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Dear Eden
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I just learned from a book, The Jews in our time, by Norman Bentwich (an authority on Jewish history), Penguin books, 1960, that the war against Jerusalem by Roman General Vespasian and by his son Titus was known to the Jews as The Seven Years War, from 66 A.D. to 73 A.D.

This is very important because that fits exactly the prediction and description given in Daniel 9:26-27:

Daniel 9
26 And after 62 weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself; and the people of the prince who shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that which is determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I had know for some time about the war lasting from 66 A.D. to 70 A.D., and I had for some time speculated that the war had actually lasted until 73 A.D. to make for an entire week of war, as foretold by Daniel 9:27 above.

And so this weekend I was reading in Norman Bentwich's book, The Jews in our time, that it was called The Seven Years war and that this war lasted from 66 A.D. to 73 A.D., just as I had thought.

And that fits perfectly with what Daniel 9:27 had said:

Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that which is determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The "middle of the week" would have been "the middle of The Seven Years war, or 70 A.D. when the sacrifice and the oblation stopped.

And then from 70 A.D. to 73 A.D., he made it desolate, meaning it took 3 years to throw the stones down, as Jesus had predicted would happen:

Mark 13:2
Then Jesus said to him, Do yo see these great buildings? There shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

By 70 A.D. Titus's army penetrated into Jerusalem and they stopped the sacrifice and oblation by the Jews, and then it took Titus's army until 73 A.D. to throw the stones down, to, as Daniel 9:27 put it:

Daniel 9
27 ... for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate even until the consummation, and that which is determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

It was called, The Seven Years War, from 66 A.D. to 73 A.D.

with love, Eden
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The seventy “weeks” (Dan. 9:24)

The word “weeks” means “sevens,” so Gabriel was speaking about seventy periods of 7 years, or 490 years. Keep in mind that these years relate specifically to Daniel’s people, the Jews, and their holy city, Jerusalem. In his prayer, Daniel’s great concern was that his people be forgiven their sins against the Lord, the city be rebuilt, and the temple be restored (Dan. 9:16); and these are the matters that Gabriel will discuss. To apply this important prophecy to any other people or place is to rob it of its intended meaning.

Gabriel explained that during those 490 years, the Lord would accomplish six specific purposes for the Jewish people. The first three have to do with sin and the last three with righteousness. The Lord would “finish the transgression,” that is, the transgression of the Jewish people, and “make an end of” Israel’s national sins. This was one of the main burdens of Daniel’s prayer. Israel was a scattered suffering nation because she was a sinful nation. How would the Lord accomplish this? By making “reconciliation for iniquity,” that is, by offering a sacrifice that would atone for their sin. Here we come to the cross of Jesus Christ, Israel’s Messiah.

When Jesus died on the cross, He died for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2; John 1:29), and therefore we can proclaim the good news of the Gospel to sinners everywhere. But He also died for the church (Eph. 5:25) and for the people of Israel. “For the transgression of my people was he stricken” (Isa. 53:8). Jesus died for sinners in every tribe and nation (Rev. 5:9; 7:9), but in a very special way, He died for His own people, the Jewish nation (John 11:44-52).

The last three divine purposes focus on righteousness and the future kingdom of Messiah. When Jesus returns, He will establish His righteous kingdom (Jer. 23:5-6; 31:31-34) and rule in righteousness (Isa. 4:2-6). In that day, the Old Testament prophecies of Israel’s glorious kingdom will be fulfilled, and there will be no need for visions or prophets. “To anoint the most holy” refers to the sanctifying of the future temple that is described in Ezekiel 40–48.

These six purposes declare the answers to Daniel’s prayer! Ultimately, Israel’s sins will be forgiven (Zech. 12:10–13:1), the city of Jerusalem will be rebuilt, and the temple and its ministry will be restored, all because of the atoning death of Jesus Christ on the cross. All of these wonderful accomplishments will be fulfilled during the 490 years that Gabriel goes on to explain. He divides the seven sevens—490 years—into three significant periods: 49 years, 434 years and 7 years.9-4


Period #1–49 years (Dan. 9:25)

During this period, the Jews will rebuild the city of Jerusalem in troubled times. The key issue here is the date of the decree. This is not the decree of Cyrus in 538 permitting the Jews to return to their land and rebuild their temple (Ezra 1; Isa. 44:28), because the emphasis of this decree is on the city of Jerusalem. While some students opt for the decree of Artaxerxes in 457, sending Ezra to Jerusalem (Ezra 7:12-26), that decree also emphasized the temple and its ministry. The decree of Daniel 9:25 is probably that of Artaxerxes in 445 authorizing Nehemiah to go to Jerusalem to rebuild the walls and restore the gates (Neh. 2:5-8).


Period #2–483 years (Dan. 9:26)

Gabriel affirmed that 483 years are involved from the giving of the decree to the coming of “the Anointed One, the ruler” (7 x 7 = 49; 7 x 62 = 434; total = 483). When you count 483 solar years from the year 445, you end up with a.d. 29/30, which brings us to the time of Christ’s ministry on earth.9-5 But this Anointed One, the Christ, will not be permitted to rule; for His people cried out, “We have no king but Caesar” (John 19:15). “We will not have this man to reign over us” (Luke 19:14). The Messiah will be “cut off, but not for himself” (“and will have nothing,” niv). This speaks of His rejection by the Jewish nation (John 1:11; Luke 13:33-35) and His crucifixion as a criminal, turned over to the Roman authorities by His own people and one of His own disciples. But He died for the sins of the world, including the sins of the Jewish nation.

We know that Jesus arose from the dead and returned to heaven. He sent the Holy Spirit to empower His people to bear witness to the whole world (Acts 1:8), beginning in Jerusalem (Luke 24:46-53). But the same nation that allowed John the Baptist to be slain and asked for Jesus to be crucified went on to persecute the church and themselves kill Stephen (Acts 7). In a.d. 70, the prophecy in Daniel 9:26 was fulfilled when the Roman armies destroyed Jerusalem and the temple, and the Jewish nation was scattered. The Romans are “the people of the prince that shall come,” and that prince is the future Antichrist that Daniel described as “the little horn” and the blasphemous king (7:8, 24-25; 8:23-27). This takes us to the third period.


Period #3–7 years (Dan. 9:27)

The pronoun “he” refers to “the prince that shall come” (v. 26), this is, the Antichrist.9-6 We are now in the final seven years of the prophetic calendar that Gabriel gave Daniel, the period that we know as “the Tribulation” or “the day of the Lord.” While the world has always known wars and desolations (Matt. 24:3-24), the end of the age will introduce a time of terrible suffering that will climax with the return of Jesus Christ (Rev. 6–19; Matt. 24:15-35).

The event that triggers this last seven-year period is the signing of a covenant between the Antichrist and the Jewish nation. At this time, the Antichrist is a key political figure in Europe—one of the ten toes of the image in Daniel 2, and the “little horn” who emerges from the ten horns in 7:8, 24ff—and he has the authority and ability to end the “Middle East problem.” He covenants to protect the Jews from their enemies, probably so they can build their temple and restore their sacrifices. The spiritually blind Jewish leaders, ignorant of their own Scriptures, will gladly enter into the covenant. “I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me,” Jesus told the Jewish leaders of His day; “if another comes in his own name, him you will receive” (John 5:43, nkjv).

After three and a half years, the Antichrist will break the covenant, seize the temple, and put his own image there, and will force the world to worship him (2 Thes. 2; Rev. 13). This is the “abomination of desolation” (Dan. 11:31; 12:11, nkjv) that Jesus spoke about that marks the midpoint of the Tribulation period (Matt. 24:15; Mark 13:14). The “man of sin” and “son of perdition” (2 Thes. 2:3) who up till now has deceived the world by playing a shrewd political game will now reveal himself as a tool of Satan and a cruel world dictator. Christ will defeat him when He returns to establish His kingdom (Rev. 19:11-21).

The strange “parenthesis.” Whether Daniel understood all that he heard is not revealed to us, but Gabriel’s message assured him that the nation of Israel would be restored to their land, the city of Jerusalem and the temple would be rebuilt, and God would make provision for the cleansing of the nation. But Gabriel didn’t tell Daniel what would happen between the sixty-ninth and the seventieth “weeks.” Between Daniel 9:26-27 there is a strange parenthesis. Why?

Because this prophecy has to do with the Jews, the Jewish temple, and the city of Jerusalem (v. 24). But the period of time between the sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks has to do with the church, the body of Christ, which was a mystery God had hidden in Old Testament times and didn’t reveal until the time of Christ and the apostles (Eph. 3:1-13).9-7 Daniel wasn’t told that the rejection and death of the Messiah would bring about a new thing, a spiritual body that would include Jews and Gentiles and in which all natural differences would be unimportant (Eph. 2:11-22; Gal. 3:22-29). One reason the Jewish legalists opposed Paul was because he put Jews and Gentiles on the same level in the church, and the traditionalists wanted to maintain the “superiority” of the Jews as revealed in the law and the kingdom prophecies.

Some of the prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27 has already been fulfilled, and the rest will be fulfilled in the end times. We are today living in the age of the church, when Israel has been partially blinded and temporarily set aside (Rom. 9–11). Like Paul, we must have a heart concern for the Jewish people, pray for them, and seek to share the Gospel with them. Gentile believers have a debt to the people of Israel (Rom. 15:24-27) because they gave us the knowledge of the true and living God, the inspired written Scriptures, and the Savior, Jesus Christ.

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The pre-trib rapture hypothesis has as its foundation that only 1 week is still unfilled of the 70 weeks, but the Bible clearly says that Jesus was cut off after 62 weeks, so that 70 weeks minus 62 weeks, are 8 weeks still unused, from the death of Jesus on the cross.

The pre-trib rapture hypothesis has conjecured that the 7 weeks and the 62 weeks (the so-called 69 weeks) are already fulfilled by the time Jesus died, but THAT IS NOT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS:

Daniel 9
26 And after 62 weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

That leaves 8 weeks still unused after the Messiah died on the cross, not just 1 week which the pre-trib rapture hypothesis proposes is still left of the 70 weeks.

And this pokes a huge hole in the tenet of 1 week lasting almost 2,000 years" pre-trib rapture hypothesis.

Instead, there were 8 weeks or 8 x 7 weeks of years = 56 years left in Judah after the 62 weeks when Jesus died.

And to transport that to our time, it was in 1967 when the Jews regained Jerusalem which had been trodden down of the Gentiles since Chaldean Babylon, so 1967 plus 56 years = 2023, just 15 years from now. And given all the sudden turmoil in the world, 2023 is not an unrealistic year for the end of those 8 weeks still left undone.

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The "pre-trib" rapture is not a hypothesis.

PROPHECY AND THE MYSTERY


THE MOST IMPORTANT DIVISION
OF THE BIBLE


The supposition that the most important division of the Bible is that between the Old and New Testaments has often been expressed in the statement: "The Old Testament is for the Jews; the New Testament is for us."

This is quite incorrect, however. First of all, the titles Old Testament and New Testament are not accurate designations of the two sections of the Bible which they are supposed to represent.

The covenant of the law (later called the old covenant, or testament) was not made until 2500 years of human history had elapsed. "The law was given by Moses" (John 1:17), about 1500 B.C., as recorded in Exodus 19 and 20. We are told concerning this period of time "from Adam to Moses" that "there [was] no law" (Rom. 5:13,14), i.e., the law had not yet been given.

This means that there is actually not one word of the Old Testament in Genesis. Indeed, Israel did not even emerge as a nation until her deliverance from Egypt described in Exodus. If, therefore, the Old Testament is for the Jews and the New Testament for us, for whom is the book of Genesis?

As to the new covenant; this was not made until the death of Christ.

He is the Mediator of the new testament [covenant] that by means of death . . . they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance" (Heb. 9:15).

It was in the shadow of the cross, as our Lord communed with His disciples, that He said:

"This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you" (Luke 22:20).

This means that the greater part of the four gospel records actually covers old testament rather than new testament history and that our Lord and His disciples all lived under the old covenant at that time.1

It should be noted too that both the actual old and new testaments, though they affect us, were made with the nation Israel, and that the new covenant simply promises that Israel will one day render spontaneously the obedience required of her under the old covenant. (Deut. 5:1-3, Jer. 31:31).

The most important division in the Bible, then, is not that between the so-called Old and New Testaments.

The most important division in the Bible is that between prophecy and the great mystery proclaimed by the Apostle Paul.

It is a striking fact that the very opening words of the Bible read: "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." It does not say that He created the universe, but the heaven and the earth. This is because He had a purpose concerning the earth quite distinct from His purpose concerning heaven. His purpose concerning the earth and Christ's reign upon it is the subject of prophecy (II Pet. 1:16-19). His purpose concerning heaven and our exaltation there with Christ is the subject of "the mystery" (Eph. 2:4-10, 3:1-4). Into these two great subjects the Bible is basically divided.2

Concerning the kingdom on earth Zacharias said:

"Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for He hath visited and redeemed His people,

"And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of His servant David;

"AS HE SPAKE BY THE MOUTH OF HIS HOLY PROPHETS, WHICH HAVE BEEN SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN" (Luke 1:68-70).

Again at Pentecost, Peter, speaking of the absence of Christ and of the signs of His return, said:

"Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, WHICH GOD HATH SPOKEN BY THE MOUTH OF ALL HIS HOLY PROPHETS SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN."

"YEA, AND ALL THE PROPHETS FROM SAMUEL AND THOSE THAT FOLLOW AFTER, AS MANY AS HAVE SPOKEN, HAVE LIKEWISE FORETOLD OF THESE DAYS" (Acts 3:21,24).

But concerning the body of Christ, with its heavenly calling and position, not one word is to be found in the pages of prophecy. Indeed, God kept this great purpose a secret until He was ready to bring the body itself into being, and then He revealed it first to the Apostle Paul. The apostle says of this great purpose, that it was:

"KEPT SECRET SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN" (Rom. 16:2.5).

"A MYSTERY . . . ORDAINED BEFORE THE WORLD UNTO OUR GLORY" (I Cor. 2:7).

"IN OTHER AGES... NOT MADE KNOWN" (Eph. 3:5).

"FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD HID IN GOD" (Eph. 3:9).

"HID FROM AGES AND FROM GENERATIONS" (Col. 1:26).

Manifestly there is a great difference between that which was "spoken by the mouth of all [God's] holy prophets since the world began" and that which was "kept secret since the world began."

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Let's look at Daniel 9 which contains these 70 weeks that form the basis of the "pre-trib" rapture hypothesis.

Daniel 9
24 70 weeks are determined upon your people and upon your holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be 7 weeks, and 62 weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after 62 weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Okay, let's look at these verses again individually.

Daniel 9
24 70 weeks are determined upon your people and upon your holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

There were 70 weeks determined upon Daniel's people, upon the Jews of Judah. And during these 70 weeks the following things had to happen:

1. to finish the transgression = to bring an end to the transgression of Israel which had mis-administered the kingdom of God on earth. God sent Jesus to take away the kingdom of God from Israel and "to give it to a nation that will bring forth the fruit thereof" (which is, for now, the church):

Matthew 21:43
Therefore say I to you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

But while the temple of the LORD was still standing at Jerusalem, the work of finishing the transgression was not entirely finished. The LORD caused Roman General Titus to finish that task in 70 A.D.:

Hebrews 9:8
The Holy Spirit signifying this, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while the first tabernacle was yet standing.

2. to make an end of sins = Jesus made an end of sins by dying on the cross for us and rising again to now rule the church or kingdom of God Himself, by ruling for over the church from heaven thru the Holy Spirit. Jesus has already made an end of sins.

3. and to make reconciliation for iniquity = Jesus has already made reconciliation for iniquity by suffering and dying on the cross for us.

4. and to bring in everlasting righteousness = Jesus also brought in everlasting righteousness in the New Covenant.

5. and to seal up the vision and prophecy = with the New Covenant put in place by Jesus, there would be no more new vision and prophecy added to the Old Covenant.

Matthew 11:13
For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

6. and to anoint the most Holy = Jesus did that when He rose from the dead and carried His bloody wounds as evidence up to heaven and He anointed the Holy Place:

Hebrews 9:12
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by His own blood He entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Thus Jesus finished all the things that were mentioned in Daniel 9:24.

Let’s go to the next verse:

Daniel 9
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Messiah the Prince shall be 7 weeks, and 62 weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after 62 weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Okay, notice that the Messiah will be cut off after 62 weeks. The Bible phrase “be cut off” means “to die”, so Jesus will die after 62 weeks.

So that means that by the time Jesus dies on the cross, only 62 weeks have passed since the commandment to restore Jerusalem was given.

It is important that Jesus dies after 62 weeks because that means that the 7 weeks which are mentioned before the 62 weeks in Daniel 9:25 have not been used yet:

Daniel 9
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Messiah the Prince shall be 7 weeks, and 62 weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after 62 weeks shall Messiah be cut off,

So also the 70th week has not been used yet, so 8 weeks still have not been used in this 70 week process which was appointed to “your people” and “to your holy city”.

Scholars think that Jesus was born in about 4 B.C., and Jesus began His ministry when He was 30 years old:

Luke 3
22 And the Holy Spirit descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.

23 And Jesus Himself began to be about 30 years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli…

So when Jesus was 30 years old, it was the year 26 A.D. Then Jesus’s ministry lasted 3½ years, so that Jesus died in the year 29 A.D. And in 70 A.D. the temple was destroyed and the Holy Place was defiled by the Romans.

So if 1 week or 7 days meant 7 years in this prophecy of Daniel 9, then the 8 weeks that have not been used up would equal 56 years, which would have to be added to 30 A.D. when Jesus died, and reaches 85 A.D.

That is, from about 30 A.D., the first 5 weeks of the 8 remaining weeks, or 5 x 7 years or 35 years were added to 30 A.D., making it 65-66 A.D.

Then the 6th week was the week that went from 66 A.D. to 73 A.D., and then the 7th and 8th week of years were used to "throw the stones down of the great buildings of Jerusalem, and the desolation was complete or consummated.

Matthew 24:2
And Jesus said to them, Do you not see all these things? I say to you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

So it is very possible, and indeed very likely, that the LORD foretold in Daniel 9 that these 70 weeks that were appointed unto “your people” and unto “your holy city” would take until 85 A.D.:

Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Who is this he? It is the prince who shall come from Daniel 9:26:

26 And after 62 weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and to the end of the war desolations are determined.

This "he" is none other than Roman General Titus, the son of Emperor Vespasian, who destroyed the city and the sanctuary, and to the end of the war desolations were determined.

In the Bible the word desolation is almost always the same as no more inhabitants. The Gentile Romans desecrated the Holy Place and the Most Holy Place by walking around there with their military banners, and (I’ve heard say) that the Romans also sacrificed a pig there at that time.

Daniel 11:31
And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that makes desolate.

The Gentiles defiled the sanctuary so the Jews could no longer go in there (and besides, the temple was now being thrown down), and this abomination which makes desolate is what Daniel referred to as the abomination of desolation:

Mark 13:14
But when you shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him who reads understand), then let them who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Now, when Jesus spoke Mark 13:14, He said “let him who reads understand”, and Jesus was speaking to the people of Judah, because the church was just starting, and so the Jews were the ones who were reading Daniel and who were “expected to understand what they had read” when they “saw this abomination of desolation standing where it ought not”, as Daniel the prophet had said.

But Mark 13:14 also adds that “when they see this, let them who see this flee to the mountains. So which mountains are these? They were the mountains east of the Jordan.

Now, I believe that what happened to Israel is a “live play” that God staged in the earth, by having Israel act out all the things that will happen to the world just before Jesus comes bacl in the Second Coming. In other words, what happened to Israel-Judah is a microcosmic “live play” of the macrocosmic "live-play" that will happen to the world just before Jesus comes back.

Like Titus, the AntiChrist will stand in the holy place where he ought not:

Psalm 48:2
Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

Isaiah 14:13
For you have said in your heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

4 Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

5 Do you not remember that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

The Bible also adds that at one point “Jerusalem would no longer be trodden down of the Gentiles”:

Luke 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and they shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

In 1967, Jerusalem was no longer trodden down of the Gentiles when the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) took Old Jerusalem back.

So if the last 8 weeks in Israel-Judah represented 8 x 7 years = 56 years, in the endtime world "live play" these 56 years could be added to the year 1967 when “Jerusalem was no longer trodden down of the Gentiles”.

And so we reach 1967 + 56 years = 2023when all the stones of the world would be thrown down by Jesus at His Second Coming.

love, Eden

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