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barrykind
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Betty you said:

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You have no right to question what Messiah I serve. I serve the Jesus of Matthew, Mark, John, and the rest of the Bible.
To question my faith is presumptuous at the least and unacceptable in any case. My salvation is between me and Jesus. I do not worship or serve you, Barry. I serve the God of Abraham, the God of Paul and my Lord and Savior. Just because you worship on Saturday does not make you superior to others and that is exactly what you think your are.
It comes out any time you get upset.
I DON'T CARE what day you worship. BUT DON'T YOU DARE QUESTION WHAT MESSIAH I WORSHIP. I can assure you that I do not think Sunday worshipers or better then Saturday. But it all comes down to legalism. When you are legalistic you become prideful. You begin to think your works makes your salvation better then others. I have lived around legalistic Christians all my life and they are all prideful and place more emphases on what they do and not do and less on the truth that we as Christians, are all sinners saved by Christ
betty

What in the world are you talking about????

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You have no right to question what Messiah I serve. I serve the Jesus of Matthew, Mark, John, and the rest of the Bible.
To question my faith is presumptuous at the least and unacceptable in any case. My salvation is between me and Jesus. I do not worship or serve you, Barry. I serve the God of Abraham, the God of Paul and my Lord and Savior. Just because you worship on Saturday does not make you superior to others and that is exactly what you think your are.
It comes out any time you get upset.
I DON'T CARE what day you worship. BUT DON'T YOU DARE QUESTION WHAT MESSIAH I WORSHIP. I can assure you that I do not think Sunday worshipers or better then Saturday. But it all comes down to legalism. When you are legalistic you become prideful. You begin to think your works makes your salvation better then others. I have lived around legalistic Christians all my life and they are all prideful and place more emphases on what they do and not do and less on the truth that we as Christians, are all sinners saved by Christ
betty

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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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Here's some info to support a 30AD crucifixion.

The Temple Veils were 60 feet long, 30 feet wide, and the thickness of the palm of a man’s hand, wrought in 72 squares. They were so heavy that we are told 300 priests were needed to manipulate each one. The Veil being rent from top to bottom was such a terrible portent because it indicated that God’s Own Hand had torn it in two, His Presence thus deserting and leaving that Holy Place.

Says the Jewish Talmud in Yoma 39b of the events which occurred in 30 A.D.:

“Forty years before the Temple was destroyed [i.e., 40 years before 70 A.D., or in 30 A.D.] . . .the gates of the Hekel [Holy Place] opened by themselves, until Rabbi Yohanan B. Zakkai rebuked them [the gates] saying, Hekel, Hekel, why alarmist thou us? We know that thou art destined to be destroyed...”

http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/mysteriousevents.html

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thanks Sister...

The above information is a hard study; but im still checking out lots of the info..

Barry

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Armstrong started the 72 hour / Wednesday crucifixion idea. Now all these splinter groups are teaching his stuff. It's a shame.

If you can prove the year then you'll be the first man in history to do so. Everything has been tried from Daniel's 70 weeks, to calendar converters, to calculating lunar cycles. The best evidence I've seen was a document about the veil being torn in two.

Good luck Bro

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In This document we are going to attempt to clarify what Year Christ died based on strongest witnesses in History, Scripture, and prophecy. Jesus made a promise to us in scripture. He said if we build our foundation on solid ground, we will not be easily shaken.
It’s time to trust in Jesus words to see what we come up with.
Defining the Passover
Before we can talk intelligently about the Passover and determine what year he died we must learn a little bit about the Passover and about the Sabbath day.
Here is the law regarding the Passover Sabbaths
Leviticus 23:4-8
4 ‘These are the feasts of the LORD, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times. 5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.’”
When the Passover Sabbath started, the first and last day of this week celebration are regarded like an actual 7th day Commandment Sabbath that no work is to be done. As you can see this is confirmed in scripture. There are two things to consider here. First being that the Passover Sabbath would have been preceded by a preparation day since it was regarded like a seventh day Sabbath. A seventh Day Sabbath too would have been preceded by a preparation day so that no work would be done on the Sabbath day. Here are scriptures to verify this claim.
Matthew 27:62
[ Pilate Sets a Guard ] On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate,
Mark 15:42
[ Jesus Buried in Joseph’s Tomb ] Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath,
Luke 23:54
That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near.
John 19:14
Now it was the Preparation Day of the Passover, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, “Behold your King!”
John 19:31
[ Jesus’ Side Is Pierced ] Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
John 19:42
So there they laid Jesus, because of the Jews’ Preparation Day, for the tomb was nearby.
2 Chronicles 35:6
So slaughter the Passover offerings, consecrate yourselves, and prepare them for your brethren, that they may do according to the word of the LORD by the hand of Moses.”
2 Chronicles 35:16
So all the service of the LORD was prepared the same day, to keep the Passover and to offer burnt offerings on the altar of the LORD, according to the command of King Josiah.
Matthew 26:17
[ Jesus Celebrates Passover with His Disciples ] Now on the first day of the Feast of the Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying to Him, “Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?”
Matthew 26:19
So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them; and they prepared the Passover.
Mark 14:12
[ Jesus Celebrates the Passover with His Disciples ] Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they killed the Passover lamb, His disciples said to Him, “Where do You want us to go and prepare, that You may eat the Passover?”
The scripture you just read seems to contradict what Leviticus 23:4-8 says about the Passover. The first day of unleavened bread is the 15th day of the first month. Jesus died on the 14th day.
Mark 14:16
So His disciples went out, and came into the city, and found it just as He had said to them; and they prepared the Passover.
Luke 22:7-8
Then came the Day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover must be killed. And He sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat.”
Here we have another possible contradiction to the way the Passover was described in Leviticus 23:4-8 This implies the day of Unleavened bread had arrived or he was being Figurative.
Luke 22:13
So they went and found it just as He had said to them, and they prepared the Passover.
I’m mainly showing that Scripture does show that the 14th day of the first month is a preparation day which is the day of the Lord’s Passover which precedes the Ceremonial Sabbath where no work is to be done.
This next scripture is in reference to preparing for the Seventh day Sabbath. There are many more but they are long and drawn out. As long as we realize that the 7th Day Sabbath is also preceded by a preparation Day. We will do well in this study.
Exodus 16:5
And it shall be on the sixth day that they shall prepare what they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.”
Now that we have learned the basics about the Passover Here is the forth commandment that shows why the 7th Day Sabbath is so I’m portent and why it would be preceded by a preparation day.
Exodus 20:8
8 “ Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
To summarize this Section; you have a seventh day Sabbath that the Lord our Creator made for us in Genesis during creation week, defined in the Ten Commandments. In this commandment you find God’s signature Seal signing his law just as our president would sign law today. Look for name, title, and property. (Lord, Made=creator, Heaven and earth)
We also learned that the Passover was an 8 day event starting with the Passover preparation meal, followed by Seven days of Feasting where the first and last day of the feast are a holy convocation to the lord where no work is to be done on them. They are much like that of the Seventh day Sabbath.
Two more important things to point out about the Passover, is that it would occur on the 14th day of the first month of the Jewish year (day before the full moon). Jewish months started with the new moon and the 15th of Nissan (first Passover Sabbath) would fall in conjunction with the full moon.
The last point to make regarding Passover is that it started at twilight. The reason for the twilight starting point has to do with the creation week. When God created the Earth the Evening and the Morning were the first day. Scripture repeats this for all 7 days of creation so in Jewish times the new day started in the evening hours at sunset.
This tradition still continues today in Jerusalem and also for the Christians who keep God’s Commandments and Sabbath day.
What Year Did Christ Die?
This is where we are going to hold Jesus to his promise about building a foundation on solid Ground. Let’s see what testimonies can be shaken.
33 AD Witnesses
The year that most people agree on is 33 AD since it supports a Friday Death and Sunday Resurrection. Does this testimony have solid ground to back it? The bible says that Christ was 30 years old when He started his ministry
Luke 3:23 NKJV
Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, the son of Heli,
Bible Scholars place Christ at the age of 33 ½ years old when He died. If 33 AD is the correct year which is the only year to support a Friday Death and Sunday Resurrection based on Jewish traditions of how the Passover was held in accordance with the lunar cycle.
Lets start by looking at some Calendar Evidence illustrating this point.
On this Calendar the Passover would have started at sunset the Day before 1 April 33 based on the way the Jewish people Kept time according to Genesis Where God said the Evening and morning make the day. In Jewish time the Evening was the start of a new day.
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« April 0033 »
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Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday
1
Erev Pesach 2
Pesach I
3
Pesach II 4
Pesach III (CH''M) 5
Pesach IV (CH''M) 6
Pesach V (CH''M) 7
Pesach VI (CH''M) 8
Pesach VII 9
Pesach VIII
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17
Rosh Chodesh Iyyar 18
Rosh Chodesh Iyyar 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30

So far At this point we see nothing wrong with this theory if Christ died on a Friday. Scripture however lists Kings in power both at the time of Christ’s Birth, Baptism, and death.
Matthew 2:1
Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem,
By this testimony we know that Jesus was born before Herod Died. What does history tell us about the death of King Herod?
The scholarly consensus, based on Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews is that Herod died at the end of March or early April in 4 BC. Josephus wrote that Herod died 37 years after being named as King by the Romans, and 34 years after the death of Antigonus.[10] This would imply that he died in 4 BC. This is confirmed by the fact that his three sons, between whom his kingdom was divided, dated their rule from 4 BC. For instance, he states that Herod Philip II's death took place after a 37-year reign in the 20th year of Tiberius, which would imply that he took over on Herod's death in 4 BC.[11] In addition, Josephus wrote that Herod died after a lunar eclipse,[12] and a partial eclipse[13] took place in 4 BC. It has been suggested that 5 BC might be a more likely date[14] — there were two total eclipses in that year.[15][16] However, the 4 B.C. date is almost universally accepted.[17]
Josephus wrote that Herod's final illness was excruciating (Ant. 17.6.5). From Josephus' descriptions, some medical experts propose that Herod had chronic kidney disease complicated by Fournier's gangrene.[18] Modern scholars agree he suffered throughout his lifetime from depression and paranoia.[19]
After Herod's death, his kingdom was divided among three of his sons, namely Herod Archelaus, Herod Antipas, and Herod Philip II, who ruled as tetrarchs rather than kings.

Here we seem to have a pretty Good account of history Backed by lunar events which are quite accurate at narrowing down certain time periods. Knowing that Herod Died in 4 BC we know Christ had to have been born sometime either during this year or sometime before this year 5 BC. If this is So Then Christ would have had to be almost 36-37 years of age when he died. 33 AD cannot be the Year Christ died just based on this evidence. What is interesting is that this is the only year that supports a Friday Death and Sunday resurrection which all denominations on earth teach today! You could try for 36AD but then Christ is hitting 40 years old. Not likely either.
Understanding BC to AD Calculations
If your probably wondering why I added a + 1 in the math computation? One must do this when calculating accurately from a BC date to an AD date since the Gregorian calendar does not have a zero year. If you took the same Equation and did not put a – sign before the 4 BC it would be calculated like this: -4BC+ 33years = 29 +1=-30AD. Some theorize Christ to be 34 years old when he died. -5BC+ 34= 29+ 1= 30 AD If Christ was 34 and born in 4 BC then 31 AD would be the year of Death. We will examine 31 AD after explaining BC to AD calculations.
If you’re wondering why a + one numerical value needs to be added to the end result, it is because the Gregorian calendar does not have a zero year.
To illustrate this: 3BC 2BC 1BC 1AD 2AD 3AD 4AD 5AD 6AD 7AD
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
If I were born in 3 BC and lived to be 7 years old what year did I die? First count this out with your finger and see what you come up with. You should have gotten 5 AD since 3 BC is your zero year of birth, or start year. Now let’s use our Calculator and see if we get 5 AD.
-3BC+7 years = 4AD? This is why a plus one must be added when calculating from BC to AD. Now let’s see it with all the correct steps. -3BC + 7 = 4AD + 1 = 5 AD
There is a reason why I’m sharing this with you so you can see and Validate for yourself the Prophecy time line charts that will be referenced later in this study.
31 AD Witnesses
Moving on to 31 AD since it is a disputed year by theologians. If this year is built on the testimony of Jesus as the correct year, It will not be easily disproven. Since some theologians agree or dispute that Christ was possibly 34 years old when he died this could be a credible year. Let’s Start with Calendar evidence to see if it is supported by the lunar cycle based on the traditions of the Passover. To define the Passover we will look to scripture.
Here is the law regarding the Passover Sabbaths
Leviticus 23:4-8
4 ‘These are the feasts of the LORD, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times. 5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.’”
Keep in mind that Even though the 24th by account of this calendar is the 14th of Nissan
the Passover meal would have began at Sunset on the 23rd.
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« March 0031 »
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Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday
1
Shabbat Parah
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
Shabbat HaChodesh
9 10
New Moon 11
Rosh Chodesh Nisan 12
2nd Nissan 13
3rd Nissan 14
4th Nissan 15
5th Nissan
16
6th Nissan 17
7th Nissan 18
8th Nissan 19
9th Nissan 20
10th Nissan 21
11th Nissan 22
Shabbat HaGadol
23
13th Nissan 24
14th Nissan
Ta'anit Bechorot
Erev Pesach 25
15th Nissan
Full moon
Pesach I 26
Pesach II (CH''M) 27
Pesach III (CH''M) 28
Pesach IV (CH''M) 29
Pesach V (CH''M)
30
Pesach VI (CH''M) 31
Pesach VII

Immediately I See A major problem with this year. One being that the Passover does not Fall on Friday as it should if Christ died on a Friday and rose on a Sunday as all churches teach today. Just in Case this Calendar is just plain wrong, Lets look at a lunar Calendar.
Calendar for year 31 (Israel)
January February March
Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30 31 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
1 2 3
4 5 6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19 20 21 22 23 24
25 26 27 28 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
1 2 3
4 5 6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19 20 21 22 23 24
25 26 27 28 29 30 31
5: 12: 19: 27: 3: 10: 18: 26: 5: 12: 19: 27:
14th on Nissan on a Monday
In 31 AD How did Christ Die
On a Friday?

April May June
Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
3: 10: 18: 25: 2: 10: 18: 25: 31: 8: 16: 23: 30:

The only discrepancy between the lunar calendars and the Hebrew calendar is the placement of
the Numerical dates. The weekly cycle and lunar cycle are unaffected by the Gregorian medaling
of the calendar since the Full moon occurs on a Tuesday for each calendar leaving the 14th of
Nissan falling on a Monday. The 15th of Nissan always fell on the day of the Full moon. The 14th
of Nissan is exactly 14 Days Passed the New moon.
Here is a sky view picture of what the Moon would have looked like in the early morning hours of 27 March 31. The view is a snapshot as seen from Virtual Telescope View of Jerusalem in 31 AD. The link for this site is as seen below. It accurately portrays the positions of the planets and phases of the moon for any year, day with in a year and location on the earth.
http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Yoursky
The screen shot Validates that the lunar Calendar is a more accurate calendar in accordance with the way time is kept today. Per the Gregorian Calendar days on the lunar calendar VS the calendar days listed on the Jewish Calendar. Main point to remember is that the week cycle and where the position of the moon is placed are both in agreement. The week cycle and lunar cycle are in agreement on both calendars.
The point being made here is this. Lunar cycle accuracy and week cycle not being compromised since the time of Christ Death shows that 31 AD is not the correct year of Christ’s death. We know why people look to 33 AD as the Year of Death since it supports a Friday Death and Sunday Resurrection based on the lunar cycle in accordance with the way the Passover Celebration was held. So if the lunar Cycle does not Fit 31 AD why so much persistence that it is the correct year?
Some Say Scripture and prophecy place it in this year. If so Then why is this testimony Shaky?
Lets Take a look at the person who placed it in this year and see why he says prophecy places it in 31 AD.
Examining William Miller’s 2300 day prophecy calculations
I had to review William Millers work regarding the 2300 day prophecy since the start date of this prophecy would also determine the correct start date of the 70 Weeks prophecy which foretold the year of the Coming of the Messiah as well as the Death and resurrection year.
What I find interesting about this Testimony is that he basis the 457 BC date on the Testimony of the Cannon of Ptolemy. The Cannon of Ptolemy’s accuracy is based on lunar accuracy and if this is solid evidence then Millers testimony should be sound including 31 AD. Why is there A discrepancy of lunar evidence regarding the week cycle for 31 AD concerning how it’s believed the Passover played out? We will answer this question further on.
What I find interesting about Millers Testimony is that when he Calculated, He did not use the BC to AD math formula one must use to correctly go from BC to AD. You will see an example of this after reading this testimony. More than that He started on the wrong year for King Artixerxes Rise to power. I’ll explain more on this when we get to the Canon of Ptolemy.
Note: The testimony highlighted in red is the testimony of the site where I pulled Millers study
My commentary will be in Blue color font.
William Miller's 2300 Day Prophecy
The Spirit of Prophecy Volume Four pg. 493

Note 1. Page 206.--William Miller's views as to the exact time of the Second Advent were based on the prophecy of Dan. 8:14: "unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." that a day in symbolic prophecy represents a year, see Num. 14:34; Eze. 4:6. As the period of 2300 prophetic days, or literal years, extended far beyond the close of the Jewish dispensation, it could not refer to the sanctuary of that dispensation. Mr. Miller held the generally received view that in the Christian age the earth is the sanctuary, and hence concluded that the cleansing of the sanctuary brought to view in Dan. 8:14 represented the purification of the earth by fire at the second coming of Christ. The point from which to reckon the 2300 days is found in Dan. 9:24-27, which is an explanation of the vision of chapter 8. It is stated that 70 weeks, or 490 years, are determined, literally, cut off, as specially pertaining to the Jews. The only period from which the 70 weeks could be cut off is the 2300 days, that being the only period of time mentioned in the vision of chapter 8. The 70 weeks must therefore be a part of the 2300 days, and the two periods must begin together. The 70 weeks are declared by the angel to date from the going forth of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem. If, then, we can correctly locate this commandment, we have the starting-point for the great period of the 2300 days. The Bible furnishes us with four tests by which we may determine when the true date is found:--
1. From the time the commandment was given, 49 years were to witness the completion of the street and wall of Jerusalem. Dan. 9:25.
2. Threescore and two weeks from this time, or, in all, 69 weeks, 483 years, were to extend to Messiah the prince, or to the anointing of Christ by the Holy Spirit at his baptism, the word Messiah signifying anointed.
3. Sixty-nine and a half weeks were to extend to the crucifixion,--the cessation of sacrifice and oblation in the midst of the week. Verse 27.
4. The full period of 70 weeks was to witness the complete confirmation of the covenant with Daniel's people. At the termination of this period, the Jews having ceased to be God's chosen people, the gospel would be preached to the gentiles.
In the seventh of Ezra we find the decree which we seek. It was issued by Artaxerxes, king of Persia, B.C. 457. In Ezra 6:14 the house of the Lord at Jerusalem is said to have been built "According to the commandment [margin, decree] of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia." the three kings did the one work; it was begun by Cyrus, carried forward by Darius, and completed by Artaxerxes. The scripture counts this action one decree. That the later decrees were a continuation or completion of that of Cyrus, see Ezra 6:1-14. Taking B.C. 457 as the date of the commandment, every specification of the prophecy concerning the 70 weeks is fulfilled. That the reader may see the reasonableness of Mr. Miller's position on the prophetic periods, we copy the following, which was published in the Advent Herald, Boston, in March, 1850, in answer to a correspondent:--
"It is by the canon of ptolemy that the great prophetical period of the seventy weeks is fixed. This canon places the seventh year of Artaxerxes in the year B.C. 457; and the accuracy of the canon is demonstrated by the concurrent agreement of more than twenty eclipses. The seventy weeks date from the going forth of a decree respecting the restoration of Jerusalem. There were no decrees between the seventh and twentieth years of Artaxerxes. Four hundred and ninety years, beginning with the seventh, must commence in B.C. 457, and end in A. D. 34. Commencing in the twentieth, they must commence in B.C. 444, and end in A. D. 47. As no event occurred in A. D. 47 to mark their termination, we cannot reckon from the twentieth; we must therefore look to the seventh of Artaxerxes. This date we cannot change from B.C. 457 without first demonstrating the inaccuracy of Ptolemy's Canon. To do this, it would be necessary to show that the large number of eclipses by which its accuracy has been repeatedly demonstrated, have not been correctly computed; and such a result would unsettle every chronological date, and leave the settlement of epochs and the adjustment of Eras entirely at the mercy of every dreamer, so that chronology would be of no more value than mere guess-work. As the seventy weeks must terminate in A. D. 34, unless the seventh of Artaxerxes is wrongly fixed, and as that cannot be changed without some evidence to that effect, we inquire, what evidence marked that termination? The time when the Apostles turned to the gentiles harmonizes with that date better than any other which has been named. And the crucifixion, in A. D. 31, in the midst of the last week, is sustained by a mass of testimony which cannot be easily invalidated
As the 70 weeks and the 2300 days have a common starting-point, the calculation of Mr. Miller is verified at a glance by subtracting the 457 years B.C. from the 2300. Thus,
2300
457
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1843 A. D.
But it requires 457 full years before Christ, and 1843 full years after Christ, to make the 2300. Now the decree of Artaxerxes did not go into effect at the beginning of the year 457 B.C., but in the autumn of that year; it follows that the 2300 days would not terminate in 1843, but would extend to the autumn of 1844. This is plainly seen by the following simple diagram:--
457. 2300. End of 1843.
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Decree given. 2300. Days end in 1844.
My testimony in Blue color Font.
Did anybody else notice he did not use the BC to AD calculator formula?
This is how his figures should look according to what the correct way to calculate from BC to AD to compensate for the lack of a zero year in the Gregorian Calendar. The Time line he is presenting if Calculated correctly would put you in 1844 for the first time line he presents. The second time line if he is able to get a whole other year by simply starting in the fall of the same year, then his second time line would be 1845. This looked shady to me. If this error could go unchecked for this many years then maybe he also made an error in determining 457 BC out of the Cannon of Ptolemy. We will cover that soon enough. If the above formula was the formula used by William Miller He would have been incorrect since he did not compensate for the lack of a zero year in the Gregorian Calendar. This is what his calculations should have looked like
457


1844


2300 years


2300
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1843 A. D Looks like he forgot to give himself a plus one.


-457BC+2300=1843+1=1844

Looks like William Miller should have Gotten 1844 in the first place and based on his theory of the fall season adds one year, this would have led him to 1845. This is not where the root of the problem lies. It’s in the Testimony of Ptolemy which he used to Calculate a start date of 457 BC for His calculations. I’m not saying the Canon of Ptolemy is incorrect just that he didn’t interpret it correctly. We will cover the Cannon of Ptolemy soon. So far the information for 1844 and 31 AD are looking like shaky testimony not built on a solid foundation.

His testimony continues below.
This fact not being at first perceived by Mr. Miller and his associates, they looked for the coming of Christ in 1843; hence the first disappointment and the seeming delay. It was the discovery of the correct time, in connection with other scripture testimony, that led to the movement known as the Midnight Cry of 1844. And to this day the computation of the prophetic periods placing the close of the 2300 days in the autumn of 1844, stands without impeachment.
Then the question arises, if Wm. Miller's calculation of time was correct, whence his disappointment? This was due to his mistake as to the event. The prophecy says, "Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the Sanctuary be cleansed." Mr. Miller and his associates failed to understand the subject of the sanctuary and its cleansing. Here was the secret of their disappointment. For a brief explanation of this important point, showing what is the sanctuary, and how its cleansing--beginning at the termination of the 2300 days in 1844--fulfills the prophecy of Dan. 8:14, see Chapter xviii., entitled "The Sanctuary."
Another question then arises: "If he was mistaken in the event, was not his whole work an error?" that does not follow. The disciples of Christ were utterly mistaken when he rode into Jerusalem, and they hailed him as a king with tokens of victory. They thought he was then to be crowned a king on David's throne. But it was not an error in them to act according to their belief; in so doing they fulfilled the prophecy of Zech. 9:9, which they would not have done if they had realized that he was going to judgment and to death. But that scripture must be fulfilled, if it were necessary to make the stones cry out. Luke 19:37-40. In like manner it appears that Mr. Miller and his associates fulfilled prophecy, and gave a proclamation (see Rev. 14:6, 7) which they would not have given had they understood that yet other proclamations were to be made before the Lord should come. Rev. 14:8-14.
Note 2. Page 225.--That a wrong use is often made of the text (Matt. 24:36), is evident from the context. One question of the disciples was concerning the sign of Christ's coming and of the end of the world. This question Jesus answered. In verse 29 he gave signs, and said, "when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors." verse 33. One saying of the savior must not be made to destroy another. Though no man knoweth the day nor the hour, we are instructed and required (for it is in the imperative) to know when it is near, even at the doors. And we are further taught that it will be as fatal to us to disregard his warning, and refuse or neglect to know, as it was for those who lived in the days of Noah not to know when the flood was coming. Verses 37-39. And Verses 44-51 show in what light Christ, when he comes, will regard and reward those whom he finds watching and teaching his coming, and those denying it. "Blessed are those servants, whom the Lord when he cometh shall find watching." Luke 12:37.
Note 3. Page 228.--the story that the Adventists made robes with which to ascend "to meet the Lord in the air," was invented by those who wished to reproach the cause. It was circulated so industriously that many believed it; but careful inquiry proved its falsity. For many years a large reward has been offered for proof that one such instance ever occurred; but the proof has not been produced. None who loved the appearing of the savior were so ignorant of the teachings of the scriptures as to suppose that robes which they could make would be necessary for that occasion. The only robe which the saints will need to meet the Lord will be that of the righteousness of Christ. See Rev. 19:8.
Note 4. Page 241.-- The year 1843, during which Adventists at first expected the coming of Christ, was regarded as extending to the spring of 1844. The reason for this, briefly stated, is as follows: anciently the year did not commence in mid-winter, as now, but at the first new moon after the vernal equinox. Therefore, as the period of 2300 days was begun in a year reckoned by the ancient method, it was considered necessary to conform to that method to its close. Hence, 1843 was counted as ending in the spring, and not in the winter.
Now that we have reviewed what is taught in Adventist Theology we need to take a look at the Testimony of Ptolemy’s Cannon.
Area of interest Highlighted in red; pay close attention to what is written in the red. This documents own testimony declares that a kings year of Dating could be off by up to a year since a king who died would have had his name carried until the new year. Ezra would not have included the testimony of Ptolemy when saying the decree of Artaxerxes Went forth in the 7th Year of his rein. Ezra knew the correct year Artaxerxes rein began and said correctly that the decree went forth in the seventh year. A year of Speculation does exist by this documents own admission. It is possible that the decree went forth in 458 BC. Now lets see why; keeping in mind that this list has incredible accuracy validated based on lunar events making it strong testimony to what will be the correct year for the decree of Artaxerxes.
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Ptolemy's Canon
Fantasy Portrait of Ptolemy of Alexandria. Ptolemy's Canon: list of rulers of ancient Babylonia and the Near East, used by the astronomer Ptolemy of Alexandria to date astronomical phenomena.
Before the Christians, who wanted a correct computation of the Easter date, created a common era for the study of chronology, people used regnal years or lists of eponymous magistrates to date events. For example, the Bible mentions that the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar captured Jerusalem 'in his eighteenth year as king', and Julius Caesar defeated the Helvetians when Lucius Calpurnius Piso and Aulus Gabinius were consuls. Modern scholars, employing the common era, call these years 587/586 and 58 BCE (or BCE).
The astronomer Ptolemy of Alexandria, who lived in the second century CE (or AD, used the system of regnal years and has handed down to us an important list of kings. It is called the Canon and has been preserved in several astronomical texts by later authors, which usually continue the list up to their own time. Because they were only interested in dating astronomical phenomena, kings who died during a certain year were usually allowed to give their name to the entire year, and the next ruler is supposed to have ascended to the Babylonian throne on the first day of the new year. (Kings who reigned for less than one year are ignored.)
This brief document, which is based on astronomical information from ancient Babylon, is still the backbone of the chronology of the ancient Near East. Its essential correctness has been corroborated by the Uruk King List, the Astronomical Diaries, and Egyptian data (like dated papyri). Here are the forty-three first names of Ptolemy's list (different colors indicate the Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Macedonian, and Ptolemaic kings):
Name (Ptolemy) Name (modern) Regnal
years Dates in our era
(simplified) Dates in our era
1 Nabonassaros Nabû-Nasir 14 747-734 27 February 747 - 22 February 733
2 Nadios Nabû-nadin-zer 2 733-732 23 February 733 - 21 February 731
3 Chinzer and Poros Tiglath-Pileser III 5 731-727 22 February 731 - 20 February 726
4 Iloulaios Šalmaneser V 5 726-722 21 February 726 - 19 February 721
5 Mardokempados Marduk-apla-iddina II 12 721-710 20 February 721 - 16 February 709
6 Arkeanos Sargon II 6 709-704 17 February 709 - 14 February 704
7 Without kings [1] 2 704-703 15 February 704 - 14 February 702
8 Bilibos Bêl-ipni 3 702-700 15 February 702 - 13 February 699
9 Aparanadios Aššur-nadin-šumni 6 699-694 14 February 699 - 12 February 693
10 Rhegebelos Nergal-ušezib 1 693 13 February 693 - 11 February 692
11 Mesesimordakos Mušezib-Marduk 4 692-689 12 February 692 - 10 February 688
12 Without kings [2] 8 688-681 11 February 688 - 8 February 680
13 Asaradinos Esarhaddon 13 680-668 9 February 680 - 5 February 667
14 Saosdouchinos Šamaš-šuma-ukin 20 667-648 6 February 667 - 31 January 647
15 Kineladanos Kandalanu 22 647-626 1 February 647 - 26 January 625
16 Nabopolassaros Nabopolassar 21 625-605 27 January 625 - 20 January 604
17 Nabokolassaros Nebuchadnezzar II 43 604-562 21 January 604 - 10 January 561
18 Illoaroudamos Amel-Marduk 2 561-560 11 January 561 - 9 January 559
19 Nerigasolassaros Neriglissar 4 559-556 10 January 559 - 8 January 555
20 Nabonadios Nabonidus 17 555-539 9 January 555 - 4 January 538
21 Kyros Cyrus the Great 9 538-530 5 January 538 - 2 January 529
22 Kambysos Cambyses II 8 529-522 3 January 529 - 31 December 522
23 Dareios the First Darius I the Great 36 521-486 1 January 521 - 22 December 486
24 Xerxes Xerxes I 21 485-465 23 December 486 - 16 December 465
25 Artaxerxes the First Artaxerxes I Makrocheir 41 464-424 17 December 465 - 7 December 424
26 Dareios the Second Darius II Nothus 19 423-405 8 December 424 - 1 December 405
27 Artaxerxes the Second Artaxerxes II Mnemon 46 404-359 2 December 405 - 20 November 359
28 Ochos Artaxerxes III Ochus 21 358-338 21 November 359 - 15 November 338
29 Arogos Artaxerxes IV Arses 2 337-336 16 November 338 - 14 November 336
30 Dareios the Third Darius III Codomannus 4 335-332 15 November 336 - 13 November 332
31 Alexandros the Macedonian Alexander the Great 8 331-324 14 November 332 - 11 November 324
32 Philippos [3] Philip III Arridaeus 7 323-317 12 November 324 - 9 November 317
33 The other Alexandros Alexander IV 12 316-305 10 November 317 - 6 November 305
34 Ptolemaios, son of Lagos Ptolemy I Soter 20 304-285 7 November 305 - 1 November 285
35 Philadelphos Ptolemy II Philadelphus 38 284-247 2 November 285 - 23 October 247
36 Euergetes Ptolemy III Euergetes 25 246-222 24 October 247 - 17 October 222
37 Philopator Ptolemy IV Philopator 17 221-205 18 October 222 - 12 October 205
38 Epiphanes Ptolemy V Epiphanes 24 204-181 13 October 205 - 6 October 180
39 Philometor Ptolemy VI Philometor 35 180-146 7 October 180 - 28 September 146
40 Euergetes the Second Ptolemy VIII Euergetes 29 145-117 29 September 146 - 20 September 117
41 Soter Ptolemy IX Soter 36 116-81 21 September 117 - 11 September 81
42 Dionysos Neos Ptolemy XII Auletes 29 80-52 12 September 81 - 4 September 52
43 Kleopatra Cleopatra VII Philopator 22 51-30 5 September 52 - 30 August 30
Note 1:
Marduk-zakir-šumi and Marduk-bêl-iddin were not recognized by the Babylonians.
Note 2:
Sennacherib, who had destroyed Babylon, was not recognized.
Note 3:
Ptolemy writes: "the Philip who came after the Alexander who founded

By this documents testimony you can have almost up to a numerical year date placement error since the dying king would claim the continuation of his rein until the new year; even though the next king would have been in power that same numerical date year. If Xerxes I died in 465 then the Rein of Artaxerxes would have began that same year, even though he was not credited this year. Interesting note: It appears the column on the Far right does give him credit for 465 BC. See below
24 Xerxes Xerxes I 21 485-465 23 December 486 - 16 December 465
25 Artaxerxes the First Artaxerxes I Makrocheir 41 464-424 17 December 465 - 7 December 424

The years presented in the Cannon state that Artaxerxes remained in power from 464-424 BC. The book of Ezra states that the decree of Artaxerxes went forth in the 7th year of Artaxerxes rein. 464BC – 7 = 457BC. This is what The Adventist church has in Doctrine today.
If King Artaxerxes came to power in 465 BC upon the death of the prior king, but was not credited this year since it was still given to the prior king, then the 465BC date -7 years = 458 BC. This would be the correct year to calculate both the 70 weeks prophecy and the 2300 Day prophecy. This is what is stated in the Canon that I highlighted in Red.
Now lets use the Correct formula to calculate the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel.
-458 + 2300 = 1842 + 1 = 1843. This by all prophetic accounts would be the year the 2300 day prophecy was fulfilled and the Sanctuary was cleansed. See prophecy time line 30 AD power point presentation slide 6 and 7.
Let’s use the same calculator formula with the Correct 458 BC date to calculate the first 69 weeks when the Messiah was said to come.
-458BC + 483 years = 25 + 1 = 26 AD. This would be the year the Messiah was baptized.
Let’s calculate the Year of birth based off this date and the scripture that stated Christ was about 30 when he started his ministry.
26 AD – 30 = -4 -1= -5 BC If your wondering why I calculated a minus one on this calculation is due to calculating from AD to BC in reverse of the formula we talked about at the beginning. In the beginning we were calculating from BC to AD. Since we calculated into the negative years (BC) you have to subtract a negative numeral to gain one year.
The Messiah was to be cut off in the midst of the 70th week; 3 ½ years later bringing us to 30 AD. The 70th week would have ended in 33 AD giving you the Year of Stephens Stoning and the time that the Message of the Messiah would be delivered to the Gentiles.
See Prophecy Time Line 30AD slide 6 and 7 for an illustration of this. We will attempt to calculate the day of Baptism when we get to 30 AD.
William Miller either missed this possibility or when he first calculated came to a year that had already passed. Since the Messiah had not come, He speculated as we see in the above document. This would have thrown off many if they trusted that his calculations were not in error. At the time William Miller thought the 2300 day prophecy foretold the Second coming of the Messiah and if the Date had passed with out the Messiah’s coming; He left the testimony as is and reasoned on the symbolism of the heavenly sanctuary.
I’m not sure if any one after him has gone back to check not only his work but review the Cannon of Ptolemy since the Cannon makes it clear that a king would have risen to power in the year of the prior kings death. It seems clear that there is no truth in prophecy, lunar accuracy, math computation or scripture to support 31 AD.
If one is to consider the lunar accuracy of dates based on well documented lunar events verifying the placement of dates in the cannon of Ptolemy, but also recognize that there is room for up to a year of Error since a kings name took title to that year until the New Year even after he died. It appears the testimony presented regarding 31 AD and 1844 are not as solid as previously thought. 31 AD not being the correct year since the 14th of Nissan, neither falling on a Friday or Wednesday, based on lunar cycle and week cycle as strong testimony that this is not the correct year.
There is nothing concrete to state other wise and accuracy of Prophecy does not place it in 31 AD. To say that the lunar cycle or the week cycle is compromised, would be to say that Satan has power over what God instituted. Since God established both the week cycle and lunar cycle; Satan only has the power to change the perception of the things God has instituted by diluting truth with error. This is what makes the bible a light unto the world. It defines our perception which in turns our reality of what is happening in the world around us.
To present this testimony in this manner is surprising to me since I was baptized in an Adventist Church in my youth. I was however baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and therefore I must worship God in spirit and in truth as God said his people would worship him. I do want to say that it is only this study so far that I find flaw in; regarding William Miller’s theological studies. Because his testimony on the 2300 day prophecy ending in 1844, and the 70 weeks prophecy placing the death of the Messiah in 31 AD are shaky, it is not built on the testimony of Jesus Christ or there would be no flaw.
In this next section we will attempt to show with out a shadow of doubt that prophecy points to 30 Ad and it will be witnessed by another Old Testament Prophet.
Examining witnesses for 30 AD
This Section is going to delve into a lot of scripture and I will be very critical of this year since this is the year that seemed to have the soundest foundation so far, since calculated prophecy and the lunar accuracy of the Cannon of Ptolemy from the last section pointed us to this year. The Ezekiel prophecy also points us to 30AD by symbolically turning over in the Siege of Jerusalem Prophecy. See 30 AD prophecy time line slide 2,3,4,5 and 6 for this section of study. The slide show week prior to death also goes along with this section.
Before we get to the scriptures lets take a look at the Calendar year in question.
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This Calendar shows the 14th of Nissan falling on a Wednesday, Not a Friday. Could this be a Calendar Error? Lets See the lunar Calendar that was used to show the week cycle and lunar cycle preserved in the last section.
. Calendar for year 30 (Israel)
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14th Of Nissan on Wednesday
How did Christ Die on a
Friday? This day allows for
Messiah to be in tomb for
3 days and nights per scripture
,prophecy and lunar cycle
Evidence. 6: 13: 21: 28: 4: 11: 19: 27:

This Lunar Calendar Seems to Validate the Jewish calendar that was just presented. As before the numerical dates differ, but the week cycle and lunar cycle are preserved perfectly between the Jewish calendar and Lunar Calendar in reference with the lunar cycle. The interesting thing to note is that this year also does not have the 14th of Nissan Falling on a Friday? Is this a problem? Not really, this is why!
All the scriptures talking about the day Jesus Died state very clearly that Jesus Died on a preparation day, NOT a Friday. What is amazing about this year is that you have two Sabbaths that would have occurred during the time Jesus was in the tomb. What you have with this year is a Preparation day/High Sabbath/Preparation Day/7th day Sabbath/first day of the week. See week prior to Death time line for illustration of this on slide 5.
I am aware that many have stated in the Past that a High day was a seventh day Sabbath falling in conjunction with a Ceremonial Passover Sabbath but this interpretation is only supported if Christ died on a Friday. The problem is that this scenario would have only occurred in 33 AD. We sufficiently ruled out 33 AD. Based on the Fact, that Mathematically, Christ would have been 37 years old when he died.
Some have claimed that the bible does not give any other scripture that defines the High day, but they are mistaken. The High Sabbath according to the Gospels was the 15th of Nissan. Looking to Old Testament Scripture, This is what I found.
Numbers 33:3 KJV
And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the morrow after the Passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians.
Exodus 14:8 KJV
And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursued after the children of Israel: and the children of Israel went out with an high hand.
Here you have a symbolic term being used in direct reference to the day commemorated by the Passover celebration regarding the 15th of Nissan. There are other verses of this type in reference to the 15th of Nissan in the KJV but they use the same word as all modern day bibles today. They use the phrase “mighty hand of God”.
Was this symbolism almost lost to history, but by the power of God’s influence preserved to be discovered in this study? Quite Possibly! Do these two Verses define the only Verse in the Entire bible that talks of a HIGH DAY?
John 19:31
Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
If this is the correct definition of a High Day being symbolic of the HIGH hand of God to deliver his people from bondage and slavery; then a HIGH day would have occurred every year on the 15th of Nissan; first full moon of the Jewish Calendar year.
Looks like it’s time to get deep into the scripture portion of this study to show that this year actually has a solid foundation. You will need the time line titled week prior to death containing the 4 slides showing a time line of events leading to the Passover from each of the four Gospels. The 5th slide will show an accurate account of the Death and resurrection as it would have occurred in 30 AD allowing for the Messiah to be in the Tomb 3 days and 3 nights.
Week Prior To Death
I remembered reading from Scripture that prior to the Passover 6 days had transpired and were recorded in the 4 gospels. I realized that if this were the case there should be evidence of a Sabbath day sometime in that six days of recorded events. As I searched all four gospels I found no mention of a Sabbath day occurring in the week of records prior to the death of Christ even though there should have been.
I decided to Plot the events from Each Gospel as accurately as I could on the week prior to death time line. Knowing for Fact that Christ died on the Passover preparation Day, I was able to correctly place the days of the week according to the day of Nissan that each event would have fallen on for the disputed years of 30,31,33 AD per the lunar calendars and Jewish calendars.
If 33 AD was the correct year of Christ death. This would have allowed for a Friday Death and Sunday resurrection. Christ would have been in the Tomb for one day time period and one and a half night time periods. This does not fulfill prophecy.
If 31 AD Was the Correct year then the Seventh day Sabbath would be on a Tuesday if you believe the day Christ died was on a Friday. This would also be to say that the lunar cycle has changed and the week cycle as well. Basically the bible is lying to you, the calendars are lying to you, and the moon is lying to you and there is nothing consistent that God instituted so one would have to claim that Satan has power over God to change what God made. Satan only has the ability to change perception. Causing us to believe the lie. This is exactly what has happened since for many centuries now we have thought that Jesus Fell short of his prophecy and thought this was ok.
If 30 AD is the correct year then truth in perception is now being restored since Christ spent 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb not falling short of his promise by so much as a half of a night cycle. The 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel puts the death and resurrection in this year and the Jewish Passover tradition allows for the Messiah to have been in the tomb for the full duration of the Prophecy concerning his death.
Chronological order; time missing between events.
My other findings while doing the time line was that even though the apostles listed events in a chronological order. In some testimonies the passage of time was left out.
The example I like to give is the cursing of the fig tree. One apostle has the group of men on their way to Jerusalem from Bethany. Christ wanted a Fig and the tree was barren. So God cursed the tree. The next day they were passing by the same way and the apostles noticed that the tree had withered.
Another Apostle tells the story like this. Jesus cursed the fig tree and immediately it withered.
This is important because it shows the figurative nature of the men who testified as they were recalling the events they could remember. What is also significant about the fig tree testimony is that it illustrates that two separate events divided by a day by one apostles account, could appear as though they happened on the same day immediately, by another apostles account.
The reason I’m bringing this up is this.

Luke 23:54-56 NJKV
54 That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near.
55 And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid. 56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.
This Three verses of Scripture have been used for centuries to declare that there is no way Christ was in the tomb for more time than Friday to Sunday. Now knowing that duration of Time between chronological events is missing from apostles testimony and this being the only testimony of the 4 gospels of it’s kind. You can see verse 54 and 55 happening on the first preparation day (Wednesday). Verse 56 would have occurred on the Friday preparation day just before the Seventh day Sabbath. On the Friday preparation day, the ladies would have returned to the tomb to finish preparing the left over spices that did not get used out of Nicodemus 100LBS Bag since the body was buried in such a hurry.
Lets take a look at each account according to the 4 gospels.
Matt
57 Now when evening had come, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who himself had also become a disciple of Jesus. 58 This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be given to him. 59 When Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60 and laid it in his new tomb which he had hewn out of the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the door of the tomb, and departed. 61 And Mary Magdalene was there, and the other Mary, sitting opposite the tomb.
They were at the tomb when it was closed. Surely they knew the body had some spices placed with it. As the book of John testifies.
Mark:
42 Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath, 43 Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, coming and taking courage, went in to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. 44 Pilate marveled that He was already dead; and summoning the centurion, he asked him if He had been dead for some time. 45 So when he found out from the centurion, he granted the body to Joseph. 46 Then he bought fine linen, took Him down, and wrapped Him in the linen. And he laid Him in a tomb which had been hewn out of the rock, and rolled a stone against the door of the tomb. 47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses observed where He was laid.
Luke:
50 Now behold, there was a man named Joseph, a council member, a good and just man. 51 He had not consented to their decision and deed. He was from Arimathea, a city of the Jews, who himself was also waiting[o] for the kingdom of God. 52 This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. 53 Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before. 54 That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near.
55 And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid. 56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.
John:
38 After this, Joseph of Arimathea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly, for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus; and Pilate gave him permission. So he came and took the body of Jesus. 39 And Nicodemus, who at first came to Jesus by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds. 40 Then they took the body of Jesus, and bound it in strips of linen with the spices, as the custom of the Jews is to bury. 41 Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42 So there they laid Jesus, because of the Jews’ Preparation Day, for the tomb was nearby.
The Matthew Account implies that the ladies were at the Tomb at the time the Stone had been rolled into place so surely they had seen the Body being wrapped in linen with some of the spices that Nicodemus brought to the tomb. Could it be that it was so close to sunset that they did not get to do the spice job they wanted to do? If so then the ladies would have returned on the preparation day after resting on the High day; Prepared the spices and oils there at the tomb or purchased spices on the Friday preparation day since this would have been lawful to do. Then resting before the Sabbath as commanded (7th day Sabbath)
In knowing there were two preparation days and two Sabbaths in 30 AD, I can see where Gentiles not being familiar with Jewish Customs would have not understood this and lost this to history very quickly. Even worse cause them to delete portions of the holy testimony It’s for this very reason that the book of Nicodemus is not in the bible, but we will review his first person account of these events later in this document.
New Addition: I was researching further the lost/banned books of the bible and while reading the The Gospel of The Perfect Life / Holy (12) Twelve which can be found at this link.
http://reluctant-messenger.com/lost_forgotten_books.htm
I found a powerful testimony in scripture that was allegedly preserved in a monastery in the far east. This testimony is as follows.
• Lection LXXXIII
• The Burial Of Jesus
• 1. NOW, when the even was come, Joseph of Arimathea, an honourable councillor, who also waited for the Kingdom of God, came and went in boldly unto Pilate and craved the body of Jesus. (He was a good man and just, and had not consented to the council and deed of them).
• 2. And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead, and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead. And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.
• 3. And there came also Nicodemus, who at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred weight. Then took they the body of Jesus and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.
• 4. Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid. There laid they Jesus therefore, and it was about the beginning of the second watch when they buried him, because of the Jews’ preparation day, for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.
• 5. And Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid. There at the tomb they kept watch for three days and three nights.
• 6. And the women also, who came with him from Galilee, followed after, bearing lamps in their hands and beheld the sepulchre and how his body was laid, and they made lamentation over him.
• 7. And they returned and rested the next clay, being a high day, and on the day following they bought and prepared spices and ointments and waited for the end of the Sabbath.
• 8. Now the next day that followed, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, saying, Sir we remember that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
• 9. Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day be past, lest his disciples come by night and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead, so the last error shall be worse than the first.
• 10. Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch, go your way, make it as sure as you can. So they went and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone and setting a watch till the third day should be past.
This information has been updated on the “week prior to death” time line and is presented on slide 7
Who was figurative Prophecy or Apostles?
Now that a sufficient explanation exists for one testimony that has been credited to be the strongest testimony regarding a Friday Death and Sunday Resurrection lets examine these scriptures.
Most people pick and choose through these scriptures Below to see what Apostle had the stronger testimony completely ignoring the Testimony of Jesus and accuracy of prophecy. The reason I am presenting all scriptures is to definitively discern that there are minor discrepancies in apostles testimony and prophecy cannot have discrepancy.
Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Matthew 17:22
22 Now while they were staying[f] in Galilee, Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is about to be betrayed into the hands of men, 23 and they will kill Him, and the third day He will be raised up.” And they were exceedingly sorrowful.
Matthew 20:18-20
18 “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death, 19 and deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock and to scourge and to crucify. And the third day He will rise again.”
Matthew 26:61
and said, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and to build it in three days.’”
Matthew 27:40
and saying, “You who destroy the temple and build it in three days, save Yourself! If You are the Son of God, come down from the cross.”
Matthew 27:63
saying, “Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise.’
Matthew 27:64
Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night and steal Him away, and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”
Mark 8:31
And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
Mark 15:29
And those who passed by blasphemed Him, wagging their heads and saying, “Aha! You who destroy the temple and build it in three days,
Mark 14:58
“We heard Him say, ‘I will destroy this temple made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.’
Mark 9:31
For He taught His disciples and said to them, “The Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of men, and they will kill Him. And after He is killed, He will rise the third day.”
Mark 10:34
and they will mock Him, and scourge Him, and spit on Him, and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again.”
Luke 9:22
saying, “The Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.”
Luke 13:32
And He said to them, “Go, tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.’
Luke 18:33
They will scourge Him and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again.”
Luke 24:7
saying, ‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.’”
Luke 24:21
But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened.
Luke 24:46
Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,
John 2:19
Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
John 2:20
Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
Acts 10:40
Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly,
1 Corinthians 15:4
and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,
I am agreeing with all denominations that the Apostles testimony was being figurative; only Denominations in support of a Friday death claim prophecy was figurative as well. I’m not ruling out the possibility That translations from Greek to English have been translated incorrectly since most authors making the translations are Friday Biased .
First rule of prophecy: No prophecy is open to personal interpretation. With this in mind we have but to look at the story of Jonah since God told us exactly where to look.
Here is the prophecy of his death.
Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Jonah 1:17
17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
Jonah 2:6
6 I went down to the moorings of the mountains;
The earth with its bars closed behind me forever;
Yet You have brought up my life from the pit,
O LORD, my God.
Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
John 11:9
9 Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. 10 But if one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.”
Whose Testimony is Greater?
John 5:31-37
31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true. 32 There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is true. 33 You have sent to John, and he has borne witness to the truth. 34 Yet I do not receive testimony from man, but I say these things that you may be saved. 35 He was the burning and shining lamp, and you were willing for a time to rejoice in his light. 36 But I have a greater witness than John’s; for the works which the Father has given Me to finish—the very works that I do—bear witness of Me, that the Father has sent Me. 37 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me.
What is interesting is Christ is illustrating that though John’s testimony is true even though it is the testimony of a man just as the apostles testimony is testimony of men. Actual Prophecy is testimony of Jesus and is to be held to a higher standard. In prophecy you will find no flaw if you keep the testimony of Jesus Higher. This is how you build your foundation on solid ground.
Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
I get two important things from this:
First:
Only Jesus is worthy of our worship for he is God. To have the testimony of Jesus is to understand prophecy and how it testifies of the messiah in truth.
Second:
The words that make Prophecy are actually the testimony of Jesus Christ Literally. Everything else in the bible is the testimony of men testifying of Jesus Christ, what he said, things he did, what they as men saw with their eyes, and heard with their ears. This would explain why there are little discrepancies between the same events listed in the 4 gospels that exist today. I’m not ruling out Friday death and resurrection bias when the words of God were translated or even when they were re-written by scribes shortly after the death of the Apostles. Here is why:
Did the bible suffer Friday death and resurrection translational bias?
Road to Emmaus: From Gospel of holy 12.
5. And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people; and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel; and beside all this three days have passed since these things were done.
Road to Emmaus: From holy bible
Luke 24
19 And He said to them, “What things?”
So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him. 21 But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened.
These two verses are almost word for word except the last sentance? Why is all the evidnec that I am finding after I came to the conclusion of 3 days and 3 nights being confirmed that the bible we have today has had the testimony of men, Omitted, or twisted to support less than what God promised? Only Satan would try to diminish what God accomplished.
Here are the words about Jesus legs not being broken to fulfill prophecy from the holy bible.
John 19:35-37
35 And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe. 36 For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, “Not one of His bones shall be broken.”[f] 37 And again another Scripture says, “They shall look on Him whom they pierced.”[g]
From the Gospel of the Holy 12.
32. And he that saw it bare record and his record is true, and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe. For these things were done that the Scriptures might be fulfilled—A bone of him shall not be broken, and again—In the midst of the week the Messiah shall be cut off.
Only The last line is different. The last line from the Gospel of the Holy 12 makes a true statement that; at that moment, the Daniel midst of the week prophecy was fulfilled, but did it also fulfill because the day was the middle of the week? (Wednesday) This would have been a double prophecy fulfillment and allowed for the Messiah to be in the Tomb 3 days and 3 nights as the prophecy stated he would be.
Is this message for those who already believe in God? I would have to Say yes. More over God says who this message would be for.
Matthew 12:39
But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Matthew 16:4
A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.” And He left them and departed.
Luke 11:29
[ Seeking a Sign ] And while the crowds were thickly gathered together, He began to say, “This is an evil generation. It seeks a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah the prophet.
Luke 11:29-31
29 And while the crowds were thickly gathered together, He began to say, “This is an evil generation. It seeks a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah the prophet.[a] 30 For as Jonah became a sign to the Ninevites, so also the Son of Man will be to this generation. 31 The queen of the South will rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation and condemn them, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and indeed a greater than Solomon is here.
We are living in the evil Generation, wicked adulterous generation, this message is for them who deny Christ. They will have no legitimate excuse other than they just did not want to follow him.
Knowing that this book contains the words of God it too is gospel. God protected this work Just as the bible we have today is protected. This book being found in the Far East outside of the clutches of the influence of Rome.
Is it merely coincidence that this very book verifies the prophecy time line I have worked on. Is it mere coincidence that it has our savior in the tomb for 3 days and nights? This being a conclusion i had come to with out reading this Book of the holy 12. This is a conclusion I had come to by merely taking the prophetic testimony of Jesus Higher than the recorded testimony of men which now appears to have been altered and tampered with while the bible was in the Clutches of Satan during the period of the witnesses being clothed in sack cloth.
Here is the Chapter on the burial of Christ one more time. Keep in mind that it has word for word every "WORD" that exists in our bible today. Would someone have known to add these very words to deceive us in the last days to think God fulfilled his promise? Or does the bible we have today contain less that what God promised by causing one to think God fell short of 3 days and 3 nights allowing for prophecy to be figurative?
Remember, The bible does contain to this date all that we need for salvation. The end times are upon us and a great deception is coming that will deceive if possible the elect. We need to know with out a shadow of doubt that God will keep his promise.
Is this the words of Heresy or the unadulterated, unmolested, unaltered words of God concerning his burial?
You Decide.
Lection LXXXIII
The Burial Of Jesus
1. NOW, when the even was come, Joseph of Arimathea, an honorable councilor, who also waited for the Kingdom of God, came and went in boldly unto Pilate and craved the body of Jesus. (He was a good man and just, and had not consented to the council and deed of them).
2. And Pilate marveled if he were already dead, and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead. And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.
3. And there came also Nicodemus, who at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred weight. Then took they the body of Jesus and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.
4. Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new sepulcher, wherein was never man yet laid. There laid they Jesus therefore, and it was about the beginning of the second watch when they buried him, because of the Jews’ preparation day, for the sepulcher was nigh at hand.
5. And Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid. There at the tomb they kept watch for three days and three nights.
6. And the women also, who came with him from Galilee, followed after, bearing lamps in their hands and beheld the sepulcher and how his body was laid, and they made lamentation over him.
7. And they returned and rested the next clay, being a high day, and on the day following they bought and prepared spices and ointments and waited for the end of the Sabbath.
8. Now the next day that followed, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, saying, Sir we remember that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
9. Command therefore that the sepulcher be made sure until the third day be past, lest his disciples come by night and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead, so the last error shall be worse than the first.
10. Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch, go your way, make it as sure as you can. So they went and made the sepulcher sure, sealing the stone and setting a watch till the third day should be past.
Not only does this passage confirm the numbers 33:3 KJV scripture that the first day of the week celebration is the High day but confirms that the messiah kept his promise. This gives God glory to the fullest.
Now knowing the correct year, having time line prophecy bare witness to time line prophecy, having double fulfillment of the midst of the week prophecy, Having the Seventh day Sabbath confirmed as the true 7th day since some speculate other wise because of the 31 AD false year; this matter can truthfully be closed. This foundation cannot be shaken.
Calculating day of Christ Baptism based on prophecy time line
Isaiah 10:23
23 For the Lord GOD of hosts will make a determined end In the midst of all the land.
The Isaiah Prophecy is in reference to the midst of the week prophecy concerning Jesus Death. We know this since Paul interprets this for us here:
Romans 9:27-28
27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel :[a]“ Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, The remnant will be saved. 28 For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness, Because the LORD will make a short work upon the earth.”[b]
We can determine a short work by Dividing the 70th week in half which = 7 years or we can define a short work even more.
On the 30 AD prophecy time line we illustrated how the times, time and Dividing of Time = 3 ½ years. This would be 42 months or 1260 days since Jewish months were approximately 30 Days long.
After looking at the lunar Calendars I calculated back 1260 Days from the Day of Christ Death and got 24 Oct 0026 AD That is including calculating the Leap year day added for the Lunar Calendar. This is the only way I see Feasible to calculate this date.
This parallels the prophecy of the Beast coming to power. We know the beast rose to power in 538 AD and received it’s mortal wound after 1260 years in 1798 AD. Christ Came to his ministry on 24 Oct 26AD and received his mortal wound 1260 days later on 5 Apr 30AD. See prophecy time line slide 7 for illustration. Not only was this the midst of the 70th week of Daniel prophecy; it was literally the middle of the Week (Wednesday)
Now knowing that 30 AD is the correct year for the Death and resurrection we may possible be able to correctly date his birth based on the information listed in scripture.
Since no one knows the Exact year of Birth, at least I don’t know this information at this time, it would be hard for me to say if Christ was 33 or 34 on the date of his death which leaves the birth year in 4 or 5 BC.
Luke 3:23 NKJV
Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, the son of Heli,
This scripture leaving it vague as to whether he was actually thirty or just past 30 years old. It could be implying that he was not quite 30. The beginning of the Gospels do get descriptive and the date may actually be able to be determined. I’ll Leave that Task up to you!
My Conclusion
No scripture was changed to come to this conclusion only the perception of interpretation has changed the understanding of Christ being in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights. Helps to be able to see the lunar cycle in correlation with the week cycle. Tools that have only recently been available to us.
There are many scriptures that have been lost in confusion due to Babylon the Mother Harlot and the Spirit that leads her to destruction. There are epistles in the bible that strayed from the testimony of Jesus. Peter the apostles warns of these writings in 2 Peter 3. It’s only by keeping the testimony of Jesus Higher that you will under stand why this warning was given. It has to do with Babylon.(the Harlot is a mother who has given birth many time and has many grand children). See Old and New Testament for understanding.
Being that a 14th of Nissan fell on a Wednesday in 30 AD per the week cycle and lunar cycle. This would be the year that Accurate prophecy states would be a correct date since it allows for the Messiah to be in the Heart of the Earth for 3 days and 3 nights. It allows for time line prophecy to bear witness to time line prophecy by aligning at a start date, stop date, or intersection date. See prophecy time line 30 AD slide 6 and 7 for illustration of this.
Prophecy has to be perfect or it is not a prophecy from God. If there is a flaw in bible prophecy, or figurative speech, then it is no better off than the testimony of Nostradamus,
Who some claim give more accurate prophecy than the bible. Guess those people don’t read their bible much. Do not confuse symbolism with figurative speech. Symbolism prophecy like that of Revelation is defined by scripture and understood with history.
There is room for error in the testimony of men. If there is Error in this testimony it is because I am a man and this is what I feel I have learned from the word. This is why we have 4 gospels. If all truth could be ascertained by one Gospel there would be no need for multiple witnesses to confirm a truth. No one can come to a complete truth on New Testament alone. Old Testament Defines our understanding of the New Testament. With out the Old Testament, the New testament is just a collection of stories that would not make much sense. The old Testament contains more Testimony of Jesus than the New Testament. The Spirit of Prophecy is the testimony of Jesus.
When Daniel prophecy said Christ would die in the midst of the week. Not only does this point to 30 AD which is the only year for a 3 day 3 night stay in the tomb; but take a literal week, plot it out on paper or open your calendar. Now tell me what day is the midst of the week. This prophecy not only stated he would die in 30 AD but also on a Wednesday.
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Good luck and God Bless,
Todd M. Vetter
P.S. Turns out there is a first Century Witness mentioned in the bible who wrote a book that is not in the bible because of the Friday Death and Sunday resurrection misconception.
Here is that book and I have made reference in red from this book on slide 5 of the week prior to death time line. Enjoy the read
More evidence in support of 3 Days and 3 nights in the Tomb!!!! Powerful Testimony from an Eye witness who was there for the events. Please use week prior to death time line when reviewing the testimony of Nicodemus. This book was kept out of the bible for what was though or perceived to be an error in testimony but in actuality give strong evidence that the Apostles quoted from this testimony and also give strong evidence that there were two Sabbaths that occurred from the time of Christ Death to the time of His resurrection in 30 AD. The testimony of strong evidence is in two parts of this document. I highlighted those parts in red to make them Stand out. I recommend reading this in Full but pay close attention to the testimony Highlighted. I have inserted Comments in blue font after the area’s of interest. All else is original testimony
Epistle of Nicodemus
MEMORIALS OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST DONE IN THE TIME OF PONTIUS PILATE
Prologue
(Absent from some manuscripts and versions).
I Ananias (Aeneas Copt., Emaus Lat.), the Protector, of praetorian rank, learned in the law, did from the divine scriptures recognize our Lord Jesus Christ and came near to him by faith and was accounted worthy of holy baptism: and I sought out the memorials that were made at that season in the time of our master Jesus Christ, which the Jews deposited with Pontius Pilate, and found the memorials in Hebrew (letters), and by the good pleasure of God I translated them into Greek (letters) for the informing of all them that call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ: in the reign of our Lord Flavius Theodosius, in the seventeenth year, and of Flavius Valentinianus the sixth, in the ninth indiction [corrupt: Lat. has the eighteenth year of Theodosius, when Valentinian was proclaimed Augustus, i. e. A. D. 425].
All ye therefore that read this and translate (or copy) it into other books, remember me and pray for me that God will be gracious unto me and be merciful unto my sins which I have sinned against him.
Peace be to them that read and that hear these things and to their servants. Amen.
In the fifteenth (al. nineteenth) year of the governance of Tiberius Caesar, emperor of the Romans, and of Herod, king of Galilee, in the nineteenth year of his rule, on the eighth of the Calends of April, which is the 25th of March, in the consulate of Rufus and Rubellio, in the fourth year of the two hundred and second Olympiad, Joseph who is Caiaphas being high priest of the Jews:
These be the things which after the cross and passion of the Lord Nicodemus recorded and delivered unto the high priest and the rest of the Jews: and the same Nicodemus set them forth in Hebrew (letters).
I
1 For the chief priests and scribes assembled in council, even Annas and Caiaphas and Somne (Senes) and Dothaim (Dothael, Dathaes, Datam) and Gamaliel, Judas, Levi and Nepthalim, Alexander and Jairus and the rest of the Jews, and came unto Pilate accusing Jesus for many deeds, saying: We know this man, that he is the son of Joseph the carpenter, begotten of Mary, and he saith that he is the Son of God and a king; more-over he doth pollute the sabbaths and he would destroy the law of our fathers.
Pilate saith: And what things are they that he doeth, and would destroy the law?
The Jews say: We have a law that we should not heal any man on the sabbath: but this man of his evil deeds hath healed the lame and the bent, the withered and the blind and the paralytic, the dumb and them that were possessed, on the sabbath day!
Pilate saith unto them: By what evil deeds?
They say unto him: He is a sorcerer, and by Beelzebub the prince of the devils he casteth out devils, and they are all subject unto him.
Pilate saith unto them: This is not to cast out devils by an unclean spirit, but by the god Asclepius.
2 The Jews say unto Pilate: We beseech thy majesty that he appear before thy judgement-seat and be heard. And Pilate called them unto him and said: Tell me, how can I that am a governor examine a king? They say unto him: We say not that he is a king, but he saith it of himself.
And Pilate called the messenger (cursor) and said unto him: Let Jesus be brought hither, but with gentleness. And the messenger went forth, and when he perceived Jesus he worshipped him and took the kerchief that was on his hand and spread it upon the earth and saith unto him: Lord, walk hereon and enter in, for the governor calleth thee. And when the Jews saw what the messenger had done, they cried out against Pilate saying: Wherefore didst thou not summon him by an herald to enter in, but by a messenger? for the messenger when he saw him worshipped him and spread out his kerchief upon the ground and hath made him walk upon it like a king!
3 Then Pilate called for the messenger and said unto him: Wherefore hast thou done this, and hast spread thy kerchief upon the ground and made Jesus to walk upon it? The messenger saith unto him: Lord governor, when thou sentest me to Jerusalem unto Alexander, I saw Jesus sitting upon an *** , and the children of the Hebrews held branches in their hands and cried out, and others spread their garments beneath him, saying: Save now, thou that art in the highest: blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
4 The Jews cried out and said unto the messenger: The children of the Hebrews cried out in Hebrew: how then hast thou it in the Greek? The messenger saith to them: I did ask one of the Jews and said: What is it that they cry out in Hebrew? and he interpreted it unto me.
Pilate saith unto them: And how cried they in Hebrew? The Jews say unto him: Hosanna membrome barouchamma adonai. Pilate saith unto them: And the Hosanna and the rest, how is it interpreted? The Jews say unto him: Save now, thou that art in the highest: blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Pilate saith unto them: If you yourselves bear witness of the words which were said of the children, wherein hath the messenger sinned? and they held their peace.
The governor saith unto the messenger: Go forth and bring him in after what manner thou wilt. And the messenger went forth and did after the former manner and said unto Jesus: Lord, enter in: the governor calleth thee.
5 Now when Jesus entered in, and the ensigns were holding the standards, the images (busts) of the standards bowed and did reverence to Jesus. And when the Jews saw the carriage of the standards, how they bowed themselves and did reverence unto Jesus, they cried out above measure against the ensigns. But Pilate said unto the Jews: Marvel ye not that the images bowed themselves and did reverence unto Jesus. The Jews say unto Pilate: We saw how the ensigns made them to bow and did reverence to him. And the governor called for the ensigns and saith unto them: Wherefore did ye so? They say unto Pilate: We are Greeks and servers of temples, and how could we do him reverence? for indeed, whilst we held the images they bowed of themselves and did reverence unto him.
6 Then saith Pilate unto the rulers of the synagogue and the elders of the people: Choose you out able and strong men and let them hold the standards, and let us see if they bow of themselves. And the elders of the Jews took twelve men strong and able and made them to hold the standards by sixes, and they were set before the judgement-seat of the governor; and Pilate said to the messenger: Take him out of the judgement hall (praetorium) and bring him in again after what manner thou wilt. And Jesus went out of the judgement hall, he and the messenger. And Pilate called unto him them that before held the image and said unto them: I have sworn by the safety of Caesar that if the standards bow not when Jesus entereth in, I will cut off your heads.
And the governor commanded Jesus to enter in the second time. And the messenger did after the former manner and besought Jesus much that he would walk upon his kerchief; and he walked upon it and entered in. And when he had entered, the standards bowed themselves again and did reverence unto Jesus.
II
1 Now when Pilate saw it he was afraid, and sought to rise up from the judgement-seat. And while he yet thought to rise up, his wife sent unto him, saying: Have thou nothing to do with this just man, for I have suffered many things because of him by night. And Pilate called unto him all the Jews, and said unto them: Ye know that my wife feareth God and favoureth rather the customs of the Jews, with you? They say unto him: Yea, we know it. Pilate saith unto them: Lo, my wife hath sent unto me, saying: Have thou nothing to do with this just man: for I have suffered many things because of him by night. But the Jews answered and said unto Pilate: Said we not unto thee that he is a sorcerer? behold, he hath sent a vision of a dream unto thy wife.
2 And Pilate called Jesus unto him and said to him: What is it that these witness against thee? speakest thou nothing? But Jesus said: If they had not had power they would have spoken nothing; for every man hath power over his own mouth, to speak good or evil: they shall see to it.
3 The elders of the Jews answered and said unto Jesus: What shall we see? Firstly, that thou wast born of fornication; secondly, that thy birth in Bethlehem was the cause of the slaying of children; thirdly, that thy father Joseph and thy mother Mary fled into Egypt because they had no confidence before the people.
4 Then said certain of them that stood by, devout men of the Jews: We say not that he came of fornication; but we know that Joseph was betrothed unto Mary, and he was not born of fornication. Pilate saith unto those Jews which said that he came of fornication: This your saying is not true for there were espousals, as these also say which are of your nation. Annas and Caiaphas say unto Pilate: The whole multitude of us cry out that he was born of fornication, and we are not believed: but these are proselytes and disciples of his. And Pilate called Annas and Caiaphas unto him and said to them: What be proselytes? They say unto him: They were born children of Greeks, and now are they become Jews. Then said they which said l that he was not born of fornication, even Lazarus, Asterius, Antonius, Jacob, Amnes, Zenas, Samuel, Isaac, Phinees, Crispus, Agrippa and Judas: We were not born proselytes (are not Greeks, Copt.), but we are children of Jews and we speak the truth; for verily we were present at the espousals of Joseph and Mary.
5 And Pilate called unto him those twelve men which said that he was not born of fornication, and saith unto them: I adjure you by the safety of Caesar, are these things true which ye have said, that he was not born of fornication? They say unto Pilate: We have a law that we swear not, because it is sin: But let them swear by the safety of Caesar that it is not as we have said, and we will be guilty of death. Pilate saith to Annas and Caiaphas: Answer ye nothing to these things? Annas and Caiaphas say unto Pilate: These twelve men are believed which say that he was not born of fornication, but the whole multitude of us cry out that he was born of fornication, and is a sorcerer, and saith that he is the Son of God and a king, and we are not believed.
6 And Pilate commanded the whole multitude to go out, saving the twelve men which said that he was not born of fornication and he commanded Jesus to be set apart: and Pilate saith unto them: For what cause do they desire to put him to death? They say unto Pilate: They have jealousy, because he healeth on the sabbath day. Pilate saith: For a good work do they desire to put him to death? They say unto him: Yea.
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1 And Pilate was filled with indignation and went forth without the judgement hall and saith unto them: I call the Sun to witness that I find no fault in this man. The Jews answered and said to the governor: If this man were not a malefactor we would not have delivered him unto thee. And Pilate said: Take ye him and judge him according to your law. The Jews said unto Pilate: It is not lawful for us to put any man to death. Pilate said: Hath God forbidden you to slay, and allowed me?
2 And Pilate went in again into the judgement hall and called Jesus apart and said unto him: Art thou the King of the Jews? Jesus answered and said to Pilate: Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me? Pilate answered Jesus: Am I also a Jew? thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done? Jesus answered: My kingdom is not of this world; for if my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have striven that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. Pilate said unto him: Art thou a king, then? Jesus answered him: Thou sayest that I am a king; for this cause was I born and am come, that every one that is of the truth should hear my voice. Pilate saith unto him: What is truth? Jesus saith unto him: Truth is of heaven. Pilate saith: Is there not truth upon earth? Jesus saith unto Pilate: Thou seest how that they which speak the truth are judged of them that have authority upon earth.
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1 And Pilate left Jesus in the judgement hall and went forth to the Jews and said unto them: I find no fault in him. The Jews say unto him: This man said: I am able to destroy this temple and in three days to build it up. Pilate saith: What temple? The Jews say: That which Solomon built in forty and six years but which this man saith he will destroy and build it in three days. Pilate saith unto them: I am guiltless of the blood of this just man: see ye to it. The Jews say: His blood be upon us and on our children.
2 And Pilate called the elders and the priests and Levites unto him and said to them secretly: Do not so: for there is nothing worthy of death whereof ye have accused him, for your accusation is concerning healing and profaning of the sabbath. The elders and the priests and Levites say: If a man blaspheme against Caesar, is he worthy of death or no? Pilate saith: He is worthy of death. The Jews say unto Pilate: If a man be worthy of death if he blaspheme against Caesar, this man hath blasphemed against God.
3 Then the governor commanded all the Jews to go out from the judgement hall, and he called Jesus to him and saith unto him: What shall I do with thee? Jesus saith unto Pilate: Do as it hath been given thee. Pilate saith: How hath it been given? Jesus saith: Moses and the prophets did foretell concerning my death and rising again. Now the Jews inquired by stealth and heard, and they say unto Pilate: What needest thou to hear further of this blasphemy? Pilate saith unto the Jews: If this word be of blasphemy, take ye him for his blasphemy, and bring him into your synagogue and judge him according to your law. The Jews say unto Pilate: It is contained in our law, that if a man sin against a man, he is worthy to receive forty stripes save one: but he that blasphemeth against God, that he should be stoned with stoning.
4 Pilate saith unto them: Take ye him and avenge yourselves of him in what manner ye will. The Jews say unto Pilate: We will that he be crucified. Pilate saith: He deserveth not to be crucified.
5 Now as the governor looked round about upon the multitude of the Jews which stood by, he beheld many of the Jews weeping, and said: Not all the multitude desire that he should be put to death. The elder of the Jews said: To this end have the whole multitude of us come Hither, that he should be put to death. Pilate saith to the Jews: Wherefore should he die? The Jews said: Because he called himself the Son of God, and a king.
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1 But a certain man, Nicodemus, a Jew, came and stood before the governor and said: I beseech thee, good (pious) lord, bid me speak a few words. Pilate saith: Say on. Nicodemus saith: I said unto the elders and the priests and Levites and unto all the multitude of the Jews in the synagogue: Wherefore contend ye with this man? This man doeth many and wonderful signs, which no man hath done, neither will do: let him alone and contrive not any evil against him: if the signs which he doeth are of God, they will stand, but if they be of men, they will come to nought. For verily Moses, when he was sent of God into Egypt did many signs, which God commanded him to do before Pharaoh, king of Egypt; and there were there certain men servants of Pharaoh, Jannes and Jambres, and they also did signs not a few, of them which Moses did, and the Egyptians held them as gods, even Jannes and Jambres: and whereas the signs which they did were not of God, they perished and those also that believed on them. And now let this man go, for he is not worthy of death.
2 The Jews say unto Nicodemus: Thou didst become his disciple and thou speakest on his behalf. Nicodemus saith unto them: Is the governor also become his disciple, that he speaketh on his behalf? did not Caesar appoint him unto this dignity? And the Jews were raging and gnashing their teeth against Nicodemus. Pilate saith unto them: Wherefore gnash ye your teeth against him, wherens ye have heard the truth? The Jews say unto Nicodemus: Mayest thou receive his truth and his portion. Nicodemus saith: Amen, Amen: may I receive it as ye have said.
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1 Now one of the Jews came forward and besought the governor that he might speak a word. The governor saith: If thou wilt say aught, speak on. And the Jew said: Thirty and eight years lay I on a bed in suffering of pains, and at the coming of Jesus many that were possessed and laid with divers diseases were healed by him, and certain (faithful) young men took pity on me and carried me with my bed and brought me unto him; and when Jesus saw me he had compassion, and spake a word unto me: Take up thy bed and walk. And I took up my bed and walked. The Jews say unto Pilate: Ask of him what day it was whereon he was healed? He that was healed saith: On the sabbath. The Jews say: Did we not inform thee so, that upon the sabbath he healeth and casteth out devils?
2 And another Jew came forward and said: I was born blind: I heard words but I saw no man's face: and as Jesus passed by I cried with a loud voice: Have mercy on me, O son of David. And he took pity on me and put his hands upon mine eyes and I received sight immediately. And another Jew came forward and said: I was bowed and he made me straight with a word. And another said: I was a leper, and he healed me with a word.
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And a certain woman named Bernice (Beronice Copt., Veronica Lat.) crying out from afar off said: I had an issue of blood and touched the hem of his garment, and the flowing of my blood was stayed which I had twelve years. The Jews say: We have a law that a woman shall not come to give testimony.
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And certain others, even a multitude both of men and women cried out, saying: This man is a prophet and the devils are subject unto him. Pilate saith to them which said: The devils are subject unto him: Wherefore were not your teachers also subject unto him? They say unto Pilate: We know not. Others also said: He raised up Lazarus which was dead out of his tomb after four days. And the governor was afraid and said unto all the multitude of the Jews: Wherefore will ye shed innocent blood?
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1 And he called unto him Nicodemus and those twelve men which said that he was not born of fornication, and said unto them: What shall I do, for there riseth sedition among the people? They say unto him: We know not, let them see to it. Again Pilate called for all the multitude of the Jews and saith: Ye know that ye have a custom that at the feast of unleavened bread I should release unto you a prisoner. Now I have a prisoner under condemnation in the prison, a murderer, Barabbas by name, and this Jesus also which standeth before you, in whom I find no fault: Whom will ye that I release unto you? But they cried out: Barabbas. Pilate saith: What shall I do then with Jesus who is called Christ? The Jews say: Let him be crucified. But certain of the Jews answered: Thou art not a friend of Caesar's if thou let this man go; for he called himself the Son of God and a king: thou wilt therefore have him for king, and not Caesar.
2 And Pilate was wroth and said unto the Jews: Your nation is always seditious and ye rebel against your benefactors. The Jews say: Against what benefactors? Pilate saith: According as I have heard, your God brought you out of Egypt out of hard bondage, and led you safe through the sea as by dry land, and in the wilderness he nourished you with manna and gave you quails, and gave you water to drink out of a rock, and gave unto you a law. And in all these things ye provoked your God to anger, and sought out a molten calf, and angered your God and he sought to slay you: and Moses made supplication for you and ye were not put to death. And now ye do accuse me that I hate the king (emperor).
3 And he rose up from the judgement-seat and sought to go forth. And the Jews cried out, saying: We know our king, even Caesar and not Jesus. For indeed the wise men brought gifts from the east unto him as unto a king, and when Herod heard from the wise men that a king was born, he sought to slay him, and when his father Joseph knew that, he took him and his mother and they fled into Egypt. And when Herod heard it he destroyed the children of the Hebrews that were born in Bethlehem.
4 And when Pilate heard these words he was afraid. And Pilate silenced the multitude, because they cried still, and said unto them: So, then, this is he whom Herod sought? The Jews say: Yea, this is he. And Pilate took water and washed his hands before the sun, saying: I am innocent of the blood of this just man: see ye to it. Again the Jews cried out: His blood be upon us and upon our children.
5 Then Pilate commanded the veil to be drawn before the judgement-seat whereon he sat, and saith unto Jesus: Thy nation hath convicted thee (accused thee) as being a king: therefore have I decreed that thou shouldest first be scourged according to the law of the pious emperors, and thereafter hanged upon the cross in the garden wherein thou wast taken: and let Dysmas and Gestas the two malefactors be crucified with thee.
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1 And Jesus went forth of the judgement hall and the two malefactors with him. And when they were come to the place they stripped him of his garments and girt him with a linen cloth and put a crown of thorns about his head: likewise also they hanged up the two malefactors. But Jesus said: Father forgive them, for they know not what they do. And the soldiers divided his garments among them.
And the people stood looking upon him, and the chief priests and the rulers with them derided him, saying: He saved others let him save himself: if he be the son of God [let him come down from the cross]. And the soldiers also mocked him, coming and offering him vinegar with gall; and they said: If thou be the King of the Jews, save thyself.
And Pilate after the sentence commanded his accusation to be written for a title in letters of Greek and Latin and Hebrew according to the saying of the Jews: that he was the King of the Jews.
2 And one of the malefactors that were hanged [by name Gestas] spake unto him, saying: If thou be the Christ, save thyself, and us. But Dysmas answering rebuked him, saying: Dost thou not at all fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? and we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus: Remember me, Lord, in thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him: Verily, verily, I say unto thee, that today thou shalt be (art) with me in paradise.
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1 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over the land until the ninth hour, for the sun was darkened: and the veil of the temple was rent asunder in the midst. And Jesus called with a loud voice and said: Father, baddach ephkid rouel, which is interpreted: Into thy hands I commend my spirit. And having thus said he gave up the ghost. And when the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying: This man was righteous. And all the multitudes that had come to the sight, when they beheld what was done smote their breasts and returned.
2 But the centurion reported unto the governor the things that had come to pass: and when the governor and his wife heard, they were sore vexed, and neither ate nor drank that day. And Pilate sent for the Jews and said unto them: Did ye see that which came to pass? But they said: There was an eclipse of the sun after the accustomed sort.
3 And his acquaintance had stood afar off, and the women which came with him from Galilee, beholding these things. But a certain man named Joseph, being a counselor, of the city of Arimathaea, who also himself looked for the kingdom of God this man went to Pilate and begged the body of Jesus. And he took it down and wrapped it in a clean linen cloth and laid it in a hewn sepulcher wherein was never man yet laid.
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1 Now when the Jews heard that Joseph had begged the body of Jesus, they sought for him and for the twelve men which said that Jesus was not born of fornication, and for Nicodemus and many others which had come forth before Pilate and declared his good works. But all they hid themselves, and Nicodemus only was seen of them, for he was a ruler of the Jews. And Nicodemus said unto them: How came ye into the synagogue? The Jews say unto him: How didst thou come into the synagogue? for thou art confederate with him, and his portion shall be with thee in the life to come. Nicodemus saith: Amen, Amen. Likewise Joseph also came forth and said unto them: Why is it that ye are vexed against me, for that I begged the body of Jesus? behold I have laid it in my new tomb, having wrapped it in clean linen, and I rolled a stone over the door of the cave. And ye have not dealt well with the just one, for ye repented not when ye had crucified him, but ye also pierced him with a spear.
But the Jews took hold on Joseph and commanded him to be put in safeguard until the first day of the week: and they said unto him: Know thou that the time alloweth us not to do anything against thee, because the Sabbath dawneth: but knew that thou shalt not obtain burial, but we will give thy flesh unto the fowls of the heaven. Joseph saith unto them: This is the word of Goliath the boastful which reproached the living God and the holy David. For God said by the prophet: Vengeance is mine, and I will recompense, saith the Lord. And now, lo, one that was uncircumcised, but circumcised in heart, took water and washed his hands before the sun, saying: I am Innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. And ye answered Pilate and said: His blood be upon us and upon our children. And now I fear lest the wrath of the Lord come upon you and upon your children, as ye have said. But when the Jews heard these words they waxed bitter in soul, and caught hold on Joseph and took him and shut him up in an house wherein was no window, and guards were set at the door: and they sealed the door of the place where Joseph was shut up.
2 And upon the Sabbath day the rulers of the synagogue and the priests and the Levites made an ordinance that all men should appear in the synagogue on the first day of the week. And all the multitude rose up early and took council in the synagogue by what death they should kill him. And when the council was set they commanded him to be brought with great dishonor. And when they had opened the door they found him not. And all the people were beside themselves and amazed, because they found the seals closed, and Caiaphas had the key. And they durst not any more lay hands upon them that had spoken in the behalf of Jesus before Pilate.
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1 And while they yet sat in the synagogue and marveled because of Joseph, there came certain of the guard which the Jews had asked of Pilate to keep the sepulcher of Jesus lest peradventure his disciples should come and steal him away. And they spake and declared unto the rulers of the synagogue and the priests and the Levites that which had come to pass: how that there was a great earthquake, and we saw an angel descend from heaven, and he rolled away the stone from the mouth of the cave, and sat upon it. And he did shine like snow and like lightning, and we were sore afraid and lay as dead men. And we heard the voice of the angel speaking with the women which waited at the sepulcher, saying: Fear ye not: for I know that ye seek Jesus which was crucified. He is not here: he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay, and go quickly and say unto his disciples that he is risen from the dead, and is in Galilee.
2 The Jews say: With what women spake he? They of the guard say: We know not who they were. The Jews say: At what hour was it? They of the guard say: At midnight. The Jews say: And wherefore did ye not take the women? They of the guard say: We were become as dead me through fear, and we looked not to see the light of the day; how then could we take them? The Jews say: As the Lord liveth, we believe you not. They of the guard say unto the Jews: So many signs saw ye in that man, and ye believed not, how then should ye believe us? verily ye sware rightly 'as the Lord liveth', for he liveth indeed. Again they of the guard say: We have heard that ye shut up him that begged the body of Jesus, and that ye sealed the door; and when ye had opened it ye found him not. Give ye therefore Joseph and we will give you Jesus. The Jews say: Joseph is departed unto his own city. They of the guard say unto the Jews: Jesus also is risen, as we have heard of the angel, and he is in Galilee.
3 And when the Jews heard these words they were sore afraid, saying: Take heed lest this report be heard and all men incline unto Jesus. And the Jews took counsel and laid down much money and gave it to the soldiers, saying: Say ye: While we slept his disciples came by night and stole him away. And if this come to the governor's hearing we will persuade him and secure you. And they took the money and did as they were instructed. [And this their saying was published abroad among all men. lat.]
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1 Now a certain priest named Phinees and Addas a teacher and Aggaeus (Ogias Copt., Egias lat.) a Levite came down from Galilee unto Jerusalem and told the rulers of the synagogue and the priests and the Levites, saying: We saw Jesus and his disciples sitting upon the mountain which is called Mamilch (Mambre or Malech lat., Mabrech Copt.), and he said unto his disciples: Go into all the world and preach unto every creature (the whole creation): he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned. [And these signs shall follow upon them that believe: in my name they shall cast out devils, they shall speak with new tongues, they shall take up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt them: they shall lay hands upon the sick and they shall recover.] And while Jesus yet spake unto his disciples we saw him taken up into heaven.
2 The elders and the priests and Levites say: Give glory to the God of Israel and make confession unto him: did ye indeed (or that ye did) hear and see those things which ye have told us? They that told them say: As the Lord God of our fathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob liveth, we did hear these things and we saw him taken up into heaven. The elders and the priests and the Levites say unto them: Came ye for this end, that ye might tell us, or came ye to pay your vows unto God? And they say: To pay our vows unto God. The elders and the chief priests and the Levites say unto them: If ye came to pay your vows unto God, to what purpose is this idle tale which ye have babbled before all the people? Phinees the priest and Addas the teacher and Aggaeus the Levite say unto the rulers of the synagogue and priests and Levites: If these words which ye have spoken and seen be sin, lo, we are before you: do unto us as seemeth good in your eyes. And they took the book of the law and adjured them that they should no more tell any man these words: and they gave them to eat and to drink, and put them out of the city: moreover they gave them money, and three men to go with them, and they set them on their way as far as Galilee, and they departed in peace.
3 Now when these men were departed into Galilee, the chief priests and the rulers of the synagogue and the elders gathered together in the synagogue, and shut the gate, and lamented with a great lamentation, saying: What is this sign which is come to pass in Israel? But Amlas and Caiaphas said: Wherefore are ye troubled? why weep ye? Know ye not that his disciples gave much gold unto them that kept the sepulchre and taught them to say that an angel came down and rolled away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? But the priests and the elders said: Be it so, that his disciples did steal away his body; but how is his soul entered into his body, and how abideth he in Galilee? But they could not answer these things, and hardly in the end said: It is not lawful for us to believe the uncircumcised. [Lat. (and Copt., and Arm.): Ought we to believe the soldiers, that an angel came down from heaven and rolled away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? but in truth his disciples gave . . . sepulchre. Know ye not that it is not lawful for Jews to believe any word of the uncircumcised, knowing that they who received much good from us have spoken according as we taught them.]
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And Nicodemus rose up and stood before the council, saying: Ye say well. Know ye not, O people of the Lord, the men that came down out of Galilee, that they fear God and are men of substance, hating covetousness (a lie, Lat.), men of peace? And they have told you with an oath, saying: We saw Jesus upon the mount Mamilch with his disciples and that he taught them all things that ye heard of them, and, say they, we saw him taken up into heaven. And no man asked them in what manner he was taken up. For like as the book of the holy scriptures hath taught us that Elias also was taken up into heaven, and Eliseus cried out with a loud voice, and Elias cast his hairy cloak upon Eliseus, and Eliseus cast the cloak upon Jordan and passed over and went unto Jericho. And the sons of the prophets met him and said: Eliseus, where is thy lord Elias? and he said that he was taken up into heaven. And they said unto Eliseus: Hath not a spirit caught him up and cast him upon one of the mountains? but let us take our servants with us and seek after him. And they persuaded Eliseus and he went with them, and they sought him three days and found him not: and they knew that he had been taken up. And now hearken unto me, and let us send into all the coasts (al. mountains) of Israel and see whether the Christ were not taken up by a spirit and cast upon one of the mountains. And this saying pleased them all: and they sent into all the coasts (mountains, Lat.) and sought Jesus and found him not. But they found Joseph in Arimathaea, and no man durst lay hands upon him.
2 And they told the elders and the priests and the Levites, saying: We went about throughout all the coasts of Israel, and we found not Jesus; but Joseph we found in Arimathaea. And when they heard of Joseph they rejoiced and gave glory to the God of Israel. And the rulers of the synagogue and the priests and the Levites took counsel how they should meet with Joseph, and they took a volume of paper and wrote unto Joseph these words:
Peace be unto thee. We know that we have sinned against God and against thee, and we have prayed unto the God of Israel that thou shouldest vouchsafe to come unto thy fathers and unto thy children (Lat. But thou didst pray unto the God of Israel, and he delivered thee out of our hands. Now therefore vouchsafe, &c.) for we are all troubled, because when we opened the door we found thee not: and we know that we devised an evil counsel against thee, but the Lord helped thee. And the Lord himself made of none effect (scattered) our counsel against thee, O father Joseph, thou that art honourable among all the people.
3 And they chose out of all Israel seven men that were friends of Joseph, whom Joseph also himself accounted his friends, and the rulers of the synagogue and the priests and the Levites said unto them: See: if he receive our epistle and read it, know that he will come with you unto us: but if he read it not, know that he is vexed with us, and salute ye him in peace and return unto us. And they blessed the men and let them go.
And the men came unto Joseph and did him reverence, and said unto him: Peace be unto thee. And he said: Peace be unto you and unto all the people of Israel. And they gave him the book of the epistle, and Joseph received it and read it and embraced (or kissed) the epistle and blessed God and said: Blessed be the Lord God, which hath redeemed Israel from shedding innocent blood; and blessed be the Lord, which sent his angel and sheltered me under his wings. (And he kissed them) and set a table before them, and they did eat and drink and lay there.
4 And they rose up early and prayed: and Joseph saddled his she-*** and went with the men, and they came unto the holy city, even Jerusalem. And all the people came to meet Joseph and cried: Peace be to thine entering-in. And he said unto all the people: Peace be unto you, and all the people kissed him. And the people prayed with Joseph, and they were astonished at the sight of him.
And Nicodemus received him into his house and made a great feast, and called Annas and Caiaphas and the elders and the priests and the Levites unto his house. And they made merry eating and drinking with Joseph. And when they had sung an hymn (or blessed God) every man went unto his house. But Joseph abode in the house of Nicodemus.
5 And on the morrow, which was the preparation, the rulers of the synagogue and the priests and the Levites rose up early and came to the house of Nicodemus, and Nicodemus met them and said: Peace be unto you. And they said: Peace be unto thee and to Joseph and unto all thy house and to all the house of Joseph. And he brought them into his house. And the whole council was set, and Joseph sat between Annas and Caiaphas and no man durst speak unto him a word. And Joseph said: Why is it that ye have called me? And they beckoned unto Nicodemus that he should speak unto Joseph. And Nicodemus opened his mouth and said unto Joseph: Father, thou knowest that the reverend doctors and the priests and the Levites seek to learn a matter of thee. And Joseph said: Inquire ye. And Annas and Caiaphas took the book of the law and adjured Joseph saying: Give glory to the God of Israel and make confession unto him: [for Achar, when he was adjured of the prophet Jesus(Joshua), foresware not himself but declared unto him all things and hid not a word from him: thou therefore also hide not from us so much as a word. And Joseph: I will not hide one word from you.] And they said unto him: We were greatly vexed because thou didst beg the body of Jesus and wrappedst it in a clean linen cloth and didst lay him in a tomb. And for this cause we put thee in safeguard in an house wherein was no window, and we put keys and seals upon the doors, and guards did keep the place wherein thou wast shut up. And on the first day of the week we opened it and found thee not, and we were sore troubled, and amazement fell upon all the people of the Lord until yesterday. Now, therefore, declare unto us what befell thee.
6 And Joseph said: On the preparation day about the tenth hour ye did shut me up, and I continued there the whole sabbath. And at midnight as I stood and prayed the house wherein ye shut me up was taken up by the four corners, and I saw as it were a flashing of light in mine eyes, and being filled with fear I fell to the earth. And one took me by the hand and removed me from the place whereon I had fallen; and moisture of water was shed on me from my head unto my feet, and an odour of ointment came about my nostrils. And he wiped my face and kissed me and said unto me: Fear not, Joseph: open thine eyes and see who it is that speaketh with thee. And I looked up and saw Jesus and I trembled, and supposed that it was a spirit: and I said the commandments: and he said them with me. And [as] ye are not ignorant that a spirit, if it meet any man and hear the commandments, straightway fleeth. And when I perceived that he said them with me, I said unto him: Rabbi Elias? And he said unto me: I am not Elias. And I said unto him: Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me: I am Jesus, whose body thou didst beg of Pilate, and didst clothe me in clean linen and cover my face with a napkin, and lay me in thy new cave and roll a great stone upon the door of the cave. And I said to him that spake with me: Show me the place where I laid thee. And he brought me and showed me the place where I laid him, and the linen cloth lay therein, and the napkin that was upon his face. And I knew that it was Jesus. And he took me by the hand and set me in the midst of mine house, the doors being shut, and laid me upon my bed and said unto me: Peace be unto thee. And he kissed me and said unto me: Until forty days be ended go not out of thine house: for behold I go unto my brethren into Galilee.
About the underlined passage! If he was burying Christ until sunset on the High Sabbath. There had to be another Preparation day and Sabbath day that occurred While Christ was in the tomb. This would be the only reason this testimony would have been kept out of the bible. Based on the perception of a Friday Death and Sunday resurrection this testimony would have been in conflict of the time of events. Now we know it is not.
Testimony continues:
XVI
1 And when the rulers of the synagogue and the priests and the Levites heard these words of Joseph they became as dead men and fell to the ground, and they fasted until the ninth hour. And Nicodemus with Joseph comforted Annas and Caiaphas and the priests and the Levites, saying: Rise up and stand on your feet and taste bread and strengthen your souls, for tomorrow is the sabbath of the Lord. And they rose up and prayed unto God and did eat and drink, and departed every man to his house.
2 And on the sabbath the (al. our) teachers and the priests and Levites sat and questioned one another and said: What is this wrath that is come upon us? for we know his father and his mother. Levi the teacher saith: I know that his parents feared God and kept not back their vows and paid tithes three times a year. And when Jesus was born, his parents brought him up unto this place and gave sacrifices and burnt-offerings to God. And [when] the great teacher Symeon took him into his arms and said: Now lettest thou thy servant, Lord, depart in peace for mine eyes have seen thy salvation which thou hast prepared before the face of all peoples, a light to lighten the Gentiles and the glory of thy people Israel. And Symeon blessed them and said unto Mary his mother: I give thee good tidings concerning this child. And Mary said: Good, my lord? And Symeon said to her : Good. Behold, he is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel, and for a sign spoken against: and a sword shall pierce through thine own heart also, that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.
3 They say unto Levi the teacher: How knowest thou these things? Levi saith unto them: Know ye not that from him I did learn the law? The council say unto him: We would see thy father. And they sent after his father, and asked of him, and he said to them: Why believed ye not my son? the blessed and righteous Symeon, he did teach him the law. The council saith: Rabbi Levi, is the word true which thou hast spoken? And he said: It is true.
Then the rulers of the synagogue and the priests and the Levites said among themselves: Come, let us send into Galilee unto the three men which came and told us of his teaching and his taking-up, and let them tell us how they saw him taken up. And this word pleased them all, and they sent the three men which before had gone with them into Galilee and said to them: Say unto Rabbi Addas and Rabbi Phinees and Rabbi Aggaeus: peace be to you and to all that are with you. Inasmuch as great questioning hath arisen in the council, we have sent unto you to call you unto this holy place of Jerusalem.
4 And the men went into Galilee and found them sitting and meditating upon the law, and saluted them in peace. And the men that were in Galilee said unto them that were come to them: Peace be upon all Israel. And they said: Peace be unto you. Again they said unto them: Wherefore are ye come? And they that were sent said: The council calleth you unto the holy city Jerusalem. And when the men heard that they were bidden by the council, they prayed to God and sat down to meat with the men and did eat and drink, and rose up and came in peace unto Jerusalem.
5 And on the morrow the council was set in the synagogue, and they examined them, saying: Did ye in very deed see Jesus sitting upon the mount Mamilch, as he taught his eleven disciples, and saw ye him taken up? And the men answered them and said: Even as we saw him taken up, even so did we tell it unto you.
6 Annas saith: Set them apart from one another, and let us see if their word agreeth. And they set them apart one from another, and they call Addas first and say unto him: How sawest thou Jesus taken up? Addas saith: While he yet sat upon the Mount Mamilch and taught his disciples, we saw a cloud that overshadowed him and his disciples: and the cloud carried him up into heaven, and his disciples lay (al. prayed, lying) on their faces upon the earth. And they called Phinees the priest, and questioned him also, saying: How sawest thou Jesus taken up? And he spake in like manner. And again they asked Aggaeus, and he also spake in like manner. And the council said: It is contained in the law of Moses: At the mouth of two or three shall every word be established.
Abuthem (Bouthem Gr., Abudem lat., Abuden, Abuthen Arm.,om. Copt.) the teacher saith: It is written in the law: Enoch walked with God and is not, because God took him. Jaeirus the teacher said: Also we have heard of the death of the holy Moses and have not seen him; for it is written in the law of the Lord: And Moses died at the mouth of the Lord, and no man knew of his sepulchre unto this day. And Rabbi Levi said: Wherefore was it that Rabbi Symeon said when he saw Jesus: Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel and for a sign spoken against? And Rabbi Isaac said: It is written in the law: Behold I send my messenger before thy face, which shall go before thee to keep thee in every good way, for my name is named thereon.
7 Then said Annas and Caiaphas: Ye have well said those things which are written in the law of Moses, that no man saw the death of Enoch, and no man hath named the death of Moses. But Jesus spake before Pilate, and we know that we saw him receive buffets and spittings upon his face, and that the soldiers put on him a crown of thorns and that he was scourged and received condemnation from Pilate, and that he was crucified at the place of a skull and two thieves with him, and that they gave him vinegar to drink with gall, and that Longinus the soldier pierced his side with a spear, and that Joseph our honourable father begged his body, and that, as he saith, he rose again, and that (lit. as) the three teachers say: We saw him taken up into heaven, and that Rabbi Levi spake and testified to the things which were spoken by Rabbi Symeon, and that he said: Behold this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel and for a sign spoken against.
And all the teachers said unto all the people of the Lord: If this hath come to pass from the Lord, and it is marvelous in our eyes, ye shall surely know, O house of Jacob, that it is written: Cursed is every one that hangeth upon a tree. And another scripture teacheth: The gods which made not the heaven and the earth shall perish.
And the priests and the Levites said one to another: If his memorial endure until the Sommos (Copt. Soum) which is called Jobel (i. e. the Jubilee), know ye that he will prevail for ever and raise up for himself a new people.
Then the rulers of the synagogue and the priests and the Levites admonished all Israel, saying: Cursed is that man who shall worship that which man's hand hath made, and cursed is the man who shall worship creatures beside the Creator. And all the people said: Amen, Amen.
And all the people sang an hymn unto the Lord and said: Blessed be the Lord who hath given rest unto the people of Israel according to all that he spake. There hath not one word fallen to the ground of all his good saying which he spake unto his servant Moses. The Lord our God be with us as he was with our fathers: let him not forsake us. And let him not destroy us from turning our heart unto him, from walking in all his ways and keeping his statutes and his judgements which he commanded our fathers. And the Lord shall be King over all the earth in that day. And there shall be one Lord and his name one, even the Lord our King: he shall save us.
There is none like unto thee, O Lord. Great art thou, O Lord, and great is thy name.
Heal us, O Lord, by thy power, and we shall be healed: save us, Lord, and we shall be saved: for we are thy portion and thine inheritance.
And the Lord will not forsake his people for his great name's sake, for the Lord hath begun to make us to be his people.
And when they had all sung this hymn they departed every man to his house, glorifying God. [For his is the glory, world without end. Amen.]
In knowing Christ died in the Ninth hour on a preparation day it would have taken a few hours of time to beg for the body of Christ and bury him. There would have only been approximately 3 hours to have completed this task if the Messiah was to be placed in the tomb around sunset. If Christ died on a Friday there is no way for Joseph to have been Captured in the 10th hour on the preparation Day since he would have still been burying the Messiah at this time. The testimony above places Joseph in the synagogue on the preparation day being taken captive in the 10th hour. (see week prior to Death time line slide 5)
If Christ Died in 30 AD, Christ would have died on Wednesday Per the tradition of the Jews following Passover, allowing for the time to pass for all the events to have taken place that are recorded in this testimony.

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Herbert Armstrong is not the best of examples, but i have not read his rendition.
Fir is Fri or Friday with a typeo [Wink]

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Herbert Armstrong and the Crucifixion

3 Days + 3 Nights = 1 False Doctrine

Peter Ditzel

Is knowing the precise number of hours Jesus Christ’s dead body lay in the tomb of any great significance? Worldwide Church of God (WCG) founder Herbert W. Armstrong (1892–1986) would have had you believe it is. The WCG published The Resurrection Was Not on Sunday[1] and The Crucifixion Was Not on Friday.[2] Both of these booklets—the first written by Armstrong and the second by Armstrong’s disciple, Herman L. Hoeh (1928–2004)—cover this subject.

Armstrong asserted, "Jesus staked his claim to being your Saviour and mine upon remaining three days and three nights in the tomb."[3] By "three days and three nights" Armstrong meant precisely 72 hours. [4] This amazing claim is the reason I decided to cover this topic on this website. There can hardly be anything more vital than whether Jesus Christ is our Savior. Before examining any relationship between the amount of time Jesus was in the tomb and His being our Savior, I will first ask, How long was Jesus in the tomb?

Three Days and Three Nights

The key scripture upon which the Worldwide Church of God bases its teaching on this subject is Matthew 12:39-40 : "But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: for as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Herbert W. Armstrong and his current-day followers say that for Jesus to have been in the "heart of the earth"—the tomb—for three days and three nights, He could not possibly have been crucified and buried on Friday and then rise on Sunday morning. This, they say, would be only two nights—Friday night and Saturday night—and one day—Saturday.[5] Instead, Armstrongism teaches a Wednesday crucifixion: that Jesus died late Wednesday and rose from death late Saturday afternoon. [6] Notice that according to Armstrong, Jesus rose on the seventh-day Sabbath as opposed to the teaching of orthodox Christianity that Jesus rose on the first day of the week.

What Armstrong says on this matter has the sound of being reasonable. After all, 72 hours prior to a Sunday morning resurrection would mean Jesus had to have died Thursday morning. But Jesus could not have died in the morning because the three synoptic Gospels say that Jesus died about the "ninth hour" (Matthew 27:45-50; Mark 15:33-37, and Luke 23:44-46), meaning about three o’clock in the afternoon. This does not, however, mean that Armstrong is correct. In fact, he makes a major error in taking "three days and three nights" to mean 72 hours.

"Three days and three nights" is a Hebrew idiom that the Greek of Matthew 12:40 follows. Concerning this idiom, a near contemporary of Jesus, Rabbi Eleazar ben Azariah (circa A.D. 100), said, "A day and a night make an ’onah [a twenty-four hour period], and the portion of an ’onah is reckoned as a complete ’onah." [7] In Hebrew, then, a portion of a day could be counted as a complete day. As R. T. France writes, "Three days and three nights was a Jewish idiom appropriate to a period covering only two nights." [8] Numerous commentators support this position. Although written in Greek, Matthew 12:40 expresses the Hebrew idiom—"three days and three nights"—that was understood by the Jews listening to Jesus to mean one full day and portions of two others with the intervening nights.

Flying in the face of this evidence, Armstrong appeals to some anonymous "higher critics" who supposedly "admit that in the Hebrew language, in which the book of Jonah was written, the expression ’three days and three nights’ means a period of 72 hours—three 12-hour days and three 12-hour nights."[9] The scripture in question in Jonah is, "Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights" (Jonah 1:17).

Now notice what C. F. Keil and F. Delitzsch write concerning Jonah 1:17 in their Commentary on the Old Testament: "The three days and three nights are not to be regarded as fully three times twenty-four hours, but are to be interpreted according to Hebrew usage, as signifying that Jonah was vomited up again on the third day after he had been swallowed."[10] George L. Robinson writes, "The statement that Jonah was in the belly of the fish ’three days and three nights,’ is an oriental way of expressing the fact that he was in the fish so long that apart from God’s sustaining power, he was dead and beyond the possibility of human resuscitation."[11]

Besides agreeing that "three days and three nights" was a Hebrew idiom, H. L. Ellison adds this practical note:

Once Jonah was on dry land again, he could make some kind of estimate of how long he had been in the fish. Yet, to make any exact measure of the number of hours would have been impossible for him. Roused suddenly from a deep slumber, stupefied by the violence of the storm, and in all probability seasick, Jonah would have been in no position to know at what hour he was thrown overboard. Furthermore, on reaching the shore he would have needed time to collect his wits. Clearly, then, the term "three days and three nights" is intended as an approximation, not a precise period of seventy-two hours. [12]

Further evidence that Jesus was using a Hebrew idiom may be found in Luke 11:29-32: “And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation. The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here. The men of Nineveh shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.”

Notice that Luke completely leaves out any reference to "three days and three nights." Why? Luke was a Gentile. As such, he left out the Hebrew idiom. Instead, in Luke 9:22; 18:33; 24:7, 21, 46; and Acts 10:40, Luke uses the much clearer and more direct "the third day." Luke’s omission of "three days and three nights" will prove significant later when we examine the nature of the sign of Jonah.

Is there anywhere else in the Bible that contains further evidence that "three days and three nights" is not to be understood literally? Yes. Esther 4:15-16 reads, "Then Esther bade them return Mordecai this answer, Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day: I also and my maidens will fast likewise; and so will I go in unto the king, which is not according to the law: and if I perish, I perish."

Esther says she and her maids are not going to eat or drink for "three days, night or day." Only when she is finished fasting will she go in unto the king. This is made a little clearer in the Revised Standard Version (and many other translations), which says, “I and my maids will also fast as you do. Then I will go to the king….” In other words, Esther is saying that she is going to fast, and then—after the fast—she will go to the king. If "three days, night or day" is to be taken literally, it would mean 72 hours. Esther’s fast would last 72 hours, and she would not be able to go to the king until after 72 hours. This would be the fourth day at the earliest. Is this what the Bible says? No.

Esther 5:1 states: "Now it came to pass on the third day, that Esther put on her royal apparel, and stood in the inner court of the king’s house, over against the king’s house: and the king sat upon his royal throne in the royal house, over against the gate of the house." Esther did not wait until the fourth day to go to the king. She went on the third day. The fast that was to last for "three days, night or day" was, by the third day, already completed.

Completely ignoring that Esther said she would fast and then go to see the king, the Worldwide Church of God’s Herman Hoeh, in an attempt to say that Esther fasted for a full 72 hours, writes, "Which day was this? The third day of the fast. Suppose Queen Esther had requested the Jews late Friday evening, shortly before sunset, to fast. The first day of their fast would have been Saturday, the second day would have been Sunday, and the third day, Monday, the queen would have entered the king’s palace. Isn’t that plain? The Jews did not fast parts of three days, but three days, night and day."[13]

This makes no sense unless Esther was still fasting when she went to see the king. But she said she would fast and then go to see the king. Need further proof that Esther’s fast of "three days, night or day" was completed by the third day? Read Esther 5:4: "And Esther answered, If it seem good unto the king, let the king and Haman come this day unto the banquet that I have prepared for him." The day called "this day" in this verse is the very same day that is called "the third day" in verse 1. In verse 6 we read, "And the king said unto Esther at the banquet of wine, What is thy petition? and it shall be granted thee: and what is thy request? even to the half of the kingdom it shall be performed." The Revised Standard and other modern versions render the first part of this verse as, “And as they were drinking wine.” So on the third day Esther was drinking wine at a banquet, even though she said she would not eat or drink for "three days, night or day." "Three days, night or day" must mean a period of less than 72 hours. The Bible itself proves that Herbert Armstrong’s explanation is flawed.

http://www.wordofhisgrace.org/3days.htm

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quote:
Originally posted by barrykind:
"THE FIRST DAY OF THE FEAST" - "THE HIGH DAY" (Yom tov) - THE 15TH DAY OF NISAN.
(Our Wednesday sunset to Thursday sunset.)
THE FIRST NIGHT AND FIRST DAY IN THE TOMB.

THE SECOND DAY OF THE FEAST - THE 16TH DAY OF NISAN.
(Our Thursday sunset to Friday sunset.)
THE SECOND NIGHT AND SECOND DAY IN THE TOMB.

THE THIRD DAY OF THE FEAST - "THE (WEEKLY) SABBATH" - THE 17TH DAY OF NISAN
(Our Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.)
THE THIRD NIGHT AND THIRD DAY IN THE TOMB.

"THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK" - THE 18TH DAY OF NISAN
(Our Saturday sunset : "the third day" of Matt. 16:21, &c.; not the third day of the Feast.)

You don't even know for sure what year He was crucified, so how can you list these dates as if they were fact? You can't. Passover begins on 15 Nissan, yes, but you can't say it was Wednesday sunset to Thursday sunset. 15 Nissan falls on different days of the week depending on the year.
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quote:
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Sister Carol States:

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The reason it is tradition is because it is true. There is a lot of evidence to support a Friday Crucifixion and Sunday Resurrection.
There is NO evidence to support such a "theory"

There is no 3 days and 3 nights from Fir to sunday Sister, dont let traditions of men blind your eyes.

What is "Fir"?

Maybe you're the one who's blind. You base your entire doctrine on ONE verse. You ignore ALL the other verses that refer to the death and resurrection, and ALL the other verses through-out the Bible that refer to three days, and you focus on just ONE verse. You ignore 2000 years of Bible scholars and theologians and just assume that in all that time there was not even one devoted, Spirit-filled Christian intelligent enough to see the truth until you came along. How blind is THAT? Actually, this whole Wednesday idea started with that diabolical bean-head Armstrong who decided to change everything with his WWCG cult.
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Herman L. Hoeh, The Crucifixion Was Not on Friday (Pasadena, CA: Worldwide Church of God, 1979)

Herbert W. Armstrong, The Resurrection Was Not on Sunday (Pasadena, CA: Worldwide Church of God, 1988)
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Three days and nights does NOT mean 72 hours. Read this if you dare to learn the truth:

[Cross]
Those who believe Jesus was crucified on Wednesday refer to Matthew 12:40. This verse has Jesus saying: "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Proponents of a Wednesday crucifixion say that this statement means Jesus was exactly three days and three nights – or 72 hours – in the grave. Thus he was buried near sunset Wednesday evening and resurrected Saturday evening.

However, if we read the 20 other places in the New Testament in which Jesus and the apostles refer to the length of time he would spend in the tomb, we would be forced to conclude that they do not teach a literal three-day stay in the tomb. You may check the following verses where the length of time between Jesus’ death and burial, and his resurrection, is mentioned: Matthew 16:21; 17:23; 20:19; 26:61; 27:40, 64; Mark 9:31; 10:34; 14:58; 15:29; Luke 9:22; 13:32; 18:33; 24:7, 21, 46; John 2:19, 20; Acts 10:40; 1 Corinthians 15:4. In 20 places indefinite expressions such "on the third day he will be raised" are given as the length of time between these events.

Those who believe in a Wednesday crucifixion disregard the inexactness as to time in these passages and interpret them by Matthew 12:40 in a literal manner, as exactly 72 hours. But this line of reasoning creates a contradiction. For example, Matthew, who used the phrase "three days and three nights" to refer to the length of Jesus’ burial, also has him saying: "The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men. They will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised to life" (17:23).

Taking the phrase in 12:40 "three days and three nights" as denoting exactly 72 hours creates an internal problem with 17:23 in the Gospel of Matthew. Here's why. The elapsed time between being killed and then rising "on the third day," as described in 17:23, is longer than the time between rising after being buried, as discussed in 12:40. Yet, 17:23 uses an expression ("on the third day") that implies a shorter period of time – if we demand that Matthew 12:40 ("three days and three nights") must be a literal 72 hours. For something to occur "on" the third day is for it to happen in less time than at the point when three literal days have passed. But Jesus was killed some time before he was buried. How, then, could the time between his death and resurrection be "on the third day" (or less than three literal days) but the time between his burial and resurrection be after three days or 72 hours?

Therefore, to demand that the phrase "three days and three nights" must be taken literally as a 72-hour period creates what appears to be a contradiction within the Gospel of Matthew. The 72-hour theory also causes Matthew to be in conflict with what Mark, Luke, John and Paul say about the duration of time between Jesus’ death and burial, and his resurrection.

Yet, proponents of a Wednesday crucifixion still say that we should take Matthew 12:40 literally. Their view is that Jesus said he would be resurrected after three days and three nights in the tomb, and that is how we should read him. But, must we or should we take Matthew 12:40 literally?

Perhaps the source of the confusion over Matthew 12:40 occurs precisely because we try to read it in a literal fashion, as though it referred to a time period of exactly 72 hours. What we may be doing is reading our modern views of time exactness into an ancient figure of speech that didn’t contain it, or imposing our sense of precise time-telling on the ancient Jewish sense. In fact, Matthew 12:40 may be consistent with and reflect the way people thought of time in their day, not in our era.

Are there any biblical examples where "after three days and three nights" may not mean exactly 72 hours? Yes, 1 Samuel 30 is an example. The account in this chapter is about David and the Amalekites, and certain events in the village of Ziklag. Verse one tells us that, "David and his men reached Ziklag on the third day" (emphasis ours throughout). Upon arriving at Ziklag, David encountered an Egyptian, the slave of an Amalekite. He told David, "My master abandoned me when I became ill three days ago" (verse 13). The account also says that the Egyptian had not eaten or drunk for "three days and three nights" (verse 12).

"On the third day" is not necessarily three full days. In fact, it would be less than 72 hours. "Three days ago" is equally vague, as it could be less than three full days. Yet, this time is equated with "three days and three nights." It’s certainly possible, or even probable, that we are not dealing with a full 72-hour period here. If that is the case, then "three days and three nights" could be an idiomatic expression that would refer to parts of three days. 1 Samuel 30 indicates that "three days and three nights" was an expression that did not necessarily mean a full 72 hours. Other examples where variants of the expression "three days" are used includes the following passages: Genesis 42:17-18 ("for three days" = "on the third day"); 2 Chronicles 10:5, 12 ("three days later" = "in three days") and Esther 4:16-5:1 ("for three days" = "on the third day").

Do we lose anything meaningful about Jesus’ death and resurrection if Matthew 12:40 is an inexact reference to the time lapse between these two events? The New Testament references mentioned above are inexact as measured by our time-telling standards, but they still establish the fact that Jesus was in the tomb for a long enough period of time that there would be no question he was dead. Being in the tomb parts of three days, (which a Friday crucifixion-Sunday resurrection would allow), is enough to demonstrate this.

However, proponents of a 72-hour burial say that how long Jesus was in the tomb was the sign that he gave of his messiahship. But is this true? While the apostles referred in a general manner to the length of time Jesus was dead and buried, they never used the chronological measurement as the proof. They used such expressions as "after three days" or "on the third day," but they did not attempt to prove an exact length of time. The apostles spoke of the resurrection itself, not the length of time, as the proof that Jesus is the Messiah. It stands to reason that the fact of Jesus’ death and resurrection is what demonstrates him to be our Savior. Whether Jesus was in the tomb two days, three days or ten days has no bearing on the issue of his messiahship.

In summary, if we remember that the phrase "three days and three nights" is an expression of the disciples’ culture, rather than scientific exactness, then we should have no problem with understanding Matthew 12:40. The "sign" that Jesus gave was not the length of time that he would be in the tomb, but it was the fact that he would die, be buried and be raised to life. We need not be concerned about the exact time Jesus was in the tomb, for our salvation does not depend on that. What is important is that Jesus died and was resurrected to become our Savior (2 Corinthians 15:3-4).

http://www.gci.org/jesus/howlong

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"THE FIRST DAY OF THE FEAST" - "THE HIGH DAY" (Yom tov) - THE 15TH DAY OF NISAN.
(Our Wednesday sunset to Thursday sunset.)
THE FIRST NIGHT AND FIRST DAY IN THE TOMB.

THE SECOND DAY OF THE FEAST - THE 16TH DAY OF NISAN.
(Our Thursday sunset to Friday sunset.)
THE SECOND NIGHT AND SECOND DAY IN THE TOMB.

THE THIRD DAY OF THE FEAST - "THE (WEEKLY) SABBATH" - THE 17TH DAY OF NISAN
(Our Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.)
THE THIRD NIGHT AND THIRD DAY IN THE TOMB.

"THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK" - THE 18TH DAY OF NISAN
(Our Saturday sunset : "the third day" of Matt. 16:21, &c.; not the third day of the Feast.)

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John 3:3;Mark 8:34-38;James 1:27

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FRIDAY
Nisan 9th

John 12:1--"Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany..."

Jericho to Bethany
Last Half of Journey



SATURDAY
Nisan 10th

John 12:12,13--"On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna..."

Mark 11:11--"And Jesus entered into Jerusalem, and into the temple: and when he had looked round about upon all things, and now the eventide was come, he went out unto Bethany with the twelve."

The Triumphal Entry
Jewish Seventh-Day Sabbath
"Palm Saturday"



SUNDAY
Nisan 11th

Mark 11:12,13--"And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry: And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came..."

Mark 11:15--"And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple..."

Mark 11:19--"And when even was come, he went out of the city."

Cursing of the Fig Tree
Cleansing of the Temple



MONDAY
Nisan 12th

Mark 11:20--"And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots."

Mark 11:27--"And they come again to Jerusalem..."

--Late in Day--

Matt. 24:1--"And Jesus went out..."

Matt. 24:3--"...He sat upon the mount of Olives..."

Matt. 26:2--"Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover..."

Battles with His Enemies
Announces that After Two Days the Passover



TUESDAY
Nisan 13th

Matt. 26:6,7--"Now when Jesus was in Bethany, in the house of Simon the leper, There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment..."

--Afternoon--

Matt. 26:17--"Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?

Matt. 26:19--"And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover."

Olivet Discourse Concluded
Supper at Simon's House
On Next Afternoon Peter and John Prepare Passover



WEDNESDAY
Nisan 14th

--Just After Sunset--

Matt. 26:20--"Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve."

--Then came Gethsemane and the arrest, the religious trial before day, the trial before Pilate in the morning, the crucifixion by noon--

Mark 15:42,43--"And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath..."

--Joseph of Arimathea went unto Pilate and requested the body of Jesus which he buried in his own tomb.

Mark 15:47--"And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid."

God's Passover
Jews' "Preparation Day"
Passover Eaten
Jesus Crucified "Between the Evenings"
"Good Wednesday"



THURSDAY
Nisan 15th

Matt. 27:62--"Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate." And secured a watch for the tomb.

John 19:31--"...For that sabbath day was an high day..."

Lev. 23:6--"And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD..."

Lev. 23:7--"...Ye shall do no servile work therein."

Passover Sabbath
(The Day of "Passover and Unleavened Bread")
Jesus in Tomb



FRIDAY
Nisan 16th

Mark 16:1--"And when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him."

Luke 23:56--"And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments..."

Preparation Day of Seventh-Day Sabbath
First Visit of the Women
Jesus in Tomb



SATURDAY
Nisan 17th

Luke 23:56--"And rested the sabbath day according to the commandment."

Matt. 28:2--"And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it."

Seventh-Day Sabbath
Jesus in Tomb
Resurrection at Sundown



SUNDAY
Nisan 18th

Luke 24:1--"Now upon the first day of the week, very early on the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them."

Luke 24:2--"And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre."

Luke 24:3--"And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus."

Lev. 23:10,11--"...Then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest...On the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it."

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Matt . 12 : 40. "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Aпу claim to True Messiahship stands or falls by the exact fulfilment of this very Sign.

But - - - stretch as you may - 3 DAYS AND 3 NIGHTS can never ever be found in man's most common teaching of a "Good Friday" Crucifixion and an "Easter Sunday" Resurrection - can you figure it


Read the astounding Scriptural account of the facts on which Messiah based His claims of being the TRUE Saviour ... for, UNLESS He failed the Test set by Himself ... then
- Messiah was NOT crucified on 'GOOD FRIDAY’
- Neither was He resurrected on 'EASTER SUNDAY’.


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It is commonly supposed that Messiah was crucified on "Good Friday" and that He was raised from the grave early on "Easter Sunday".


For centuries Christians have blindly followed this belief and attended ceremonies on these two very popular, and to them, significant "holy days" – ‘Good Friday’ and ‘Easter Sunday’. Very few indeed, thought of questioning these customs and traditions. The Bible, however, tells us to prove all things. With the great explosion of knowledge in the last century, and in fulfillment of the prophecies of Daniel given many centuries earlier, this has notably been the tendency and many 'vain traditions of man' have been exposed in the process by this in-depth search of the Scriptures. Through the prophet Daniel it was foretold that "....they that understand among the people, shall instruct many" - just prior to the final closing scenes of this era (Daniel 12:4; 11:33; Mark 7:7). The reader will be astounded by proof from the Bible as to what the real facts behind these traditional 'Easter' customs are.


WHAT DID MESSIAH SAY CONCERNING HIS BURIAL AND RESURRECTION?

The inquiring Pharisees were asking Him for a SIGN - they required evidence as proof that He was the promised Messiah. "But He answered and said unto them, 'an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and there shall NO sign be given to it, but the sign of the Prophet Jonas. for as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth", (i.e. grave) (Matt. 12:39).
Jonah 1:17, ".... and Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights".


YAHU’SHUAH offered this exclusive sign as evidence of His Messiah-ship. This evidence was not just the fact that He would be resurrected from the grave. No, His challenge claimed more; infinitely more .... a Resurrection claim was issued with a specific TIME STIPULATION!


If He could be proven wrong regarding this period of time that He had stipulated to be in the grave; if He did not fulfill the sign of the Prophet Jonah exactly as to the time factor required before He would be "spewn" out of the grave by the Resurrection (as Jonah after three days and three nights was spewn out of the belly of the fish to become the saviour of Nineveh); then the enemy would have had the full right to call Him a liar and an imposter. He would then have had no claim to being the Messiah, the Saviour. Then you would be worshipping Him in vain and you would be destined for eternal DEATH (hell) without a Saviour!


Consider please, the tremendous importance of this Sign. YAHU’SHUAH staked His claim to being your Saviour upon fulfilling this Sign by remaining exactly three days and three nights in the tomb.


Can one wonder why the enemy has done his utmost to deny that the Saviour had really fulfilled the type (Sign) of Jonah to the very letter? Can one wonder why the Christians who had come into the ranks of the early True Church at Corinth, tried to bring the whole of the Resurrection doctrine into dispute? (1 Cor. 15:12 - 20). This is probably the same reason why the Jews who opposed His Messiahship, paid the Roman soldiers who were at His Grave, to give a false account concerning the Resurrection? (Matt. 28:11 - 15). Can one wonder why modern Christian religious teachers today, are still eternalizing the same falsifications of the Resurrection Victory of the True Messiah, triumphantly overcoming Death “after three days and three nights in the Grave?”


By these false doctrines and traditions the silent insinuation is formatted that Messiah is an imposter - the very thing He intended to disprove by giving this Sign! In fact, Muslim teachers have used this inconsistency in the teachings of Christians, to ‘prove’ that He was not the True Messiah.


YAHU’SHUAH however, has put the seal of the lie where it belongs, in saying, John 8:44 "The devil is your father... He was a murderer from the start; he was never grounded in the Truth; there is NO truth in him at all........ because he is a liar and the father of lies.". Here He was correcting His accusers who denied Him as the True Messiah


HOW IS THIS SIGN OF MESSIAH

INTERPRETED AND FALSIFIED?


Traditional Christian interpretation holds, that Messiah was crucified on "Good Friday", buried just before sunset on the same day and that He arose at about sunrise on "Easter Sunday."


Let us now analyze the TIME PERIOD, according to this common teaching of man, that He was supposed to have been in the grave:


IN THE GRAVE

DAYS NIGHTS
FRIDAY

Buried just before sunset


SATURDAY

In the Grave


SUNDAY

Risen before sunrise
-
One Day

-
One Night
One Night

-

Total
One day Two nights


Because of the peculiar position that this theory places commentators in, they have come up with varying suggestions as to how this period should really be counted. They then make the following wild statements and adjustments to the above record of Time reckoning:


Add to above table
IN THE GRAVE
DAYS NIGHTS
FRIDAY

Count part day before sunset


SATURDAY

Already counted


SUNDAY

Risen before sunrise – yet

Count the FULL day

One Day

-


One Day
-

-


-

Cumulative Total
Three days Two nights


However, this unwarranted stretching of time does not clear their dilemma, because, stretch as you may. THREE NIGHTS can never ever be found in this interpretation of a Friday Crucifixion – Sunday Resurrection.


Some expositors go even further and claim that, "in the original Greek language, the term 'three days and three nights' means THREE PERIODS..." YAHU’SHUAH never said anything that may be construed as meaning three 'periods' only. He stated exactly what He meant, namely. that He would be in the grave for three days (of 12 hours each = 36 hours), and three equivalent nights (= 36 hours), making a total of 72 hours – or 3 x 24 hours.


These same critics admit that in the Hebrew language, in which the account of Jonah's experience had originally been recorded in the Tanach (‘Old’ Testament), the term "three days and three nights" means a period of 72 hours. YAHU’SHUAH referred to this exact incident of Jonah (which all agree here, means 72 hours) and stated, "AS Jonah was.... so shall the Son of Man be".


YAHU’SHUAH was well aware of this system of time reckoning and explicitly stated, "Are there not twelve hours in the day.... but if a man walks in the night, he stumbles". (John 11:9,10). He was not referring to Greek time nor any other heathen time calculation (like the Roman instituted reckoning of the 'day' from midnight to midnight instead of the Scriptural way of sunset to sunset). YAHU’SHUAH was a Jew by birth and the Jews, unto this day, reckon the day from sunset to sunset.


WHAT IS WRONG?


The Truth regarding this Time reckoning of the period that Messiah was in the Grave, will also reveal much about an entire section of Divine Institution which has gone lost for the Church. The fact that it involves the actual Reconciliatory Salvation brought about by YAHU’SHUA’s Death, should be sufficient reason for any serious follower of Messiah to take this matter serious. Even if it just brings the believer to the realization that there is an entire vitally important section of the True Faith that have been concealed by this misinterpretation and distortion of this vital Sign of “Three Days and Three Nights.”


YAHU'SHUAH warned against "making the Word of the Almighty of none effect through your traditions" (Mark 7:13). His true followers should be guided by the Bible and not by tradition. The Bible in its original transcript does not say that YAHU’SHUAH was crucified on Friday or that He rose on Sunday! Modern translators however, are fast changing this by planting the word ‘Friday’ in their new translation versions, when the original text refers to “the Preparation” day. In doing this, they actually prove, that translators are guided by, and impose their own understanding of the Faith on readers and students of the Bible. This is a very natural human tendency – and there would be nothing wrong in it, providing that the translator was founded on the Original One True Faith of the Creator God of Israel. In such a translation the reader may well assume that he has 'Bible' proof for the Friday-crucifixion theory! But, is this what the Scriptures really tell us? From this instance the reader should realize how important it is to use different Bible.


When we realize how the “Preparation Day” and the true Crucifixion Day fits into the actual Bible Calendar, we will discover an entire new Revelationary section of the One True Faith and its Divine Purpose. In this way, we will discover that the Bible, when studied in its true perspective, tells a completely different story to what modern man is generally teaching and believing about the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Messiah.


THE “SIGN” OF JONAH


Jonah was a "type" of the Saviour to come. After 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the fish, he became the 'saviour' of the gentile city, Nineveh.


Jonah’s experience must have been well known to the average Jew of Messiah’s time. After all, he was one of their countrymen – and who gets swallowed by a whale, to survive and be spewed out in another country after three days? If His opposers realized that YAHU’SHUAH was pointing out to them that Jonah was a ‘type’ of the Messiah Whom they were actually waiting for, they would have realized Who He was when this Sign was fulfilled by His Resurrection from the Grave 3 days later.. The Crucifixion week, which culminated in a huge earthquake in Jerusalem, and the day turning to night in broad daylight, surely did not go unnoticed. The religious leaders were also well aware that His Grave was empty on Sunday morning!


And if the modern day teachers would study the Bible more closely, then they too would not deny the fact that Messiah was in the grave for the full 72 hours that He stipulated. The Jews would not believe Him,. neither does main stream modern Christianity believe Him!


After YAHU’SHUAH had driven the money changers from the Temple in Jerusalem, "the Jews intervened and said. 'What sign can you show us to justify what you have done?' He answered, 'Destroy this sanctuary and in three days I will raise it up'. He was of course speaking of the Sanctuary that was His BODY" (John 2:18-21. See also Luke 9:22; 11:29-30, Mark 9:31, Matt. 17 verses 22,23).


At His trials, YAHU’SHUAH was thus also accused of "claiming to destroy the Temple of the Almighty and rebuilding it in three days". In this way He was made out to be a revolutionary!


It is true that YAHU’SHUAH claimed to *raise it up' Himself, although He was talking of His Body (which would of course be in the grave). This fact is overlooked by most students of the Bible, yet, an astounding Revelation is locked up in this statement of YAHU’SHUAH.


"In three days I ... (Who?) ... I (YAHU’SHUAH) will raise it up". This statement of .Messiah was taken seriously by the Jews. They consequently obtained permission from the authorities to seal the Sepulcher and place a Roman soldiers watch at the Grave (Matt. 27:64).


But.... had they known Who He really was, they would never have tried to hold Him to the grave with their frail human devices of chains and locks! Had they known Who YAHU’SHUAH truly was, they would have realized that no Power on earth or in Heaven would hold Him to the grave, because .... HE IS THE ETERNAL MOST HIGH HIMSELF!


Yes, YHVH Who is the Eternal Creator and King (John 1:1.3 and 10;
Rev. 17:14), was the One Who indwelt that ‘Human Temple’, (Col. 2:9).He (YAHU’SHUAH). would raise it up from the grave - The Eternal CANNOT die, but, His 'Humanity' could die - hence Messiah's Words,".... I will raise it up". John 2:19, 1 Tim./1:17.1 Tim. 3:16. (Write also for FREE copy of 'Who is the Eternal?')


And yet, after all hell broke loose on this earth as He blew out His last holy and innocent breath; while the earth was cast into three hours of darkness in the midst of day; as His Power once more rocked the earth to snap man's frustrated attempts to hold Him to the grave, and the seasoned guards at His Tomb fell like dead men to the ground - yet, Satan could give man the courage to invent a lie! For a large sum of money (Matt. 28:12), the soldiers were bribed into saying that the disciples had stolen His Body from the grave!


"The soldiers took the money and carried out their instructions, and to this day that is the story among the Jews". (Matt. 28:15).


Satan knew that he had lost and that the Resurrection had brought the final damnation upon himself and upon his 'children'. He knows too that his time is short, but he does not give up so easily, neither has his hatred for the True Messiah, YAHU’SHUAH, abated in any way! He planned very thoroughly and infiltrated the ranks of the Messianic followers in Corinth, starting a movement against the Resurrection Truth, as stated previously! (1 Cor. 15:12).


When blatant lies failed, the enemy brought in a more subtle argument against the Resurrection, to deceive those who would not deny that Messiah did arise from the Grave, They now claimed, "Yes, He did arise from the dead BUT NOT AS HE SAID He would. “He was not in the grave for three days and three nights at all, you see. He was only there part of the time!" How subtle! Without saying anything further, the impression has been founded that YAHU’SHUAH is a Liar and, after all, “only a fallible human being!”


WHEN DID THE CRUCIFIXION TAKE PLACE?


On which day was Messiah Crucified?


We read in Mark 15:42-47 about the events on that afternoon of the Crucifixion. "And now when the even was come. because it was THE PREPARATION, that is, the day before the Sabbath ... and he (Joseph) bought fine line, and took Him down. and wrapped Him in the linen and laid Him in a sepulcher, which was hewn out of a rock".


Does that not confirm the common belief that He was crucified on FRIDAY, seeing that Friday is the day ‘before’ the weekly Sabbath? We know that it states that His Body was lain in the grave ‘just before the Sabbath broke’, which is roughly at between 5 p.m. to 6 p.m. according to Bible time reckoning.


If the burial was on Friday, between 5 to 6 p.m., then 72 hours forward would bring us to between 5 to 6 p.m. on Monday afternoon for the Resurrection. By counting forward 3 nights, we also come to Monday for. This we cannot accept, as we read in John 20:1. "It was very early on the first day of the week (Sunday) and still dark. when Mary (Hebrew Name: Miriam) of Magdala came to the Tomb. She saw that the stone had been moved away from the Tomb". YAHU’SHUAH had already risen earlier! (Also Luke 24:1; Mark 16:2).


On the other hand again: if He was risen on Sunday, as is commonly taught, then it leaves us with one hour maximum for Friday (in the grave), plus 24 hours for Saturday, plus a maximum of 12 hours for Sunday (reckoning from sunset to sunset). Which ever way we count, it leaves us with a maximum total of 37 hours, or ONE day and TWO nights in the Grave - as previously explained in this study.


Shall we now stop right there and find fault with the time reckoning of YAHU'SHUAH, or shall we search through the scriptures for the answer? Something is wrong somewhere and that is obvious, isn't it? - but what and where?


THE LIE EXPOSED


Let us then start from the earliest time that we know (according to the Bible), that He was already risen from the Grave. From here we will work BACK in time, to find a rough starting point for the time of the Crucifixion. Let us presume, therefore, that He rose at roughly 5 a.m. on Sunday morning. According to John 20:1 and Mark 16:2, it was still dark, just as the sun was rising, when the women visited the Grave and,.... found it empty! He had already risen earlier.... it may have been much earlier! Counting BACK 72 hours from here, would bring us to roughly 5 a.m. on Thursday morning. Well this also cannot be, for we know that He was buried just before SUNSET, which is between 5 and 6 p.m. We must therefore set the time back even further, seeing that we have scriptural proof that YAHSHUAH definitely did not arise later than sunrise on Sunday. He could therefore have risen much earlier than sunrise.


This brings us to WEDNESDAY at 5 to 6p.m. (See chart).


Could this have been the time that YAHU’SHUAH was crucified? Could it possibly have been on a Wednesday just before sunset?


But, you will say, remember that the next day was the Sabbath and Thursday most certainly is not the Sabbath. Well, this is the very fact that has confused people – a fact which will reveal an entire section of the One True Biblical Faith of YHVH. A fact that has completely been overlooked, because Christians have lost sight of the meaning of the SACRED BIBLICAL FEAST DAYS and what these really typify.


This Thursday was not the Sabbath that was Instituted at Creation, the weekly Sabbath, but it was a Sabbath that was instituted at the first Passover in Egypt (Exodus 12:14 – but read in context from verse 1). This Feast Day Sabbath would become one of a series of SEVEN of these ANNUAL SABBATH FEASTS (Hebrew: Chagim or Mo’adim). which would be revealed to Moses at Sinai as part of the entire Religious and Law System of YHVH (Leviticus 23:15. 24.32.31 & 39).


These annual Feasts were Sacred Sabbaths, called HIGH days. (John 19:31) which could occur on any day of the week. They were to be kept for ever! It is to these Sabbaths that the enemy has blinded people.


This Sabbath holds the key to the whole mystery! It had nothing to do with the creation Sabbath which is a weekly Sabbath. This Sabbath of the 15th of Aviv, is to be kept ONCE A YEAR only. This Sabbath is the Sabbath that was the day after the Passover Sacrifice. (Lev. 23: Ex.12).


This Sabbath was and is to this day, part of the Jewish festive period of Pesach (Passover). In Christianity this period has become known as ‘Easter’ and retains, at best, some vague similarities to Pesach, the Biblically ordained Feast.
This Pesach institution, required that a Pesach lamb had to be slaughtered on the 14th day of the Jewish month of Aviv (which later became known as Nisan). According to the revelation of God’s religious System, given at Sinai 50 days after the Exodus from Egypt (which was preceded by the Pesach Lamb Sacrifice), this Pesach Sacrifice was to be followed by the 7-day Festival of Unleavened Bread. The first of these 7 days (15th Aviv) was to be a Feast Sabbath and the last (21 Aviv).


This entire 8-day Festival became known as ‘Pesach’ (Passover) when the Death Angel of YHVH ‘passed over’ (skipped) the homes of those Israelites in Egypt which displayed the blood of the Sacrificial Lamb on their door posts. .
All churches accept that the Passover lamb slaughtered yearly by the Israelites, typified the True Lamb that had to come. John the Baptist pointed to YAHU’SHUAH and said, "Behold The Lamb of the Most High". (John 1:29). All churches also believe that Messiah was crucified at Pesach Time. John confirms this at the Crucifixion, in John 19:14.".... it was the PREPARATION of the Passover (14th Abib) and about the 6th hour (noon, and he said unto the Jews. 'Behold your King'".


The Feast of Unleavened Bread required that all leaven had to be cast out of Israelite homes by the14th (the Passover) - hence this day (14th Aviv) became traditionally known as the PREPARATION DAY. To this day, the weeks preceding Pesach is a very busy time for the lady of a Jewish home – the entire house (with emphasis on the kitchen) is cleaned out and cooking utensils are changed for the Festive period. (It may not be co-incidental that ‘spring clean’ of the home became a common term for Westerners – as Aviv in Hebrew means ‘Spring’ season). The father of the household inspects the home on this day in a special family ritual and the mother prepares food and special symbolic emblems for the evening’s Pesach Seder (supper). It is this Supper (Pesach Seder) that YAHU’SHUAH and His disciples prepared for – the ‘Last Supper’, before His Ordeal the next morning.


The month of Aviv was calculated from the appearing of the New Moon and irrespective of which day of the week this occurred, the Jews would count 14 days when the Pesach (Passover) commemoration would then start. The Pesach Sabbath is determined by the monthly phases of the moon, and not by the weekly cycle


In the year of the Crucifixion, the 14th of Aviv fell on a WEDNESDAY and the Thursday was the ANNUAL Sabbath Feast Day, a HIGH day. (study chart).


Click here to see full size chart


Further confirmation of these facts are also found in John 19:30, 31, which describes the events that took place immediately after the Crucifixion:


"It was Preparation Day and to prevent the bodies remaining on the cross during the Sabbath - since that Sabbath was a day of special solemnity (High Day) .... " (John 19:30-31; Ex. 12:16; Lev. 23:6). Sabbath means 'Rest -and that Thursday was a SABBATH-a solemn Festive Day - a day in commemoration of Israel's deliverance from bondage in Egypt –YAHU’SHUAH now having become our Deliverer from our exile and bondage.


WONDERFUL BIBLE PROOF


When these annual Feast Sabbaths were celebrated, it could well happen that there would be TWO Sabbaths in that certain week - the annual Sabbath. which could fall on any day of the week, and the weekly Sabbath -These, two Sabbaths, in certain years of course, could coincide - but otherwise, the weekly Sabbath (Saturday), was never called a ‘High Day’.- neither was it called a ‘Feast Day’, unless it coincided with the annual Chag or Feast Day.


The fact that there were two Sabbaths in the Crucifixion week is wonderfully proven by two apparently contradictory verses in the Bible.


The 1st of these is found in Mark 16:1 :


"When the Sabbath was OVER, Mary (and others) .... bought spices with which to go and anoint Him".


The 2nd is found in Luke 23:56:


After His body had been laid to the tomb. "....they returned and prepared spices and ointments, and rested the Sabbath day according to the Commandment".


We shall firstly apply these statements to the commonly accepted theory of Friday Crucifixion and Sunday-Resurrection, to see if it fits the picture. If Messiah was crucified on Friday, then according to the first verse, the women should have bought the spices on Saturday evening (i.e. 'after the Sabbath'). This would enable them to prepare it and go to the grave before sunrise on Sunday morning. But... read the 2nd verse! This states that, after they had prepared the spices, they rested on the Sabbath according to the Law! This would mean that the following day (Sunday) was also a Sabbath, so that they could not have gone to the grave until after Sunday. But Luke 24:1 explicitly states that the women went to the grave 'on the first day of the week' (Sunday), before dawn! So this theory does NOT fit.


HEAVEN WAS TO BE THE JUDGE -

HEAVEN WOULD DECLARE THE OUTCOME


"The Angel spoke and he said to the women. There is no need for you to be afraid. I know you are looking for YAHU’SHUAH, Who was crucified. He is not here. for He has risen, 'AS HE SAID He would.' " ( Matt. 28:5.6).


"AS HE SAID", dear reader. May these words be repeated a thousand times before proceeding! His time reckoning was not faulty. *AS HE SAID', means that He had kept His Word. If He.had not kept His word. then how could we trust Him to keep all the wonderful Promises He made to His followers for the future? By having fulfilled this Sign He gave those who doubted Him, we may be sure that every Promise of His will come true. The Eternal cannot lie, and YAHU’SHUAH IS THE ETERNAL - manifest in flesh! (1 Tim. 3:16; Titus 2:13; Rev. 1:8). Refer our Library of studies on the Oneness and the Deity of Messiah – http://www.revelations.org.za/MenuOneness.htm


"AS HE SAID"


The fact that Messiah was in the Grave the full length of time. as He said, is confirmed by

1 Cor. 15:3-4 : ".... I taught you what I had been taught myself, namely that Messiah died for our sins, in accordance with the Scriptures". ‘ (Whenever the New Testament refers to ‘the Scriptures’, it is referring to the Tanach – ‘Old Testament’, where the Sign of Jonah is recorded, to which Messiah referred as a type of His Messianic Reconciliation)

Refer http://www.revelations.org.za/Gospel.htm


According to which Scriptures? What was the Apostle Paul referring to? Remember that these words were written by Paul long before the New Testament even existed in consolidated format.. YAHU’SHUAH often used to refer to the 'Scriptures' also. These were the ‘Scriptures’, which they (of that time) had access to – i.e. the OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES. And only one verse in the Old Testament refers to this stipulated 3-day time factor. This was the verse that YAHU’SHUAH referred to in the book of Jonah. Chap. 1. verse 17, "And Jonah was in the belly of the fish THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS", after which he was spewed out near the city of Nineveh, because God wanted him to go and preach to the citizens of that evil city.. What is the deeper significance in this Sign? That, by rising from the Grave as ‘a New Man’, YAHU’SHUAH could now ‘remarry’ His divorced Bride, Israel, from which He was prevented by His Own Law after having given her a ‘Bill of Divorce’ Jeremiah 3:8 "I had repudiated disloyal Israel for all her adulteries and given her divorce papers.”


Yes. His Death and Resurrection was in accordance with the Scriptures - not contrary to it!


For centuries people have blindly followed the lie, in believing that Messiah arose on Sunday. There is absolutely NO Scriptural foundation for this belief.


WHEN DID THE RESURRECTION THEN TAKE PLACE?


Seeing that He was buried at roughly 5p.m. on Wednesday, then 72 hours hence will bring us to roughly 5p.m. on the weekly Sabbath. (Saturday) afternoon, as you will clearly see from the chart.


It was therefore a Sabbath Resurrection and not as is commonly believed and taught by Christians, a Sunday Resurrection!


RESULTANT CONTROVERSIES AND PROBLEMS


This teaching of ‘Three Days and Three Nights’ has been one of many Restorative Truths proclaimed by the Hebraic Roots Restoration Movement which arose over the last few decades. This Restoration Movement is simply a miraculous fulfillment of ancient Bible Prophecies which projected a Return to the One True Faith of YHVH, God of Israel, in the End Times.


As stated above, this Truth opens a whole section of neglected Bible Truths – neglected and unproclaimed by Christianity, that is. Our topic, in this case, reveals the Eternal Salvation and Redemption Plan as depicted by these Sacred Festive Seasons and Days. Once the Bible student becomes aware of this Cycle, the Revelationary Truth of how Messiah fulfilled these Feasts Days so spiritually meaningful and inspiringly becomes clearly evident. His Words and actions also then take deeper meaning.


However, the new restorative Truths also bring with it new controversies and problems. Far from rejecting progressive Truth because of these discrepancies, the honest seeker after Truth should realize that ultimate Truth will remain illusive, until Messiah returns to fully restore the One True Faith. Neither should the believer and true follower of YAHU’SHUAH take the defeatist attitude that, because we do not have the ultimate Truth, “it is not really incumbent on us to observe these Sacred Feasts.” Scripture is clear that we will be judged by the amount of Truth that we have received.


One such controversy which has given rise to great confusion and division amongst restorative believers, is the seeming discrepancy regarding the Pesach Seder which Messiah partook of one evening before the Jewish nation of His time, i.e. at the start of 14 Aviv while the Jews partook of it on the night (start) of 15 Aviv. Resultantly this raises questions about the Annual Feast Sabbath of 15 Aviv and the 14th

How could YAHU’SHUAH have fulfilled the designation of the ‘Pesach Sacrificial Lamb’ by partaking of the Pesach Seder one night before the Jews?

If Exodus 12 determines that the Pesach Lamb should be slaughtered at the start of the 14th Aviv, why was Messiah crucified only in the end of the 15th day, some 18 hours later?

Does this mean that the Rabbis have tampered with the Sacred Calendar and that we should therefore not follow the Jewish Calendar?

On which night should Messianic Hebraic Restorers partake of the Pesach Seder Supper, the 14th or the 15th?

These are all sincere questions and problems. The publisher of BIBLE REVELATIONS can at best, offer an opinion on these probably unsolvable issues.


It is my understanding that, because of these discrepancies, YHVH appointed an authoritative Voice on the issue by giving the Tribe of Judah (the Jews) the mandate to be the guardians and ‘managers’ of His System (Genesis 49:10; Psalms 60:7; Romans 3:2; Matthew 23:2) “until Shiloh comes to Rule”.


We should therefore in the interim, and for the sake of unity amongst His people, subject ourselves to this authoritative rule of the Rabbis of Judah. The lack of this leadership amongst the multitude of ‘Messianic Israel’ groups has caused a Babylonish confusion amongst these groups and a wild dash for leadership voicing. Unity is the furthest from their many spiritual achievements.
The chart is designed on basis of the Jewish Calendar, which after all, is the basic foundation of it all. The discrepancies regarding the 15th Aviv Sabbath versus the 14th, has been highlighted by an arrow on the chart. It seems, that YHVH has allowed Rabbinical tradition to move forward the Pesach Seder to coincide with the evening of the 15th Aviv Annual Sabbath – the 1st Day of Unleavened Bread, in order to make it physically possible for the Messiah to observe the Pesach Seder (“Last Supper”) on the proper Biblical date, the 14th of Aviv – i.e.. one night before the Jews in Jerusalem.


Without this, there would have been several impossible fulfillments for YAHU’SHUAH:


- He could impossibly have fulfilled the Sacrificial slaughter of the Pesach Lamb (by His Death) and yet partake of the Pesach Seder Himself. If the 14th indeed was the Day for the Pesach Seder, then the lamb should have been slaughtered at the end of the 13th day of Aviv, in the Crucifixion week, Tuesday afternoon before sunset. Certainly, that is when YAHU’SHUAH and His disciples slaughtered their Pesach Lamb – while he Himself, fulfilled it only 24 hours later in His own Death on the Stake. Thus, while the Jews were slaughtering their Pesach Lamb, He was dying on the Stake! Do we need more perfect fulfillment? But, it required a controversy regarding the Date. As regards the 14th being a Sabbath or not, is not very clear. Exodus 12::14 declares it a ‘Feast for YHVH’ and a Festival for ever’ – presumably a Sabbath, thus. The 15th, in Leviticus 23 is clearly declared a Feast Sabbath, being the 1st Day of Unleavened Bread, and separate from the 14th. Today, and even in Messiah’s time 2000 years ago, the 15th was celebrated for the Pesach Seder.- the 14th (Crucifixion Day) being the Day of Preparation.


On which night should modern Messianic Hebraic Roots Restorers observe the Seder Meal (‘the Lord’s Supper”)? If the current Restoration process entails a Return in unity to the One True Faith, then, like Jews, while there are certain discrepancies and uncertainties, it should wisely be best to follow YAHU’SHUAH’s clear instructions and follow the leadership of the Rabbis (Matthew 23:2). This, of course, is not a very popular suggestion amongst awakening Returnees to the One True Faith – and there should not be any doubts as to why this route has been so discredited by the Accusers of God’s elect!


One fact is for sure, in the Kingdom they will ALL sit on at the same table and at the same time. We may as well start practicing this attitude here – the lack of which may well disqualify us for entry into His Kingdom of Peace – not disunity.


A dreadful consideration is, that if the 14th is to be a Sabbath, then YAHU’SHUAH, the God of the Sabbath and the Festivals, was slaughtered on His own Sabbath! – just one more mockery added to the long list!


OTHER SINCERE OBJECTIONS

A. Mark 16:9. "Now when YAHU’SHUAH was risen early the first day of the week. He appeared first to Mary Magdalene". (King James version, Sacred Name restored).

This could very well seem to mean that He was resurrected on Sunday Morning. It could however, also mean, "when YAHSHUAH was (already) risen early the first day ... He appeared to Mary ..." Indeed, when He appeared to Mary. He WAS RISEN already! In fact, He was risen, late on Saturday afternoon, 'As He said', and as confirmed by the Angel at the empty Tomb in the dawning hours of Sunday.

B. Matt. 28:1. "In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn towards the first day of the week," the women came to the grave. "And behold there WAS a great earthquake." (King James).

This seems as if the Resurrection took place at the very time of their arrival. However, as confirmed in the margin of the reference edition, the more correct translation should read, "And behold, there HAD BEEN a great earthquake ..." (earlier thus — it does not say when exactly). By reading the Bible chapter in context we note that just a few verses later, in verse 6, the Angel confirms. "He is not here .. ."The quake and the Resurrection had already taken place earlier."


ONE FINAL PROOF


For the skeptic there is one more proof, straight from the Bible — a specific time stipulation determining the exact time of the crucifixion some 500 years in advance.


This time stipulation was given by the Prophet Daniel in a prophecy concerning the appearance and mission of the Messiah. This prophecy is recorded in the Book of Daniel, chap. 9:24-27. The reader is advised to study this portion carefully.


We read in verse 27, "And .He shall confirm the Covenant with many for one week; and in the midst of the week He shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease."


Here is a clear indication that by His Crucifixion He would make an end to the system of animal sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. He would be the TRUE Lamb and His life would be 'cut off in the 'middle' of the week — WEDNESDAY!


May this reading open your understanding to the Truth and may it expose the subtlety of the enemy of our One True Faith. The lie, as exposed by this study, has spread throughout Christianity. People have unconsciously accepted it without even questioning the matter. These are the last days of this dispensation and the true saints are seeing through the lie. Satan and his children will rage and fight to cover the lie, but this Message is sweeping the world. Tracts have gone throughout the world. The Oxford University Press has given a chart revealing this Truth in their "Companion Bible.


EFFECTS OF THIS GREAT MISCONCEPTION


The revelationary TRUTH as reviewed in this study also sheds much light on other popular misconceptions amongst most Christians

It proves the error in the popular 'Easter' festivities.

The greatest argument for the change of the Sabbath from Saturday to the first day of the week. utterly and completely collapses in the light of this Truth. It is claimed that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday because 'Messiah was resurrected on Sunday'—a fallacy which is disproved by the Bible.

The Truth in this matter brings much clarity and meaning to the Great Passover Festival and its relation to the 7-day Festival of Unleavened Bread. These Festivals form part of the SEVEN Great Festivals which have been completely lost by Christians. (Use the Google Search Engine Link on this Page, to search this Web Site for ‘Sacred Feasts’).

The deeper meaning of the Pesach Seder (‘The Lord's Supper’) which was instituted at this Passover, becomes apparent. This Supper is merely an extension of the Biblical Pesach Festival to be held at the exact time, once a year, and not daily, weekly, quarterly etc



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Betty said:

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There is no evidence to prove you are right Barry. Jesus died on Friday and rose again on Sunday morning.


i bombarded you with information to prove, Friday "good" was not the burial day..

Jonah in the belly of the great fish, 3 days, 3 nights...
thats HIS sign that He is who He said He was!

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He Is Risen
The Risen Christ
(Mark 16:1–8; Luke 24:1–12; John 20:1–10)
Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men.
5 But the angel answered and said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. 7 And go quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead, and indeed He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him. Behold, I have told you."
8 So they went out quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word.

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There is no evidence to prove you are right Barry. Jesus died on Friday and rose again on Sunday morning.

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Sister Carol States:

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The reason it is tradition is because it is true. There is a lot of evidence to support a Friday Crucifixion and Sunday Resurrection.
There is NO evidence to support such a "theory"

There is no 3 days and 3 nights from Fir to sunday Sister, dont let traditions of men blind your eyes.

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quote:
Originally posted by WildB:

Alternating current girl.

Alternating current(as mo shemp and currly slap each other)

YEA Alteraring curant. Neeeeeeeeee

Too much caffeine in your diet.
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quote:
Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
quote:
Originally posted by WildB:
quote:
Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
which 3?

love, faithfulness, self-control.
Since when?
Alternating current girl.

Alternating current(as mo shemp and currly slap each other)

YEA Alteraring curant. Neeeeeeeeee

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Yes, I DO BELIEVE HE DIED ON FRIDAY AND ROSE ON SUNDAY. And yes I do celebrate Good Friday, Easter and Christmas.
betty

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The reason it is tradition is because it is true. There is a lot of evidence to support a Friday Crucifixion and Sunday Resurrection.
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Betty said:

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Because you are trying to trash Good Friday and make it sound like it is wrong to worship on Sunday. Like WildB says you post spam every day. Every day the same thing trashing every body's beliefs that are different from ours. We NEVER said you can't worship on Saturday so leave our Churches ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Good friday, i mean as far as the death and burial of Yahushua is a LIE!
Point Blank!

Its not possible, if you base your beliefs on this tradition then Your "messiah" is not the right one!


Come on Betty, your inteligent, you cannot believe the LIE that Yahusha was crucified on Friday nite and by Sunday morn He rose...there is no THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS THERE AT ALL!!!


Its not possible......................

No amount of your trying to explain that along with wildbill and his greasy hands are going to make that right:

Give it up and using your eyes to see ...SEE!
and your ears to hear HEAR!

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Three days and nights does not mean 72 hours. If He was entombed BEFORE SUNDOWN, then 72 hours later He would have risen BEFORE SUNDOWN.

But the Greek term used in Mark 16:9 specifically states Jesus rose at dawn.

He was NOT entombed at dawn, so the 72 hour theory simply does not work.

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Because you are trying to trash Good Friday and make it sound like it is wrong to worship on Sunday. Like WildB says you post spam every day. Every day the same thing trashing every body's beliefs that are different from yours. We NEVER said you can't worship on Saturday so leave our Churches ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
betty

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Leaving the Sabbath to the side, and not thinking about that at the moment..

If Yahshua was not in the ground 3 full days and 3 full nights, he is not who he said he was;

As Jonah was in the belly of the great fish, 3 days and three nights//

folks why do you rebell against what IS!

Good Friday is a satans LIE... its not possible

im not Betty trying to make a Sabbath thing out of this:

Your predjudice against anything i type; no matter what it is you already are offended , without even reading what i post!

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quote:
Originally posted by WildB:
quote:
Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
which 3?

love, faithfulness, self-control.
Since when?
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quote:
Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
which 3?

love, faithfulness, self-control.

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which 3?
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quote:
Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
quote:
Originally posted by WildB:
quote:
Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
Betty,

Debates give us an opportunity to research and post information to support our beliefs. I welcome the opportunity.

Betty, dear sister, barry didn't "turn" this into anything. He started this topic.

thats right let the barry be.lol

his fruit is most delicious. i think i will have a bite.he he.

go ahead barry spam on.

(im useing 1 finger to type cause my hands are full of tractor grease due 2 bearing replacement)

country life u got a luv it.....

Galatians 5:22 - 23 (NLT)
22 But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control.

is 3 out of 9 ok? This tractor has exposed my fruitlessness.lol

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quote:
Originally posted by WildB:
quote:
Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
Betty,

Debates give us an opportunity to research and post information to support our beliefs. I welcome the opportunity.

Betty, dear sister, barry didn't "turn" this into anything. He started this topic.

thats right let the barry be.lol

his fruit is most delicious. i think i will have a bite.he he.

go ahead barry spam on.

(im useing 1 finger to type cause my hands are full of tractor grease due 2 bearing replacement)

country life u got a luv it.....

Galatians 5:22 - 23 (NLT)
22 But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control.

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quote:
Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
Betty,

Debates give us an opportunity to research and post information to support our beliefs. I welcome the opportunity.

Betty, dear sister, barry didn't "turn" this into anything. He started this topic.

thats right let the barry be.lol

his fruit is most delicious. i think i will have a bite.he he.

go ahead barry spam on.

(im useing 1 finger to type cause my hands are full of tractor grease due 2 bearing replacement)

country life u got a luv it.....

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I don't agree with most of what barry believes.

But, we can't ask him to post what he does NOT believe. And we can't ask him to agree with our beliefs for no reason. We need to offer enough information and proofs that he will become convinced that we are right.

Our beliefs are not just based on Churchianity. There are solid facts and proofs for what we believe, and these are what we need to share.

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okay. but I am still sick of the subject [Eek!]

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Betty,

Debates give us an opportunity to research and post information to support our beliefs. I welcome the opportunity.

Betty, dear sister, barry didn't "turn" this into anything. He started this topic.

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Carol,

Barry is going to push Saturday worship on every thread. He is going to do this until he is made to stop or we totally ignore him. He is like the Christian Jews of Paul's day. He will not be happy till he convinces us that we have to worship on Saturday. I find this ironic because he has admitted that he doesn't even attend Church. To me it is none of his business what day I worship on.
I don't care what day he worships, I just get TIRED of him turning every subject into Saturday worship.
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Those who teach a Wednesday or Thursday crucifixion and a Saturday afternoon/evening resurrection do so for two primary reasons:

First, they think they are correctly interpreting Jesus' statement in Matthew 12:40 that He would be in the grave a literal "three days and three nights." However, as we have demonstrated in Matthew 12:40 their theory flatly contradicts twenty-one other Bible texts. This is simply a case of standing the Bible on it's head.

Second, they hope to take the wind out of the sails of those who worship on Sunday by proving Jesus did not rise on Sunday. However, their assertion that Jesus rose on Saturday afternoon/evening flatly contradicts the grammar of the Greek language as well as the Bible's specific statement in Mark 16:9 that Jesus rose on Sunday morning.

Greek Grammar

The Greeks had four words to express "early morning," just as we have in English: “dawn,” “daybreak,” “sunrise,” and “morning.” When the Greek words are defined by the dictionary, and studied in their context, there is no doubt that they mean "in the morning as the sun is rising." Let's consider how these four Greek words are used and defined in each of the texts which record Christ's resurrection on Sunday morning and the subsequent visits by the women:

Matthew 28:1 - "epiphosko" (Strongs #G2020)

"After the Sabbath, at dawn ("epiphosko") on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb."

AT DAWN = The Greek "epiphosko" literally means "to dawn in the morning, to begin to be light." The root word is "phosko" meaning "to shine." We get our English word "phosphorescence" from "phosko." This word is used in Scripture twice: once in it's literal sense (Matthew 28:1) to mean "sunrise, dawn, as it begins to be light," and once in a metaphorical sense to mean "beginning of the day from a Jewish perspective, sunset" (Luke 23:54). This is the one text the "three days and three nights" advocates use to build their theory that Jesus rose at sunset on Friday. However, when taken in the context of the following texts, the grammar establishes beyond a doubt that the two Mary's came to the tomb at dawn on Sunday morning.

Mark 16:2 - "proi" (Strongs #G4404)

"Very early ("proi") on the first day of the week, just after sunrise ("anateilantos tou heliou"), they were on their way to the tomb"

VERY EARLY = The Greek "proi" means "early in the morning, the early morning watch which ushers in the dawn." This is the opposite of the Greek word "opse" which means "late in the day, evening." When Luke wrote Acts 28:23 informing us that Paul preached "from morning ("proi") until evening ("hespera") he used "proi" to indicate "morning/dawn/when the sun rises."

JUST AFTER SUNRISE = The Greek literally reads "anateilantos tou heliou" meaning "at the rising of the sun." Notice carefully that Mark clearly states when he uses the word "proi" he intends us to understand it the way the dictionary defines it: the time of day "just after sunrise." Thus, without question, when the two Mary's arrived "very early" ("proi"), they arrived at sunrise on the first day of the week (Sunday morning).

Mark 16:9 - "proi" (Strongs #G4404)

"When Jesus rose early ("proi") on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons."

JESUS ROSE EARLY = Here Mark once again uses the Greek word "proi." In verse 2 Mark already has defined what he means by "proi": "just after sunrise." Now Mark tells us Jesus rose "early in the morning, during the early morning watch which ushers in the dawn, at sunrise." Not only is this the dictionary definition of "proi," but it is precisely how Mark himself defined it in Mark 16:2. "Proi" is the opposite of the Greek word "opse" which means "late in the day, evening," thus "proi" cannot mean Jesus rose Saturday evening after sundown as darkness fell. When Luke wrote Acts 28:23 telling us that Paul preached "from morning ("proi") until evening ("hespera") he used this same word to indicate "morning/dawn/when the sun rises." There is simply no way to deny the grammar: Jesus rose at dawn as the sun was rising on Sunday morning, just a few moments before the women arrived at the tomb. To claim otherwise is simply to display an outright ignorance of Greek grammar, the Biblical context, and history.

Luke 24:1 - "orthros" (Strongs #G3722)

"On the first day of the week, very early in the morning ("orthros"), the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb."

VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING = The Greek "orthros" means "at daybreak, dawn, early morning." It is the opposite of the Greek words "hespera" meaning "evening;" "opse" meaning "evening, close of the day;" "nux" meaning "night;" "skotos" meaning "darkness." By using this third Greek word meaning "dawn, early morning," Luke affirms beyond question that the events of Christ's resurrection occurred on Sunday morning at sunrise.

Luke 24:22 - "orthrinos" (Strongs #G3721)

"In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning ("orthrinos")"

EARLY THIS MORNING = The actual date was Sunday, April 9, 30 AD. The Greek word "orthrinos" means "early in the morning." It is regularly used as a substitute for the word "morning." This word cannot be used in Jewish reckoning for the beginning of a day at sundown. It requires the light to be breaking (early morning), not the light to be waning (evening). Thus Luke has used two additional words, "orthros" and "orthrinos" to inform his readers the events of resurrection Sunday occurred very early in the daylight.

John 20:1 - "proi" (Strongs #G4404)

"Early ("proi") on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance."

EARLY = The Greek word "proi" means "early in the morning, the early morning watch which ushers in the dawn." As explained previously, "proi" cannot be used to refer to sunset, for it is the opposite of the Greek word "opse" which means "late in the day, evening." When Luke wrote Acts 28:23 telling us that Paul preached "from morning ("proi") until evening ("hespera") he used this same word ("proi") to indicate "morning/dawn/when the sun rises." This is the same word Mark used to state Jesus rose early on Sunday morning (Mark 16:9).

Summary

The Gospel writers are in full agreement that Jesus rose on Sunday morning at dawn. They went so far as to use every one of the four Greek words which mean "dawn, sunrise, daybreak": "epiphosko," "proi," "orthros," "orthrinos." One of them, Mark, even specified that he was speaking of that time of day which is "at the rising of the sun" (Mark 16:2). All of this was done so that modern readers would not have so much as a shadow of a doubt that Jesus' resurrection and the women's visit to the tomb occurred on Sunday at sunrise.

Conclusion

The "Three Days and Three Nights" proponents require exactly 72 hours to pass between the moment Christ died and the moment He was raised from the dead. This leaves them with only three options:

1. Advocate a Saturday evening resurrection. However, to teach Jesus rose Saturday evening after sundown contradicts Mark 16:9 which specifically states Jesus rose at dawn on Sunday morning. Furthermore, claiming Jesus rose after sunset on Saturday evening nullifies their argument that Jesus did not rise on Sunday, for (by Jewish time) Sunday had already arrived at sunset on Saturday.

2. Advocate a Saturday afternoon resurrection. To teach that Jesus lay in the grave 72-hours requires Jesus to rise on Saturday afternoon before sunset at the exact moment He was buried three days earlier. The Bible evidence is clear that Jesus was buried just before sunset. Thus proposing an afternoon resurrection, no matter what day, contradicts Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2; Mark 16:9; Luke 24:1; Luke 24:22; and John 20:1 which state Jesus rose Sunday at dawn.

3. Advocate that it is not necessary to require exactly 72-hours (a literal three days and three nights) to pass between the moment of Christ's death and the moment of His resurrection. This admission defeats the entire purpose of advocating "three days and three nights" and thus nullifies any Wednesday/Thursday crucifixion theory. If "three days and three nights" does not mean literally 72 hours, then there is no justification for proponents to object to the Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrection scenario.

From both context and grammar no legitimate case can be made for Jesus rising on Saturday afternoon or Saturday evening. The only possibility is that Jesus rose at dawn on Sunday, just as the Bible states. The Bible record is clear: Jesus was crucified at 3 PM on Friday afternoon (the "Preparation Day"). His burial was completed around 6 PM Friday afternoon before sunset. He rested in the grave through Saturday (the "Sabbath"), and He rose from the dead at dawn on Sunday morning ("the first day of the week"). By the time the women arrived a short time later at daybreak Jesus had already risen.

This is the Biblical, historic, and consistent position Christians have held for 2,000 years.

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 - G4404. πρωΐ prōi; adv. of time, from pro (G4253), before. Early in the morning.

(I) Particularly and in an absolute sense (Matt. 16:3; Mark 1:35; 11:20; 16:2, 9; John 20:1; Sept.: 1 Kings 3:21; Isa. 5:11). With the prep. hama prōi (hama (G260), with, together with), very early, at dawn (Matt. 20:1); apo prōi (apo (G575), from), from morning (Acts 28:23); epi to prōi (epi (G1909), upon), in the morning (Mark 15:1).

(II) Metonymically the morning watch which ushers in the dawn (Mark 13:35).

Deriv.: prōia (G4405), morning; prōimos (G4406), pertaining to the morning; prōinos (G4407), early, at early morning.

Ant.: opse (G3796), late in the day, evening.

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THE DAY OF THE RESURRECTION

Jesus arose from the grave on the day of the festival of First Fruits. This day would be the day after the weekly Sabbath during the week of Passover (Mark 16:1-6). In fact, Jesus is called the first fruits of those who rise from the dead.

-But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of
them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the
resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ
shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the
firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1 Corinthians 15:20-23

The Holy Days of Israel were prophecies, or foreshadows, of the Christ. He did not rise on the Sabbath, He rested in the tomb. He rose on the day of First Fruits.

He fulfilled all of the Spring Feasts perfectly. He will fulfill the Fall Feasts when He returns.

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Mar 16:1 ¶ And 2532 when 1230 0 the sabbath 4521 was past 1230 , Mary 3137 Magdalene 3094, and 2532 Mary 3137 the [mother] 3588 of James 2385, and 2532 Salome 4539, had bought 59 sweet spices 759, that 2443 they might come 2064 and anoint 218 him 846.


Mar 16:2 And 2532 very 3029 early in the morning 4404 the first 3391 [day] of the week 4521, they came 2064 unto 1909 the sepulchre 3419 at the rising 393 of the sun 2246.


Mar 16:3 And 2532 they said 3004 among 4314 themselves 1438, Who 5101 shall roll 617 0 us 2254 away 617 the stone 3037 from 1537 the door 2374 of the sepulchre 3419?


Mar 16:4 And 2532 when they looked 308 , they saw 2334 that 3754 the stone 3037 was rolled away 617 : for 1063 it was 2258 very 4970 great 3173.


Mar 16:5 And 2532 entering 1525 into 1519 the sepulchre 3419, they saw 1492 a young man 3495 sitting 2521 on 1722 the right side 1188, clothed 4016 in a long white 3022 garment 4749; and 2532 they were affrighted 1568 .


Mar 16:6 And 1161 he saith 3004 unto them 846, Be 1568 0 not 3361 affrighted 1568 : Ye seek 2212 Jesus 2424 of Nazareth 3479, which 3588 was crucified 4717 : he is risen 1453 ; he is 2076 not 3756 here 5602: behold 2396 the place 5117 where 3699 they laid 5087 him 846.


Mar 16:7 But 235 go your way 5217 , tell 2036 his 846 disciples 3101 and 2532 Peter 4074 that 3754 he goeth before 4254 you 5209 into 1519 Galilee 1056: there 1563 shall ye see 3700 him 846, as 2531 he said 2036 unto you 5213.


Mar 16:8 And 2532 they went out 1831 quickly 5035, and fled 5343 from 575 the sepulchre 3419; for 1161 they 846 trembled 2192 5156 and 2532 were amazed 1611: neither 2532 said they 2036 any thing 3762 to any 3762 [man]; for 1063 they were afraid 5399 .


Mar 16:9 ¶ Now 1161 when [Jesus] was risen 450 early 4404 the first 4413 [day] of the week 4521, he appeared 5316 first 4412 to Mary 3137 Magdalene 3094, out of 575 whom 3739 he had cast 1544 seven 2033 devils 1140.


Mark Vs 9 in light of vs 1-8 is simply stating:

The Sabbath was over, (weekly Sabbath), early that First Day of the week Morning (Sunday) they came to the tomb and He had risen. Then the Master Yahushua was risen, early the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene out of whom He had cast seven devils.

This in no way states Yahushua rose on Sunday Am..

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Your key to verse 9 in Mark Sister is vs 1.

the Sabbath had past [which would be late eve. on Sat), they went to the tomb early on that Sun am; Yahushua had already risen from the dead and appeared to them.

Remember fri at eve. to sat at eve, is the Sabbath, regular weekly Sabbath.

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New King James Version
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Mark 16
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CHAPTER 16
He Is Risen
The Risen and Ascended Christ
(Matt. 28:1–8; Luke 24:1–12; John 20:1–10)
Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. 2 Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. 3 And they said among themselves, "Who will roll away the stone from the door of the tomb for us?" 4 But when they looked up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away—for it was very large. 5 And entering the tomb, they saw a young man clothed in a long white robe sitting on the right side; and they were alarmed.
6 But he said to them, "Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He is risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid Him. 7 But go, tell His disciples—and Peter—that He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him, as He said to you."
8 So they went out quickly and fled from the tomb, for they trembled and were amazed. And they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.
Mary Magdalene Sees the Risen Lord
(Matt. 28:9, 10; John 20:11–18)
9 Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons. 10 She went and told those who had been with Him, as they mourned and wept. 11 And when they heard that He was alive and had been seen by her, they did not believe.

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Betty States:

quote:
Mary Magdalene Sees the Risen Lord
(Matt. 28:9, 10; John 20:11–18)
9 Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons. 10 She went and told those who had been with Him, as they mourned and wept. 11 And when they heard that He was alive and had been seen by her, they did not believe.

Matt: 28

Matthew 28
1In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

2And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

3His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:

4And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.

5And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

6He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

7And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.

8And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.

9And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.


10Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

Betty states:

quote:
He Is Risen
The Risen Christ
(Mark 16:1–8; Luke 24:1–12; John 20:1–10)
Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men.
5 But the angel answered and said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. 7 And go quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead, and indeed He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him. Behold, I have told you."
8 So they went out quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word.

John 20: 11-18

John 20
1The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

2Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the LORD out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

3Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.

4So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.

5And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.

6Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,

7And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

8Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.

9For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.

10Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.

11But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,

12And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

13And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my LORD, and I know not where they have laid him.

14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.

15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

18Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the LORD, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

19Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.


What translation of the bible are you using Betty?

It dont say what you state it says/


Mark 16
1And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

2And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

3And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?

4And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.

5And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

6And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

7But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.

8And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.

9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

10And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.

11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.

14Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.


Luke 24:


Luke 24
1Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

2And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.

3And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.

4And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:

5And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?

6He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,

7Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.

8And they remembered his words,

9And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.

10It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.

11And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.

12Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.


NEW Bible translations are twisting the scriptures to thier own destruction.

NO WHERE do these pasages state that Yahushua rose Sunday Morning, or Rose on the first day of the week. Listen to what you read not what youve been churched!


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quote:
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WildB, I thought this was something you agreed with.


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Jesus taught that what happened to Jonah happened.

Jonah.1

[17] Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.


Matt.12

[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

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yes i did but not in this way

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quote:
Originally posted by Betty Louise:
He Is Risen
The Risen Christ
(Mark 16:1–8; Luke 24:1–12; John 20:1–10)
Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men.
5 But the angel answered and said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. 7 And go quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead, and indeed He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him. Behold, I have told you."
8 So they went out quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word.


Mary Magdalene Sees the Risen Lord
(Matt. 28:9, 10; John 20:11–18)
9 Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons. 10 She went and told those who had been with Him, as they mourned and wept. 11 And when they heard that He was alive and had been seen by her, they did not believe.

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He Is Risen
The Risen Christ
(Mark 16:1–8; Luke 24:1–12; John 20:1–10)
Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men.
5 But the angel answered and said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. 7 And go quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead, and indeed He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him. Behold, I have told you."
8 So they went out quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word.


Mary Magdalene Sees the Risen Lord
(Matt. 28:9, 10; John 20:11–18)
9 Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons. 10 She went and told those who had been with Him, as they mourned and wept. 11 And when they heard that He was alive and had been seen by her, they did not believe.

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Just Barry pushing Saturday Worship again. He is like a record player with the needle stuck.
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quote:
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Jesus taught that what happened to Jonah happened.

Jonah.1

[17] Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.


Matt.12

[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

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Matt . 12 : 40. "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Aпу claim to True Messiahship stands or falls by the exact fulfilment of this very Sign.

But - - - stretch as you may - 3 DAYS AND 3 NIGHTS can never ever be found in man's most common teaching of a "Good Friday" Crucifixion and an "Easter Sunday" Resurrection - can you figure it



Read the astounding Scriptural account of the facts on which Messiah based His claims of being the TRUE Saviour ... for, UNLESS He failed the Test set by Himself ... then
- Messiah was NOT crucified on 'GOOD FRIDAY’
- Neither was He resurrected on 'EASTER SUNDAY’.



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It is commonly supposed that Messiah was crucified on "Good Friday" and that He was raised from the grave early on "Easter Sunday".



For centuries Christians have blindly followed this belief and attended ceremonies on these two very popular, and to them, significant "holy days" – ‘Good Friday’ and ‘Easter Sunday’. Very few indeed, thought of questioning these customs and traditions. The Bible, however, tells us to prove all things. With the great explosion of knowledge in the last century, and in fulfillment of the prophecies of Daniel given many centuries earlier, this has notably been the tendency and many 'vain traditions of man' have been exposed in the process by this in-depth search of the Scriptures. Through the prophet Daniel it was foretold that "....they that understand among the people, shall instruct many" - just prior to the final closing scenes of this era (Daniel 12:4; 11:33; Mark 7:7). The reader will be astounded by proof from the Bible as to what the real facts behind these traditional 'Easter' customs are.



WHAT DID MESSIAH SAY CONCERNING HIS BURIAL AND RESURRECTION?

The inquiring Pharisees were asking Him for a SIGN - they required evidence as proof that He was the promised Messiah. "But He answered and said unto them, 'an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and there shall NO sign be given to it, but the sign of the Prophet Jonas. for as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth", (i.e. grave) (Matt. 12:39).
Jonah 1:17, ".... and Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights".



YAHU’SHUAH offered this exclusive sign as evidence of His Messiah-ship. This evidence was not just the fact that He would be resurrected from the grave. No, His challenge claimed more; infinitely more .... a Resurrection claim was issued with a specific TIME STIPULATION!



If He could be proven wrong regarding this period of time that He had stipulated to be in the grave; if He did not fulfill the sign of the Prophet Jonah exactly as to the time factor required before He would be "spewn" out of the grave by the Resurrection (as Jonah after three days and three nights was spewn out of the belly of the fish to become the saviour of Nineveh); then the enemy would have had the full right to call Him a liar and an imposter. He would then have had no claim to being the Messiah, the Saviour. Then you would be worshipping Him in vain and you would be destined for eternal DEATH (hell) without a Saviour!



Consider please, the tremendous importance of this Sign. YAHU’SHUAH staked His claim to being your Saviour upon fulfilling this Sign by remaining exactly three days and three nights in the tomb.



Can one wonder why the enemy has done his utmost to deny that the Saviour had really fulfilled the type (Sign) of Jonah to the very letter? Can one wonder why the Christians who had come into the ranks of the early True Church at Corinth, tried to bring the whole of the Resurrection doctrine into dispute? (1 Cor. 15:12 - 20). This is probably the same reason why the Jews who opposed His Messiahship, paid the Roman soldiers who were at His Grave, to give a false account concerning the Resurrection? (Matt. 28:11 - 15). Can one wonder why modern Christian religious teachers today, are still eternalizing the same falsifications of the Resurrection Victory of the True Messiah, triumphantly overcoming Death “after three days and three nights in the Grave?”



By these false doctrines and traditions the silent insinuation is formatted that Messiah is an imposter - the very thing He intended to disprove by giving this Sign! In fact, Muslim teachers have used this inconsistency in the teachings of Christians, to ‘prove’ that He was not the True Messiah.



YAHU’SHUAH however, has put the seal of the lie where it belongs, in saying, John 8:44 "The devil is your father... He was a murderer from the start; he was never grounded in the Truth; there is NO truth in him at all........ because he is a liar and the father of lies.". Here He was correcting His accusers who denied Him as the True Messiah




HOW IS THIS SIGN OF MESSIAH

INTERPRETED AND FALSIFIED?



Traditional Christian interpretation holds, that Messiah was crucified on "Good Friday", buried just before sunset on the same day and that He arose at about sunrise on "Easter Sunday."



Let us now analyze the TIME PERIOD, according to this common teaching of man, that He was supposed to have been in the grave:



IN THE GRAVE

DAYS NIGHTS
FRIDAY

Buried just before sunset



SATURDAY

In the Grave



SUNDAY

Risen before sunrise
-
One Day

-
One Night
One Night

-

Total
One day Two nights





Because of the peculiar position that this theory places commentators in, they have come up with varying suggestions as to how this period should really be counted. They then make the following wild statements and adjustments to the above record of Time reckoning:





Add to above table
IN THE GRAVE
DAYS NIGHTS
FRIDAY

Count part day before sunset



SATURDAY

Already counted



SUNDAY

Risen before sunrise – yet

Count the FULL day

One Day

-



One Day
-

-



-

Cumulative Total
Three days Two nights





However, this unwarranted stretching of time does not clear their dilemma, because, stretch as you may. THREE NIGHTS can never ever be found in this interpretation of a Friday Crucifixion – Sunday Resurrection.



Some expositors go even further and claim that, "in the original Greek language, the term 'three days and three nights' means THREE PERIODS..." YAHU’SHUAH never said anything that may be construed as meaning three 'periods' only. He stated exactly what He meant, namely. that He would be in the grave for three days (of 12 hours each = 36 hours), and three equivalent nights (= 36 hours), making a total of 72 hours – or 3 x 24 hours.



These same critics admit that in the Hebrew language, in which the account of Jonah's experience had originally been recorded in the Tanach (‘Old’ Testament), the term "three days and three nights" means a period of 72 hours. YAHU’SHUAH referred to this exact incident of Jonah (which all agree here, means 72 hours) and stated, "AS Jonah was.... so shall the Son of Man be".



YAHU’SHUAH was well aware of this system of time reckoning and explicitly stated, "Are there not twelve hours in the day.... but if a man walks in the night, he stumbles". (John 11:9,10). He was not referring to Greek time nor any other heathen time calculation (like the Roman instituted reckoning of the 'day' from midnight to midnight instead of the Scriptural way of sunset to sunset). YAHU’SHUAH was a Jew by birth and the Jews, unto this day, reckon the day from sunset to sunset.



WHAT IS WRONG?



The Truth regarding this Time reckoning of the period that Messiah was in the Grave, will also reveal much about an entire section of Divine Institution which has gone lost for the Church. The fact that it involves the actual Reconciliatory Salvation brought about by YAHU’SHUA’s Death, should be sufficient reason for any serious follower of Messiah to take this matter serious. Even if it just brings the believer to the realization that there is an entire vitally important section of the True Faith that have been concealed by this misinterpretation and distortion of this vital Sign of “Three Days and Three Nights.”



YAHU'SHUAH warned against "making the Word of the Almighty of none effect through your traditions" (Mark 7:13). His true followers should be guided by the Bible and not by tradition. The Bible in its original transcript does not say that YAHU’SHUAH was crucified on Friday or that He rose on Sunday! Modern translators however, are fast changing this by planting the word ‘Friday’ in their new translation versions, when the original text refers to “the Preparation” day. In doing this, they actually prove, that translators are guided by, and impose their own understanding of the Faith on readers and students of the Bible. This is a very natural human tendency – and there would be nothing wrong in it, providing that the translator was founded on the Original One True Faith of the Creator God of Israel. In such a translation the reader may well assume that he has 'Bible' proof for the Friday-crucifixion theory! But, is this what the Scriptures really tell us? From this instance the reader should realize how important it is to use different Bible.



When we realize how the “Preparation Day” and the true Crucifixion Day fits into the actual Bible Calendar, we will discover an entire new Revelationary section of the One True Faith and its Divine Purpose. In this way, we will discover that the Bible, when studied in its true perspective, tells a completely different story to what modern man is generally teaching and believing about the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Messiah.




THE “SIGN” OF JONAH



Jonah was a "type" of the Saviour to come. After 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the fish, he became the 'saviour' of the gentile city, Nineveh.



Jonah’s experience must have been well known to the average Jew of Messiah’s time. After all, he was one of their countrymen – and who gets swallowed by a whale, to survive and be spewed out in another country after three days? If His opposers realized that YAHU’SHUAH was pointing out to them that Jonah was a ‘type’ of the Messiah Whom they were actually waiting for, they would have realized Who He was when this Sign was fulfilled by His Resurrection from the Grave 3 days later.. The Crucifixion week, which culminated in a huge earthquake in Jerusalem, and the day turning to night in broad daylight, surely did not go unnoticed. The religious leaders were also well aware that His Grave was empty on Sunday morning!



And if the modern day teachers would study the Bible more closely, then they too would not deny the fact that Messiah was in the grave for the full 72 hours that He stipulated. The Jews would not believe Him,. neither does main stream modern Christianity believe Him!



After YAHU’SHUAH had driven the money changers from the Temple in Jerusalem, "the Jews intervened and said. 'What sign can you show us to justify what you have done?' He answered, 'Destroy this sanctuary and in three days I will raise it up'. He was of course speaking of the Sanctuary that was His BODY" (John 2:18-21. See also Luke 9:22; 11:29-30, Mark 9:31, Matt. 17 verses 22,23).



At His trials, YAHU’SHUAH was thus also accused of "claiming to destroy the Temple of the Almighty and rebuilding it in three days". In this way He was made out to be a revolutionary!



It is true that YAHU’SHUAH claimed to *raise it up' Himself, although He was talking of His Body (which would of course be in the grave). This fact is overlooked by most students of the Bible, yet, an astounding Revelation is locked up in this statement of YAHU’SHUAH.



"In three days I ... (Who?) ... I (YAHU’SHUAH) will raise it up". This statement of .Messiah was taken seriously by the Jews. They consequently obtained permission from the authorities to seal the Sepulcher and place a Roman soldiers watch at the Grave (Matt. 27:64).



But.... had they known Who He really was, they would never have tried to hold Him to the grave with their frail human devices of chains and locks! Had they known Who YAHU’SHUAH truly was, they would have realized that no Power on earth or in Heaven would hold Him to the grave, because .... HE IS THE ETERNAL MOST HIGH HIMSELF!



Yes, YHVH Who is the Eternal Creator and King (John 1:1.3 and 10;
Rev. 17:14), was the One Who indwelt that ‘Human Temple’, (Col. 2:9).He (YAHU’SHUAH). would raise it up from the grave - The Eternal CANNOT die, but, His 'Humanity' could die - hence Messiah's Words,".... I will raise it up". John 2:19, 1 Tim./1:17.1 Tim. 3:16. (Write also for FREE copy of 'Who is the Eternal?')



And yet, after all hell broke loose on this earth as He blew out His last holy and innocent breath; while the earth was cast into three hours of darkness in the midst of day; as His Power once more rocked the earth to snap man's frustrated attempts to hold Him to the grave, and the seasoned guards at His Tomb fell like dead men to the ground - yet, Satan could give man the courage to invent a lie! For a large sum of money (Matt. 28:12), the soldiers were bribed into saying that the disciples had stolen His Body from the grave!



"The soldiers took the money and carried out their instructions, and to this day that is the story among the Jews". (Matt. 28:15).



Satan knew that he had lost and that the Resurrection had brought the final damnation upon himself and upon his 'children'. He knows too that his time is short, but he does not give up so easily, neither has his hatred for the True Messiah, YAHU’SHUAH, abated in any way! He planned very thoroughly and infiltrated the ranks of the Messianic followers in Corinth, starting a movement against the Resurrection Truth, as stated previously! (1 Cor. 15:12).



When blatant lies failed, the enemy brought in a more subtle argument against the Resurrection, to deceive those who would not deny that Messiah did arise from the Grave, They now claimed, "Yes, He did arise from the dead BUT NOT AS HE SAID He would. “He was not in the grave for three days and three nights at all, you see. He was only there part of the time!" How subtle! Without saying anything further, the impression has been founded that YAHU’SHUAH is a Liar and, after all, “only a fallible human being!”




WHEN DID THE CRUCIFIXION TAKE PLACE?



On which day was Messiah Crucified?



We read in Mark 15:42-47 about the events on that afternoon of the Crucifixion. "And now when the even was come. because it was THE PREPARATION, that is, the day before the Sabbath ... and he (Joseph) bought fine line, and took Him down. and wrapped Him in the linen and laid Him in a sepulcher, which was hewn out of a rock".



Does that not confirm the common belief that He was crucified on FRIDAY, seeing that Friday is the day ‘before’ the weekly Sabbath? We know that it states that His Body was lain in the grave ‘just before the Sabbath broke’, which is roughly at between 5 p.m. to 6 p.m. according to Bible time reckoning.



If the burial was on Friday, between 5 to 6 p.m., then 72 hours forward would bring us to between 5 to 6 p.m. on Monday afternoon for the Resurrection. By counting forward 3 nights, we also come to Monday for. This we cannot accept, as we read in John 20:1. "It was very early on the first day of the week (Sunday) and still dark. when Mary (Hebrew Name: Miriam) of Magdala came to the Tomb. She saw that the stone had been moved away from the Tomb". YAHU’SHUAH had already risen earlier! (Also Luke 24:1; Mark 16:2).



On the other hand again: if He was risen on Sunday, as is commonly taught, then it leaves us with one hour maximum for Friday (in the grave), plus 24 hours for Saturday, plus a maximum of 12 hours for Sunday (reckoning from sunset to sunset). Which ever way we count, it leaves us with a maximum total of 37 hours, or ONE day and TWO nights in the Grave - as previously explained in this study.



Shall we now stop right there and find fault with the time reckoning of YAHU'SHUAH, or shall we search through the scriptures for the answer? Something is wrong somewhere and that is obvious, isn't it? - but what and where?



THE LIE EXPOSED



Let us then start from the earliest time that we know (according to the Bible), that He was already risen from the Grave. From here we will work BACK in time, to find a rough starting point for the time of the Crucifixion. Let us presume, therefore, that He rose at roughly 5 a.m. on Sunday morning. According to John 20:1 and Mark 16:2, it was still dark, just as the sun was rising, when the women visited the Grave and,.... found it empty! He had already risen earlier.... it may have been much earlier! Counting BACK 72 hours from here, would bring us to roughly 5 a.m. on Thursday morning. Well this also cannot be, for we know that He was buried just before SUNSET, which is between 5 and 6 p.m. We must therefore set the time back even further, seeing that we have scriptural proof that YAHSHUAH definitely did not arise later than sunrise on Sunday. He could therefore have risen much earlier than sunrise.



This brings us to WEDNESDAY at 5 to 6p.m. (See chart).



Could this have been the time that YAHU’SHUAH was crucified? Could it possibly have been on a Wednesday just before sunset?



But, you will say, remember that the next day was the Sabbath and Thursday most certainly is not the Sabbath. Well, this is the very fact that has confused people – a fact which will reveal an entire section of the One True Biblical Faith of YHVH. A fact that has completely been overlooked, because Christians have lost sight of the meaning of the SACRED BIBLICAL FEAST DAYS and what these really typify.



This Thursday was not the Sabbath that was Instituted at Creation, the weekly Sabbath, but it was a Sabbath that was instituted at the first Passover in Egypt (Exodus 12:14 – but read in context from verse 1). This Feast Day Sabbath would become one of a series of SEVEN of these ANNUAL SABBATH FEASTS (Hebrew: Chagim or Mo’adim). which would be revealed to Moses at Sinai as part of the entire Religious and Law System of YHVH (Leviticus 23:15. 24.32.31 & 39).



These annual Feasts were Sacred Sabbaths, called HIGH days. (John 19:31) which could occur on any day of the week. They were to be kept for ever! It is to these Sabbaths that the enemy has blinded people.



This Sabbath holds the key to the whole mystery! It had nothing to do with the creation Sabbath which is a weekly Sabbath. This Sabbath of the 15th of Aviv, is to be kept ONCE A YEAR only. This Sabbath is the Sabbath that was the day after the Passover Sacrifice. (Lev. 23: Ex.12).



This Sabbath was and is to this day, part of the Jewish festive period of Pesach (Passover). In Christianity this period has become known as ‘Easter’ and retains, at best, some vague similarities to Pesach, the Biblically ordained Feast.
This Pesach institution, required that a Pesach lamb had to be slaughtered on the 14th day of the Jewish month of Aviv (which later became known as Nisan). According to the revelation of God’s religious System, given at Sinai 50 days after the Exodus from Egypt (which was preceded by the Pesach Lamb Sacrifice), this Pesach Sacrifice was to be followed by the 7-day Festival of Unleavened Bread. The first of these 7 days (15th Aviv) was to be a Feast Sabbath and the last (21 Aviv).



This entire 8-day Festival became known as ‘Pesach’ (Passover) when the Death Angel of YHVH ‘passed over’ (skipped) the homes of those Israelites in Egypt which displayed the blood of the Sacrificial Lamb on their door posts. .
All churches accept that the Passover lamb slaughtered yearly by the Israelites, typified the True Lamb that had to come. John the Baptist pointed to YAHU’SHUAH and said, "Behold The Lamb of the Most High". (John 1:29). All churches also believe that Messiah was crucified at Pesach Time. John confirms this at the Crucifixion, in John 19:14.".... it was the PREPARATION of the Passover (14th Abib) and about the 6th hour (noon, and he said unto the Jews. 'Behold your King'".



The Feast of Unleavened Bread required that all leaven had to be cast out of Israelite homes by the14th (the Passover) - hence this day (14th Aviv) became traditionally known as the PREPARATION DAY. To this day, the weeks preceding Pesach is a very busy time for the lady of a Jewish home – the entire house (with emphasis on the kitchen) is cleaned out and cooking utensils are changed for the Festive period. (It may not be co-incidental that ‘spring clean’ of the home became a common term for Westerners – as Aviv in Hebrew means ‘Spring’ season). The father of the household inspects the home on this day in a special family ritual and the mother prepares food and special symbolic emblems for the evening’s Pesach Seder (supper). It is this Supper (Pesach Seder) that YAHU’SHUAH and His disciples prepared for – the ‘Last Supper’, before His Ordeal the next morning.



The month of Aviv was calculated from the appearing of the New Moon and irrespective of which day of the week this occurred, the Jews would count 14 days when the Pesach (Passover) commemoration would then start. The Pesach Sabbath is determined by the monthly phases of the moon, and not by the weekly cycle



In the year of the Crucifixion, the 14th of Aviv fell on a WEDNESDAY and the Thursday was the ANNUAL Sabbath Feast Day, a HIGH day. (study chart).


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Further confirmation of these facts are also found in John 19:30, 31, which describes the events that took place immediately after the Crucifixion:


"It was Preparation Day and to prevent the bodies remaining on the cross during the Sabbath - since that Sabbath was a day of special solemnity (High Day) .... " (John 19:30-31; Ex. 12:16; Lev. 23:6). Sabbath means 'Rest -and that Thursday was a SABBATH-a solemn Festive Day - a day in commemoration of Israel's deliverance from bondage in Egypt –YAHU’SHUAH now having become our Deliverer from our exile and bondage.



WONDERFUL BIBLE PROOF



When these annual Feast Sabbaths were celebrated, it could well happen that there would be TWO Sabbaths in that certain week - the annual Sabbath. which could fall on any day of the week, and the weekly Sabbath -These, two Sabbaths, in certain years of course, could coincide - but otherwise, the weekly Sabbath (Saturday), was never called a ‘High Day’.- neither was it called a ‘Feast Day’, unless it coincided with the annual Chag or Feast Day.



The fact that there were two Sabbaths in the Crucifixion week is wonderfully proven by two apparently contradictory verses in the Bible.



The 1st of these is found in Mark 16:1 :



"When the Sabbath was OVER, Mary (and others) .... bought spices with which to go and anoint Him".



The 2nd is found in Luke 23:56:



After His body had been laid to the tomb. "....they returned and prepared spices and ointments, and rested the Sabbath day according to the Commandment".



We shall firstly apply these statements to the commonly accepted theory of Friday Crucifixion and Sunday-Resurrection, to see if it fits the picture. If Messiah was crucified on Friday, then according to the first verse, the women should have bought the spices on Saturday evening (i.e. 'after the Sabbath'). This would enable them to prepare it and go to the grave before sunrise on Sunday morning. But... read the 2nd verse! This states that, after they had prepared the spices, they rested on the Sabbath according to the Law! This would mean that the following day (Sunday) was also a Sabbath, so that they could not have gone to the grave until after Sunday. But Luke 24:1 explicitly states that the women went to the grave 'on the first day of the week' (Sunday), before dawn! So this theory does NOT fit.



HEAVEN WAS TO BE THE JUDGE -

HEAVEN WOULD DECLARE THE OUTCOME



"The Angel spoke and he said to the women. There is no need for you to be afraid. I know you are looking for YAHU’SHUAH, Who was crucified. He is not here. for He has risen, 'AS HE SAID He would.' " ( Matt. 28:5.6).



"AS HE SAID", dear reader. May these words be repeated a thousand times before proceeding! His time reckoning was not faulty. *AS HE SAID', means that He had kept His Word. If He.had not kept His word. then how could we trust Him to keep all the wonderful Promises He made to His followers for the future? By having fulfilled this Sign He gave those who doubted Him, we may be sure that every Promise of His will come true. The Eternal cannot lie, and YAHU’SHUAH IS THE ETERNAL - manifest in flesh! (1 Tim. 3:16; Titus 2:13; Rev. 1:8). Refer our Library of studies on the Oneness and the Deity of Messiah – http://www.revelations.org.za/MenuOneness.htm



"AS HE SAID"



The fact that Messiah was in the Grave the full length of time. as He said, is confirmed by

1 Cor. 15:3-4 : ".... I taught you what I had been taught myself, namely that Messiah died for our sins, in accordance with the Scriptures". ‘ (Whenever the New Testament refers to ‘the Scriptures’, it is referring to the Tanach – ‘Old Testament’, where the Sign of Jonah is recorded, to which Messiah referred as a type of His Messianic Reconciliation)

Refer http://www.revelations.org.za/Gospel.htm



According to which Scriptures? What was the Apostle Paul referring to? Remember that these words were written by Paul long before the New Testament even existed in consolidated format.. YAHU’SHUAH often used to refer to the 'Scriptures' also. These were the ‘Scriptures’, which they (of that time) had access to – i.e. the OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES. And only one verse in the Old Testament refers to this stipulated 3-day time factor. This was the verse that YAHU’SHUAH referred to in the book of Jonah. Chap. 1. verse 17, "And Jonah was in the belly of the fish THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS", after which he was spewed out near the city of Nineveh, because God wanted him to go and preach to the citizens of that evil city.. What is the deeper significance in this Sign? That, by rising from the Grave as ‘a New Man’, YAHU’SHUAH could now ‘remarry’ His divorced Bride, Israel, from which He was prevented by His Own Law after having given her a ‘Bill of Divorce’ Jeremiah 3:8 "I had repudiated disloyal Israel for all her adulteries and given her divorce papers.”



Yes. His Death and Resurrection was in accordance with the Scriptures - not contrary to it!



For centuries people have blindly followed the lie, in believing that Messiah arose on Sunday. There is absolutely NO Scriptural foundation for this belief.



WHEN DID THE RESURRECTION THEN TAKE PLACE?



Seeing that He was buried at roughly 5p.m. on Wednesday, then 72 hours hence will bring us to roughly 5p.m. on the weekly Sabbath. (Saturday) afternoon, as you will clearly see from the chart.



It was therefore a Sabbath Resurrection and not as is commonly believed and taught by Christians, a Sunday Resurrection!




RESULTANT CONTROVERSIES AND PROBLEMS



This teaching of ‘Three Days and Three Nights’ has been one of many Restorative Truths proclaimed by the Hebraic Roots Restoration Movement which arose over the last few decades. This Restoration Movement is simply a miraculous fulfillment of ancient Bible Prophecies which projected a Return to the One True Faith of YHVH, God of Israel, in the End Times.



As stated above, this Truth opens a whole section of neglected Bible Truths – neglected and unproclaimed by Christianity, that is. Our topic, in this case, reveals the Eternal Salvation and Redemption Plan as depicted by these Sacred Festive Seasons and Days. Once the Bible student becomes aware of this Cycle, the Revelationary Truth of how Messiah fulfilled these Feasts Days so spiritually meaningful and inspiringly becomes clearly evident. His Words and actions also then take deeper meaning.



However, the new restorative Truths also bring with it new controversies and problems. Far from rejecting progressive Truth because of these discrepancies, the honest seeker after Truth should realize that ultimate Truth will remain illusive, until Messiah returns to fully restore the One True Faith. Neither should the believer and true follower of YAHU’SHUAH take the defeatist attitude that, because we do not have the ultimate Truth, “it is not really incumbent on us to observe these Sacred Feasts.” Scripture is clear that we will be judged by the amount of Truth that we have received.



One such controversy which has given rise to great confusion and division amongst restorative believers, is the seeming discrepancy regarding the Pesach Seder which Messiah partook of one evening before the Jewish nation of His time, i.e. at the start of 14 Aviv while the Jews partook of it on the night (start) of 15 Aviv. Resultantly this raises questions about the Annual Feast Sabbath of 15 Aviv and the 14th

How could YAHU’SHUAH have fulfilled the designation of the ‘Pesach Sacrificial Lamb’ by partaking of the Pesach Seder one night before the Jews?

If Exodus 12 determines that the Pesach Lamb should be slaughtered at the start of the 14th Aviv, why was Messiah crucified only in the end of the 15th day, some 18 hours later?

Does this mean that the Rabbis have tampered with the Sacred Calendar and that we should therefore not follow the Jewish Calendar?

On which night should Messianic Hebraic Restorers partake of the Pesach Seder Supper, the 14th or the 15th?

These are all sincere questions and problems. The publisher of BIBLE REVELATIONS can at best, offer an opinion on these probably unsolvable issues.



It is my understanding that, because of these discrepancies, YHVH appointed an authoritative Voice on the issue by giving the Tribe of Judah (the Jews) the mandate to be the guardians and ‘managers’ of His System (Genesis 49:10; Psalms 60:7; Romans 3:2; Matthew 23:2) “until Shiloh comes to Rule”.



We should therefore in the interim, and for the sake of unity amongst His people, subject ourselves to this authoritative rule of the Rabbis of Judah. The lack of this leadership amongst the multitude of ‘Messianic Israel’ groups has caused a Babylonish confusion amongst these groups and a wild dash for leadership voicing. Unity is the furthest from their many spiritual achievements.
The chart is designed on basis of the Jewish Calendar, which after all, is the basic foundation of it all. The discrepancies regarding the 15th Aviv Sabbath versus the 14th, has been highlighted by an arrow on the chart. It seems, that YHVH has allowed Rabbinical tradition to move forward the Pesach Seder to coincide with the evening of the 15th Aviv Annual Sabbath – the 1st Day of Unleavened Bread, in order to make it physically possible for the Messiah to observe the Pesach Seder (“Last Supper”) on the proper Biblical date, the 14th of Aviv – i.e.. one night before the Jews in Jerusalem.



Without this, there would have been several impossible fulfillments for YAHU’SHUAH:



- He could impossibly have fulfilled the Sacrificial slaughter of the Pesach Lamb (by His Death) and yet partake of the Pesach Seder Himself. If the 14th indeed was the Day for the Pesach Seder, then the lamb should have been slaughtered at the end of the 13th day of Aviv, in the Crucifixion week, Tuesday afternoon before sunset. Certainly, that is when YAHU’SHUAH and His disciples slaughtered their Pesach Lamb – while he Himself, fulfilled it only 24 hours later in His own Death on the Stake. Thus, while the Jews were slaughtering their Pesach Lamb, He was dying on the Stake! Do we need more perfect fulfillment? But, it required a controversy regarding the Date. As regards the 14th being a Sabbath or not, is not very clear. Exodus 12::14 declares it a ‘Feast for YHVH’ and a Festival for ever’ – presumably a Sabbath, thus. The 15th, in Leviticus 23 is clearly declared a Feast Sabbath, being the 1st Day of Unleavened Bread, and separate from the 14th. Today, and even in Messiah’s time 2000 years ago, the 15th was celebrated for the Pesach Seder.- the 14th (Crucifixion Day) being the Day of Preparation.



On which night should modern Messianic Hebraic Roots Restorers observe the Seder Meal (‘the Lord’s Supper”)? If the current Restoration process entails a Return in unity to the One True Faith, then, like Jews, while there are certain discrepancies and uncertainties, it should wisely be best to follow YAHU’SHUAH’s clear instructions and follow the leadership of the Rabbis (Matthew 23:2). This, of course, is not a very popular suggestion amongst awakening Returnees to the One True Faith – and there should not be any doubts as to why this route has been so discredited by the Accusers of God’s elect!



One fact is for sure, in the Kingdom they will ALL sit on at the same table and at the same time. We may as well start practicing this attitude here – the lack of which may well disqualify us for entry into His Kingdom of Peace – not disunity.



A dreadful consideration is, that if the 14th is to be a Sabbath, then YAHU’SHUAH, the God of the Sabbath and the Festivals, was slaughtered on His own Sabbath! – just one more mockery added to the long list!



OTHER SINCERE OBJECTIONS

A. Mark 16:9. "Now when YAHU’SHUAH was risen early the first day of the week. He appeared first to Mary Magdalene". (King James version, Sacred Name restored).

This could very well seem to mean that He was resurrected on Sunday Morning. It could however, also mean, "when YAHSHUAH was (already) risen early the first day ... He appeared to Mary ..." Indeed, when He appeared to Mary. He WAS RISEN already! In fact, He was risen, late on Saturday afternoon, 'As He said', and as confirmed by the Angel at the empty Tomb in the dawning hours of Sunday.

B. Matt. 28:1. "In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn towards the first day of the week," the women came to the grave. "And behold there WAS a great earthquake." (King James).

This seems as if the Resurrection took place at the very time of their arrival. However, as confirmed in the margin of the reference edition, the more correct translation should read, "And behold, there HAD BEEN a great earthquake ..." (earlier thus — it does not say when exactly). By reading the Bible chapter in context we note that just a few verses later, in verse 6, the Angel confirms. "He is not here .. ."The quake and the Resurrection had already taken place earlier."



ONE FINAL PROOF



For the skeptic there is one more proof, straight from the Bible — a specific time stipulation determining the exact time of the crucifixion some 500 years in advance.



This time stipulation was given by the Prophet Daniel in a prophecy concerning the appearance and mission of the Messiah. This prophecy is recorded in the Book of Daniel, chap. 9:24-27. The reader is advised to study this portion carefully.



We read in verse 27, "And .He shall confirm the Covenant with many for one week; and in the midst of the week He shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease."



Here is a clear indication that by His Crucifixion He would make an end to the system of animal sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. He would be the TRUE Lamb and His life would be 'cut off in the 'middle' of the week — WEDNESDAY!



May this reading open your understanding to the Truth and may it expose the subtlety of the enemy of our One True Faith. The lie, as exposed by this study, has spread throughout Christianity. People have unconsciously accepted it without even questioning the matter. These are the last days of this dispensation and the true saints are seeing through the lie. Satan and his children will rage and fight to cover the lie, but this Message is sweeping the world. Tracts have gone throughout the world. The Oxford University Press has given a chart revealing this Truth in their "Companion Bible.




EFFECTS OF THIS GREAT MISCONCEPTION



The revelationary TRUTH as reviewed in this study also sheds much light on other popular misconceptions amongst most Christians

It proves the error in the popular 'Easter' festivities.

The greatest argument for the change of the Sabbath from Saturday to the first day of the week. utterly and completely collapses in the light of this Truth. It is claimed that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday because 'Messiah was resurrected on Sunday'—a fallacy which is disproved by the Bible.

The Truth in this matter brings much clarity and meaning to the Great Passover Festival and its relation to the 7-day Festival of Unleavened Bread. These Festivals form part of the SEVEN Great Festivals which have been completely lost by Christians. (Use the Google Search Engine Link on this Page, to search this Web Site for ‘Sacred Feasts’).

The deeper meaning of the Pesach Seder (‘The Lord's Supper’) which was instituted at this Passover, becomes apparent. This Supper is merely an extension of the Biblical Pesach Festival to be held at the exact time, once a year, and not daily, weekly, quarterly etc


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The HEART of the issue is truly the issue of the HEART!
John 3:3;Mark 8:34-38;James 1:27

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The resurection of Yahushua the Messiah
Yahushua HaMashiach:

Good Friday is not right; it is not what the Messiah said:

Matt: 12

38Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

39But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.


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The HEART of the issue is truly the issue of the HEART!
John 3:3;Mark 8:34-38;James 1:27

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