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quote:
Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
...one could get the impression that God created man twice: once in Gen 1:26, and again in 2:7.

God created Man once.

First, He created the spirit of Man.

Later, after programming the spirits, He installed them in a body, then made a woman from the man.

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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
... when Cain was expelled for killing Able, he was afraid of the others who were around, so God put a mark on him so that they would not kill him. Therefore, there were people besides Adam, Eve, Cain and Able around at that time.

The other people that were around were from Adam and Eve's family. Children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great-grandchildren, and so on.
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Therefore, there were people besides Adam, Eve, Cain and Able around at that time. Comments?
A co-worker of mine made the exact comment this evening...It is very simple to explain...this is a quote from Got Questions. org ...it does make a lot of sense...


Question: "Who was Cain's wife? Was Cain's wife his sister?"

Answer: The Bible does not specifically say who Cain’s wife was. The only possible answer was that Cain's wife was his sister or niece or great-niece, etc. The Bible does not say how old Cain was when he killed Abel (Genesis 4:8). Since they were both farmers, they were likely both full-grown adults, possibly with families of their own. Adam and Eve had surely had more children than just Cain and Abel at the time Abel was killed - they definitely had many more children later (Genesis 5:4). The fact that Cain was scared for his own life after he killed Abel (Genesis 4:14) indicates that there were likely many other children and perhaps even grandchildren or great-grandchildren of Adam and Eve at that time. Cain's wife (Genesis 4:17) was a daughter or granddaughter of Adam and Eve.

Since Adam and Eve were the first (and only) human beings, their children would have no other choice than to intermarry. God did not forbid inter-family marriage until much later when there was enough people that intermarriage was not necessary (Leviticus 18:6-18). The reason that incest often results in genetic abnormalities in children is that when two people of similar genetics (i.e. a brother and sister) have children – genetic defects are far more likely to result because both parents had the same defects themselves. When people from different families have children – it is highly unlikely that both parents will have the same genetic defects. The human genetic code has become increasingly “polluted” over the centuries as genetic defects are multiplied, amplified, and passed down from generation to generation. Adam and Eve did not have any genetic defects, so that enabled them and the first few generations of their descendants to have a far greater quality of health than we do now. Adam and Eve’s children had few, if any, genetic defects. As a result, it was safe for them to intermarry. It may seem strange or even disgusting to think of Cain's wife being his sister. In the beginning, since God started with one man and one woman, the second generation would have no choice but to intermarry amongst themselves.


Cain's wife?

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For what it is worth, one could get the impression that God created man twice: once in Gen 1:26, and again in 2:7. I've never read it like this before. As you know, it turns out that when Cain was expelled for killing Able, he was afraid of the others who were around, so God put a mark on him so that they would not kill him. Therefore, there were people besides Adam, Eve, Cain and Able around at that time. Comments?
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Something that came to my mind, what if The garden of eden is was made in heaven?

Or what if it has been created in heaven since Adam and Eve got kicked out.

Just a thought.

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I think the number one reason why Christians, and Jews also, I think, end up saying that the earth has to be only about 6,000 years old is because we start counting the age of Adam's life and then the ages of the sons and grandsons of Adam, and continue adding through the period of Kings and all the way to Jesus and all the way 2,000 years to today.

The Bible ages therefore force us to HAVE TO say, on the basis of the ages from Adam to Jesus Christ and then by way of known history to today, that according to the Bible the earth is 6,000 years old, period.

That is, if the six days of creation were six actual 24-hour days during which creation occurred, then Adam was created on the 6th day, along with the animals (Genesis 1:23-31).

So here is the thing. If those days were literal 24-hour days which happened one day right after the next 24-hour day, then the earth was created on the 1st day and Adam is only 5 days younger than the earth.

As a result, all historical discussion about the age of the earth has focused on the meaning of the Hebrew word yom which is translated day in the King James Version of 1611.

In other words, does the word yom always mean a 24-hour day, or are there instances in the Bible that yom can mean a longer period than a 24-hour day?

Because if yom can only mean a 24-hour day, then Adam is only 5 days younger than the earth, Kristy2007.

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//i Interesting posts here, especially about the carnivore names of animals. And the death of animals. I often wonder how Abel knew God would like a sacrifice of his sheep, while Cain brought him vegetables, which was his job so to speak. //i

I want to answer that! Isn't it strange that Abel knew that God wanted a sacrifice of sheep. What does that tell you? Able had a relationship with God. Well, Cain had some kind of respect for God, but what was the problem? Cain wanted to do what he thought would please God, rather than finding out on God's terms what would please Him.
Here is why Cain became roth: He sacrificed out of pride, of wanting to contribute what he wanted in order to please God. It is in direct contrast to Able's non self important offering, the same as even Jesus offered up Himself.

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quote:
Originally posted by Eden:
... it is a bit inappropriate to mix quotations from two different persons in your post above, without giving separate attribution for each part.

I may not necessarily agree with what that other person said whose quote you mixed with my quote, so when you lump both into one section, that is not fair to me nor to that other person who also may not agree with what I said in my part. Attributions, please?

In that particular post, I was answering what was posted, the ideas only, the general drift of the ideas. In that post, I am drawing attention to the fact that "foolish questions" take us off the spiritual journey course. In that case, it doesn't matter whose ideas they are. So, attribution was not necessary.

However, if I intend to answer a particular person's post, I attribute.

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Originally posted by Thunderz7:
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Isiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain <08414>, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form <08414>, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

08414 =tohuw to’-hoo

from an unused root meaning to lie waste; TWOT-2494a; n m

AV-vain 4, vanity 4, confusion 3, without form 2, wilderness 2, nought 2, nothing 1, empty place 1, waste 1; 20

1) formlessness, confusion, unreality, emptiness
1a) formlessness (of primeval earth)
1a1) nothingness, empty space
1b) that which is empty or unreal (of idols) (fig)
1c) wasteland, wilderness (of solitary places)
1d) place of chaos
1e) vanity

Now, THAT'S an interesting word study!
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Hello,
Interesting posts here, especially about the carnivore names of animals. And the death of animals. I often wonder how Abel knew God would like a sacrifice of his sheep, while Cain brought him vegetables, which was his job so to speak.
I too believe that God created the earth in six literal days. After all it is possible, God spoke things in existence. Although it could also be 1000 years for the days, as a day in the Lord is as a thousand years. China is supposed to be the oldest documented culture of about 5000 years ago. And I have heard that it's possible the Garden of Eden was near there. But I don't know if it was near the Middle East or not. Well it was near the rivers.
Also, I wanted to comment on dinosaurs and scientists claiming they could not have existed with humans, giving further evidence that the earth is millions of years old. But I was glad to see Carl Baugh on his show of creation on TBN say that there has been found actual dinosaur and human footprints together, to prove a young earth as well.

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Wow. Interesting (to me) post. Well, it is like this. It takes God so long to answer some prayers, till i believe that it is quite possible for the earth to be billions of years old [spiny]

But i really do, fun aside! In a post in another section of this board the question was asked whether Eve would return to dust. That question was followed by this statement:
"As late as 1564, Andreas Vesalius, the founder of the science of anatomy, was exiled by the church because he asserted that man was NOT missing rib."
The point of this statement, is the same as one concerning where the church was in denial about dinosaurs. Eventually, in my lifetime in fact, we have come to the conclusion that dinos existed! (It is hard to deny the skeleton of a brontosaurus.) So anyway, this statement and these other things, reveal something about the church that is true throughout history, that it is often in denial in the name of simple faith, which is just ok.

Though i have come to the conclusion that it is old, old. It does not negate God, even though it may test the faith of the church. Other things reveal something of Bible truth that we should consider, things like: Did the waters of the Red Sea stand perpendicular as Israel crossed over? We like to believe that in its simplicity, but it probably actually happened in another way. Yet unquestionably it was the providence, the act of the Living God.

Go in faith little children. 2Ti 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

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Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Isiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain <08414>, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form <08414>, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

08414 =tohuw to’-hoo

from an unused root meaning to lie waste; TWOT-2494a; n m

AV-vain 4, vanity 4, confusion 3, without form 2, wilderness 2, nought 2, nothing 1, empty place 1, waste 1; 20

1) formlessness, confusion, unreality, emptiness
1a) formlessness (of primeval earth)
1a1) nothingness, empty space
1b) that which is empty or unreal (of idols) (fig)
1c) wasteland, wilderness (of solitary places)
1d) place of chaos
1e) vanity

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Did God create the earth to LOOK OLD? Or is the earth really old?

I can find no character purpose why God would WANT to make the earth LOOK OLD. What, so that God could fool people into NOT believing and being saved? For God to fool people on purpose seems contrary to the Bible statement that God wants ALL people to be saved.

There are a lot of people who are currently unbelievers because they cannot believe that someone would assert, "in this day and age" that the earth is nly 6000 years old.

So it is a very serious matter even for salvation.

The Bible says that the LORD God of Israel CREATED the earth and that the God of Israel is the ONLY CREATOR who made the heavens and the earth, so I believe the Bible.

Whether the word "yom" or "day" used in the narrative of the 7 days {Hebrew, yom} of creation in Genesis 1 meant exclusively a 24-hour period then the Bible says that the earth was created in 6 24-hour days (since God rested on the 7th day).

And then I could say that God created the earth in those 6 24-hour literal days, but God did that millions of years ago.

But if I may be prevented from saying that God created the earth millions of years ago because Adam's age is mentioned in the Bible, and it is from Adam's age and from adding the ages of Adam's descendants through the line of Adam-Seth-Arphaxad-Peleg-Noah-Abraham-Jacob to Jesus Christ.

From that counting of the ages we get the idea from the Bible that the earth is only 6,000 years old.

And we can also get the idea from the Bible that the earth is only 6,000 years old from the Bible verse: "1 day is as a 1,000 years with the Lord", and so 6 days x 1,000 years = the earth is 6,000 years old and we are about to enter the thousand years of rest.

If the 6 days of creation are a literal, consecutive 24-hour days, then Adam was created at the same time as the earth, so then the earth also has 6,000 years old, just like Adam.

with love, Eden
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dear aiopj, it is a bit inappropriate to mix quotations from two different persons in your post above, without giving separate attribution for each part.

I may not necessarily agree with what that other person said whose quote you mixed with my quote, so when you lump both into one section, that is not fair to me nor to that other person who also may not agree with what I said in my part. Attributions, please? Thank you, Eden

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Scriptural Problems in the Young-Earth Interpretation

The Sun was created on the 4th day

The entire universe (heavens and earth) was created on or before the first day (Genesis 1:1) and sunlight was upon the earth before the end of the first day (Genesis 1:3-5). There are those who say that the light described was not from the Sun and was not falling on the Earth. However, the text clearly establishes the frame of reference as being the surface of the waters on planet Earth (Genesis 1:2). In addition, the text indicates that the light is not some "diffuse light from God," but is directional, since the Earth is experiencing both day and night (Genesis 1:5).

I have yet to hear one reasonable explanation of how there can be day and night on the Earth without the Sun shining until 3 days later.

The Bible actually suggests that Adam had seen death before the creation of Eve.

When Adam was first put into the garden, God said that he could eat from any tree except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:15-17). God threatened that Adam would "surely die" if he broke this command.

This threat makes no sense unless Adam had already seen the death of animals. There is no recorded reply of Adam asking what death was. If he had never seen death this would have been an obvious question. This is strong biblical evidence that Adam had already seen the death of animals even before Eve was created.

Adam named the animals, using terms that described their carnivorous activity

Before the creation of Eve, God brought the animals before Adam for him to name. The text makes it clear that Adam named the animals, and not God (Genesis 2:19-20). This is important for an understanding of what Adam had seen prior to the Fall.

If the young earth creationists are correct, one would expect the names of the carnivores to reflect the current (non-carnivorous) activities of these creatures prior to the Fall. However, Adam gave some very unusual names to some of the carnivores. For example, the Hebrew name for lion is derived from the Hebrew root that means "in the sense of violence."

Was Adam referring to the violence with which the lion ate its vegetables? It doesn't seem likely! In addition, Adam named some of the predatory birds using a Hebrew word with the meaning "bird of prey." Were these birds preying on fruits and nuts? In naming the eagle, Adam used the Hebrew word whose root means to lacerate. Was the eagle ripping up plants with its talons?

Adam's names for carnivores Animal Strong's # Meaning - Lion H738 from H717 "in the sense of violence"

9Cormorant H799410 "bird of prey" from H7993 "to throw, cast hurl fling" - referring to its diving in pursuit of prey11

Hawk H5322 "unclean bird of prey"12
Eagle H5404 from an unused root meaning "to lacerate"13

Owl H846414 from H2554 "to wrong, do violence to, treat violently, do wrongly"15

It is abundantly clear from the names given to the carnivores by Adam that he had seen these animals in action - eating other animals prior to the Fall of mankind. The idea that all animals ate only plants prior to the Fall is contradicted directly by the biblical texts.

What about Romans 5:12? The standard young-earth interpretation is that sin brought about death to all living creatures and the advent of carnivorous activity. However, the text says that sin brought about the death of humans (Genesis 2:17, Romans 5:12).

There is no biblical basis for the idea that sin brought about death of animals. Likewise, the young-earth contention that carnivorous activity began at the fall is without a biblical foundation. In fact, it directly contradicts scripture, since such a drastic change in animal behavior would have required God to continue the creation process - something the Bible says He stopped doing after the sixth day (Genesis 2:3, Hebrews 4:4).

If this were true, then God must have changed some of the animals to become carnivorous. Why would God judge the innocent animals for the sin of mankind and condemn them to the "evil" laws of survival of the fittest? If God did change some of the animals to become carnivorous, it must be one of the better kept secrets of the Bible.

What does scripture say happened after the fall?

The reality is that God judged only those who committed sin:

The Serpent
(Satan) And the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, Cursed are you more than all cattle, And more than every beast of the field; On your belly shall you go, And dust shall you eat All the days of your life; And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel." (Genesis 3:14-15)

The Woman
(Eve) To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you shall bring forth children; Yet your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you." (Genesis 3:16)

The Man
(Adam) Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life. Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; And you shall eat the plants of the field; By the sweat of your face You shall eat bread, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return." (Genesis 3:17-19)

There were no other judgments made by God, since all the guilty parties were punished. God does not pass judgment upon the innocent. There is no biblical basis for the young-earth belief that sin brought about the death of animals and the beginning of carnivorous activity.

Physical death is evil

Is death and pain bad or evil? Scripture clearly tells us that God Himself allowed humans to kill (Genesis 4:4) and eat animals (Genesis 9:3). In fact, God was pleased with the sacrifice of Abel, which involved the killing of animals. Therefore, scripture itself eliminates the death of animals and plants as being evil or bad.

In fact, God Himself is implicated in the death of animals. First, God killed animals to clothe Adam and Eve after the fall (Genesis 3:21) and then killed many animals during the flood (Genesis 7). God set up the system of animal sacrifice for atonement for sin (Exodus 23:18). In addition, scripture tells us that God created carnivores on day 6 and provides food for the carnivores of the Earth, therefore condoning the death of some animals for the survival of others:

"Who prepares for the raven its nourishment, When its young cry to God, And wander about without food?" (Job 38:41)

"Can you hunt the prey for the lion, Or satisfy the appetite of the young lions, [God speaking] (Job 38:39)

The young lions roar after their prey, And seek their food from God. (Psalms 104:21)

There is the sea, great and broad, In which are swarms without number, Animals both small and great... They all wait for Thee, To give them their food in due season. (Psalms 104:25, 27)
Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. (Luke 12:24)

If one states that the death of animals and carnivorous activity are evil, then one must admit, according to scripture, that God is responsible for these things and therefore a perpetrator of evil. Such a viewpoint would make God a sinner - something vehemently refuted by scripture. Views that the deaths of animals are evil are common arguments from atheists and New Agers, some of which has been seeping into the Church.

Is the death of human beings evil or bad? God designed physical death and made it come upon humanity when Adam sinned. This death is both judgment and mercy. Sin brings about spiritual death, which can only be atoned for by the blood of Christ.

Judgment of sinners is based upon their evil deeds. Therefore, God, in cutting short the lives of sinners, reduces their punishment for sin. One should note that long life was not a blessing, but a curse on early mankind. These long lifetimes led to widespread wickedness, such that God was forced to eliminate nearly all of mankind and reduce the lifetimes of post-flood humanity. Scripture tells us that the death of the righteous is actually good:

Precious in the sight of the LORD Is the death of His godly ones. (Psalms 116:15)
for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. (Romans 14:8)
For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. (Philippians 1:21)

But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; (Philippians 1:23)

And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, "Write, 'Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!'" "Yes," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them." (Revelation 14:13)

Entropy (2nd law of thermodynamics) began after the fall

The young-earth doctrine that entropy did not start until the fall of humans into sin is directly contradicted by the text of Genesis 1.

First, let's understand what entropy is so that we can see how it is directly affirmed in the opening chapter of the Bible. Simply put, the second law of thermodynamics states that heat flows from hot bodies to cold bodies. This law affects virtually everything that happens in our universe. It allows the Sun to shine and warm the Earth. It has also been called the law of decay, since it addresses the "decay" of the universe. Since all heat flows from hot bodies to cold bodies, the logical end result will be that at some point the entire universe will have the same temperature. To a large degree, this phenomenon has already occurred. At the Big Bang, the almost infinitely hot beginning of the universe became spread over the expanding size of the universe. Greater than 99.9% of all the energy of the original cosmos was dissipated within minutes of the Big Bang, and is now measurable as the 2.7°K background radiation.

The Bible clearly states that entropy began well before the fall of mankind. Stars cannot shine (Genesis 1:3), animals move (Genesis 1:20), etc. if the 2nd law was not in effect.

Those who say the 2nd law of thermodynamics did not start until the fall must postulate that God changed all the laws of physics - all the stars, planets, animals, etc. - essentially remaking the entire universe.

There is not even a hint in the Bible that God did this. Indeed, the Bible says that God rested from all his creative work after the sixth day. Just recently, the young-earth creation society, Answers in Genesis refuted the idea that the second law of thermodynamics began at the fall, although the idea is still quite prevalent among other young-earth groups.

Pre-fall Eden was perfect and will be restored at the 2nd coming of Jesus

The creation before the fall was described as "very good" (Genesis 1:31), but never as "perfect." The words used in Genesis 1:31 are meod tob, which mean "very" or "abundantly" (meod) and "good" or "beautiful" (tob). This combination of words is used several times after the Fall to describe Rebekah (Genesis 24:16), Bathsheba (2 Samuel 11:2), Adonijah (1 Kings 1:6), and figs (Jeremiah 24:2).

Since these words are used to describe fallen (imperfect) humans, it is obvious that the Genesis text is not referring to a perfect creation, but one that is, as translated, very good. The Hebrew word used to describe the perfection of God is tamim, which is never used to describe God's temporal creation. In fact, the Genesis creation text describes part of the creation as "not good" (Genesis 2:18). Eden was neither without pain (Genesis 3:16) nor temptation to sin (Genesis 3:1).

In addition, God's command to humans in Genesis 1 was to "subdue" the earth (Genesis 1:28). The Hebrew word for "subdue" is kabash, (Strong's number H3533), which means to bring into subjection to human influence. This very statement implies that the world was hostile and unsuitable for human domination without some effort. This statement implies that the creation before the fall of man was neither perfect nor even prepared for humans to "fill the earth." God, in His mercy, started humans in His personally planted garden, Eden (Genesis 2:8), protected from the reality of the rest of the earth (weeds, drought, etc.) that needed to be subdued. When the first humans sinned, they were kicked out the garden (Genesis 3:24) into the reality of a hostile world in need of being "subdued."

In contrast, the New Creation is described as being perfect (1 Corinthians 13:10, Philippians 1:6, Hebrews 9:11). In fact, the new creation will be vastly different from Eden and this universe.

The Bible specifically states that there will be no crying, mourning, death or pain (Revelation 21:4) in the new creation.

Gnosticism and New Age belief in the young-earth interpretation

The Gnostics claimed that the physical universe was evil, whereas only the spiritual universe was good. Therefore, God was responsible only for the creation of the spiritual - the physical universe was created by evil god(s). Some young-earth creationists claim that Satan messed up God's original creation - essentially recreating it. This is a Gnostic view, which was refuted by nearly all the Christian church fathers of the second and third centuries. Although young-earth creationists do not associate hidden knowledge with salvation, they do propagate concepts that have no biblical basis, which have not been promoted by the Christian church until this century.

The young-earth viewpoint presupposes that death and carnivorous activity are evil - something promoted by New Age religions and atheistic philosophies.

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quote:
I believe the Earth in young.i Believe the world was created in 6 days and God rested on the 7th and these were literal 24 hour days

where do you fit the dinosars in and Job and that sort of thing? I just was reading Genesis and was wondering. If one believes that from Genesis chapters 1-11 are 2000 years, and Genesis chapter 12-Revelation (end of New Testament)are 2,000 years.Then from the end of the New Testament is 2,000 years...that is 6,000 years, even allowing for extra years somewhere in there it Could be near 7,000 years. Is this how young you are thinking? I think the Scofield Bible has about that for setting the ages.
But still what about the dinosars, and Job?

I think it is a proven that many countries consist of LIMESTONE, like Egypt, and that limestone is laid when there is marine water with dying marine shells, laid down by this water in thin layers, for centuries.

There are cuts through this limestone which show how this limestone was laid down layer after layer and layer after layer.

And now this limestone is no longer under water but this limestone is THRUST UP into land of the water has SUNK INTO BASINS through earth subsidences or lowerings, so that now this LIMESTONE is exposed to the air, and eventually rivers were cut through the limestone, like the Nile.

It has also been shown that the simpler, less complex FOSSILS are farther down in the surface of the earth, while the more complex FOSSILS are nearer the top of the surface of the earth.

Given these two facts, there are 2 possibilities regarding the age of the earth:

Either the earth is 6,000 years old and God “just made it look old by arranging this limestone in layers and making the simple fossils be below the complex fossils BY CREATING THE EARTH TO LOOK OLD but in fact the earth was created, say in literal 6,000 years.

Or, the earth IS OLD as proven by the limestone layers which can only have been laid down by marine water and dying marine shell creatures, and the simpler fossils being below the complex fossils, proves that the earth is indeed OLD.

Whether God CREATED the earth to LOOK OLD or whether the earth IS OLD remains to be seen.

But if God CREATED the earth to LOOK OLD, then God must have HAD A PURPOSE FOR DOING SO, but what was that purpose? To fool the scientists into become unbelievers?

I think there was a great catastrophe between verses 1 and 2. There seems to have been some pre-Adamic creature on the earth, and it must have had to do with the fall of Lucifer.
We saw creation of the universe in verse 1, then the convulsion of the earth in verse 2, and now we come to the construction of the earth in six days in verses 3 through 20. The word created is used in verse 1--21--27,other that those times He used the word made. Create is a word that means make something out of nothing...the word make, is taking something that exists and forming it.
As soon as God made man in verse 27, in verse 28 man was told to replenish the earth. When you replenish something, it is to add again.
This information I got from J.V. McGee in his commentary, and it is what I believe too.
There is room for many years to have passed between verses 1 and 2. So the earth could be very very old, or it could be young. We don't know. One day we will understand, there is so much more for us to learn and understand. This is not important to our understanding the rest of the Bible anyway. Genesis is where God placed man down on this earth, and we are accounted for from that point. We are told our responsibilities toward ourselves and others, and how our lives should be lived. What a Great God we serve.

Scientists are trying to find the answer to everything. The biggest thing they want to find out, is how did the Big Bang happen, what was before the Big Bang. I believe to any unsolved mysteries there is one answer, God. He is the one that made the Big Bang, he is the one who positioned this planet where it is, and created life.

God probably created the dinosaurs but thought that they were a bad idea so he made them extinct, so he tries something else.

God must have his reasons for doing things. And things that are to come.

And, if we get to the bottom of it, scientifically, how will it explain further the spiritual journey were supposed to be on?

In a Bible study one time, we were studying John, and the leader of the group, who was reading, stopped for discussion of the jars at the wedding.

A discussion ensued and went on for ten, or fifteen, minutes about the capacity of the jars, whether they were twenty, or thirty gallons.

I piped up, saying that that detail is not critical to the spiritual journey. I asked, "What about the capacity of the jars does the Holy Spirit require us to know in order to educate us about our spiritual journey?" Nobody could answer. The capacity of the jars is not important.

Likewise, it's important for us to know only THAT God created. He created by speaking. He commanded.

It's not important to know how the Bush burned without being consumed. It's important only to know THAT God was there and It wasn't consumed.

It's possible that even those truly born again can be distracted by endless details, taken off track, and you know who wants to take us off track.

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What an interesting topic.

I have always been fascinated by the creation of the Earth and the Universe. Also comparing it to the Bible. This is my belief. Scientists are trying to find the answer to everything. The biggest thing they want to find out, is how did the Big Bang happen, what was before the Big Bang. I believe to any unsolved mysteries there is one answer, God. He is the one that made the Big Bang, he is the one who positioned this planet where it is, and created life.

God probably created the dinosaurs but thought that they were a bad idea so he made them extinct, so he tries something else.

God must have his reasons for doing things. And things that are to come.

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There is excellent information also available at halos.com including a discovery that the earth is near the center of the universe and also God's throne. No one has refuted their discovery of polonium isotopes in granite all over the world which by itself proves evolution is a lie.

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I think there was a great catastrophe between verses 1 and 2. There seems to have been some pre-Adamic creature on the earth, and it must have had to do with the fall of Lucifer.
We saw creation of the universe in verse 1, then the convulsion of the earth in verse 2, and now we come to the construction of the earth in six days in verses 3 through 20. The word created is used in verse 1--21--27,other that those times He used the word made. Create is a word that means make something out of nothing...the word make, is taking something that exists and forming it.
As soon as God made man in verse 27, in verse 28 man was told to replenish the earth. When you replenish something, it is to add again.
This information I got from J.V. McGee in his commentary, and it is what I believe too.
There is room for many years to have passed between verses 1 and 2. So the earth could be very very old, or it could be young. We don't know. One day we will understand, there is so much more for us to learn and understand. This is not important to our understanding the rest of the Bible anyway. Genesis is where God placed man down on this earth, and we are accounted for from that point. We are told our responsibilities toward ourselves and others, and how our lives should be lived. What a Great God we serve.

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quote:
Originally posted by Eden:
But if God CREATED the earth to LOOK OLD, then God must have HAD A PURPOSE FOR DOING SO, but what was that purpose? To fool the scientists into become unbelievers?

Or, to test the Christian. To see if their belief is based upon empirical evidence (reason) or faith (by the Spirit of God).

Even today, the primary way in which the convert is gathered is through some exercise of the mind. "The Bible says such and such...do you believe that?"
"Oh, sure," says the convert not wanting to go to Hell.
"Good, you're now a Christian." the preacher goes of to add one more to the tally "People I've won for Christ."

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Re the age of the earth, I think it is a proven that many countries consist of LIMESTONE, like Egypt, and that limestone is laid when there is marine water with dying marine shells, laid down by this water in thin layers, for centuries.

There are cuts through this limestone which show how this limestone was laid down layer after layer and layer after layer.

And now this limestone is no longer under water but this limestone is THRUST UP into land of the water has SUNK INTO BASINS through earth subsidences or lowerings, so that now this LIMESTONE is exposed to the air, and eventually rivers were cut through the limestone, like the Nile.

It has also been shown that the simpler, less complex FOSSILS are farther down in the surface of the earth, while the more complex FOSSILS are nearer the top of the surface of the earth.

Given these two facts, there are 2 possibilities regarding the age of the earth:

Either the earth is 6,000 years old and God “just made it look old by arranging this limestone in layers and making the simple fossils be below the complex fossils BY CREATING THE EARTH TO LOOK OLD but in fact the earth was created, say in literal 6,000 years.

Or, the earth IS OLD as proven by the limestone layers which can only have been laid down by marine water and dying marine shell creatures, and the simpler fossils being below the complex fossils, proves that the earth is indeed OLD.

Whether God CREATED the earth to LOOK OLD or whether the earth IS OLD remains to be seen.

But if God CREATED the earth to LOOK OLD, then God must have HAD A PURPOSE FOR DOING SO, but what was that purpose? To fool the scientists into become unbelievers?

With love,
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I don't know, but where do you fit the dinosars in and Job and that sort of thing? I just was reading Genesis and was wondering. If one believes that from Genesis chapters 1-11 are 2000 years, and Genesis chapter 12-Revelation (end of New Testament)are 2,000 years.Then from the end of the New Testament is 2,000 years...that is 6,000 years, even allowing for extra years somewhere in there it Could be near 7,000 years. Is this how young you are thinking? I think the Scofield Bible has about that for setting the ages.
But still what about the dinosars, and Job?

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The following website has the most scientific and complete information regarding the belief that we inhabit a "young" earth that I think is on the Internet: http://www.yecheadquarters.org/index.html Check it out.

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me, too [hug]
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I believe the Earth in young.i Believe the world was created in 6 days and God rested on the 7th and these were literal 24 hour days
What do you all think?

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