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When Mormon missionaries (properly called Latter Day Saints or simply "LDS") come to your door they will often offer a free copy of the Book of Mormon and tell you about its author Joseph Smith. Smith, they will say, translated the Book of Mormon from golden plates he dug up in a hill in New York in the early 1800's. This is supposed to confirm his calling from God as the new prophet on the Earth in these latter days (hence the LDS title). Further, they will tell you that the Holy Ghost will confirm the truth of the Book of Mormon truth by producing good feelings in you. Next will come the invitation to "Read the Book of Mormon, pray, and ask God to show you it is true." Of course you must do this with sincerity or it won't work.
Before you fall to your knees, there are some things you need to know that they are not telling you (and won't unless you ask). The first concerns many LDS beliefs that separate them from historical, orthodox Christianity. These are not found in the Book of Mormon. In fact, there is really very little in that book that is doctrinally disagreeable to orthodox Christians. The real meat of Mormonism is found in their other scriptures, The Doctrine and Covenants and The Pearl of Great Price. These books, however, Mormons do not hand out at the door - and for good reason. If people knew up front what they were really going to be asked to believe (things such as God once being a man, denial of the Trinity, Satan being Jesus' brother, pre-existence of souls, etc.) they may not be quite so willing to put aside their skepticism.
The second thing to realize is that to accept the Book of Mormon, one is in fact accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet. So what about this test of a prophet? Isn't it legitimate to "give this question up to God?" No, it isn't. This is because God has already revealed His test for would-be Prophets - and it has nothing to do with prayer or feelings and God has no obligation to answer prayers that he has already answered! We do not have to ask God whether or not we should rob a bank or murder someone. Rather, James 1:5 says "If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God . . . and it will be given to him." Wisdom is applied knowledge, not lack of it.
God never tells us to pray about what is true. When we want to know how tall a wall is, we don't pray about it...we get something that we know is true (a ruler) and compare it to the wall. The Bible, God's word, is true. That is our measuring stick for truth. See Acts 17:11 for example - it describes a group of people who were considered noble because when Paul came to them with the Christian message they "received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily, to see whether these things were so."
Feelings are unreliable because they are subjective, easy to produce, and are not meant to discover facts but to tell us how we feel about facts. Psychological persuasion techniques, intensity, eye contact, or mere desire can produce feelings that feel real - because they are real! But real feelings are still just letting us know how we are reacting to something, not the truthfulness of that thing. The Mormon missionary handbook specifically details these techniques and missionaries go through training on how to persuade people before they ever leave the house.
What are the biblical tests for a prophet? They are in God's Word: Deuteronomy 18:21-22 says, "You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?" If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." Did Joseph Smith ever claim "in the name of the LORD" that something would happen when it did not? Yes - many times in fact.
Joseph Smith prophesied that New York would be destroyed if they rejected the [mormon] gospel (D&C 84:114-115). He also prophesied that the rebellion of South Carolina and war between the states would result in war being poured out upon all nations; slaves would revolt; the inhabitants of the earth would mourn; famine, plague, earthquake, thunder, lightning, and a full end of all nations would result (D&C 87). Oddly, this prophecy is the one most often cited by Mormons to prove Joseph Smith's prophetic power!
Further, Deuteronomy 13:1-3 says that "if a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul." Did Joseph Smith lead his followers to other gods? Yes.
Joseph Smith was a polytheist. History of the Church 6:474 records Smith stating, "I wish to declare I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods." Joseph Smith declared that "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 345). This is clearly not the biblical God.
Galatians 1:6-7 says that people may be "turning to a different gospel-- which is really no gospel at all . . . trying to pervert the gospel of Christ." And he pronounced a curse upon them for doing so. In Romans 1:16 Paul tells us that the gospel is "the power of God unto salvation" - that's pretty important. Did Joseph Smith teach a "different Gospel"? Yes.
Mormons believe that the Book of Mormon contains the "fullness of the gospel." The Book of Mormon says so itself in its introduction (see also Doctrines and Covenants 20:9; 27:5; 42:12; and 135:3). So what is the gospel according to Mormonism? It's a tough question for many LDS to answer. According to Mormon apostle Bruce McConkie, author of the book Mormon Doctrine, the gospel is "the plan of salvation [that] embraces all of the laws, principles, doctrines, rites, ordinances, acts, powers, authorities, and keys necessary to save and exalt men." In other words, the whole of Mormon theology. In the Mormon gospel we see belief + repentance + baptism + laying on of hands + temple work + mission work + church ministry + tithing + ceasing from sin + abstaining from the use of intoxicants and strong drinks and tobacco and caffeine + confessing Joseph Smith as Prophet + temple marriage + baptism for the dead + genealogy research . . . the list could go on and on and on. Only upon completion of all these things may Mormons attain to the third and highest level of heaven thus achieving the ultimate goal of the Mormon gospel - godhood. (see McConkie, Mormon Doctrine 116-117; Book of Mormon [3 Nephi 27:13-21]; Doctrines of Salvation 1:268; 18:213; The 4th Article of Faith; Smith, Gospel Doctrine pg. 107; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 3:93; 3:247; 9:312; Gospel Principles 290; Doctrine and Covenants 39:5-6; 132:19-20). In essence, Christ's death means nothing more to a Mormon than the gaining of the ability to be resurrected so that their works may be judged.
While we cannot judge another person's motives we can and must judge what a person does or says. Joseph Smith, and hence the Book of Mormon, fails the twin tests of Deuteronomy 13 and 18. God takes false prophets very seriously. Deuteronomy 13:1-3 says, "That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God...; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you." Deuteronomy 18:19-21 says, "If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death..." And Galatians 1:8-9 says, "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!"
The gospel is God's power to bring us to Him. He will not stand for those who would pervert it. He has given us the ability and the responsibility to discern whether or not this is happening. We must carefully investigate the claims of the LDS if we are to follow what God has commanded. In fact we are invited to judge by Mormons themselves: "Convince us of our errors of doctrine, if we have any." LDS Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p.15
How should Christians view the book of Mormon?
http://www.gotquestions.org/book-of-Mormon.html
Is Mormonism a cult? What do Mormons believe?
http://www.gotquestions.org/Mormons.html
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There is a book of cults that you can read, or purchase still, perhaps. My brother asked me about the Mormons. He believed in the commercials about close knit family that occasionally run on tv (which showed what was most important to him). I bought him a copy of that book. He didn't pursue Mormonism any more.
If I tell anyone anything about them,it is this: They believe that Jesus and satan were brothers, and that Jesus chose the right way. (I believe that they are confusing Jesus and satan with Cain and Able.) You don't believe that do you? Anyway, they created their own book, and rarely use the Bible. They believe what they want to believe, and have no fear of God in terms of judgement, and life.
There is more, but this keeps it short, and it is enough, don't you think?
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God bless you;
I had family who were LDS, and family who were RLDS. It is a cult and the deluded writings of the false prophet Joseph Smith.
Here is a site which can provide details:
Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
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Thanks both of you, i now know what to do you put me at ease, i don't want to follow a morman lifestyle, i am happy that you told me that its a bad thing to read that bible, when i first saw it i had weird vibes from it. Thanks again
God Bless You
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Betty Lou
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Joy,
Mormons are a cult. I would not read that book, because it is easy to get caught up in a cult.
A few years ago we were given the book as a gift. I never read it and when we moved, I threw it away.
For one to witness to a Mormon, you must be prayed up and spiritually and intellectually prepared.
Mormons are taught how to rebuff Christians and can easily confuse Christians.
As people Mormons are very nice people and I mean them no disrespect, but they add to the Bible which is a sin and they do not believe that Jesus is God.
betty
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Hi Joy2Tworld,
I am sure that you can find many of those answers from internet searches. Here is the thing though. Our focus should not be on a particular religion, but it should be on the Lord Jesus. True spiritual growth will come out of a sincere relationship with Jesus....We need to hear and obey the will of God that is shown by the life and words of Jesus....much else is a waste of time....unless of course......God has put it on your heart that there may be a way for you to persuade Mormons to a greater love for the Lord....if in fact their religion has hindrances to that end. With love in Christ, Daniel
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Today i been round to my dads, and he gave me a load of things he had found in the loft, among the things were a load of different versions of bibles, one of them was a Morman bible, now can anyone help me, who are the Mormans, how do they worship, why is there bible so different, there are different names in there, is it a false christian religion or is it a true thing.
Hope somebody can help me.
God Bless
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