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Originally posted by Betty Louise:
I prefer the King James Version especially in Church. I study other versions but my main one is the KJV. I doubt the Pastor reading the KJV is going to keep anyone from getting saved. Americans don't get saved because they don't understand the Bible but because they are too prideful to seek God and His forgiveness.
betty

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Those Thee's And Thou's

"And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do." (Exodus 4:15)

These words of God, spoken to Moses concerning the mission he and his brother Aaron were to undertake at Pharaoh's palace are one of numerous examples in Scripture where the King James translation uses several different forms of the second-person pronoun. In this one verse, we see the words "thou," "thy," "you," and "ye," all fulfilling this function. Most modern translations would translate this sentence: "You shall speak to him ...and I will be with your mouth,... and will teach you what you shall do." Why would the King James translators use four different forms of the pronoun when only "you" and "your" are used in modem versions?

The fact is that the Elizabethan-age English was able to make much finer distinctions than modem English. That is, "thou," "thee," "thy," and "thine," were used for the second person singular, whereas "ye," "you," "your," and "yours" were the corresponding words for the plural. Different words also were used for subject, object, and possessive modifier, as is still true for first and third-person pronouns.

In our text, God was telling Moses that he (Moses) was to speak to Aaron, and that He (God) would then teach both of them, not just Moses, what they were to do. This distinction is clear in the King James English, but not in modern English. This is one of numerous examples where such fine points in the King James language are lost in modern translations.

In the Lord's Prayer, for example, "Yours is the kingdom" could suggest that many will possess the kingdom, where "thine is the kingdom" clearly recognizes one God alone. Clear words are important for clear meanings, and Jesus said, "My words shall not pass away" (Matthew 24:35). HMM

--From Days of Praise, Henry M. Morris. Editor

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Originally posted by Eden:
I don't cringe about a lot of stuff in life, but one thing that does make me cringe is when supposedly educated preachers, teachers, pastors, and evangelists repeat the King James Tudor English just as it is, without updating the English to the way we speak in the 21st century.

What is an unbeliever to think when "we can't even speak proper English"? Won't they say, What on earth does "thee", "thy" and "thou" mean? Those stupid Christians can't even speak proper English!!!

And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing.

And how easy it would be for preachers, teachers, pastors and evangelists to just "update the English" of the verses as they read and teach the verses, it's so easy to do!!!'

Genesis 12:2
And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you, and make your name great; and you shall be a blessing.


And what REALLY galls me is that some Christians and also nonChristians0 think that "thee, thou, and thy" is SOMEHOW MORE HOLY THAN "you and your".

And in the meantime souls are being lost ... ouch!

love, Eden

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Funny that you posted about this, my father-in-law prays in Tudor English! My husband never truly noticed it until recent years...he gets a chuckle about it.
He said, why does he do that I wonder? I said I don't know, but don't dare ask him.

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