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Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
I guess barry is trying to tell us something about himself. He sure enjoys rolling around in this mud.

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Originally posted by Caretaker:
Brother Paul's letters stand against you Barry just as they did against the Judaizers/Legalists when he first wrote them. The early Church was being infiltrated by the false teaching of demanding the followers of Christ to keep the Law of Moses, and as he says it is flesh and if you keep one of the Laws you must keep them all.

No matter how many times you spam the same wrong message, the Flock of God hear the Shepherd's Voice and are justified solely through Christ, not through Christ coupled with the OBSOLETE Law of Moses.

Paul's teaching shows you to be in error Barry.

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d. Beware of dogs is a harsh reference to the troublemaking legalists who were attempted to deceive the Philippians. Dogs is exactly the term of contempt Jews would used towards Gentiles. Paul says a lot by using it of these Jewish-influenced legalists.

i. Muller quoting Lightfoot: "The herds of dogs which prowl about Eastern cities, without a home and without an owner, feeding on the refuse and filth of the streets, quarreling among themselves, and attacking the passer-by, explain the applications of the image."

e. Beware of evil workers: This describes both what these legalists do (working evil), but also a slap at their emphasis on righteousness with God by works. Paul will allow that they have a concern for works, but they are evil workers!

f. Beware of the mutilation: Here is another harsh reference to the insistence of these Jewish legalists on circumcision for Gentiles. All with the idea that someone must become a Jew first before they can become a Christian.

i. However, Paul does not see their insistence on circumcision as something beautiful or noble; he regards it as an ugly example of mutilation.

ii. Martin on the mutilation: "By a pun, he mockingly calls it a mere cutting, katatome, i.e. mutilation of the body on a par with pagan practices forbidden in Leviticus 21:5."

2. (3) Paul defines the true circumcision.

For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh,

a. For we are the circumcision: These Jewish legalists considered themselves the ones truly circumcised and right with God. But Paul says that he and his followers are the true circumcision.

b. Who worship God in the Spirit: This defines the true circumcision. They worship God in the Spirit, as opposed to the fleshly and external worship emphasized by these legalists.

c. The true circumcision are also the ones who rejoice in Christ Jesus. Their joy is not found in their own ability to be justified by the law or by their law-keeping. Jesus and Jesus alone is their joy.

d. The true circumcision are the ones who have no confidence in the flesh. They do not trust in their own ability to be righteous before God through external works, but their only confidence is in Jesus.

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Pigs love to roll around in mud puddles, but lambs have no business being near mud puddles! Therefore, if you claim to be a lamb, do what lambs do. Don't act like a pig. Lambs are humble and they like to stay clean. Lambs are most comfortable when they are laying on clean straw in a clean stable. But a pig will always return to the mud puddle, because pigs love mud! The mud puddle is home to a pig. And a clean stable with fresh pasture is home to a lamb because a true lamb hates filth! No true lamb would willfully roll in a mud puddle and no pig would be satisfied without a mud puddle. Neither does a shepherd attend to pigs. A shepherd attends to lambs because lambs are dependent on the shepherd. But pigs are solitary in nature. They would never stay in a "herd" because pigs care only for themselves. Likewise a pig would never follow a shepherd, because pigs are not followers, rather they are roamers, and they roam wherever their own hearts lead them. But a lamb follows. A lamb is dependent on a shepherd. A lamb loves his shepherd and recognizes the shepherds voice. A lamb obeys the shepherd's call. Let us all follow our shepherd, YHWH, by striving to follow all of His Laws, without deviating to the left or to the right, without adding, subtracting, or changing His Laws in any way!

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Pigs love to roll around in mud puddles, but lambs have no business being near mud puddles! Therefore, if you claim to be a lamb, do what lambs do. Don't act like a pig. Lambs are humble and they like to stay clean. Lambs are most comfortable when they are laying on clean straw in a clean stable. But a pig will always return to the mud puddle, because pigs love mud! The mud puddle is home to a pig. And a clean stable with fresh pasture is home to a lamb because a true lamb hates filth! No true lamb would willfully roll in a mud puddle and no pig would be satisfied without a mud puddle. Neither does a shepherd attend to pigs. A shepherd attends to lambs because lambs are dependent on the shepherd. But pigs are solitary in nature. They would never stay in a "herd" because pigs care only for themselves. Likewise a pig would never follow a shepherd, because pigs are not followers, rather they are roamers, and they roam wherever their own hearts lead them. But a lamb follows. A lamb is dependent on a shepherd. A lamb loves his shepherd and recognizes the shepherds voice. A lamb obeys the shepherd's call. Let us all follow our shepherd, YHWH, by striving to follow all of His Laws, without deviating to the left or to the right, without adding, subtracting, or changing His Laws in any way!

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