusely bleed. 3 days it was needed to correct my theory of universe and 3 days I bled. On sunday I had made all needed changes, and my nose stopped bleeding.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bloodbought:
False religions always focus on human righteousness. False religion is man centred, works oriented and self-righteous.

True religion always focuses on Christ, what He has done and His righteousness. It is by faith in Him alone that we receive cleansing, not by works of the law.

Amen!!!!

We are ONLY redeemed through the Blood of Christ, and only Born Again by receiving Him.

As the Master declared "Ye must be born again".

You bring error GJPAUL and it will never be received by Believers. In declaring Paul wrong, you are calling Jesus a liar in that He declared that the Comforter would bring the Disciples into all truth, and they established Paul as being true, and in your error and arrogance you declare the Apostles to be wrong.

2 Peter 3:

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.


You can wrest those inconvenient scriptures out of the Word and throw them away till the cows come home, but it does not change their Truth directly from God, and does not change the fact that you are in terrible error GJPAUL.

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quote:
Originally posted by GJPaul:
Though you've repeatedly said to me I don't understand your faith, let me say how I do understand it.

You faith is based upon the scriptural arguements and opinions of Paul. Paul claims you're debts are forgiven, or otherwise you achieve perfect righteousness, from the belief Jesus is your saviour.

Paul further claims ones acts of Law cannot save them, and though all sincere protestants do indeed try to do and be good things, Paul discounts the need for Law.

However, if one discounts the Law of God, we know through the Son Jesus, they do infact discount their belief in God and Jesus.

I do well know the healing Jesus provides does require sincere belief in Him. This is what He asks, and this is His right hand of healing.

In His left hand is the book of Law, the book of Love and Mercy and Righteousness, and He says, do and be righteous and offend no more.

Jesus does have this power from both His sincere Trust in God and His Loyal and constant allegiance to the Will and Love and Mercy of God.

It is these two things together which empower Jesus to forgive ones offences and rescue our lives.

If one discounts their need to join God's will and Love, they also discount their belief in the Son, Jesus, for He did always say in his healing/forgiveness, offend no more.

Now, in this devaluing of the Love and Laws of God and Son, ones sincereity in promise of belief is in jeopardy.

Without ones whole-Hearted efforts to Love and respect the lives of God's family, the words ' I believe ' become hollow and deceptive.

It is my belief and arguement, the life of Jesus was intended to be a vessel for our rescue, and was so made to be from God's Love and Mercy for us.

If we will not understand it is our own need to awaken our own inherent goodness for the purpose of the Love and protection of those which share life, we do infact betray our own goodness and our own life.

Paul was wrong.

Our rescue from the foolishness of our own vanity needs both sincere appeal and belief in God and the Son and the promise and deeds we no longer offend.

Nice PC Speech, but wheres the blood son?

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

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False religions always focus on human righteousness. False religion is man centred, works oriented and self-righteous.

True religion always focuses on Christ, what He has done and His righteousness. It is by faith in Him alone that we receive cleansing, not by works of the law.

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Though you've repeatedly said to me I don't understand your faith, let me say how I do understand it.

You faith is based upon the scriptural arguements and opinions of Paul. Paul claims you're debts are forgiven, or otherwise you achieve perfect righteousness, from the belief Jesus is your saviour.

Paul further claims ones acts of Law cannot save them, and though all sincere protestants do indeed try to do and be good things, Paul discounts the need for Law.

However, if one discounts the Law of God, we know through the Son Jesus, they do infact discount their belief in God and Jesus.

I do well know the healing Jesus provides does require sincere belief in Him. This is what He asks, and this is His right hand of healing.

In His left hand is the book of Law, the book of Love and Mercy and Righteousness, and He says, do and be righteous and offend no more.

Jesus does have this power from both His sincere Trust in God and His Loyal and constant allegiance to the Will and Love and Mercy of God.

It is these two things together which empower Jesus to forgive ones offences and rescue our lives.

If one discounts their need to join God's will and Love, they also discount their belief in the Son, Jesus, for He did always say in his healing/forgiveness, offend no more.

Now, in this devaluing of the Love and Laws of God and Son, ones sincereity in promise of belief is in jeopardy.

Without ones whole-Hearted efforts to Love and respect the lives of God's family, the words ' I believe ' become hollow and deceptive.

It is my belief and arguement, the life of Jesus was intended to be a vessel for our rescue, and was so made to be from God's Love and Mercy for us.

If we will not understand it is our own need to awaken our own inherent goodness for the purpose of the Love and protection of those which share life, we do infact betray our own goodness and our own life.

Paul was wrong.

Our rescue from the foolishness of our own vanity needs both sincere appeal and belief in God and the Son and the promise and deeds we no longer offend.

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My faith is based upon the resurrection, for it is the empty tomb, which is the pivotal point differentiating the Christian from all other religions, and establishes the credibility of the Word of God.

1) The resurrection was foretold by Jesus Christ. Matthew writes, “From that time Jesus Christ began to show His disciples that he must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed and raised up on the third day”(Matt. 16:21) Though his followers did not understand what He was telling them at the time, they remembered and recorded His words.

2) The resurrection is the only reasonable explanation for the empty tomb. If Jesus had been only wounded he could not have removed the stone or gotten past the soldiers, likewise his disciples could not have gotten by either. His enemies would not have taken the body for it would have only encouraged belief in the resurrection.

3) The resurrection is the only reasonable explanation for the appearances of Jesus to His disciples. There were at least ten different occasions, and even eating and allowing them to touch him.

4) The resurrection is the only reason for the beginning of the Christian church. This was the foundation upon which the church was founded, and the primary subject of the first sermons.

5) The resurrection is the only reasonable explanation for the transformed lives of the disciples. They deserted Jesus during His trial and crucifixion. They remained in hiding, and it was only after the resurrection that they emerged. These same sheep hiding in the darkness emerged with power and boldness, in the very presence of their enemies, to turn the world upside down. Where once they had cowered in fear and confusion, and Peter had made his denial three times, they now endured horrid persecution and death, with faith unshaken.

The transformation in the life of Paul, can only be reasonably explained by the resurrection. For he was the lead persecutor of the early church. After meeting the resurrected Lord upon the Damascus road, Paul was transformed, and he went forth boldly proclaiming the faith, even unto a martyr’s death.

6) Lastly I offer into evidence the transforming power of the resurrection, in the lives of countless millions through the centuries, who have received Christ. Each of us gives evidence in our testimony to the resurrection power of Jesus of Nazareth, to break the bonds of sin, and produce peace and righteousness in our lives.

OPEN YOUR HEART AND MIND TO THE TRUE GOD AND HE WILL BREAK YOUR CHAINS OF BONDAGE GJPAUL AND SET YOU FREE!!!!!!

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Actually GJPAUL nothing you have said has ANY truth, validity, or credibility, so it will continually be cast aside, for you have no foundation of substance.

Nothing you say, nothing you bring to the table has ANY relevance for one who walks with Christ Jesus our Lord.

In your rejection of the Word of God, with your intrinsic animosity towards His eternal Truth, you have discarded any iota of credibility in any matter of faith and practice.

As you carefully place your perspective upon the table, your position of rejection and corruption is continuing to be revealed, and so your perspective is relegated immediately to the refuse pile with all the other counterfeit "christs".

You pay lip service to a "Christ", and yet your anger and hatred of His Word reveals that you do not in fact follow the Lord Jesus Christ.

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The fact is not one of you have made even one single rational arguement against anything I've said which has been based upon your own knowledges of this life, but only running scriptual quotes which all derive from those books which undermine the original books of the N.T.

Historical scholars do fully understand Saul/Paul was passionately in contempt of Law long before he claims to have witnssed Jesus. Pauls arguements against the books of the Gospels are his own personal campaign against Law.

Mohammed did claim Holy relation with God, yet his qur'an and Hadiths command all followers to act against non-believers and he promises great rewards for those which use violent harm in so doing, all to force all people on earth to serve his will, the will of mohammed.

My point is scripture alone is NOT sufficient as knowledge, and it is your constant scripturalizing which discredits both you and Jesus.

Threatening opponents with scriptural stuff is one big cause of the widespread contempt for christian faith.

My position has little to do with scripture, and everything to do with real knowledge, a knowledge self-evident to others when they only look at and consider these things. True, this knowledge is all anchored in my relation with God, which was begun and guided by Jesus.

My position doe NOT threaten with ridiculous scriptural stuff, but invites others which already know of and disilike so much of what this life is to a course of action they can readily understand, decide with safe and free mind and Heart, and fine-tune as their own unique circumstances require.

For example, I am NOT gonna sell all my possessions, yet I will restrain my shopping and not borrow, etc.

Scripturalists are never going to have the rational health nor political appeal as they of solid knowledge and common reason.

With such despicable dishonesty and manipulations of such as tele-evangelists, Billy Graham the king rat of those, why can't you realise how wrong blind and stubborn scripturalism is.

Come into the healthy world, the rational world, where what you say is based upon real knowledge, not the mere desire/belief a thing be true.

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So, here is an overview of these 2 positions.

Jesus, the first position, declaring Himself to be the Son of God, asking we believe His message and join and assist Him, and asking and teaching and requiring we have a responsibility to others for how we treat and mistreat and help or ignore ALL people and families of this life.

Paul, the second position, asking we believe and follow him, and his message is we now have NO responsibility to others, but now only to ourselves, and we can pass onto Jesus all debts and payments for our harmful and wrong and bad behaviours, which Jesus will accept and fulfill if we merely worship Him.

In the first position, joiners/followers take a meaningful position against the evils materialism is and the ' monster ' which rules the earth. ( as we see in the Gospels story of Jesus's 40 days fight against the earth soto overcome it's bondage over Him ).

WE further see this arguement against ALL this life's predators and enslavers and tyrants and violators and liars and perpetrators in the Book of Revelation.

Now it is obvious, and indisputeable, such accusings and warnings in the original books of testimony and Revelation ONLY derive from the responsibilities we have to ALL others that we do in whole and daily DEEDS value and respect their lives on the earth.

And, there is the fact Jesus is offering a life apart from the earth and without the ills of the earth, therefore His Cross is further increased in scope and vital importance.

His Cross is now the fight against the entire material Creation, which ALL can see FORCES all to live with harm against other lives.

The material creation is an insidious, hateful, malicious trap, sickening and injuring and suffering all lives, and it does so in perpetuity.

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Sex begins our lives on the earth.

Sex serves our means to continue in life in this mortal circumstance material life is.

Sex also serves to continue and perpetuate our offending and harmful behaviours on the earth.

Materialism's foundational harmful, predatory and killing life-order is fundamentally sickening to our health as our lives are mutually in need of one another. None on the earth have ever had, nor ever can have full rational and emotional health.

This alone is one reason why our sexuality is filled with compulsions and perversions.

This is also the bridge between sex and violence.

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So now, in the first position there is the will and efforts and acts against all the harms/evils which suffer all livingkind on earth.

This first position also offers real healings to those whom have sickened themselves from their own desires and dishonesty, greed, savagry, sexuality, and such. Regret and promise and self-denial and principle and integrity.. the Law.

The second position takes no personal issues with the earth, but passes those over to another.

Now, how is it if God did ONLY want us to worship it, and did NOT have any concerns for our other behaviours, that we could be judged and punished in those crimes and offences ?

There is NO judgement NOR reward without our duty to the Law.

There is NO justice without those responsibilitites being added onto and shared equally by all people.

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And so, the protestant N.T. offers 2 directly and profoundly differing social, moral politics.

Each claim the authority of the knowledge of God and the obeyance and service to God's will.

Both groups of followers achieve some good works.

The first position does NOT add more lives unto the earth, the second adds so many more lives unto the earth.

Both churches in total possess enormous wealth of the earth.

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Where is more to say.

This is an issue of choice. It is an issue of Heart. It is an issue of rational understanding. It is an issue of ones values and personal judgement. It is an issue of ones responsibility to both themselves and to others.

AS we give is as we may ask of others. If we care not to protect others lives now, rather than later, how is it we could suppose God would give to us ?

How is it so many make so many irrational statements in service to their scriptures, that anyone outside their faith, and having common rational health, could be enHearted to respect the person of Jesus ?

Many many of those which dispute the very being of God have been motivated by the character and words and crimes and such of this world's religion's scriptures and followers.

Somewhere in all this there needs be a voice of the Truth. A voice rationally healthy, whose ways are realistically practical, fair to all, and which succeed to increase our Health, our virtue, and our contributions to the family of livingkind we so much live for and with and by.

I say the good-will and good-deeds and Cross of Jesus are the most needed ways of this life. I say we must fight the earth. I say we must refuse the earth. I say we must join Love.

This position does agree with the ' Lion ' .

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If, however, the law of Moses bears the same relationship to men today, in terms of its binding status, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what He came to do. On the other hand, if the Lord did accomplish His goal, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today. Further, if the law of Moses was not fulfilled by Christ—and thus remains as a binding legal system for today—then it is not just partially binding. Rather, it is a totally compelling system. Jesus plainly said that not one “jot or tittle” (representative of the smallest markings of the Hebrew script) would pass away until all was fulfilled. Consequently, nothing of the law was to fail until it had completely accomplished its purpose. Jesus fulfilled the law. Jesus fulfilled all of the law. We cannot say that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the other aspects of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it. What Jesus' death means for the sacrificial system, it also means for the other aspects of the law.

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The Word of God is rock solid and consistent from Genesis to Revelation and Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.

The Lord Jesus Christ declared that He was the fulfillment of the Mosaic Covenant, the Law given to the Children of Israel on Mount Sinai.

Jesus declared that He was establishing a New Testament, a New Covenant in His death, and His resurrection.

Mark 14:
24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

The Commandments of Christ Jesus our Lord:

John 15:
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Jesus Christ is the basis of the new covenant, or arrangement, God has given us. We can either accept this or reject it. Because he loves us with indescribable love, he urges us to accept it — to put our faith, our trust, in Jesus Christ, that is, to trust him with our lives, and to accept him as our Mediator, our only means of salvation.

We sinners deserve to be eternally alienated from our holy God and therefore completely separated from the joy of knowing him and partaking of his eternal blessings. But the good news is that we don’t have to be eternally alienated. Instead, we can live forever in the joy of full favor and harmony with God because of Jesus Christ, specifically because of what he did for us in his death and resurrection.

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Originally posted by GJPaul:
Caretaker wrote :
" The Lord Jesus revealed the Mystery of the Church, His Body and His Bride, through Paul "

I don't see mystery in a man which says one set of things and accepts to suffer and die for them, then completely reverses his entire position and claims those new rules are now actually God's will... Ooops he says, I was just a little mistaken the first time !

Wow..ok

You do not have the Born again Spirit of Christ, do you.

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The righteous commandments of Christ are far more than the Ten Commandments which were a part of the ordinances nailed to the Cross of Calvary.

Matthew 22:36-40 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" And He said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' "This is the great and foremost commandment. "The second is like it, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."

Jesus is the complete expression of God's righteousness, not the 10 commandments!

B. Things the 10 commandments lack:

1. Did not condemn: Drunkenness, obscene language, laziness, pride, pre-marital sex, homosexuality, bestiality.
2. Do not forbid brethren taking brethren to court. (1 Cor 6)
3. Does not command: forgiveness, repentance or helping the poor or Baptism or the Lord's supper.
4. The rich young ruler had kept the 10 commandments from his youth up, but Jesus said he lacked something even though he had kept the 10 commandments acceptably: Lk 18:18-23
5. It does not tell us about the kingdom of God or how to enter it.
6. There is no provision for forgiveness of sin therein. Heb 10:4
7. It permitted swearing, but Jesus forbade swearing: Mt 5:32
8. Four essential things lacking in 10 commandments: Acts 15:28-29 "For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than: these essentials: that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well."
9. Jesus said that the ten commandments do not contain the two greatest moral commandments! Matthew 22:36-40 Where do the ten commandments teach to love your enemies??? Too bad for Sabbatarians: This would have been a great place for Jesus to quote the Sabbath law or at least one of the 10 commandments!

Matthew 22:36-40 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" And He said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' "This is the great and foremost commandment. "The second is like it, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." Heb. 8:
6: But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7: For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8: For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10: For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12: For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13: In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Heb. 9:
1: Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
2: For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
3: And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
4: Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
5: And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

8: The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10: Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11: But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12: Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.


5. The ten commandments (tablets) are part of the first covenant that was replaced by the new covenant of Heb 8:13

* Notice that the Ten Commandments were the first abolished covenant: Heb 8:13 "When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear. "Now even the first covenant had ... the TABLES OF THE COVENANT." Heb 9:1-4

* 2 Corinthians 3:2-11 The abolished Old Covenant was the 10 commandments:

2: Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
3: Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
4: And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
5: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6: Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7: But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9: For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10: For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11: For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.


That which was written on Stone Tablets is DONE AWAY, fulfilled in Christ Jesus our Lord on the Cross of Calvary.

Col. 2:
11: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13: And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14: Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15: And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
18: Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19: And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
20: Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21: (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22: Which all are to perish with the usingwink after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23: Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

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Christ the Power and Wisdom of God
(cf. Is. 29:14 )
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

​​“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
​​And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.” [fn1]

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Many liberals reject Paul as he is inconvenient to their theology, and declare like GJPAUL that they receive Jesus ONLY, yet what is hypocritical is that the Apostles supported Paul abd his teachings, and it was the Apostles who wrote the Words and teachings of Christ. So in essence GJPAUL you arrogantly place yourself above the Apostles in receiving some of what they taught and rejecting other parts of the Apostolic writings.

You create your own theology and a counterfeit Christ of your own making, when you reject the very Word of God.


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Rejecting Paul Alone

Some, recognizing that the trustworthiness of Jesus' words as recorded in the Gospels depends on the trustworthiness of those who recorded His words, will affirm that the Gospel writers held to Jesus' teachings, but Paul deviated from the same. Such an assertion cannot be supported Biblically. The Scriptures indicate that the apostles accepted Paul's teaching. If they accepted Paul's teachings, and Paul's teachings were in error, why should we trust the apostles' doctrine? It would seem illogical that they would approve of, and associate with someone they considered a heretic.

According to the church historian, Eusebius, Peter was responsible for assisting Mark in the composition of his Gospel because Mark was not an eyewitness of Christ. If it can be shown that Peter approved of Paul's doctrine, it would bring Mark's Gospel into suspect. Indeed, we do find that Peter approved of Paul's doctrine. Peter went so far as to call Paul's writings Scripture (II Peter 3:15-17). Peter did not believe Paul was heretical. According to the above referenced passage, Peter thought Paul was full of wisdom and that His writings were inspired. Furthermore, Peter recognized that some individuals twisted Paul's words to make them mean something Paul did not mean to convey, resulting in the destruction of those individuals. The corollary is that if Paul's words were interpreted correctly they would result in one's salvation. Peter went on to tell his readers to be on guard so that they would not be led away by such men who twist Paul's words into error, falling from the truth. Apparently Peter was convinced that what Paul taught was truth, not error and deception. If Peter was in cahoots with Paul, we have one of two options: We must accept Peter's opinion of Paul and his writings, or we must reject Peter as a heretic along with Paul, and therefore reject all or portions of Mark's Gospel.

Luke, the author of Acts and the third Gospel bearing his name, accompanied Paul on his third missionary journey. Does Luke's association with Paul make him suspect as well? Surely Paul would not allow a man to travel and minister with him who did not believe the same message as him. If Luke would not succumb to Paul's deceptive teachings he would have been on the first donkey back to Jerusalem. It would be reasonable to conclude that Luke was deceived by Paul's strange and foreign doctrines as well, causing Luke to misconstrue Jesus' words and deeds in his Gospel. This makes the Gospel of Luke suspect along with the Gospel of Mark.

If we do trust Luke, then what about Luke's accounts of Paul's visits to Jerusalem with the apostles (Acts 9:26-31; 11:29-30; 12:25; 21:17-26)? Never once do we read about a disagreement over Christ's teachings. Instead we find the church giving the right hand of fellowship to Paul.

If one will grant the reliability of Paul's personal historical accounts, he himself noted that he went to Jerusalem and conferred with the apostles, telling them all that he taught about Christ in order to make sure that His message was not false (Galatians 2:1-10). According to Paul the apostles approved of his message, adding nothing to it. They recognized God's calling on his life to minister to the Gentiles, and gave their blessing to him to preach Christ to the Gentiles. Looking at Luke and Paul's accounts, then, we have no reason to believe there was a doctrinal conflict between Paul and the apostles. If Paul was in error, we would have to conclude that all of the apostles were in cahoots with Paul in his attempt to distort Christ's teachings. If this is so, we cannot trust the words that any Gospel writer ascribed to Christ, and thus have no assurance as to Christ's true teachings.

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Caretaker wrote :
" The Lord Jesus revealed the Mystery of the Church, His Body and His Bride, through Paul "

I don't see mystery in a man which says one set of things and accepts to suffer and die for them, then completely reverses his entire position and claims those new rules are now actually God's will... Ooops he says, I was just a little mistaken the first time !

Of course, God's like that ya know, though being pure and eternal and perfect, God's also a confused and split minded personality.

I don't !

I see Love/valuing the foundation of all civil and decent responsible social behaviour, and given the vain and hungry nature we are, self-denial and sacrifice the vital means all have which choose to live other than those which savagely compete against and criminally prey-upon one another.

( Their desires for superiority above all others, to dominate and control all peoples, to possess and own all things themselves alone, and to have all pleasures in the every day of their lives. )

God would NOT manifest it's son on the earth only so we worship God, and soby gain our exemption from our responsibilties for how we so daily offend and injure others in our insatiable hungers for more and more personal havings by the mere worship of Jesus.

The facts are it is only in those later books this new politic exists, and they do obviously feed their own intentions against the earlier books.

Now I know, overt contradictions are NOT a problem for protestants, but they are for me, and all rationally healthy people.

As I've said, ones choice to join Jesus and take-up His Law and Cross is a choice of Heart, a choice they'd more easily make if they see and share the suffering of others on this earth and want to themselves do something about that, though I wholely respect one take a long and clear look at the issues involved.

You see, it's a matter of looking everyday upon the victims of the world's political and corporate and religious establishments, all the institutional crimes and injustices they run, all their lying and robbing and violating and violence, and on and on.

Now, some may choose to ' pass the buck ' to another to stop those things, say for example Jesus, and all that ritual stuff about His body and blood and stuff like that, OR, to take up this fight themselves.

I guess it's the difference between those which can tolerate those harms and sufferings against life to continue and those which won't stand by a let it all go on and on and on.

True, we cannot command creation and universe, though we can refuse to be a part of those.

This decision is the measure of the character and loyalty and courage of a person before the whole of life's wonderous livingkind.

We may only ask of another what we ourselves give, and if we choose to suit ourselves and do and give nothing, or very little, why would suppose there be infinite reward for that ?

You idea your group has magical universal powers by the number of people you are, and if you could persuade all people to likewise join your specific version of faith and too worship Jesus then all will fixed-up right and good is an impossible delusion. The world's families and cultures have never, nor ever will join together. The idea God will force all people to do so by torturing/suffering them into it is socio-pathic.

The choice to value and regard others lives is a choice which must remain of free will and free thought and free Heart and free choice. It is a choice which measures ones Heart and character and conscience. It is this measurement which justifies our lives, and the Law, and reward and punishment. Without the responsibilities of one to another, all that is life, free-will, society, and justice collapse.

By so many many causes, protestant faith makes NO sense to me, neither to my Heart.

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We receive every jot and tittle of the very Word of God and UNLIKE you we do not reject those scriptures which are inconvenient to your error.

We follow the whole counsel of God, and there is no conflict between what the Apostle Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit wrote and taught and what the other Apostles under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, wrote and taught of the teachings and words of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The Lord Jesus revealed the Mystery of the Church, His Body and His Bride, through Paul, and in rejecting the Pauline Epistles you GJPAUL are rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ as revealed in His Word.

You are in error, are a false teacher and NOTHING you post will be received by Believers and we will always stand against your heresy.

Peter spoke of you GJPAUL:

2 Peter 3:
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

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Betty Louise wrote :
" If you truly knew Christ, you would know that Paul and Christ were in agreement. "

It does confound even the most basic of intelligence, you would even think to post such a thing.

Your destiny is not my decision, though I would not envy it.

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Here is some of what you do NOT believe in... Here is Jesus.

St.John 14:15 " If ye love me, keep my commandments "

St.Luke 9:23 "...if any person will come after me (join/support/follow me), let them deny themself and take up their cross daily..."

St Matthew 10:38 " And they that taketh not their cross, and follow after me, is not worthy of me "

St.Luke 14:33 "...whosoever they be of you that forsaketh not all that they hath, they cannot be my disciple "

St.Matthew 7:21 " Not everyone that saith to me, Lord, Lord, (I did believe in you), shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but they that doeth the will (is lawful/righteous) of my father... "

Here is what you are.

1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me - Paul

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Fultz III:
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Originally posted by WildB:
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Originally posted by Clyde Fultz III:
It seems in your copying and pasting, you forgot the last portion of a single verse

Did you not see the period?

The copy paste served the purpose.

Or must I copy and paste what happened to Saul/Paul when He seen the Lord in His Glory.

I think you need to stop your sillyness.


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Yes, I saw the period which indicated a stop to a sentence. But, if you wanted to imply that it was a piece of a complete thought, then perhaps you should have used 3 periods.
You do and shall copy and paste, so if that is your desire to copy and paste Paul, then more vainglory to you.
How is it sillyness to say that someone quoted only that which made their point all the more valid to themselves, when in the same breath of one sentence, their argument becomes null and void. I am sure know, from your past statements, that just mentioning a portion of a verse, even a theme, can lead to misunderstandings.
The way I understood your chopped verse was that John was unable to continue any further. But after having went and read the Word myself, I now understand that it was out of awe and not judgment that John fell down as though dead.

I am not arguing with you and sorrying if you took offense by a simple observation. But do you not think that your pushing others away because they disagree with you, instead of SHOWING THEM THE TRUTH, is getting kind of old. Is it not your place to shine a light so that others may see the Light? Or do you find joy in the mistreatment of others, like the Catholics, who disagree with you?

You, sir, need to learn how to communicate and understand that a disagreement is just a point of view. How do you expect to win souls when all you, and most of the older memebers here, puts a hand up to block a perceived onslaught? Have you ever stop to think that perhaps God has led the person here so that you and others can shine the light of Truth upon them?

Has anyone here wondered why no one comes here looking for the truth? Because they do not want to be condemned to Hell just because they do not know the truth.

Wake up people and get over your self-righteousness of rejection and lead others to the Truth. [/QB]

Sorry my friend,

There is no compromise with Truth.


And as for your 3 period logical dividing of the Word, let me say that I was once hurd it said that a monk on a arse did the dividing.

Every time the donkey stopped his quill made a mark.


Sometimes the A s s is smarter than the rider.


But your point is well taken.


When someone is not sowing weed seed they are greatly ministered to.


It is clear to all the difference,


Next!


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quote:
Originally posted by WildB:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Fultz III:
It seems in your copying and pasting, you forgot the last portion of a single verse

Did you not see the period?

The copy paste served the purpose.

Or must I copy and paste what happened to Saul/Paul when He seen the Lord in His Glory.

I think you need to stop your sillyness.


[cool_shades] [/QB]

Yes, I saw the period which indicated a stop to a sentence. But, if you wanted to imply that it was a piece of a complete thought, then perhaps you should have used 3 periods.
You do and shall copy and paste, so if that is your desire to copy and paste Paul, then more vainglory to you.
How is it sillyness to say that someone quoted only that which made their point all the more valid to themselves, when in the same breath of one sentence, their argument becomes null and void. I am sure know, from your past statements, that just mentioning a portion of a verse, even a theme, can lead to misunderstandings.
The way I understood your chopped verse was that John was unable to continue any further. But after having went and read the Word myself, I now understand that it was out of awe and not judgment that John fell down as though dead.

I am not arguing with you and sorrying if you took offense by a simple observation. But do you not think that your pushing others away because they disagree with you, instead of SHOWING THEM THE TRUTH, is getting kind of old. Is it not your place to shine a light so that others may see the Light? Or do you find joy in the mistreatment of others, like the Catholics, who disagree with you?

You, sir, need to learn how to communicate and understand that a disagreement is just a point of view. How do you expect to win souls when all you, and most of the older memebers here, puts a hand up to block a perceived onslaught? Have you ever stop to think that perhaps God has led the person here so that you and others can shine the light of Truth upon them?

Has anyone here wondered why no one comes here looking for the truth? Because they do not want to be condemned to Hell just because they do not know the truth.

Wake up people and get over your self-righteousness of rejection and lead others to the Truth.

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Fultz III:
It seems in your copying and pasting, you forgot the last portion of a single verse [/QB]

Did you not see the period?

The copy paste served the purpose.

Or must I copy and paste what happened to Saul/Paul when He seen the Lord in His Glory.

I think you need to stop your sillyness.


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quote:
Originally posted by GJPaul:
But please, stop bashing homosexuals, stop condemning women which have the right to decide themselves if they bring a child into this evil world, and stop aggressively recruiting the confused and weak into your faiths and all the falsehoods your faiths are.

Because he/she quoted the written Word of God, it is he and not God condemning those who openly oppose His command to be fruitful and multiply?
Because murdering is murdering under any colorful wording, you find it to be him comdemning, when all the while, it was God who said that you should not commit murder.
Your problem is not with those quoting the Word of God, but with God Himself.
As to you implying that one has to be weak-minded to be recruited into our faith(s), one has to be weak-minded and handed over to a reprobate mind to think that the universe is duel, when all-in-all it is in triunity. Whenever you leave one of the any three out of a trunity, then you have a straight line. And that line only leads to that which is not the original, a lie. But in a triunity, God being the pinnacle, one is always offered the path of correction which leads back to the truth.

Broad is that straight line, and many do walk upon it.

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quote:
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[QB] Much of my knowledges herein are not my possession alone, but occured in relation with the Holy Spirit God is

Do you have a new secretive knowledge that has not been told to us by God? Are you saying that things have changed and you have been appointed a "messenger"? Was not the last MESSENGER send by God the final Proclaimer of a new way of thinking?

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It is too much I suppose myself one of two appointed and predestined witnesses unto this last time, for that is always grandeurism to me, though I have lived a cursed life, and I am estranged from my generation, and I am nearly a virgin, and I have been priviledged, and I am a true witness of God and Heaven and Jesus, and the knowledges I herein offer are Holy and profound and timely, and I am furious.
You fool, you who has a mouth of a human, can you speak the direct words of God unadulterated? Can you call down fire from Heaven? You want to stand in witness against the doings of Satan, to proclaim the Holy God, but yet you seem to forget that you are a mere human. Cleanse your thoughts of such filth and proclaim your need of a Savior instead.

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I have been guided to understand some things no one else ever has.
What else is there to understand besides what God has deemed needed when He wrote the Bible through the Spirit? A pastor I know says he received new revelation, and now he is divorced and lives unmarried with another woman and new children, smokes weed, and yet he does not understand that adultery is wrong, and an altered state of consciousness is one of the devil's playgrounds. So tell me, is God's written Word not enough? Shall He continue revealing new things, when in Revelation, it is said to be the last? If you wish to have followers, then go to the Catholics, they are more willing to "blindly" follow any spirit.


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I was given to personally see/witness Jesus, and he was a handsome 30ish hebrew man...
Isa 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
Of course, we all know He died when He was 33.33 years old.

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17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead.
It seems in your copying and pasting, you forgot the last portion of a single verse

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quote:
Originally posted by GJPaul:
Much of my knowledges herein are not my possession alone, but occured in relation with the Holy Spirit God is.

It is too much I suppose myself one of two appointed and predestined witnesses unto this last time, for that is always grandeurism to me, though I have lived a cursed life, and I am estranged from my generation, and I am nearly a virgin, and I have been priviledged, and I am a true witness of God and Heaven and Jesus, and the knowledges I herein offer are Holy and profound and timely, and I am furious.

I have been guided to understand some things no one else ever has.

"The student is not above their teacher, but when fully taught will know as their teacher" - Jesus St. Luke6:40
- paraphrased, to extend it's scope to a somewhat more realistically attainable achievement.

I was given to personally see/witness Jesus, and he was a handsome 30ish hebrew man with a deep compassion upon his eyes. ( he was not of italian nor french etc features, as those invent him to appear, but very obviously HEBREW ! )
Jesus's appearance in my mind's arena carried it's own immediate confirmation that it was in Truth the real Jesus. )

'They that hath my commandments and keepeth them, they it is that loveth me, ...and I will love them and I will manifest myself to them' _ Jesus St. John 14:21

It is God's Holy remedy, if we want to make an arguement against this life, we must join Love, and we must refuse the earth the most we can.

This is the universal Holy war.

This is the why of Jesus and why He asks fellowship.

When all life departs materialism, explicit evil ceases to exist in the universe and evil becomes implicit again.

I ask you, and all, to join this Holy war.

Wow so you expect the baseball fans to fall for this sillyness?

Let me see the 1st thing that you would of seen was the holes in his feet for you surly would not be standing in his presence.

Lets read what John has to say about this.

Revelation 1

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.


17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead.

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WHY GOD WAITS
by Cornelius R. Stam

St. Peter was not wrong when he declared at Pentecost that the last days had begun (Acts 2:16,17). They had indeed begun, but God had a secret plan to give the world a period of grace before putting down its rebellion and sending Christ to reign.

This secret purpose concerning "the dispensation of the grace of God" is the subject of Paul's epistles. However, it is interesting to see how Peter's last message explains the reason for this interruption in God's prophesied program and the delay in Christ's return to reign. First, he says in II Peter 3:8:

"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years years as one day."

Mark well, this is not our feeble explanation now as to the delay in Christ's return. This statement was made at the beginning of this time of waiting, at the dawn of the age of grace. But let us go on with Peter's declaration:

"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise... but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance" (Ver. 9).

So the delay in Christ's return to judge and reign should not be counted "slackness" or laxness, but longsuffering. Thus the Apostle goes on to say:

"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation..."

Where did Peter get this information? How did he know about "the dispensation of the grace of God"? Verse 15 explains:

"Even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given unto him, hath written unto you."

To Paul particularly was committed "the gospel of the grace of God" which we proclaim today (Acts 20:24). Peter recognized this (Gal. 2:2,7,9), and closed his second epistle with the exhortation:

"But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" (II Pet. 3:18).

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quote:
Originally posted by GJPaul:
Much of my knowledges herein are not my possession alone, but occured in relation with the Holy Spirit God is.

It is too much I suppose myself one of two appointed and predestined witnesses unto this last time, for that is always grandeurism to me, though I have lived a cursed life, and I am estranged from my generation, and I am nearly a virgin, and I have been priviledged, and I am a true witness of God and Heaven and Jesus, and the knowledges I herein offer are Holy and profound and timely, and I am furious.

I have been guided to understand some things no one else ever has.

"The student is not above their teacher, but when fully taught will know as their teacher" - Jesus St. Luke6:40
- paraphrased, to extend it's scope to a somewhat more realistically attainable achievement.

I was given to personally see/witness Jesus, and he was a handsome 30ish hebrew man with a deep compassion upon his eyes. ( he was not of italian nor french etc features, as those invent him to appear, but very obviously HEBREW ! )
Jesus's appearance in my mind's arena carried it's own immediate confirmation that it was in Truth the real Jesus. )

'They that hath my commandments and keepeth them, they it is that loveth me, ...and I will love them and I will manifest myself to them' _ Jesus St. John 14:21

It is God's Holy remedy, if we want to make an arguement against this life, we must join Love, and we must refuse the earth the most we can.

This is the universal Holy war.

This is the why of Jesus and why He asks fellowship.

When all life departs materialism, explicit evil ceases to exist in the universe and evil becomes implicit again.

I ask you, and all, to join this Holy war.

You have been deceived GJPAUL and are a servant of deception, no different than Joseph Smith who experienced visitation by angels and even God the Father and God the Som in their physical bodies. No different than Ellen G. White who was shown Heaven by the angel with the Ark and the 4th Commandment shining forth, and the gates of heaven being closed. No different than the Prophet Muhammod who the angel appeared to and was given the Koran.

You are being led astray by demonic deception, no different than the millions of Catholics being led astray by the Marian visitations, and demonic manifestations. Signs and wonders, placing ones faith and trust in what is experienced, contrary to the Word of God.

You are deceived GJPAUL. Not one Believer will follow you nor will they give heed to demonic deceptions.


2 Cor. 11:
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

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Much of my knowledges herein are not my possession alone, but occured in relation with the Holy Spirit God is.

It is too much I suppose myself one of two appointed and predestined witnesses unto this last time, for that is always grandeurism to me, though I have lived a cursed life, and I am estranged from my generation, and I am nearly a virgin, and I have been priviledged, and I am a true witness of God and Heaven and Jesus, and the knowledges I herein offer are Holy and profound and timely, and I am furious.

I have been guided to understand some things no one else ever has.

"The student is not above their teacher, but when fully taught will know as their teacher" - Jesus St. Luke6:40
- paraphrased, to extend it's scope to a somewhat more realistically attainable achievement.

I was given to personally see/witness Jesus, and he was a handsome 30ish hebrew man with a deep compassion upon his eyes. ( he was not of italian nor french etc features, as those invent him to appear, but very obviously HEBREW ! )
Jesus's appearance in my mind's arena carried it's own immediate confirmation that it was in Truth the real Jesus. )

'They that hath my commandments and keepeth them, they it is that loveth me, ...and I will love them and I will manifest myself to them' _ Jesus St. John 14:21

It is God's Holy remedy, if we want to make an arguement against this life, we must join Love, and we must refuse the earth the most we can.

This is the universal Holy war.

This is the why of Jesus and why He asks fellowship.

When all life departs materialism, explicit evil ceases to exist in the universe and evil becomes implicit again.

I ask you, and all, to join this Holy war.

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quote:
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Paul is talking directly to you GJPAUL:

Galations 1:
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

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Paul is talking directly to you GJPAUL:

Galations 1:
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

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quote:
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There is neither honesty nor fairness in you to push-out all those scriptual quotes against me when infact you neither respect nor accept the very words of Jesus, which both ask and require ALL genuine supporters/believers/followers to take-up his Law and Cross.

As I see it, the books of the N. T. you use to foundation your protestant faiths were added into the N. T. after the main books, and their authors were in allegiance with Paul and NOT Jesus. Infact, the views and opinions of Paul and allies directly oppose Jesus. You exploit those so you yourselves can also avoid Christ's Cross and Laws.

( Those books impersonate the language and attitudes of the original books of the Gospels and such to compel acceptance of their messages, yet have NOT the genuine sincereity nor virtue the genuinely devoted followers of Jesus wrote the legitimate testaments to be and possess. )

If you haven't the Heart to join Jesus in this Holy war for the sake of the good of Heartful and sincere and kind and shy and honest and modest and innocent and such, against the earth and all it's savagry and sicknesses and harms and crimes and injustices, so be it.

But please, stop bashing homosexuals, stop condemning women which have the right to decide themselves if they bring a child into this evil world, and stop aggressively recruiting the confused and weak into your faiths and all the falsehoods your faiths are.

We receive every jot and tittle of the very Word of God and UNLIKE you we do not reject those scriptures which are inconvenient to your error.

We follow the whole counsel of God, and there is no conflict between what the Apostle Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit wrote and taught and what the other Apostles under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, wrote and taught of the teachings and words of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The Lord Jesus revealed the Mystery of the Church, His Body and His Bride, through Paul, and in rejecting the Pauline Epistles you GJPAUL are rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ as revealed in His Word.

You are in error, are a false teacher and NOTHING you post will be received by Believers and we will always stand against your heresy.

Peter spoke of you GJPAUL:

2 Peter 3:
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

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If you truly knew Christ, you would know that Paul and Christ were in agreement. Because you do not know Christ, the writings of Paul are a thorn to you. Seek God with all your heart and He will show you the truth.
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There is neither honesty nor fairness in you to push-out all those scriptual quotes against me when infact you neither respect nor accept the very words of Jesus, which both ask and require ALL genuine supporters/believers/followers to take-up his Law and Cross.

As I see it, the books of the N. T. you use to foundation your protestant faiths were added into the N. T. after the main books, and their authors were in allegiance with Paul and NOT Jesus. Infact, the views and opinions of Paul and allies directly oppose Jesus. You exploit those so you yourselves can also avoid Christ's Cross and Laws.

( Those books impersonate the language and attitudes of the original books of the Gospels and such to compel acceptance of their messages, yet have NOT the genuine sincereity nor virtue the genuinely devoted followers of Jesus wrote the legitimate testaments to be and possess. )

If you haven't the Heart to join Jesus in this Holy war for the sake of the good of Heartful and sincere and kind and shy and honest and modest and innocent and such, against the earth and all it's savagry and sicknesses and harms and crimes and injustices, so be it.

But please, stop bashing homosexuals, stop condemning women which have the right to decide themselves if they bring a child into this evil world, and stop aggressively recruiting the confused and weak into your faiths and all the falsehoods your faiths are.

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quote:
Originally posted by GJPaul:
Ok, as I predicted, you are whole-Heartedly stubborn in your misguided faith, and I have said all that needs be said in the means for the defence of humankind. You have made your choice and I mine, and time will prove which of us are most true. If you won't join to fight and refuse the earth, so be it.

Farewell you foolish Hearts.

Our faith is in Christ alone for our salvation. Jesus God the creator who became flesh and dwelt among us, Who by keeping His Law perfectly became the perfect sacrifice for all sin, BUT REDEEMER for ONLY those who will receive Him.

Those who reject Christ stand already condemned.

John 3:
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The entire Bible is the Word of God and absolutely true. When you bring teaching which is contrary to the Word of God, then you bring error and false teaching.

When you reject the parts of the Word of God which you disagree with, such as the Pauline Epistles, then you have rejected God's Truth, and bring error.

God's Creation was perfect in its physical materialism. It was in Adam's sin that perfection became imperfection, and that which God declared to be "GOOD", became corrupt.

God did NOT create homosexuality, and He has declared it to be sin, along with all other acts of iniquity, rebellion against God. You cannot justify homosexuality, nor can you declare it to be "good" without being against the Word of God.

Romans 1:
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


You cannot teach when you bring error, and what you bring will not be received.

Repent GJPAUL, lay aside this false teaching and open your heart to Christ and turn to the Word of God, and the Word Who is God, the Creator, manifest in the flesh, and returning soon for His Bride the Body of Christ.

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16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..

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bye-bye

My hope is built on nothing less
Than Jesus’ blood and righteousness.
I dare not trust the sweetest frame,
But wholly trust in Jesus’ Name.

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On Christ the solid Rock I stand,
All other ground is sinking sand;
All other ground is sinking sand.

When darkness seems to hide His face,
I rest on His unchanging grace.
In every high and stormy gale,
My anchor holds within the veil.

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His oath, His covenant, His blood,
Support me in the whelming flood.
When all around my soul gives way,
He then is all my Hope and Stay.

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When He shall come with trumpet sound,
Oh may I then in Him be found.
Dressed in His righteousness alone,
Faultless to stand before the throne.

Refrain

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Ok, as I predicted, you are whole-Heartedly stubborn in your misguided faith, and I have said all that needs be said in the means for the defence of humankind. You have made your choice and I mine, and time will prove which of us are most true. If you won't join to fight and refuse the earth, so be it.

Farewell you foolish Hearts.

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Betty Louise :

Gay...

Of obvious fact, for those very very few which seek real moral knowledge.

Our sexuality is our means to continue in this mortal life, yet such continuance also continues our harms and offences and crimes. In this, heterosexuality holds both positive and negative meanings ( is both good and evil ). One virtue in such hetero relations is it's bonded union of the 2 opposites which compose the universe altogether and provide for all life to exist.

Homosexuality is repulsed by the opposite gender, yet it's inherent infertility/sterility does NOT add to continue and perpetuate humankinds harms and crimes on the earth. Of this, it too has both positive and negative meanings ( is both good and evil ), yet as it seperates from the dualism of universe, and all that is life needs that duality, it fails to serve the continuance of life.

Even so, how a christian which professes God the author of creation and humankind could dispute God's will and choice to include the homosexual genders in this life defies common sense.

No, I'm not gay... but I am sexually abstinant, and have been for over 25 yrs, though I inherited a handsome face and would have had no trouble finding a spouse.

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quote:
Originally posted by GJPaul:
It does seem to me, if we want to make an arguement against this life, we must join Love, and we must refuse the earth the most we can.

This is why Jesus asks fellowship.

God's Law given on Sinai was fulfilled in Christ, when He declared "It is finished".

The Law of Christ goes far beyond the OBSOLETE commandments and ordinances given to the Jews for the Jews, and no longer applicable for believers.

When we are born again we become the Body of Christ and the Bride of the Bride Groom, the Lamb of God and the Lion of the Tribe of Judah.

Jesus was fully man and fully God, and He selected Paul to be an Apostle.

Paul's writings are JUST as valid as the writings of the other Apostles, who recorded the teachings of Jesus, for it is the same God the Holy Spirit Who gave all remembrance and all truth to each.

It is through the Apostle Paul that the Lord Jesus Christ reveals the Mystery of the Church, which is God within us.

Col. 1:
25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

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