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WildB
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Originally posted by Jeunet:
I meant the way it was told in the story. Of course anyone involved in science knows that darkness is the absence of light, etc. Hence showing this story was made up ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Your right. ThanX for catch-in this.
1. snopes.com: Einstein Humiliates Atheist •••
Did Albert Einstein humiliate an atheist professor by using the 'Evil is the absence of God' argument on him?
...Einstein humiliated an atheist professor by using the "Evil is the absence of God" argument on him. Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2004]...
...his students with this question. Did God create everything that exists? A student bravely replied, "Yes, he did!" "God created everything? The...
...the mix where there's a need for someone to play the role of Science Vanquished in Science-versus-Religion tales. But he is not inserted merely to serve...
Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:48:05 GMT http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp
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Jeunet
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I meant the way it was told in the story. Of course anyone involved in science knows that darkness is the absence of light, etc. Hence showing this story was made up
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WildB
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"Anyone even remotely knowledgeable about science knows there's no such thing as "cold" or "darkness"."
Then what do you call the absence of heat, light, or air?
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Jeunet
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Oh yikes, you guys got to be careful when spreading these sorts of chain letters.
This one has so many wrongs it's scary.
First, it never happened to Einstein, ever. There's no existing source to testify this event except this letter. Also, Einstein never wrote such book called God vs Science. Not in 1921, not ever.
Why would the author of this letter commit such blatant lies? What's his/her motivation?
Even if at had happened to Einstein, the letter implies a classic fallacy: appeal to authority. It basically mean, it's not because someone of high esteem and authority says something, that this something is automatically true.
So we get a double lie that camouflage as a fallacy. Ugh.
Then just the character of the teacher. Anyone even remotely knowledgeable about science knows there's no such thing as "cold" or "darkness". It's such a fundamental basis in the most basic of science that the character can only have been made up. Some sort of cartoonish Wile E Coyote we just wait to receive the anvil on his head.
And to top it all that teacher says that evolution shows that "humans comes from monkeys". This one is a big teller. Evolution don't show that at all. Never did and never will. Only someone completely unaware of evolution could say such a thing, proving once more the whole story was just made up.
I really wonder about the motivation behind a story like that.
Was the author making fun of Christians?
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jean123
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amen! i like that one! ![[clap2]](graemlins/clap2.gif)
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I LOVE this!!! thank you...I am passing this on!
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I really enjoyed this. Thanks for posting it. ![[thumbsup2]](graemlins/thumbsup2.gif)
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God Vs. Science
'Let me explain the problem science has with religion.' The
atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then
asks one of his new students to stand.
'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'
'Yes sir,' the student says.
'So you believe in God?'
'Absolutely.'
'Is God good?'
'Sure! God's good.'
'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'
'Yes''
' Are you good or evil?'
'The Bible says I'm evil.'
The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible! ' He considers for a
moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a
sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do
it. Would you help him? Would you try?'
'Yes sir, I would.'
'So you're good...!'
'I wouldn't say that.'
'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you
could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'
The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't,
does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to
Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that one?'
The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?'
the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give
the student time to relax. 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'
'Er..yes,' the student says.
'Is Satan good?'
The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'
'Then where does Satan come from?'
The student falters 'From God'
'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is
there evil in this world?'
'Yes, sir.'
'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'
'Yes'
'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God
created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works
define who we are, then God is evil.'
Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these
terrible things, do they exist in this world?'
The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'
'So who created them?'
The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his
question. 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the
lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.'Tell me,' he continues
onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?'
The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.'
The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to
identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'
'No sir. I've never seen Him.'
'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'
'No, sir, I have not.'
'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your
Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God
for that matter?'
'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'
'Yet you still believe in him?'
'Yes'
'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God
doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?'
'Nothing,' the student replies. 'I only have my faith.'
'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem
science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'
The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. 'Professor, is
there such thing as heat?'
Yes.' 'And is there such a thing as cold?'
'Yes, son, there's cold too.'
'No sir, there isn't.'
The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested.
The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.
'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but
we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit down to 458 degrees
below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be
able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Everybody or object is susceptible to study when it has
or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit
energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to
describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat
is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'
Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.
'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'
'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night if it isn't darkness?'
'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence
of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you
have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness,
isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality,
darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'
The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester.. 'So
what point are you making, young man?'
'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to
start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'
The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed?
Can you explain how?'
'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains..
'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and
a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure.. Sir,
science can't even explain a thought.' 'It uses electricity and magnetism,
but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To
view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death
cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.'
'Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved
from a monkey?'
'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man,
yes, of course I do.'
'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'
The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A
very good semester, indeed.
'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and
cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you
not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'
The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.
'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an
example of what I mean.' The student looks around the room.
'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's
brain?'The class breaks out into laughter. 'Is there anyone
here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's
brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have
done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you
have no brain, with all due respect, sir. So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'
Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face
unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers.
'I guess you'll have to take them on faith.'
'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with
life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?'
Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it
every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in
The multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These
manifestations are nothing else but evil.'
To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it
does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just
like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the
absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens
when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold
that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.'
The professor sat down.
If you read it all the way through and had a smile on your face when you
finished, mail to your friends and family with the title 'God vs. Science'
PS: the student was
Albert Einstein.
Albert Einstein wrote a book titled God vs. Science in 1921...
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