Christian Chat Network

This version of the message boards has closed.
Please click below to go to the new Christian BBS website.

New Message Boards - Click Here

You can still search for the old message here.

Christian Message Boards


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
| | search | faq | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Christian Message Boards   » Bible Studies   » Bible Topics & Study   » THE SIGNS OF THE END OF TIME

   
Author Topic: THE SIGNS OF THE END OF TIME
becauseHElives
Advanced Member
Member # 87

Icon 1 posted      Profile for becauseHElives   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Eden
quote:
Matthew 25:13
Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man comes.

this refers to the Feast of Trumpets....

I believe Yahshua will return on a Feast of trumpets for His Bride.

quote:
So at the Feast of Trumpets would be more likely. So does that mean to you that if the Feast of Trumpets has PASSED in any given year, as it already HAS PASSED this year, that Jesus will NOT come potentially until the NEXT Feast of Trumpets, and that we just don't know WHICH Feast of Trumpets He will come, but that He MUST come on the Feast of Trumpets?

I believe that answer would be true....because Yahshua will return to complete the Lord's Feast...

He completed 4 Feast with His first coming exactly....Yahweh is a God of complete order, He does not change....

I also believe it will be on a Jubilee Year of the Jews.....

and remember the generation that saw Israel become a Nation in a day will see the return of Messiah....

--------------------
Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )

Posts: 4578 | From: Southeast Texas | Registered: Jun 2002  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Eden
unregistered


Icon 5 posted            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Carol Swenson, you are probably right that Jesus would come on the Feast of Trumpets, which is part of that September festival, instead of on the Day of Atonement since the Bible says that God comes when the last trumpet is blown:

1 Corinthians 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So at the Feast of Trumpets would be more likely. So does that mean to you that if the Feast of Trumpets has PASSED in any given year, as it already HAS PASSED this year, that Jesus will NOT come potentially until the NEXT Feast of Trumpets, and that we just don't know WHICH Feast of Trumpets He will come, but that He MUST come on the Feast of Trumpets?

love, Eden

IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Carol Swenson
Admin
Member # 6929

Icon 16 posted      Profile for Carol Swenson     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I think that those of us who believe in a pre-trib rapture expect it on the Feast of Trumpets, while those who believe in a post-trib rapture look to the Day of Atonement.

 -


Summary of reasons why Christians expect to see the rapture happen on the Feast of Trumpets / Rosh Hashanna

1. All the Spring Feasts were fulfilled at Christ's first coming, and on the exact day of the feast. All the Fall Feasts picture the second advent, and the Feast of Trumpets is the first of the fall feasts, picturing the rapture.

2. The Feast of Trumpets is when the "last trump" of the rapture of 1 Cor 15 is blown.

3. The Feast of Trumpets is known as the Wedding of the Messiah, and the Church is the Bride of Christ, and the rapture is when the Church is caught up to heaven to be wed with Christ.

4. The Feast of Trumpets happens on the "new moon", which is 29.5 days after the last one, meaning it might occur on the 29th or 30th day, nobody knows for sure. "Of that day or hour no man knows" is an expression referring to this feast, and thus, the rapture.

5. "Of that day or hour no man knows, but my Father only" is an expression used by a groom when asked when his wedding will be. He says this because it is his Father that will tell him when his preparations on the bridal chamber are completed and it is time. Again, the wedding pictures the rapture.

6. The "Open Door" of the rapture in Matt 25, and Rev 3, & Rev 4:1 is a symbol of the Feast of Trumpets. [Ezek 46:1] "Thus says the Lord GOD: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days; but on the sabbath day it shall be opened and on the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

7. We are told that the new moon and the Feasts of the Lord are a shadow of things to come in Col 2:16,17. Since the Feast of Trumpets is the only Feast of the Lord that falls on a new moon, we should take particular note.

8. There are seven days of awe in between the Feast of Trumpets and the Day of Atonement. These picture the seven years of tribulation. Atonement pictures Satan being defeated and cast away at the end of tribulaion. If you add the two day Trumpets feast, and the day of atonement, the 7 days of awe are "ten days of tribulation" which might be referred to in Rev. 2:10.

9. In the Jewish Wedding, a marriage takes place over a period of time known as the "bridal week". At the end of the week, there is a marriage supper. Compare Judges 14, Rev. 19, and Gen. Genesis 29:22-28 This bridal week will be the tribulation week on earth, while the bride of Christ is in heaven.

10. In the Jewish Wedding, the groom comes for his bride "like a thief in the night" to take (seize / rapture) her away and into the bridal chamber for the bridal week at his father's house.

11. The Feast of Trumpets is also known as the coronation of the Messiah, when he will start reigning as king, thus the beginning of the "Day of the Lord", which includes the tribulation.

12. It is also time for the bema judgment, or the judgement of the works of the righteous, and judgement must begin at the house of the Lord.

http://www.linkjesus.com/introtrumpets.htm

Posts: 6787 | From: Colorado | Registered: Dec 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Eden
unregistered


Icon 5 posted            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
How do you feel about the idea that Jesus must come back ON the Day of Atonement. If I'm not mistaken, I think there were 3 festival days that the Israelites had to appear before God:

Passover
Pentecost
Day of Atonement

Jesus of course died on Passover, and on Pentecost the church began.

So presumably Jesus will return on the Day of Atonement. Now, the Bible says, "no man knows the day nor the hour":

Matthew 25:13
Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man comes.

A preacher on TV was saying that EVERY YEAR Satan gets more and more paranoid as it gets closer to the Day of Atonement, wondering if THIS Day of Atonement WILL BE THE ONE.

So I wanted to ask, could Matt.25:13 above mean that "no man knows WHICH Day of Atonement" Jesus will come, but that Jesus MUST come on A Day of Atonement?

Thanks, Eden

IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
jean123
Advanced Member
Member # 7855

Icon 1 posted      Profile for jean123     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I BELIEVE JESUS IS COMING SOON! WE DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHEN BUT WE NEED TO BE READY! LISTEN FOR THE TRUMPIT AND WATCH THE SKY! JESUS IS MY ALL IN ALL! THANK YOU LORD FOR EVERYTHING ( THE GOOD AND THE BAD )!!!!!!!!!!!
Posts: 38 | Registered: Sep 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
becauseHElives
Advanced Member
Member # 87

Icon 15 posted      Profile for becauseHElives   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Found in Him that is a very good article... [thumbsup2] [rapture]

--------------------
Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )

Posts: 4578 | From: Southeast Texas | Registered: Jun 2002  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Found in Him
Advanced Member
Member # 7596

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Found in Him   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
and we must remember Christ's words about The fig Tree generation... Israel became a nation again in 1948
28“Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 29Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. 30I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

The Fig Tree Generation

By Jack Kinsella

The restoration of the Jews to the Promised Land is one of the most staggeringly overt fulfillments of Bible prophecy to occur in the last 2,000 years.
The Hebrew prophets all foretold an eventual restoration of Israel, even addressing the future state by name, in some cases centuries after Israel had ceased to exist.

Jesus said, “Learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh; So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till ALL these things be fulfilled.” (Matthew 24:32-34)

In his book, Personal Witness, Ambassador Abba Eban, one of Israel’s Founding Fathers and Israel’s first Foreign Minister wrote: “In accordance with our plan, a letter from [Chaim] Weizmann to [President] Truman had been sent on May 13 asking him to recognize our new state. The expected infant state was still nameless, since the Zionist leaders were still characteristically, arguing over the name (should it be “Judea.” “Zion,” what about the name “Israel”?). Weizmann, for the first time in history, was asking for a nameless state to be recognized....

Although Ezekiel confidently wrote of the restored Jewish state as “Israel” 2,500 years before, those who actually served as midwives to the rebirth did not decide on the name until the very day before!

Hosea said of Israel, “I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time . . .” (Hosea 9:10)

Joel wrote of the northern invaders of Israel, “He hath laid my vine waste, and barked my fig tree. . .(Joel 1:7)

In 1948, the fig tree began to put forth leaves, so to speak, and Jesus said that generation would see ‘all these things’ fulfilled.

The Bible said that pivotal event in history would take place simultaneously with the birth of a revived Roman Empire. A unified Europe looks back to its’ foundation as January 1, 1948.
It said an apostate world religion would develop at the same time. Revelation 13:11 describes this religious system as “having two horns like a lamb” -- symbols of Christianity. The World Council of Churches was born in 1948.

It predicts that global political system will co-exist with a global economy. The World Trade Organization -- a trade organization empowered to regulate the global economy -- saw its genesis in the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, enacted by the UN in 1948.

The Bible predicted that global economy will fall under the control of a single individual who will be able to regulate commerce down to the individual level -- “That no man might buy or sell” -Rev 13:17. Such individual control was impossible before the advent of computers.

Although computers had been invented during World War II, they were huge, bulky monsters that used notoriously unreliable and hugely inefficient vacuum tubes. The first computers were slower than a pocket calculator, filled huge environmentally sealed rooms and required enough electricity to power a small city.

That all changed in 1948 after Bell Labs invented the transistor chip, signaling the official birth of the Computer Age.

That final age would be marked by 'rumors of war' - Matt 24:7. The ultimate 'rumor of war' was the Cold War. It began with the Berlin Airlift of 1948. The Soviet collapse was a direct result of the cost of fighting the Cold War.

The ongoing decline of US influence in the world is also related to the costs of that 'war'. The power vacuum left by the simultaneous decline of each of these great powers is being filled by Europe, just as the Bible predicted.

Earthquakes began to show a marked increase in size, scope and intensity in 1948. The modern period of ethnos against ethnos can be traced to the death of colonialism beginning in 1948.
Increasing 'pestilence' or deadly disease, can be traced to 1948. Economic 'kingdoms' began with the first multinational corporations in 1948.

Legislation passed by the UN in 1948 like the UDHR and the UNCPR function today as the legal cornerstones of our developing globalist worldview and the disintegration of US Constitutional guarantees.

The decline in morality -- worldwide -- can arguably be placed at the feet of the current trend of devaluing human life to the degree that legislation permitting abortion and euthanasia are evidences of an 'advanced' society.

The Japanese Eugenics Act -- the first legal abortion on demand legislation ever passed in modern society -- was passed in 1948.

American Margaret Sanger was so impressed with the idea that she founded the premier abortion rights advocacy group -- Planned Parenthood -- in 1948.

Let's not forget the other technological advances introduced in 1948 -- commercial television, holography, cybernetics, meteorology, the nuclear arms race, microelectronics and dozens of other advances that served to demystify the books of Daniel and the Revelation for this generation.

Add that to the social breakdown that followed the ouster of God from American education following McCollum vs. the board of education decision of 1948.

Don't forget the contribution made to evolutionary theory by the introduction of the 'Big Bang' theory of 1948. That served to further alienate the concept of a Creator God from the American worldview.

2 Peter 3:3 warns "that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."

All these things taken in context point to one logical conclusion. This is the generation of whom Jesus was speaking when He said, "This generation shall not pass until ALL these things be fulfilled."

--------------------
~To Him That is able to keep you from falling and to present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy...to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.~ Jude 24

Posts: 1503 | Registered: Jan 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
becauseHElives
Advanced Member
Member # 87

Icon 18 posted      Profile for becauseHElives   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I agree Carol, that's the way I see it.....

birth pains are progressive...starts out slow and mild and ends up fast and hard.....

--------------------
Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )

Posts: 4578 | From: Southeast Texas | Registered: Jun 2002  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Carol Swenson
Admin
Member # 6929

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Carol Swenson     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Although the world has always had false messiahs, cults, wars, ethnic violence and strife, starvation, disease, epidemics, and earthquakes, Jesus tells us that as a sign that we are entering into the last days we will see each of these increase in frequency and size. Described as "birth pangs," these "pains" will continue to grow worse and worse, coming closer and closer together, as signs we are preparing to enter the Apocalypse . . .
Posts: 6787 | From: Colorado | Registered: Dec 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
becauseHElives
Advanced Member
Member # 87

Icon 18 posted      Profile for becauseHElives   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Earthquakes in Biblical Literature

Earthquakes and other cataclysmic events
often carry theophanic significance in Scripture,
demonstrating God’s awesome power.

At Mount Sinai
the LORD’s presence was indicated by smoke and the
shaking of the mountain (Exodus 19:18; cf. 1 Kings
19:1132; Psalm 68:8; Job 9:6; Habakkuk 3:6).

When the New Testament church prayed “the place where they had gathered together was shaken” and the Spirit’s presence was manifested (Acts 4:31). Paul and Silas were freed when God’s power and presence was manifested in an earthquake (Acts 16:26).

The most unusual earthquakes were associated with the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ.

When Christ died on the cross, an earthquake shook the temple and rent the curtain of the temple from top to bottom
(Matthew 27:51). No human agency rolled away the
stone that sealed Christ’s tomb; it was the angel in the presence of the earthquake (Matthew 28:2).

More specifically, many seismic theophanies are
manifestations of God’s anger and righteous judgment
(cf. 1 Samuel 14:15; Psalm 18:7,8; Isaiah 5:25; 13:13;
29:6; Joel 3:16; Amos 1:1,2; 8:7,8; Micah 1:3-7; Nahum
1:5,6; Haggai 2:6, 21). The Day of the LORD is the
most elaborate judgment motif of Scripture. That day
is without fail marked by earthquakes and associated
celestial disturbances (Isaiah 2:19, 21; 13:13; 24:18;
29:5–6; Ezekiel 38:19–22; Joel 2:10; Zechariah 14:4,
5).

For example, Isaiah’s description of the destruction
of Babylon has cosmic overtones:
Therefore I shall make the heavens tremble,
. . . And the earth will be shaken from its place
At the fury of the LORD of hosts
. . . In the day of His burning anger. (Isaiah 13:13).

Yet during the awesome shakedown of heaven and
earth, “The LORD will have compassion on Jacob”
(Isaiah 14:1), and all creation will recognize God’sworking (Isaiah 14:3–8).

When Israel is attacked
by the armies of Gog, those armies are demolished
at the decree of the LORD by earthquake and cosmic
hailstones (Ezekiel 38:17–23). Zechariah is even
more explicit about the extraordinary geologic
upheaval in the Holy Land associated with the Day
of the LORD. A final earthquake at the LORD’s return
will split the Mount of Olives, uplift Jerusalem on its
site, and depress the surrounding Judean Mountains
(Zechariah 14:1–10).

Earthquakes are also associated with God’s selfrevelation
in the eschatology of the book of Hebrews
(Hebrews 12:25–29). The author warns his readers
not to refuse to heed the God who speaks as he
spoke at Sinai (“And His voice shook the earth then,”
Hebrews 12:26; cf. Exodus 19:18). The author then
passes through history from Sinai to the promise of a
great cosmic upheaval of the end time (“Yet once more
I will shake not only the earth but also the heaven,”
Hebrews 12:26; cf. Haggai 2:6). God’s ultimate
purpose is to give believers “a kingdom which cannot
be shaken” (Hebrews 12:28) so that the faithful,
having perceived his extraordinary power, can “offer
to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe”
(Hebrews 12:28).

Such passages provide the eschatological backdrop
for the book of Revelation, where earthquakes are
symbols of God’s final judgment upon the earth.

They appear as climactic judgments throughout the book,
producing terror, awe, and destruction among the
earth’s inhabitants. Five earthquakes are described.

These are at the opening of the sixth and seventh seals
(6:12; 8:5), just before and after the seventh trumpet
(11:13, 19), and during the seventh bowl (16:18).

This last earthquake is identified as the greatest ever on
earth (16:18), splitting Jerusalem into three parts
and destroying the cities of the nations.

Although demonstrating the awesome power
and presence of God, these passages do not indicate
an increase in earthquakes in the present age. For
those who follow a futuristic and dispensational
interpretation of Revelation, these earthquakes occur
during the Great Tribulation, not before it. They are
not precursors to the Day of the LORD, but evidence
of its presence.

--------------------
Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )

Posts: 4578 | From: Southeast Texas | Registered: Jun 2002  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Carol Swenson
Admin
Member # 6929

Icon 9 posted      Profile for Carol Swenson     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
More people have died in armed conflict in the 20th century alone than in recorded history. There are constant news reports about brewing conflicts around the world, and it always seems that there is trouble on the horizon, specifically in the Middle East. Christ tells us that these things have to happen; these events will set the stage for the coming Antichrist and final showdown between Israel and the world.

Deaths related to famine and disease have increased exponentially in the last 100 years. We see the occurence of new diseases all the time and there doesn't seem to be any end in sight.

According to one stat, earthquakes alone have increased in frequency and intensity some 2,000% since Israel returned to the land in 1948.

The alarming increase in hurricanes, tropical storms, tornadoes and tsunamis (which may more accuraltely be contributed to earthquake activity) since the end of the 20th century have been noted. The death toll due to natural events alone in the last 30 years has been significant.


http://www.rap-con.com/signs-of-the-end-times

Posts: 6787 | From: Colorado | Registered: Dec 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Eden
unregistered


Icon 5 posted            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
becauseHElives, it is not so much that there are more pestilences or more violence, because that is just not true. We are living in a very benign period since World War II.

Rather than trying to read the signs of the times by those, the fact that Iran is acting up is much more of a sign of the end times than pestilences or violence which have always been with us and which are actually rather mild right now.

But in Ezekiel, Iran is one of the nations allying itself with the nations that come against Jerusalem, so Iran's nuclear and missile behavior is very important:

Ezekiel 38
5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet;

6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Also, over the last 100 years or so, the earth has been divided into nations with firm borders, so that everyone is in their place now.

And also in the year 1830 A.D., the population of the earth first reached 1 billion people, and then by 1930, or in just 100 years, the population doubled to 2 billion, and then by 1976, or in just 46 years, the population doubled
to 4 billion, and now we at 6.5 billion population in 2009.

In addition we are in the midst of a 25% contraction of the world economy, which will put one-fourth of the people, or 1.7 billion people, at great risk and pressure.

In Ezekiel 36 and Ezekiel 37, Israelites began to return to the mountains of Israel, which began in 1948, and now we are probably seeing the start of Ezekiel 38 and Ezekiel 39 in which the nations get ready to come against the mountains of Israel.

And then starting in Ezekiel 40 to Ezekiel 48, Prince Jesus has arrived in Jerusalem.

So the above sign is much more obvious than pestilences and violence which have always been with us, and which have in fact been much worse in the past than they are today.

love, Eden

IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
becauseHElives
Advanced Member
Member # 87

Icon 1 posted      Profile for becauseHElives   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Copper25 [thumbsup2]

Carol, thanks for the movie tip, I will try and check them out.....

--------------------
Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )

Posts: 4578 | From: Southeast Texas | Registered: Jun 2002  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Copper25
Advanced Member
Member # 7464

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Copper25     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Frankly, I say this on the matter of Eschatology, it is true that no one knows the exact date save one, and that is the Father; but I do say this, with this world as we know it being like a steam egine hot in train pusing rapidly toward the gates of hell

Psalm 9:17) The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Proverbs 21:16) The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.

Frankly, like Edom in the prophecy of Obidiah. All that is left for this current world is for God to extend His mighty hand to snatch down and rip down the haughty exalted hearts, those nations, those people that exalt themself, as far as the judgment aspect goes. And of course, the Great tribulation will be part of that recompense of judgement.

Obidiah

3) The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?

4) Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.

Point being, saying that the time is near is not wrong at all because it is stacked forward not to far off, but to say, I know the exact date is foolishness.


Proverbs 16:18) Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

--------------------
Isaiah 40:6) The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field

Posts: 262 | From: Rochester, NY | Registered: Nov 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Carol Swenson
Admin
Member # 6929

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Carol Swenson     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
 -  -  -  -  -  -

These are pretty good DVDs. They are available from Amazon.com and Christian DVD sellers. They are especially good to give to unbelievers.

Posts: 6787 | From: Colorado | Registered: Dec 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
becauseHElives
Advanced Member
Member # 87

Icon 18 posted      Profile for becauseHElives   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
hello Eden, I am thankful for the days I live....I am thankful for life, I am thankful for Salvation through Yahshua's Blood, I am thankful He is in control of what appears to be chaos.

so Eden your point is "Yahweh is a liar, His Word untrue, untrustworthy.....

the scripture say ....2 Timothy 3
1BUT UNDERSTAND this, that in the last days will come (set in) perilous times of great stress and trouble [hard to deal with and hard to bear].

2For people will be lovers of self and [utterly] self-centered, lovers of money and aroused by an inordinate [greedy] desire for wealth, proud and arrogant and contemptuous boasters. They will be abusive (blasphemous, scoffing), disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy and profane.

3[They will be] without natural [human] affection (callous and inhuman), relentless (admitting of no truce or appeasement); [they will be] slanderers (false accusers, troublemakers), intemperate and loose in morals and conduct, uncontrolled and fierce, haters of good.

4[They will be] treacherous [betrayers], rash, [and] inflated with self-conceit. [They will be] lovers of sensual pleasures and vain amusements more than and rather than lovers of God.

5For [although] they hold a form of piety (true religion), they deny and reject and are strangers to the power of it [their conduct belies the genuineness of their profession]. Avoid [all] such people [turn away from them].

6For among them are those who worm their way into homes and captivate silly and weak-natured and spiritually dwarfed women, loaded down with [the burden of their] sins [and easily] swayed and led away by various evil desires and seductive impulses.

7[These weak women will listen to anybody who will teach them]; they are forever inquiring and getting information, but are never able to arrive at a recognition and knowledge of the Truth.

8Now just as Jannes and Jambres were hostile to and resisted Moses, so these men also are hostile to and oppose the Truth. They have depraved and distorted minds, and are reprobate and counterfeit and to be rejected as far as the faith is concerned.

9But they will not get very far, for their rash folly will become obvious to everybody, as was that of those [magicians mentioned].

10Now you have closely observed and diligently followed my teaching, conduct, purpose in life, faith, patience, love, steadfastness,

11Persecutions, sufferings--such as occurred to me at Antioch, at Iconium, and at Lystra, persecutions I endured, but out of them all the Lord delivered me.

12Indeed all who delight in piety and are determined to live a devoted and godly life in Christ Jesus will meet with persecution [will be made to suffer because of their religious stand].

13But wicked men and imposters will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and leading astray others and being deceived and led astray themselves.

14But as for you, continue to hold to the things that you have learned and of which you are convinced, knowing from whom you learned [them],

15And how from your childhood you have had a knowledge of and been acquainted with the sacred Writings, which are able to instruct you and give you the understanding for salvation which comes through faith in Christ Jesus [through the [b]leaning of the entire human personality on God in Christ Jesus in absolute trust and confidence in His power, wisdom, and goodness].

16Every Scripture is God-breathed (given by His inspiration) and profitable for instruction, for reproof and conviction of sin, for correction of error and discipline in obedience, [and] for training in righteousness (in holy living, in conformity to God's will in thought, purpose, and action),

17So that the man of God may be complete and proficient, well fitted and thoroughly equipped for every good work.

-----------------------------------------------

How will the day of the Lord come upon the world?

"For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, . . . and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief." 1 Thess. 5:2-4. .

--------------------
Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )

Posts: 4578 | From: Southeast Texas | Registered: Jun 2002  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Eden
unregistered


Icon 5 posted            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hello, becauseHElives, sorry to hear about the computer being brought down ... but as to you SIGNS of the times being signs of the end times, actually the period that the world has been living in since World War II has been VERY BENIGN.

There were FAR WORSE ATROCITIES committed in the days of pagan Assyria, pagan Babylon, pagan Persia, pagan Greece, pagan Rome and in the 4 centuries A.D. since the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

As for weather phenomena, in those days there were massive floods because they had no flood channels and no dams.

In those days at the whim of a dictator Emperor or King, thousands of people could be put on the execution list (proscription lists, they called them).

And they had their share of plagues which wiped out millions, like the Black Death in Europe or Typhoid epidemics.

If anything, dear sir, this period since World War II up to right now has been THANKFULLY BENIGN and I thank God for it:

Luke 17
26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

27 They ate, they drank, and they married wives and were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and then the flood came and destroyed them all.

If anything, the relative CALM is a SIGN of the time of the end.

love, Eden

IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Found in Him
Advanced Member
Member # 7596

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Found in Him   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Matt 24:6 "see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet"

--------------------
~To Him That is able to keep you from falling and to present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy...to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.~ Jude 24

Posts: 1503 | Registered: Jan 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Carol Swenson
Admin
Member # 6929

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Carol Swenson     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Great post becauseHElives!

The prophet Nahum reveals the eternal principle of the omnipotent God that for a nation to survive it must be established upon and directed by principles of righteousness and truth. Wickedness will eventually turn a nation back to Sheol, the oblivion of the unseen, when it makes cruelty and wickedness the standard by which it lives (Homer Hailey).

Posts: 6787 | From: Colorado | Registered: Dec 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
becauseHElives
Advanced Member
Member # 87

Icon 15 posted      Profile for becauseHElives   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
What Are The Signs Of The End Of Time



There are many signs of the end of time here are a few and there are more

In the last few years the world has gone from one crisis to another. the world's problems today grow more worse and worse and worry about what lies ahead but to predicted the future there have been some who said they could the fulfillment of the bible Armageddon no one knows the day but there are signs. And the signs are written in the Bible

THE SIGNS

Even the disciples ask Jesus when the end of the world was coming The signs that would come to pass before his second coming and the end of the world as we know it.there would be wars and rumors of wars nations rising against nation and kingdom against kingdom every time you turn on the t.v radio or pickup a news paper you here of rape murder and people going hungry

Disaster and Famines

Earthquakes, tornadoes, floods, are getting worse and happen more often And millions of people are hungry, and thousands die of starvation. Not only for food but also Famine for the word of God

Amos 8;11Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

12And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

13In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst

Wars

Luke21;9But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

10Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

Stars Falling Shooting Stars

Matthew 24;29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

November. 13, 1833, the skies were lit up by thousands of shooting stars every minute.




Evil spirits

Revelations16;14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

11Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer

I'm not saying this is how they look today .



Violence and crime

We are living in this today the world is fill with violence and crime every where today

Matthew 24;12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

2Timothy3;13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Luke1726And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

Genesis6;13And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

LISBON EARTHQUAKE

Great Earthquake

Revelation 6:12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

The 1755 Lisbon earthquake, also known as the Great Lisbon Earthquake, took place on November 1st 1755 follow by a Tsunami death toll was 60,000 to 100,000 people dead one of the most destructive earthquake in history


False prophets Betray and hate for one another

Now these are Brother's and Sister's in Christ that say they know the Lord

Matthew 24;3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.



Increase in knowledge

today people think that they don't need God today that they can do any thing they want to and God will forgive them thinking they can out smart God

Daniel12;4But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Fear

Luke21;25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

Lot's of us in the world are living in fear of getting out and going anywhere just going to the mall school you don't know if you will make it back home today you don't know who to trust anymore and even in their own home when leaving home or going somewhere take along the best friend you will ever have and one who you can trust take Jesus with you

ALCOHOL & GLUTTONY

Drinking (drunk) and gluttony

Luke17;28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built;

29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The condition of today we are living in is similar to the time of Noah and Lot eating and drinking

Pestilences

Luke21;11And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven

There is different types of Cancer ,then there's Aids and there the Bird Flu West Nile Virus

Just about every body you meet these day something is wrong with them like High Blood Pressure Heart Failure Arthritis

There are so many Diseases today and some there is no cure it seem like every time you turn around there is a new one even the common one are getting harder to cure and you seem to get them more often.

And talk of how bad this is now we not seen nothing yet



Dark Days

Maathew2429Immediately after the tribulation of those

days shall the sun be darkened,and the moon

shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven,

and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

on May 19th, 1780,was not due to an eclipse and that day

cannot be explain



Great Tribulations

They were tortured, burned at the stake Over 50 million Christians were slain for their faith during this terrible tribulation period.Even Your own family will turn on you There are many dying in Jesus name today

Matthew24;21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time,no, nor ever shall be.

John16 ;2They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

3And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

Luke21;12But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you,and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

13And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

14Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

15For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

16And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

.



All of this is happening in this world today[/B]

there are some leaving their spouse to be with the same sex and the Kids will not do the what their parents ask them they do the they will not mine them anymore the kids today tell the parents what to do ,

Abomination

Romans1;26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Pride and Selfishness

2Timothy3;1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Some only thinking of their selves people want glory and praise for thier selves instead of giving it to God they want it to be about themselves and fill their pockets they put everything else (the things of the world }before God

Warning Message and the message is being preached

Matthew24;14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

THIS IS ONLY A FEW SIGNS OF THE COMING OF THE LORD

A NATION WITHOUT GOD IS ON A ROAD TO DESTRUCTION



--------------------
Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )

Posts: 4578 | From: Southeast Texas | Registered: Jun 2002  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator


 
Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:

Contact Us | Christian Message Board | Privacy Statement



Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.5.0

Christian Chat Network

New Message Boards - Click Here