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There's more to it than just being a vessel. Using the coffee cup analogy, how is that cup filled then?

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We have to go to the Lord daily to be filled. The more we seek Him, the more anointing that if poured into our cups. The fuller we become. If I start feeling empty, tired and weary, I go before the Lord and He fills me up again. He refreshes my cup so that it will over flow.

As I go throughout my day, I'm pouring out the contents of my cup. By the end of the day, it's empty or maybe half full. So, I need to once again, go before the Lord and be filled up again. The more I seek Him, the less empty I find my cup.

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I have said it before, and it is wonderfully confusing: You do not 'do' what you have. What you have is 'done'! He did it on the Cross, and is presently 'doing' it even as we trust. Our 'doing' does not accomplish it. It does however 'recognize' it. That is called 'following' as opposed to thinking that whatever we do merits favor, or action, or HIS activity, or benefit. Thank you! I am excited too! We don't 'work' for what we have. We walk in it, if we will bless Him. By this we know that we are the sons of God, in that we are led of the Spirit.

But the point is that we do not 'cause' anything. That would be glory stealing.

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We haev His ENTIRE Life Living in us Michael.
Past, present and future, for Jesus is the Eternal Life of God!

Romans 8:32
He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Don't fail to see Jesus in Eden, you are missing a WONDERFUL BLESSING!

2 Corinthians 10:2
But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.

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Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

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There's more to it than just being a vessel. Using the coffee cup analogy, how is that cup filled then?

We have to go to the Lord daily to be filled. The more we seek Him, the more anointing that if poured into our cups. The fuller we become. If I start feeling empty, tired and weary, I go before the Lord and He fills me up again. He refreshes my cup so that it will over flow.

As I go throughout my day, I'm pouring out the contents of my cup. By the end of the day, it's empty or maybe half full. So, I need to once again, go before the Lord and be filled up again. The more I seek Him, the less empty I find my cup.

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• 2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

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You do not 'do' what you have. What you have is 'done'! He did it on the Cross, and is presently 'doing' it even as we trust.

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• Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

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God has provided the written Word of God for us and prayer and listening to the Holy Spirit, as tools for our sanctification. The notion that "it is all God Who does the doing" in sanctification, is wrong; if we do not regularly read the Word of God and if we do not pray and do not listen to the Holy Spirit, God can talk all He wants but "ain't nobody gonna get sanctified".

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• Luk 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

But they don't accomplish, by this, what HE has done and is doing.

Now, when one knows what it means to (1Th 5:17) "Pray without ceasing," then they know and understand sanctification. For it is a life of praying, literally without ceasing, which cannot be accomplished without "Walking in the Spirit." If one believes not this, try to "Pray without ceasing for a few hours. For that matter, try it even for an hour.




So if one wants something to 'do', they should keep it simple and:

• 1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

• 1Co 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

• 1Co 3:12 "build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;"

• 1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

• Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

• Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

• 1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

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Don't you know that my life with God's counsel has resulted in EVEN MORE DOING than I was doing before I was saved, and I am EVEN MORE ACTIVE now than I was before?

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Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Yet, it is HIS SPIRIT that does the work as we trust, rest and abide, recieving the Salvation of our SOULS..

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Don't you know that my life with God's counsel has resulted in EVEN MORE DOING than I was doing before I was saved, and I am EVEN MORE ACTIVE now than I was before?

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Exactly! That is the problem. You are active, and He is dormant.1

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The truth is that the things that one does to accomplish sanctification only defeats it, because one is trying to help God, and God doesn't need help.

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p166 The Spiritual Man
Most soulish believers assume an attitude of self-righteousness, though often it is scarcely detectable. They hold tenaciously to their minute opinions. It is doubtless correct to hold fast the basic and essential doctrines of the Bible, but certainly we can afford to grant others latitude on minor points. We may have the conviction that what we believe is absolutely right, yet for us to swallow a camel but also to strain out a gnat is not at all pleasing to the Lord. We ought to lay aside the small differences and pursue the common objective.

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Walk on walk on...I have did my job to keep your blood off my head.

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Yep.. Works..

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quote from Eden: immersion in Christ-related things, that I think is the key, that is...baptism onto sanctification. immersion in all things Christian is like baptism.

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This quote is the sum of Eden's thinking from some ongoing conversation. It reflects some conclusions that Eden has come to in the course of discussing these things. It typifies some things that are widely believed, but not so, which is why I loved to put it in quotes because it is about what one 'does' (not) to go deeper in Christ. I am not making light of Eden. So many people think this way.

When I read it it reminds me of doing things like going to church, and cell meetings. I think of going to the Christian bookstore and reading a Christian book like, "The purple pilled strife reducer." I think of getting together with Christian friends. But even if it means praying more, reading the bible more, fasting, or even preaching to someone, even these things will not accomplish the life that IS Christ, as much as they do shew a pattern of "will worship."

Thinking about it, baptism into sanctification may not be that far off, but not as related by the thinking shown forth here.

The truth is that the things that one does to accomplish sanctification only defeats it, because one is trying to help God, and God doesn't need help. I know it is all well meaning, but it is mislead. And one has to come to the realization before they will finally surrender. But what happens is that someone will exaust a lifetime trying, before they will come to a knowledge of the truth, if they ever do.

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immersion in Christ-related things, that I think is the key, that is...baptism onto sanctification. immersion in all things Christian is like baptism.

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This quote is the sum of e's thinking from some ongoing conversation. It reflects some conclusions that e has come to in the course of discussing these things. It typifies some things that are widely believed, but not so, which is why I loved to put it in quotes because it is about what one 'does' (not) to go deeper in Christ. I am not making light of e. So many people think this way.

When I read it it reminds me of doing things like going to church, and cell meetings. I think of going to the Christian bookstore and reading a Christian book like, "The purple pilled strife reducer." ( ) I think of getting together with Christian friends. But even if it means praying more, reading the bible more, fasting, or even preaching to someone, even these things will not accomplish the life that IS Christ, as much as they do shew a pattern of "will worship."

Thinking about it, baptism into sanctification may not be that far off, but not as related by the thinking shown forth here.

The truth is that the things that one does to accomplish sanctification only defeats it, because one is trying to help God, and God doesn't need help. I know it is all well meaning, but it is mislead. And one has to come to the realization before they will finally surrender. But what happens is that someone will exaust a lifetime trying, before they will come to a knowledge of the truth, if they ever do.

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Have you changed your stance to faith by works?

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[4] And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
[5] To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

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There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

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And this from a brother who proclaims Eternal Salvation to whosoever would believe?

No condemnation PERIOD!

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Before we can go on, even though we have accepted God's invitation to us, repented, and have come back to Him, before we can grow in Christ, we have to understand and believe with all of our heart that we are completely accepted before Him. Do we feel He has accepted us?

He wants us to understand that we are accepted. He wants us to have the confidence that He is with us, that He loves us, that He is concerned about us, that He wants us to be part of His family. He wants us to be in His Kingdom. He wants us to grow. We are accepted before Him.

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Believers may be chastened of the Lord, but will not be condemned with the world. By their union with Christ through faith, they are thus secured. What is the principle of their walk; the flesh or the Spirit, the old or the new nature, corruption or grace? For which of these do we make provision, by which are we governed? The unrenewed will is unable to keep any commandment fully. And the law, besides outward duties, requires inward obedience. God showed abhorrence of sin by the sufferings of his Son in the flesh, that the believer's person might be pardoned and justified. Thus satisfaction was made to Divine justice, and the way of salvation opened for the sinner. By the Spirit the law of love is written upon the heart, and though the righteousness of the law is not fulfilled by us, yet, blessed be God, it is fulfilled in us; there is that in all true believers, which answers the intention of the law. The favour of God, the welfare of the soul, the concerns of eternity, are the things of the Spirit, which those that are after the Spirit do mind. Which way do our thoughts move with most pleasure? Which way go our plans and contrivances? Are we most wise for the world, or for our souls? Those that live in pleasure are dead, 1 Timothy 5:6. A sanctified soul is a living soul; and that life is peace. The carnal mind is not only an enemy to God, but enmity itself. The carnal man may, by the power of Divine grace, be made subject to the law of God, but the carnal mind never can; that must be broken and driven out. We may know our real state and character by inquiring whether we have the Spirit of God and Christ, or not, ver. 9. Ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit. Having the Spirit of Christ, means having a turn of mind in some degree like the mind that was in Christ Jesus, and is to be shown by a life and conversation suitable to his precepts and example.

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These first 11 verses are key to understanding the Christian life; they answer the dilemma Paul expresses in chapter 7. Many Believers don't get it; they believe that Believers only do the right thing as they are held into accountability by other Believers. These misguided Believers beat each other over the head with external requirements - a man-made prescribed list of authorized "thou shalts" and "thou shalt nots." Paul is clear in the chapters leading up to this one: Righteousness is not attained by keeping the law - the Mosaic law or a law devised by anyone else. Righteousness is achieved by trusting Christ as Savior, and a righteous-looking walk is achieved by dependence on the leadership of the Holy Spirit. That's the point of verse 1 here which serves as an introduction to the whole chapter. Verse 2 further expands the concept by pointing out that our law as Believers is internal - not external; it's the internal law of the Holy Spirit, not the external law from anyone else that keeps us living before God as we should. As a matter of fact, verses 3 and 4 point out that an attempt to achieve righteousness by keeping the law fails every time, but righteousness through the power of the Holy Spirit succeeds every time.

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[4] And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
[5] To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

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Turn loose! Trust Jesus! Hear and obey, for there is no other way, to be happy in Jesus, let Him have the way.

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So would you say that you are HAPPY in Jesus, or what adjective would you use for how it is going with you and God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit? Happy, Happy, Happy, or... ?

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• Gal 3:3 Are ye - so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

• Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

• Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith[meaning, you believe that you have], the same are the children of Abraham.

• Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

• Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace.
  
  But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise, work is no more work.

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