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As for Stam saying "some suppose that Paul did not teach the new birth" I would suppose means that it was a brand new thing and quite hard to understand or believe.
Remember when Paul returned or wrote back to different churches saying "I do not want you to be ignorant about...." ?
Regardless, Paul got the message out. If Stam means now some don't believe Paul taught new birth, then they just don't know what they are talking about. Right?
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Originally posted by Eden:
Cornelius Stam wrote, as posted by WildB, quote:
Some suppose that Paul did not teach the new birth, but they are wrong.
Who are these "some" who "suppose that Paul did not teach the new birth?" In all my years of being a Christian, I have NEVER heard anyone assert that Paul did not teach the new birth.
Indeed, Paul "abounded" in the teaching of the new birth, and that Cornelius Stam could assert that "some suppose that Paul did not teach the new birth", seems to me very surprising and unlikely. That statement is probably nonsense.
love, Eden
What is nonsense is for one to think they have herd it all based on their fleshly seniority.
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Cornelius Stam wrote, as posted by WildB, quote:
Some suppose that Paul did not teach the new birth, but they are wrong.
Who are these "some" who "suppose that Paul did not teach the new birth?" In all my years of being a Christian, I have NEVER heard anyone assert that Paul did not teach the new birth.
Indeed, Paul "abounded" in the teaching of the new birth, and that Cornelius Stam could assert that "some suppose that Paul did not teach the new birth", seems to me very surprising and unlikely. That statement is probably nonsense.
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In regeneration we are made partakers of the divine nature
Love this quote ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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The gift of God dwells within,
To this love I now give in.
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The Nature of Regeneration
What is this new birth? It is a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17); the workmanship of God (Eph. 2:10). It is the germ of a new existence; the dawn of a new life. At regeneration a new nature is implanted (2 Peter 1:4); a new man is formed in the image of God (Eph. 4:24, with Col. 3:10). It is not the old improved, but the new begotten , leaving the born-again one a complex being, possessed of two natures , perfectly distinct, and entirely different in origin and character. The result of this is incessant conflict (Gal. 5:17).
It is of the utmost importance to understand what regeneration really is. By some it is understood to mean a change of creed, with others a change of conduct, but in Scripture it means a re-creation, a heavenly birth, the beginning of a new life . In nature the sinner is "alienated from the life of God" (Eph. 4:18); he is "dead in trespasses and sins" (Eph. 2:1). At regeneration the believer becomes a possessor of Divine life, a partaker of the Divine nature (2 Pet. 1:4). The old is still there, but sin is no longer the law of his being. He is able to say, "I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me" (Gal. 2:20). Christ becomes the object of his soul; he is able henceforth to say, "For to me to live is Christ." The flesh is not eradicated, it is not changed, but it no longer reigns . Like Nebuchadnezzar, who was deposed from his throne and driven from his palace, but was yet permitted to live within the borders of that land over which he once held sway, so the flesh is in the believer, but not in dominion over him.
http://www.wholesomewords.org/etexts/ritchie/regener.html
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WildB MentorsRiddle
Regeneration is the impartation of a new and divine life; a new creation; the production of a new thing. It is Gen. 1:26 over again. It is not the old nature altered, reformed, or re-invigorated, but a new birth from above . This is the teaching of such passages as John 3:3-7; 5:21; Eph. 2:1, 10; 2 Cor. 5:17.
By nature man is dead in sin (Eph. 2:1); the new birth imparts to him new life— the life of God , so that henceforth he is as those that are alive from the dead; he has passed out of death into life (John 5:24).
In regeneration we are made partakers of the divine nature (2 Pet. 1:4). We have put on the new man, which after God is created in holiness and righteousness (Eph. 4:24; Col. 3:10). Christ now lives in the believer (Gal. 2:20). God’s seed now abides in him (1 John 3:9). So that henceforth the believer is possessed of two natures (Gal. 5:17).
A new governing power comes into the regenerate man’s life by which he is enabled to become holy in experience: “Old things are passed away; behold all things are become new” (2 Cor. 5:17). See also Acts 16:14, and Ezek. 36:25-27; 1 John 3:6-9.
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The dying of the flesh is always a good example of the spirit being stronger than the earthly things.
Great post
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With you I rise,
In you I sleep,
kneeling down I kiss your feet,
Grace abounds upon me now,
I once was lost
but now I'm found.
The gift of God dwells within,
To this love I now give in.
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by Cornelius R. Stam
St. Peter declares that to obtain eternal life we must be born again, since by nature we were born but to die.
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth forever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth and the flower thereof falleth away. But the Word of the Lord endureth forever, and this is the Word which by the gospel is preached unto you" (I Pet. 1 :23-25).
Our Lord emphasized this same fact to the Pharisee Nicodemus. "That which is born of the flesh," He said, "is flesh... Marvel not that I said unto thee, ye must be born again" (John 3:6,7).
Nicodemus was devoutly religious, and he even recognized Christ as "a teacher come from God" (John 3:2). But he was not saved. He had not been "born of the Spirit," and "that which is born of the flesh is flesh," even though it is "religious flesh." Therefore it must die. Nicodemus, like many sincerely religious people today, needed to be born again -- of the Spirit, by faith in the Word, of which the Spirit is the Author.
Some suppose that Paul did not teach the new birth, but they are wrong. He taught it consistently, and nowhere more clearly than in Titus 3:5, where he wrote by divine inspiration:
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, by the washing of regeneration [re-birth] and renewing of the Holy Spirit."
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