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Carol Swenson
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[thumbsup2] Good observations Marlene and Thunderz7!

There is an interesting study about the number three in the Bible at biblestudy.org. Here is part of it:

As we have in the number one the sovereignty of the one God; and in two the second person, the Son, the great Deliverer; so in "three" we have the third person, the Holy Spirit, marking and completing "the fulness of the Godhead." This word "fulness" is remarkable, occurring only three times, and in connection with the Three Persons of the Trinity:

Ephesians 3:19, "The fulness of God. "
Ephesians 4:13, "The fulness of Christ."
Colossians 2:9, "The fulness of the Godhead."

The "fulness" was manifested visibly in Christ, and is communicated by the Holy Spirit, for it is a fulness of which we receive by His mighty power (John 1:16).

This is why Abraham brought "three measures of meal" for his heavenly guest. This is why "three measures of meal" formed the great meal offering; because it set forth the perfection of Christ's perfect and Divine nature. In Leviticus no particular quantity of meal was prescribed, but in Numbers 15:9, we read,

"Then shall he bring with the bullock a meal offering of THREE tenth deals of flour."

This was the measure for the whole burnt offering, and also for great special occasions such as the New Moon and the New Year, etc. It was also the special measure for the cleansing of the leper (Leviticus 14:10). The poor leper had several gracious blessings beyond others. He alone was favoured with the anointing which was given only to the Prophet, Priest, and King! He alone had the priestly consecration. It is sinners who are now singled out from the mass of those who are lost, and dead in trespasses and sins, to be anointed with the Spirit, and made, in Christ, kings and priests unto God.

But there is more in these "three measures of meal." We have them in the parable (Matthew 13:33), pointing to Christ in all the perfection of His person and His work, when He said, "Lo, I come to do Thy will, O God." There are different opinions about the "leaven," but what is the "meal." This is the point on which the interpretation turns. According to the popular interpretation, this pure "meal" is the corrupt mass of mankind, and the defiling "leaven" is the pure Gospel of Christ! Was there ever such an exhibition of man's perversity in calling sweet bitter, and bitter sweet? Was there ever such a proof that man's thoughts are contrary to God's? No! the "three measures of meal" point us to the perfections of Christ and the purity of His Gospel. And the hidden "leaven" points us to man's corruption of the Truth. A corruption for which we have to look, not after the third century, but in the first!

No leaven could be put into any sacrifice or offering made by fire to the LORD, because in Christ was no sin; therefore, there was to be no leaven. He was, in Himself, "a sweet savour to Jehovah."

True, in one offering there was leaven. But mark the difference and the lesson. In Leviticus 23 we have a list of the Feasts:--

1st. The Passover (v 5), on the 14th day.

2nd. The wave-sheaf of firstfruits on the morrow after the Sabbath (v 11), which might be burnt on the altar as a sweet savour (Leviticus 2:14-16), because unleavened.

3rd. Then (50 days after) the oblation of the first-fruits at Pentecost (vv 15-17). This might not be burnt on the altar (Leviticus 2:12), because it was mixed with leaven!

In the antitype of this we see Christ:--

1st. Christ our Passover sacrificed for us.

2nd. As the wave-sheaf of first-fruits, He was raised from the dead and became the first-fruits of them that slept (1Corinthians 15:20), for in Him there was no sin (and hence no leaven).

3rd. Then, after fifty days, on the Feast of Pentecost came the oblation of the first-fruits in the descent of the Holy Ghost; for "we are a kind of first-fruits of His creatures" (James 1:18). But His people are not without sin, therefore this oblation had leaven mixed with it. It could not be offered to the LORD as a "sweet savour" (Leviticus 2:12). It was accepted only because a sin-offering was offered with it (Leviticus 23:18,19), and the Priest waved all together for a wave-offering before the LORD.

This proves that the "leaven" is a type of error, evil, and sin. While the "three measures of meal" with which it was mixed and hidden typified the truth and purity of Christ and His Truth, and not the corrupt mass of mankind amongst whom it was introduced. The popular interpretation reverses the types of the meal and the leaven, and makes the leaven that which is good, and the meal that which is evil. But the great Teacher made no such mistake. "Church doctrine" is not "Bible truth," but it is leavened meal.

The number three, therefore, must be taken as the number of Divine fulness. It signifies and represents the Holy Spirit as taking of the things of Christ and making them real and solid in our experience. It is only by the Spirit that we realise spiritual things. Without Him and His gracious operation, all is surface work: all is what a plane figure is to a solid (John 3:6). He it is who has wrought all our works in us, and by whom alone we can serve or worship (John 4:24).


http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/3.html

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A lot of people consider the “tri” or number three to represent something that is holy. In fact, it is symbolic of completeness, as in “completeness in the trinity”.

God's attributes are three: omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence.

Time itself is divided into three: past, present and future.

When we turn to the Scriptures, this completion becomes Divine, and marks Divine completeness or perfection

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1-the universe is not dual = it is tri - time, space, matter

2-man is not dual, soul/body = man is tri- spirit/soul/body

3-GOD is not dual = HE is tri

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If the forum says Christian, don't expect the people to welcome unChristian beliefs, or unknown morality.

Actually, we hope you will come to faith in Christ and be spared the wrath of God.

You are attributing His works to human intellect or other gods, or the universe itself.

"...the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools.... Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator...." (Romans 1:18-25)

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)

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OK, I've tryed, but I'm finished here. You're mind's are psychotic
and you're demonically malicious.

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I see a ban on the horizon

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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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The Holy Bible does not say that creation is eternal. The very first line in the Bible states:

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Adam and Eve were perfect before they sinned, but they did not have eternal life.

Genesis 2:16-17
The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.

That's why they were exiled from the Garden BEFORE they could eat from the Tree of Life.

Genesis 3:22-23
Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"--

therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken.


In your profile where it asks if you are male or female, you answer "None of your business."

Guess you are NOT perfect.

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Or

if God is perfect and Adam and Eve were made by God,
before they entered into 'sin' they MUST have been perfectly
righteous and MUST have known eternal life...

eternal life is NOT possible in the realm of matter...matter is
defined directly opposite to eternal and all composed
of matter had a beginnng and has an end...for creation to have
been made, it must have once not existed...it must be limited
and NOT eternal !

Christian scripture is NOT perfect

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quote:
Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
Exodus 20:1,3
I am the LORD your God...you shall have no other gods before Me.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

John 1:1-4
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.


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2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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You agreed to these rules when you registered as a member of the Christian BBS. How can you talk about Truth when you are a liar?

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You may not promote any cult or false religions such as Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormonism, Scientology, Wicca, etc... If you do there will be no warning and you will be removed from this message board. This is not debatable.



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When would it be the terrible and ugly hardened and closed-minded
and sick evil american protestant faith has become will be humbled
with regret and change. You savagely attack all which dispute your
views, and in all this you yourself infact don't know what awaits
you after the earth. You believe, but you don't know.

Every honest, healthy person admits the responsibility for Truth,
and when Truth is not certain, they respect and serve there's
the basis for doubt. To refuse to do so implies intense fear,
and fear in mind and Heart is a severely crippling thing.

Now I well understand protestants are lead to believe belief
is absolutely essential for their avoidance of Jesus's horrible
punishments, (you do decide Jesus is God, right) and so
you've been rather forced into belief, but the facts remain.
We can't see what lay in our future and we can't prove what
right and wrong is with any amount of significant detail;
No one knows how God would judge us.

There is a very obvious distinction between knowledge
and opinion, likewise between knowledge and belief.
This does not say some opinions would not in time prove
out to be right or true, but for now they must serve the room
for doubt. Righteousnes requires this, and the honest admit that
Likewise for belief.

If you decide to refuse these Truths, why would you join with
Jesus...Jesus dedicated his life to love and righteousness.

I'm asking you to remember your responsibilty to God's
living family...not merely your own self-concern and fears.
I'm inviting you to open your Heart and mind to the idea
your version of faith has some mistakes...and to take-up
action now to reverse the very seriously wrong obsession
of holding belief to be absolute truth. It's NOT !

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Owee a DNA puppet.


[cool_shades]

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That is all.....

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Betty:
You are very very far removed from health.
Christian Scripture is not perfect, and your version
of faith has mislead you...

It's vitally important you understand the facts (known Truths)
have entirely greater priority over the dogma of scripture, no
matter whose scripture it is...Islamic or Christian or whosever.

Truth is both a Holy virtue and Holy empowerment and Holy duty.
They with sincere belief in Christ surely enter into righteousness;
(self-denial and perfection), and are provided an ongoing assistance,
with an immediate Holy increase in one's Vision (inner-eye prominance
and clarity) of Truths, and Peace of self and Compassion of Heart.
Also, a rich variety of sacred insights and answers and benefits.
The NT's gospels Jesus names these as pearls, and are part of
the lasting real wealth God gives.

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Gregory,

If you do not accept the truth that we are born sinners and we need the saving grace of Jesus Christ, you will spend eternity in hell. We are not born saved nor does the Holy Spirit indwell in the body of sinners. Realize your need of forgiveness, cry out to God in repentance of your sins and accept Jesus as your Savior and Lord are you will spend eternity in hell regretting your desire to forsake salvation for theology that is odds with the Bible.
betty

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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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The universe is a dualist composition of opposites, and we
too are of such opposites; our outer and inner self, our body
and soul. Though unable of material proofs, the 'soul' is real and
we can perceive into the realm of the eternal via our inner self.
St.Luke17:21 "The realm and person and society of God is
within yourself" is a subtle directing for where to begin that
relationship. Self denial and righteousness is the 'mystical key'
which opens that doorway. I well know about this fact, as did Krishna, Jesus and Buddha.

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As a Christian, I fully believe Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. That being said, I believe in absolute truth. Your philosophy seems to be New Age thought of the divine reincarnation. Please look around you and the world events how strikenly familiar it aligns with the prophecies of the bible.

On the day Jesus was baptised by his counsin John the Baptist, The heavens opened up and the Father said this is my son in whom I am well pleased, thus being said the Holy Spirit descended on Jesus appearing as a dove.

This is the trinity.

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Universal salvation is a lie from the pit of hell. The Bible teaches a real heal were sinners will go.
betty

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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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Betty is telling you the truth. There is no "perpetual life, death, and rebirth."

It is appointed unto man once to die, and then comes judgment.

Jesus died for your sins so you could receive salvation and eternal life as a gift from God if you will accept Him as your Savior and Lord.

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I noticed you listed your self as somewhat saved. There is no somewhat saved. Just as you cannot be half pregnant, you cannot be half saved. Jesus will either take all of you or none. I encourage you to accept Jesus as your Savior and Lord. Heaven and hell are real places and you will not spend eternity half in one and half in the other.

betty

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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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Exodus 20:1,3
I am the LORD your God...you shall have no other gods before Me.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

John 1:1-4
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.

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The pre-matter universe was a oneness of dualist
meaning, being the all of being and non-being.
Each meaning depends the other for continuance,
and this forms it into a perfect moral being.
It's natural will is for creation and life, and
all life will know perpetual life, death,and
rebirth, saving those which take-up harmless life
(perfection)or another bears their debts. None
can accuse it's evil killing life-order,for every
negative meaning is met by an equal positive.

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The left is concern for others and the right is
self-concern.

There's no such thing as a wealthy liberal !
The true left dedicates itself to the needs of
others and always keeps a very very very modest
self-concern.

Though the duty to others infringes upon the
rights of self and the right abandons love for
others, the center will never provide for mutual
welfare as materialism forces all into savage and
cruelcompetition and pyramids. We are trapped on
this planet, unable of ourselves to resolve our
social ills and injustices.

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Have you ever had any priest or minister show you
these Truths before ? None of those know such
things....yet it is time these are revealed.

I am the prophecied estranged misfit, and though
unappointed, of my own choice I take up this
work. Though my book of debts is long, I am a
priviledged and taught student of sincere Heart
and rebellious courage. Of my own learning and
choice, I submit to no church, save Truth and
Heart, and I stand in faith and purpose with Love
and Righteousness.

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