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Ya eden, but if one indescriminately deletes all his cookies, he makes it difficult for things like financial services sites, where identifying info is placed on one's computer so that one may not have to 're-enter' the necessary information each time he tries to log on.
Well, we all seem to love sin. It is a mystery. But we don't have to be unfaithful. No man who loves the Lord wants to be that way, even though he so easily gravitates there. And what it is all about is discovering the goodness of God so that we will not want to partake of the 'forbidden fruit'. After all, there once was someone like that who did, and look what misery it accomplished for the whole of mankind.
And to embrace it is to miss the quality of God. But the point of scripture is that we are not condemned by our fallen nature to disappoint God.
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1 Cor 4:2-5 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful. But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
Rom 14:10-13 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
A comment or two. I'm not completely sure what you are implying, purely, but I would like to note that 1Cor 4:5 Paul is addressing those whom he lectures. And he is making a point to people who withstand him, and his authority in the Lord. For from this relationship issues his instructions to the church, and the key word here is 'relationship'. But belligerent people were unwilling to humble themselves to realize that Christ was speaking in Paul. And they preferred to instruct him, or, to discount him. So he replied that he knew where he stood, and it was a small matter that they should judge him as otherwise.
And in Romans 14:10 he is is being specific in referring to 'this' brother who is 'weak in the faith', saying to "receive him." For in other places Paul clearly says to judge the brethren. We have to differentiate between the brother who is weak in the faith whom we should endure, and encourage that he might grow, and those referenced in other places who 'should know', and who are not living up to what they know.
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Hi, MH, that happened to me once at work too. You can delete the cookise by going to Start, Settings, Control Panel, Internet Options, say ok to delete history and ok to delete temp files, and ok to delete cookies and it will delete them. It is in any case a good idea to empty the cache of these temp items, because if they fill up, they will slow your computer down a lot and they can be breeding grounds for viruses.
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1 Cor 8:1-2 Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. And if any man think that he knoweth anything, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
Gal 6:1-3 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
1 Cor 4:2-5 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful. But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
Rom 14:10-13 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
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Now, the day before yesterday 6/20/09, I was searching the web. I do extensive searches, fairly often. I found a skating web site. I clicked on the photos. A porn site came up. I immediately left before the ink was dry on the screen.
Well you know what? That site left a cookie on this computer (which is not mine, by the way, and it is networked). And what is the problem with that? The advertisers on this and other sites launch search bots which scan a person's cookies to see where they have visited. They do this so that they can target an audience for selective advertising. So, the sys op sees this. And maybe someone else finds out. Then that someone, thinking he or she has found a mortal flaw, selectively posts on the board that which has content which addresses such behavior. And the one thinks he or she is God's watchdog, doing his or her duty to abase someone.
And God help us all, should the adult site get someone's attention, and he or she revisit it. That is like confirmation that the devil owns him (or her). And so it goes. Every one of your computers hold secrets which are not necessarily hidden from view. And like scripture says: (I think this is the Living Translation) "All things are revealed to HIM to whom we have to do." And that means that HE sees your thoughts, nevermind the computer. You are naked before Him, every thought, every 'intent', every contempt, every declination.
Now I told that to my church many years ago, and it started a serious fallout. In fact, the pastor's wife stood up and addressed it, indignantly. She was enraged. Was she right? No. It was purely God's word. But it shows how sin stunted we all are. She was protesting that when she should have been repenting.
Years later I ran into the pastor and his wife in a grocery. They wouldn't even acknowledge me. All I can say is that they are prisoners. But God has set them free, yet they cling to their lower nature.
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By the way, I was watching James Robison's pastor on TV the other day. It had to be the most correct discourse I have heard on TV. I'll be listening more to verify this.
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Well, I'm trying to find a way not to be imposing. I don't want to be overbearing, which does come so easily. And there is a danger when I point out things in someone. It is taken as criticism. It is not meant as such. I am addressing points of reference which one should be able to relate to. But it is taken offense to.
Well, you know it is hard to make a point without addressing things which could be different in someone (according to God's word). But if it is done in hate, it is understandable that one would react as he does. But if it is in love, a resonable person will not reject it (together with the speaker). Not too many are reasonable, for they hear rejection, not hope! And they hear someone claiming to be better, rather than someone who has discovered the mildness of God which converts.
But it is rejection that hurts. And the point of addressing 'things which could, by HIS grace,' be different, is not rejection. So if it is perceived as such, it will be reacted to. And I do not claim the skillset which is easily able to relate things without it sounding like rejection, reproof, or rebuke. (The three 'R's)
Yet, have I not said over and over, "It is about having." Here is the awkward part: people 'reject' having, which is LOVE on a platter. The notion is objectionable to them, and that because they feel that they have to work for it, and that because they 'feel guilty', and want to overcome it. And that is impossible to counter, especially without sounding brazen, and crass. Duh! and Duh! It is painfully sad, woefully tormenting.
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Now, the difference between being saved and not saved is that when I was NOT saved I also cursed about the same things, but now that I am saved I tell the Lord that I'm sorry afterwards, which I never did BEFORE I was saved.
Going back to this statement, not meaning to point 'you' out to yourself, but just to use this as an illustration, is this not using one's 'experience' as the standard. I mean, is this the right standard to express the change in one's life? Or is God's word supposed to be the standard (which by the way, denies this behaviorial defect)?
That however may be problematic depending upon one's faith. For many see God's word as justifying them in their sin and imperfection. They see it as 'condoning'. Yet they run each Sunday to get forgivness. So what really is happening is that they are 'condoning' thieir actions until they repent, and that makes it ok to have both, sin and repentance.
But they don't realize that sinning is not a requirement. They think that they are supposed to, then repent. And even worse, they think that God's word reinforces this. That is because they don't read.
And all I do is try to get people to read the Bible the way it is written. That is all.
They don't. They develop a concept first, then they look in the Bible for that which backs up their concept! And they will fight anyone who denies their concept. But it is a dishonest concept. It is dishonest towards God. It is dishonest towards the Word. And they almost might as well be Jehovah's Witnesses or something. Because what they do is to develop a concept, then look in the word for that which will back it up. It is inverted.
But if one uses God's word as a standard, he at first will find things that he cannot make sense of. That of course helps one to ignore what he doesn't understand, and find only that which reinforces his or her concept. But there has to be a nagging disquiet about this. And here is a problem: when someone doesn't understand, he goes and asks his pastor, who then says that he doesn't understand. So that person feels ok, even justified, since his own pastor doesn't understand. And the person therefore 'accepts' himself, which is to miss the boat. He should find out the truth, then tell the pastor. But know what? The pastor will reject him. Duh!
The question is what is the standard. In other words, what is God's word really saying about this? And do you fit it? That is the way of approaching the Kingdom of Heaven, and its King.
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You are as unteachable as the rest of us. Many people have here have tried to talking to you, with no results.
Although, I personally think that you are the only one too hard headed to listen to anybody.
Do tell me betty, what it is that I am hardheaded about. Tell me how I am unteachable. Spell it out. Fill me in. And what of 'many people'. Am I to subject myself to them, or the Father of Lights? Judge ye. Many men instructed Job. But they were wrong.
As long as I live I'll not forget mentioning to you that "two men will be in bed. One will be taken and the other left." We were discussing the rapture. You said, "I won't take your word for it!!! My pastor is my mentor."
Well, I found it strange that it is right there in black and white print, to be read, but you ignored this, preferring, as you said, to be subject to your pastor, rather than discover for yourself what is the truth. Will you limit me to your faith (or lack thereof)? You would. But I'll not submit.
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Well, enough! How about this. I will just go away, and yall, can just get it wrong! Whatsit to me? And “Talk about an attitude,” you’ll say! “The sooner the better!”
No need for u to go anywhere, MH, as long as you are saved, and I think you are, you're okay with me. Be blessed in Jesus.
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Indeed Betty. It is a standoff. But I have to answer for me, and you have to answer for you. I am glad that you are every bit confident were HE to stand before you right now.
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Now, the difference between being saved and not saved is that when I was NOT saved I also cursed about the same things, but now that I am saved I tell the Lord that I'm sorry afterwards, which I never did BEFORE I was saved.
Is that the requisite difference? Is that how far HE has brought us?
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You are as unteachable as the rest of us. Many people have here have tried to talking to you, with no results.
Although, I personally think that you are the only one too hard headed to listen to anybody.
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It just isn't possible to make a point. The bottom line is that one cannot say anything whatsoever which disagrees somehow, with someone, or which resembles disapproval without it being taken personally, and as some form of rejection or rebuke. I don't recall saying you were terrible. I do recall saying that we each have no hope unless we see ourselves 'not' as good people. No one is excluded. And to think that just saying darn is 'better' than other things that could be said is self deception. They both issue from the same place. It is not a matter of degree, but rather it is the source. The source of both is not of the Father.
Really! Jesus said, "ye strain at gnats and swallow camels," to which the Pharisees thought to themselves, "how dare he. Who does HE think HE is? What have we done wrong?" They thought they were good people. In fact, those who killed Christ no doubt thought of themselves as 'good' people. No kidding! We are that stupid.
But scripture points out that we are not good people, and that unless we get it, we cannot approach the savior. For 'good' people do not get there! For good people are not 'good' enough, no matter how well intending, or how they evaluate themselves.
There is a trememdous peril in the ranks of Christianity. It is the peril of being unteachable. It is a plague. Almost all of Christianity has it, like leavin. But dare I say so? For I will be labeled as evil. Someone will even go so far as to point out my faults to me. And have! I do listen, whether I show it or not.
But I am not brutalizing the brethren. It is their misconception. I am tossing easy to hit softballs in the hope that someone will knock it out of the park in a home run. For it is good to win. But none of the people hit any of the balls, and then they complain that I am throwing too hard.
Jesus 'speaks' the truth in love. However, that spoken truth is filtered between the ears and the heart of the believer till it is heard as stern or rebuking. His words are not so. They are life. But people complain that 'life' is too demanding. It is in the hearer, not the speaker. The words are spoken in love, with a hopeful goal.
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You say it is okay to cuss at your father but when I say dang it when the coffee pot broke, I am a terrible person.
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I will sum it up like this: people chatting here with me want to believe it one way, when I am simply saying that scripture says it is another. That is what the "get off my back" fuss is about. But it all boils down to what one 'wants' to believe, rather than what is. So am I crude for wanting to make the point? Would someone fault a pharmacist for recommending a name brand over a generic because it is widely respected to be better? Yes. There are some who want generic and who do not want to be instructed concerning it. So again, the passage speaks of they who oppose themselves.
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Dear MH, when I read this, I was thinking "you know, MH has become just like his dad, he doesn't recogize it but MH treats us members of the bbs in the same way as his father treats him". And that was probably the reaction of other members too. What do you think of that, MH?
Believe me Eden, I anticipated this charge already (by HIS Spirit), and as per the quote below, I have no doubt.
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There are some members here who would think that you have become "just like your dad", not to your dad, but to us. Personally I know how to have "victory with you" but there are some here who would "practically cuss in an attempt to keep you off their back because you will not 'get it'.
If I go into a thread started by someone else, and persist, it may perhaps be considered pressure, or persecution. Yet in an atmosphere of point, and counter point, is it? But when someone comes into a thread that I started, and challenges what is being said, to correct me, it is not as though I am 'dominating' them in defending what I say.
Mat 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
Now, what, after all, would you rather I talk about? ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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It is a sad situation with my dad. It is obviously pretty bad when someone who preaches abiding in the Commandments is compelled to be venomous with his very own dad to keep him from being so controlling and disapproving, seeing he is that thick. But, Kathryn Kuhlman used to say, don’t put your faith in me! She after all, knew that she was only human, and was herself only inches away, at any time, from sinning. And neither she or I am who someone should put ones faith in. (I know that is not a problem here, but just for the record.)
Well my dad has been ‘religious’ for a year or two now. I can only hope. We all know that being religious can be a substitute for what is the ‘acceptable’ sacrifice. Moreover he has COPD, with only months, perhaps, to live. His time is really short now. But he has not peace, or understanding, as one would expect of someone who knows Christ. He is full of fear, of this or that, and unadulterated ’self-assurance’ about the rest And I guess no more I will say. But as a dad he worked really hard all his life and provided well. He took the family places like the mountains, and beaches (which are so a part of me). He defended me, and came to my rescue if I was in trouble (such as when the South Carolina idiot shamelessly had me arrested). He spared no expense if I or my brother were sick. HE was good that way.
He had to suffer a lot of stuff over the years because of my mom’s health (albeit, I am convinced that she developed some of it as an only defense against him and his petty incessant, never ending, completely unnecesssary instructions).
He has given me things, that is, that he approved of which he wanted for me, though he always has 'to consider' everything for whatever reason (it was never a straight up yes). And because of all this I suppose he thinks I am supposed to think of him as a good person, and that all proves it; and he is. Yet while in some ways he is, his having a good personality and all that, still, there are no good people in heaven, which is the most important consideration of anything whatsoever. In other words, heaven is most important, and we all have to recognize we are 'not' good people before Jesus will open the door to us.
I have no way to say thanks though for a lot of things that I would like to. We just can’t communicate! I can't communicate it at all (and with so little time left!) It is difficult.
But mom, I do believe, by the skin of her teeth, got it, six plus months ago, just before she died. And she would have nothing to do with God till the very last, but I believe that by an astonishing miracle, she made it to heaven. She considered these things just before an illness took her.
Well, enough! How about this. I will just go away, and yall, can just get it wrong! Whatsit to me? And “Talk about an attitude,” you’ll say! “The sooner the better!” (Don't think I am saying this with an attitude. I find it all humorous)
Anyway, I only want for you what Jesus wants for you, each and every one. And in closing, I know this doesn’t help make the case in your view, but after all, HE will not help those who oppose themselves.
2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
And it doesn’t sound like meekness to say it that way either, huh? But if I hated ya, it’ud be very different. Praise God, I don’t. Just wish I could have made the point! But if you really wanted what HE wants for you, you'd have an honest heart about it.
But through all this I have been observing my writing, and noting the feedback so that I might improve. Will I? I dunno!
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Hello, MH, hope today finds you in good spirit. You wrote quote:
I have no victory around my dad. It is awful. I have not any. His whole attitude, and every action or speech comes from such a position as though he is the 'appointed' one. Therefore you are not human. You are not a friend. He is master, and we know that masters have no friends, but only subjects. You feel usurped.
And every speech demands respect. We know that one cannot 'demand' respect.
Dear MH, when I read this, I was thinking "you know, MH has become just like his dad, he doesn't recogize it but MH treats us members of the bbs in the same way as his father treats him". And that was probably the reaction of other members too. What do you think of that, MH?
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But (keeping this short) he doesn't view himself as abusive. And really he is a nice guy in almost every other way. But he insults. He demeans.
There are some members here who would think that you have become "just like your dad", not to your dad, but to us. Personally I know how to have "victory with you" but there are some here who would "practically cuss in an attempt to keep you off their back because you will not 'get it'.
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I actually cuss in an attempt to keep him off my back because he will not 'get it'. But, as sin goes, that only makes me look like the villain, with nails and glue holding it together to be sure of it.
Yes, it makes those members look like villains to you too, just as you look like a villain to your dad. But what neither you nor your dad can realize (except God helps you) is that you both are creating your own villains who have "no other defense because of your "authoritative atttitude".
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But I have no other defense. Because of the relationship, as in my being family, he blindly takes for granted that he has 'rights', and they are absolute. And he has no concept of respect. Just authority!
You are a lot like that, MH, "blindly taking for granted that you have 'rights', and they are absolute. And you have no concept of respect. Just authority!"
MH, you have become a lot like your dad in your interaction with others: you also act like a master whose opinions cannot be controverted. Listen again to what you wrote: quote:
You are not a friend. He is master, and we know that masters have no friends, but only subjects. You feel usurped.
That's how other members of this bbs feel by the way you talk to them, just like your dad talks to you, and therefore you cannot see "get it" because it was transmitted to you "by your dad": you have learned unwittingly from your dad that "that's how you talk to people, son".
However, MH, I'm okay with who you are and I'm thankful that you have saved yourself. Is your dad saved also?
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What I love about the Lord is that He loved me not because of who I am but in spite of who I am.
Which is not to say that I will now sin more than before I was saved, because that would be irrational: what saved person would sin MORE now that he or she is saved, that just wouldn't happen.
But what I love about the Lord is that He loved me, not because of who I am but in spite of who I am.
That is, as long as I'm willing to agree with Him, that, yes it is true that I need to be saved in spite of who I am and not because of who I am. And I acknowledge that by saying "sorry, Lord", which I never used to say before I was saved, I couldn't give a toot that I had just cursed or whatever, Amen? But now I see it and acknowledge it as a blemish for sure.
love, Eden
"Why don't you ask the Lord not to act like that" (Cece Winans, Purified CD)
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Michael,
You are convinced or you seem to be trying to convince us that you live a sinless life. That is great for you. The rest of us live in human bodies with human frailties. Sure we would love to like to promise never to lose our temper, but truth is we are not perfect. Thank God that He loves us inspite of our imperfections.
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There are no good people in heaven. HE did not come to save 'good' people. For they that are well need not a physician. So they who are proud because they are good people, because they do not cuss are first of all sinning becaues they are proud. Then they are missing the whole point of what God is looking for in a person. He is looking for people to 'depend' upon HIM. And good people do not need to do that!
Moreover, what HE is looking for in a person can be found in the passages of scripture which start with, "Blessed is he who..." The Beattitudes! Thankful should he be who fits this genre of humanity! The rest are 'self elected'. For they think that they are good enough to qualify.
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So, it is better to give God control rather than to try to have it for yourself. For if you have it for yourself you can expect to do a lot of cussing!
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
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Sin is in the world. God allows things to happen but he did not put the hole in my pot. As usual, Michael, you just do not get it.
I am not proud of losing my temper, but the words I used can be used on this board, by the way.
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When we say JESUS is LORD, it means Master, and mover, of all that exists. He is provider in every little thing, even that which frequently opposes us. He is our source. We react out of HIM!!!
A better way would be to say 'REJOICE'. We therefore rejoice out of Him if we are yielded, or out of our lusts if we are not.
It is to be noted that as our source, every negative we encounter is a blessing in disquise, or HE is not our source. If HE is not our source, we 'react'. That comes from doubt, or 'unbelief'. Therefore that is why we cuss. It shows unbelief that HE is our provision and that is a complaint, instead of a 'thank'. Who would cuss if he knows that he is provided for, and that the testy little thing that counters him is just opportunity for JESUS to manifest HIS care, and to be closer?
Something different happens when we praise Him.
Is the little thing unimportant to Him? Not!
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I disagree. I was not complaining against God but the hole in my coffee pot. It is not God's fault the pot broke.
And MH, I do think that on some level it IS cussing out the Lord, as if I am saying, "Lord, if you had made the world BETTER than this would not have happened, etc.", while, on the other hand, I agree with Betty Louise that God did not put that hole in the coffee pot and it's kinda just between "us and the coffee pot".
Then you don’t get it! If God wanted there NOT to be a hole in the coffee pot, HE could have seen to it. Therefore, if you complain, you complain against Him. After all, HE is 'the' SOURCE. If the goods are defective, is it beyond HIS control? HE knew that there was going to be a hole in the coffe pot, or whatever.
Look, does HE not say that not a single sparrow falls from the sky without HIM knowing it? Every hair on your head is numbered. Therefore, if you are going to make HIM Lord of your life, then do it. He may give you a good coffee pot, or HE may give you a defective one, to try you (or at least, you may be tried in the moment due to one).
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That “It - slips out,” it is because it is already in there. It is going to ‘slip’ out if it is in there. The idea is for it not to be 'in' there. And that is possible when, and only when one is in full surrender, and truly knows what ‘full surrender‘ means. For then he is in full trust. And ‘full trust’ is not disappointed. HE is GOD!
This recognition is oft ‘exercised’ as a matter of course, meaning proven. But if one is in full trust, he does not ‘react’ out of carnal lusts which is what he once was. They do not have the upper hand, your being DEAD through faith. And that is what it means to be crucified. It means that they are not there to react from if your faith is perfect. (And don't forget, here is why we are to give thanks in all things!) And if HE is your source, discover, or recognize what HE wants to do differently than you ordinarily would.
Here is another thing:
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GOD gave me willpower through His grace to rise above the addiction to sex;
I am not faulting thunderz in this statement. I am sure of what he is saying. However, it is not by willpower that anything whatsoever is accomplished, by and large. Willpower automatically fails. It is condemned. We cannot lean to it for we are to lean on the LORD. To lean to it is to fail of God. So victory has to come from somewhere else, and it comes from letting HIM do it all, and we serve HIM in it, because as the source, HE has an answer in every (insignificant) thing. He is Lord of your circumstances. And HE is your source in them. Again, it is the coffee pot situation. If you don’t believe that HE is Lord of it, you don’t know HIS power. You are not surrendered. Or to be short, you are not a believer. Mind you, I didn't say you weren't a Christian.
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Eden,
This is one of those
been there,
done that,
got that T-shirt kind of things for me.
After being born again as a teen in a denomination that had little true teaching of the WORD and how to grow in the WORD,
and little leadership for ne converts,
I spent years in a sad condition;
I was a slave to sex, every thought and action were to that end = women, wine and song.
I used alcohol, drugs and anything else to influence others to play into my games.
Cussing was just a part of the lifestyle.
After hitting the bottom, as depraved lifestyles most times do,
and finding real Christians who taught the truth of the WORD,
finally there was a true change in my life.
I a moment YHWH removed any desire for drugs,
any need for alcohol;
GOD gave me willpower through His grace to rise above the addiction to sex;
but like the children of Israel coming into the land of promise =
Exodus 23:28 And I will send hornets before thee, which shall drive out the Hivite, the Canaanite, and the Hittite, from before thee.
29 I will not drive them out from before thee in one year; lest the land become desolate, and the beast of the field multiply against thee.
30 By little and little I will drive them out from before thee, until thou be increased, and inherit the land.
Some things GOD will remove all together,
other things, as he said to Saul/Paul =
2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Suddenly the biggest problem I had in my life wasn't sex,
wasn't alcohol,
wasn't drugs,
it was my mouth.
His grace is sufficient, for us to increase in Him and for us to inherit this land.
Every time I spoke/speak wrongly, by the time the word exits my mouth, Holy Spirit says to my spirit =
from
Matthew 12:34 - "for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh."
So I pray about the abundance that is in my heart;
thought, word and deed.
He will change our hearts if we will hear his voice
2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
Psalms 19:14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
HE will perform the healing of the land,
we must accept His gift and allow His grace to be sufficient,
little by little,
precept upon precept,
line upon line,
glory to glory.
Everybody deals with something,
we don't all deal with the same things,
I pray we all allow his grace to be sufficient to deal with whatever it is on a personal level,
to increase in Him,
inherit the land,
and see the land healed.
Peace be with you
in Jesus
T7
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MH, wrote quote:
Yea, but the reality is that when we cuss, it is our Heavenly Father that we do. If that sinks into anyone, he or she will begin to think more about it.
MH, for me, even if I thought about it more, the cuss is out practically "in spite of me". It is not that I think it's so wonderful to cuss, not at all, but it's already out of me before I even had a chance to say "Hey!". It is almost like inbred sin at this point.
Now, this is different from talking. When I talk with someone about a subject, then I do have a choice to decide whether to use a lowlife word or a nicer word.
And before I was saved, I did use more lowlife words than I do know, I do think one can pay attention to those. Sometimes I still use a lowlife word in conversation, but then I'm usually sorry that I did and find that it was kind of unnecessary and I often will correct myself by saying, "well, I shouldn't use that word, let me rephrase that".
But when certain things happen during the day which are NOT part of a conversation but are usually a response to something unexpected happening, then a cuss will come out practically unstoppable, and all I seem to be able to do then is say, "Sorry, Lord", which at least is something that I never did BEFORE I was saved.
And MH, I do think that on some level it IS cussing out the Lord, as if I am saying, "Lord, if you had made the world BETTER than this would not have happened, etc.", while, on the other hand, I agree with Betty Louise that God did not put that hole in the coffee pot and it's kinda just between "us and the coffee pot".
And to be sure, when I let out a cuss like that, it is NOT God who is "cussing thru me on my behalf", it's all the old Adamic me who does that part. And I really don't see how with "more thinking about it" I would be able to prevent it from coming out.
MH continued: quote:
In other words, cussing is complaining. When we do it, it is against God. It is the opposite of letting Him be in control.
Of course. But it still comes out of me in spite of my best intentions.
love, Eden
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I disagree. I was not complaining against God but the hole in my coffee pot. It is not God's fault the pot broke. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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![[happyhappy]](graemlins/happyhappy.gif) Yea, but the reality is that when we cuss, it is our Heavenly Father that we do. If that sinks into anyone, he or she will begin to think more about it.
In other words, cussing is complaining. When we do it, it is against God. It is the opposite of letting Him be in control.
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Eph 5:20 "Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;"
1Th 5:18 "In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you."
This is easier said then done, sometimes. Yesterday, I was saying alot of darn it an dang its when I found out the glass jar with my coffee pot had a hole in it and was pouring coffee all over the cabinet.
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Before answering this I want to clarify the difference between sin, and sinning. Sin is a condition. It is a state of compromise in which one is overcome with the defeat of sin. And to sin, while in this condition, while still recognizable as a seemingly separate event, is simply something which adds to the condition. It just is something that has a higher profile, in your descernment.
But when one is walking in freedom, God places him on a high horse. (Now I say it this way for illustration. Actually the person is humbled. But it is easier to see this if one imagines being on a high horse.)
But when one is so lifted up because of submission to the will of God, he is not in a condition or state of sin. HE is in a state of overcoming. But he can sin. And when he does sin, death is instantly exercised. For there are consequences for sin. And those consequences are the working of death. (James) You may see it manifested as someone ajacent being hurt. Your testimony may be hurt. HIS testimony is hurt. But in any case, something goes down hill. So knowing that there are consequences, we prefer not to sin. (Think of King David.)
But to sin when walking on the high planes is to be knocked off of the high horse (for the sake of illustration). Yet to be in the condition of sin, one is constantly sinning without any break. Let these two be distinguished.
So, do I cuss. Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
Traffic is one of the most trying situations. The dumbest, and most disrespectful things happen which 'offend' (off-end) someone. And being alone, so one feels, it is easy to let slip. But if it is not in the heart, that is, if the heart is guarded, it will not be there to let slip. That is true victory. It must not be in the heart.
So why is it there? It is there because the heart is not trusting God. For when the heart is trusting God, then he is not in transgression. That is all that can be said.
So what happens when one is in traffic and something offensive happens. Well, one has to first ask himself if he truly has surrendered. He has to ask if he truly is willing to let God be in control. It is a part of self-examination which should not go undone.
But if he is surrendered to the whole will of God, when the situation that offends (off-ends) occurs, it will not be taken personal.He will let God handle it. Indeed, God (if you have submitted to HIM) probably has a purpose in the 'offense'. If nothing else it is to prove Him. Or it is to prove you. Are you in the victory? Are you truly trusting HIM with it all? It is easier than one would think, not to react sinfully. He simply must be trusting God.
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I have no victory around my dad. It is awful. I have not any. His whole attitude, and every action or speech comes from such a position as though he is the 'appointed' one. Therefore you are not human. You are not a friend. He is master, and we know that masters have no friends, but only subjects. You feel usurped.
And every speech demands respect. We know that one cannot 'demand' respect. But (keeping this short) he doesn't view himself as abusive. And really he is a nice guy in almost every other way. But he insults. He demeans.
I actually cuss in an attempt to keep him off my back because he will not 'get it'. But, as sin goes, that only makes me look like the villian, with nails and glue holding it together to be sure of it. But I have no other defense. Because of the relationship, as in my being family, he blindly takes for granted that he has 'rights', and they are absolute. And he has no concept of respect. Just authority!
And I will tell you, mom suffered because of his blindness. But he doesn't see it. He thinks he is a good guy. But there aren't any good guys in heaven. "For they that are well need not a physician." HE came to seek and to save they which are lost.
And we notice that the Beattitudes are about defective people. Blessed are ye if ye are defective, and are not good people!!! Amen! I am on of those. (But churches are full of 'good' people who think they belong there because they are. They, as my dad, just do not get it.)
There is so much I could say. Auugggg!
But if you are in traffic, and you are tested, and you fail, you weren't trusting God in your heart. And what does scripture say?
Eph 5:20 "Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;"
1Th 5:18 "In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you."
If you are really trusting, give thanks in all things, even the sorely trying things; especially in the trying things. These things are not by accident:
1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
Really. If you are letting HIM have the whole control, then it is in the 'fiery' things wherein HE manifests HIMself through you. It is where HIS GRACE is revealed. It is where HE is revealed to, and through you. It is where, most likely, HE is willing to reveal HIMself to someone else. That is when and where HE is glorified.
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Do you still curse? And what sort of things make you curse?
Now, I know that Found in Him and Carol Swenson probably don't curse anymore, but ...
Yesterday I cursed twice in the car, once when I was already 3 blocks from the house in my car and realized that I had left my cell phone at home and went back for it...
And I cursed a secondn time later yesterday when I had bought 4 expreso coffees in a "grande" cup which I then filled with half&half milk to the top. I put it in a holder cup on the floor of my cup but pulled off way too macho and five minutes later I smelled coffee and looked down and saw that the "grande" cup was laying almost on its side and it was 75% percent empty. That made me curse the second time.
Now, the difference between being saved and not saved is that when I was NOT saved I also cursed about the same things, but now that I am saved I tell the Lord that I'm sorry afterwards, which I never did BEFORE I was saved.
But Found in Him and Carol Swenson probably don't have to tell the Lord that they are sorry very often ...
So, do you still curse? And what kind of things make you curse?
love, Eden
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