Home / Christian Website Hosting / Christian Domain Names / Christian Search Engine
Rules, Policies, and Disclaimers

Christian Message Boards


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile | directory login | register | search | faq | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Christian Message Boards   » Bible Studies   » Bible Topics & Study   » I recently tried out a Christian site where...

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: I recently tried out a Christian site where...
Kwistina
Advanced Member
Member # 6618

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Kwistina     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Eden, No doubt you reached a far right version of the seventh day adventist!! Oi! . . . many Christians would say they are still within the Christian realm, and not, therefore, a cult, but I disagree for no other reason than becuase they latch so tightly to the old testament!

You know what I find funny about all this? If they really are that adamant about the name of our Holy Lord, why do they not learn Hebrew so that is is truly HIS name, and not just our transliteration of it? Why not, while they are at it (them and the KJV only sect), just convert to strictly Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic scriptures so as to be perfectly accurate.

Stuff and nonsense! . . . no wonder people look at Christians so odd . . . we make dungheaps from mudspots and dustspecks from trashheaps . . . or something along those lines

Posts: 38 | From: Kansas City | Registered: Jun 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Eden
unregistered


Icon 5 posted            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
becauseHElives said, "Eden, would you mind providing a link to the site in question, I would like to check it out for myself.". I already mentioned it at the top of the Topic, but its name is www.eliyah.com. If nothing else, the site has an excellent free electronic Strong's Concordance and Lexicon.

I know you like to use the sacred names, as I also do, so join the Discussion Forum and let us know what you think of it.

I ended up calling the site a cult, much to the protestation of one particular member Missy. What I object to on the site that believing in using the sacred names and keeping the feast days and following the dietary laws (ie., more than the decalogue or ten commandments) was practically mandatory.

As long as things remain voluntary, then I am willing to see what, if anything, is true about it or not, and worth adopting, or not. Everything should always be voluntary in religion, in my opinion. And that site was not voluntary, is was mandatory and that made it into a cult, in my opinion. But please report back and let us know what you think.

But as I said, the site does have an excellent free electronic Strong's Concordance and Lexicon.

with love, Eden

IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Eden
unregistered


Icon 5 posted            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
becauseHElives said, "Eden, would you mind providing a link to the site in question, I would like to check it out for myself.". I already mentioned it at the top of the Topic, but its name is www.eliyah.com. If nothing else, the site has an excellent free electronic Strong's Concordance and Lexicon.

I know you like to use the sacred names, as I also do, so join the Discussion Forum and let us know what you think of it.

I ended up calling the site a cult, much to the protestation of one particular member Missy. What I object to on the site that believing in using the sacred names and keeping the feast days and following the dietary laws (ie., more than the decalogue or ten commandments) was practically mandatory.

As long as things remain voluntary, then I am willing what, if anything, is true about it or not. Everything should always be voluntary in religion, in my opinion. And that site was not, which made it a cult.

with love, Eden

IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
becauseHElives
Advanced Member
Member # 87

Icon 1 posted      Profile for becauseHElives   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Eden, would you mind providing a link to the site in question, I would like to check it out for myself.

thank you
dale

--------------------
Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )

Posts: 4578 | From: Southeast Texas | Registered: Jun 2002  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Eduardo Grequi
Advanced Member
Member # 3984

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Eduardo Grequi   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Eden my Brother, it is most difficult for those whom try to work their way to heaven or earn salvation as the Wise One would say, is burdensome and impossible because of sin. Jesus the Jewish Messiah whom I share a bloodline with as kindred of Jewsih people has taught me "Take my yoke Upon you, learn of me, and be blessed." My Brother there are as many types of Jews as there are many types of Christians who would dare to utter that working your salvation without grace is the only way to go. Obvsiously the rabbi would say, how could salvation be made so easy ! there must be more (ahy gibt mer).

Commune with those who salvation is by grace alone. [Kiss]

I am a sephardic Christian Jew and that being said is Oxy-moran statement. Remember Eden, Jesus said beware of those who tried to put a yoke of burden on you and toil your soul for visual spection.

We need (whether Jews or Gentile) only the salvation of Christ Jesus our Lord who is finisher of our faith. But do remember what the Apostle Paul said when in Rome do as the Romans in order to lead many to Christ and commune with the Brethen.

Posts: 771 | From: Belvidere, IL | Registered: Oct 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Eden
unregistered


Icon 5 posted            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hi, Michael Harrison. You said
quote:
Ask a Christian if they believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, and they will unequivocally say yes!
In its current condition, the Bible is no longer inerrant because the Bible now contains some scribal errors.

The Bible is however infallible, meaning that whatever the Bible says is going to happen, is going to happen.

with love, Eden

IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Isaiah
Advanced Member
Member # 6699

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Isaiah     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
As for food laws.... the reason for them was never about food -but obeying God. In eden they did not eat animals -then they ate anything -then they ate some things -and in the millenium again animals will not be eaten...the issue mirrors man's spiritual state over time -perfect in eden before sin -then doing anything he wanted after being cast out -being slowly brought back to perfection with the mosaic law -then with the giving of God's spirit and the NC -then made perfect when made an immortal spirit.
So what should you eat????
THAT WHICH DOES NOT GO AGAINST YOUR CONSCIENCE!
Some believe that God has still not allowed some animal flesh to be eaten -and that the "rise, kill and eat" dream was not about food at all-but the cleansing of the gentiles (Acts 10:9-20)-which is stated in the chapter(verse 28) -and that pork, etc..would not have been found in Israelite meat markets, anyway(1Co 10:25)......these people should NOT eat those things they believe they should not -as they would be sinning. Anything that is not of faith is sin. (Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin) Those who eat such things called "unclean" may not be doing the best thing for their bodies or the creation, but they do not sear their consciences -as there is no sin without the law.
We can know that it is PERFECT that we not eat animal flesh -as it was so in eden (Gen 1:29) and will again be in the millenium -even the animals will not eat each other (Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice's den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.) But we also know that God gave the creation over to futility -and did allow us at various times to eat various things (Gen 9:3, etc...)-God knows what he would have you eat and not eat at this time -but men disagree -If it is not against your conscience it is not that big a deal -being food in a body that will soon perish, anyway -though for the sake of your concscience, you should be sincere in your belief -not taking any matter of faith lightly. More importantly -those who blieve things should NOT be eaten should NOT make it a stumbling block to others! this is worse than anything we could possibly consume! (Rom 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offense.
Rom 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.)

Regardless -No one will be BBQing even the "clean" animals during the millenium -so the issue will not even be an issue -even beef and fish with scales and fins were "unclean" to eat in eden -and will be again! So if these folks give you too much grief, tell them they should go vegetarian -see if they'll give up that nice juicy steak for God!

Posts: 288 | Registered: Aug 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Michael Harrison
Advanced Member
Member # 6801

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Michael Harrison     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Next subject!
FWIW Ask a Christian if they believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, and they will unequivocally say yes! How then do they turn straight around and deny it by saying that it is wrong calling Jesus the name of God given to us in the new dispensation?

Posts: 3273 | From: Charlotte N.C. | Registered: Sep 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Michael Harrison
Advanced Member
Member # 6801

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Michael Harrison     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
But ADOPTED sons and daughters are capable of some very ungodly behaviors still,
Can you recognize the love in the scriptures, that we usually hear as stern, reprimanding? LOve is behind them. It is safe to read them this way. Very safe.


Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance ?

Love is a person, and welcome is His name! His heart is full of love more tender, and stronger than our distain.

Posts: 3273 | From: Charlotte N.C. | Registered: Sep 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Eden
unregistered


Icon 1 posted            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hi, yahsway, you asked what site I went to. It was eliyah.com. I had used his site for its Strong's Concordance and decided one day to also join the Discussion Forum, but it was not long before I was severely reprimanded for using those "Christian" names LORD and Lord instead of the SACRED names of YHWH and Yeshua.

I told them that the tranlators of the Bible try to find comparable words in the native language which conveys a similar idea as Supreme Being in order to convey what YHWH and kurios Yeshua mean and in English those native words turned out to be LORD and Lord.

I also mentioned that many Christians in the world do not have access to the Internet or to advanced Christian tools and resources so that most Christians NEVER get the chance to learn that the HEBREW names for LORD and Lord are YHWH and Yeshua, and that thus it is a PRIVILEGE of the rich and the luxurious that they also were able to learn the original HEBREW names.

But the Christians who have the opportunity to learn the original names are few compared to the many.

And so in the case of eliyah.com, for instance, what it turns out to be again is another form of ELITISM, of another way of saying, GOD IS MORE PLEASED WITH ME BECAUSE I KNOW MORE ABOUT HIM THAN YOU DO.

That is again why God does NOT want us to EVER say to Him and to ourselves, "I thank you, God, that I am NOT like other men, unjust, uncouth, etc.", but God only wants us to stick to saying to Him, "God, have mercy on me a sinner", by which we recognize that we are just as awful a sinner as ANYONE ELSE:

Luke 13
1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.

2 And Jesus said to them, Do you suppose that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?

3 I tell you, NO: but, except you repent, you shall all likewise perish.

I myself like to use the sacred names, and I am thankful that I was able to find out what they were and I consider it a privilege that I am able to use them.

But I am confident that the LORD and the Lord feel just as loved when we use the names LORD and Lord as when we have managed to learn the names YHWH and Yeshua.

If we have the opportunity to learn what the Hebrew names were, that is great, but knowing what those names are is not at all required for salvation.

love, eden

IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Eden
unregistered


Icon 5 posted            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hi, Michael Harrison. You said:
quote:
But the message is that He doesn't want to see you struggle to please Him.
Yes, I agree. I remind myself that we are ADOPTED sons and daughters, and I know how ADOPTED sons and daughters can be, especially if their parents, Lucifero and Lucifera, were very abusive and giving them very little love in their life.

When the LORD YHWH Elohim and Yeshua ADOPTED us, They knew what They were getting into. It is not as if our behavior caught Them by surprise after the Lucifers had used us and abused us. Hello. It is all about LOVING us back into the kingdom of God.

But ADOPTED sons and daughters are capable of some very ungodly behaviors still, but THEY ARE ALREADY ADOPTED, and God is not the kind of God that He should go back and UNADOPT us.

Rather, God has provided some of the BEST teachers and counsellors for His Newly Adopted Children, harvested from the earth out of the Lucifers' kingdom.

God has provided the Holy Spirit to counsel His Newly Adopted Children and God has provided His Book to lead His Newly Adopted Children in the right way.

But God knows that we came from a kingdom without love and that we are ADOPTED children.

Romans 8:15
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Romans 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Galatians 4:5
To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Ephesians 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.

Adopted children are not always pretty and need a lot of lovin' to get restored again. In the meantime, they may act up. As a friend of mine said, "My spirit is willing, but my flesh aks up".

So let me repeat what Michael Harrison said,
quote:
But the message is that He doesn't want to see you struggle to please Him.
God was not then and is not now, taken by surprise by us because He adopted us. He knows what we are all about.

with love, Eden (adopted)

IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
JLand
Community Member
Member # 6707

Icon 1 posted      Profile for JLand     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quite honestly its my understanding that since our sins are paid for on the cross by christ its not necessary to do all the old covenant stuff, like sacrifices and all the feast days and all that
Posts: 8 | Registered: Aug 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Michael Harrison
Advanced Member
Member # 6801

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Michael Harrison     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Dearest Eden. "Whom the Son sets free, is free indeed." "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free."

Doing makes it harder. Having - because it is the gift, makes it easy, not that you don't have temptations, or perhaps struggle with choices (which everyone wants to beat me up over). But the message is that He doesn't want to see you struggle to please Him. It gives the Father no pleasure. That is why Jesus is a deliverer. He will do it if you let Him, and you can enjoy and praise Him with love and deep gratification in your heart, in comfort and security.

Thanks for not abandoning us!

Posts: 3273 | From: Charlotte N.C. | Registered: Sep 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
freeinchrist
Community Member
Member # 6867

Icon 16 posted      Profile for freeinchrist   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
my two cents, my sister in the Lord .
each sites have different rules.
this site i have posted , i don't want to say something to get kick off. what cant i say ?i didnt get any answer from anyone..it would be nice to get a answer ....ANY ANSWER.. i love this site.. don't want to get kicked off...that is one reason i don't say much on any thing i write... blessing to you

Posts: 18 | From: michigan,usa | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
yahsway
Advanced Member
Member # 3738

Icon 1 posted      Profile for yahsway     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
The "sacred" name ONLY movement has done much to hurt the body. Although I do use the sacrad names, I also know who others are talkng about that use the name Jesus ect.. and I have no problem with it.

It all boils down to maturity. I also celebrate the Feasts days, but again, this is a persoanl issue and has nothing to do with salvation.

Much like the pharisees, some (NOT ALL) messianic assemblies put fences up around the Torah and put up fences around those fences. I often call it Messyanic madness.

I would be interested to know which site you were on.

Daniel Botkin just came out with an article in the MIA Herald (Messianic Israel Alliance) addressing this very issue. It was very good, I hope a lot of these messianic assemblies read it.

There are many different "fringe" groups and sounds like this one you were on is one I would run from.

As for myself, I tend to agree with the beliefs of the AIM (Association of Independant Messianics)

If you want some really good info, go to Wildbranch Ministries on the web by Brad Scott.

He has some wonderful studies and I believe you would glean a lot from them.

So sorry to hear how you were treated dear sister. This is so sad. Just remember that NO man has the right to tell us how to celebrate, and they certainly do not judge us as to new moons, feast days ect.. That alone is left up to Yahweh God.

Shalom

Posts: 1238 | From: Tennessee | Registered: Aug 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Eden
unregistered


Icon 5 posted            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I recently tried out a Christian site where...it practically was a requirement that I use the sacred names of YHWH and Yeshua. I was practically forced to convert the names of the LORD and the Lord to YHWH and Yeshua in my Bible studies.

Next I was told that I could not be allowed to teach or post Topics until I first had learned that, in addition to my salvation, I also had to please YHWH and Yeshua by keeping the holy days of Israel and even the dietary laws because, after all, were they not instituted for our spiritual and physical health?

I answered that I believed that I was saved by faith for salvation and that after being saved, the Holy Spirit helped me (if I was willing to listen) and the written Word of God helped me (if I was willing to read) to keep the 10 commandments because, I said, the 10 commandments are not burdensome.

And, also, that I believed that the 10 commandments are further reduced to and comprised in just 2 commandments, which are to love YHWH with all my heart, mind and soul, and to love my neighbor as myself.

If Iove my neighbor as myself, I won't steal from him, I won't move his border marker, I won't lie (bear false witness) to him, I will not covet what is my neighbor's, and so on will I love my neighbor.

So I believe in faith for salvation and an attempt, with holy help, at keeping the 10 commandments which are reduced into 2 commandments by Jesus.

Well, that was not good enough, I also had to learn to keep the feast days and see the value of the dietary laws, until then, I could not teach there with Topics or post my Bible studies, "until I had learned how to please YHWH after I had been saved".

I did post one more Topic saying Goodbye, in which I stated that "your site feels like a cult to me", and after saying that I was banned from posting on that site until I have learned to please YHWH in ALL His ways,

So that's where I was for a while. What do you think of all that, brethren in Christ?

with love, Eden

IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator


 
Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:

Contact Us | Christian Visual Media | Privacy Statement



Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.5.0