Home / Christian Website Hosting / Christian Domain Names / Christian Search Engine

Christian Message Boards


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile | directory login | register | search | faq | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Christian Message Boards   » Bible Studies   » Bible Topics & Study   » Yeshua said be ye per[ect...

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: Yeshua said be ye per[ect...
sevenlamps
Advanced Member
Member # 6715

Icon 1 posted      Profile for sevenlamps     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Eden, you finished your post by saying Jesus was pure Holy Spirit. But your statement included by Mary. Do you believe that Jesus was God and man? Because the bible says anyone that says that Jesus came not in the flesh is antichrist. In Phillipians 4:13 it says 'we can do all things through Christ which strenghtens us'. Also if Jesus was pure Spirit what did He become when He shone before Peter,James, and John at the transfiguration? I don't mean to put you on the spot,it just seems like you wavered a little at the end when you said, 'I think'. In Mark 5:36 Jesus said,"Be not afraid,only believe". lol

--------------------
Don't grieve the Holy Spirit

Posts: 63 | From: usa | Registered: Aug 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Eden
unregistered


Icon 5 posted            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hi, becauseHElives. You said:

Matthew 5:48
Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father who is in heaven is perfect.”

Eden here:

Jesus of Nazareth was born of the Holy Spirit by overshadowing Miriam (Mary) of Nazareth and so Jesus did not come up through the Adam and Eve line of the created spirit which had become sinful. Jesus of Nazareth was born of new, fresh, Holy Spirit.

The Bible says that this made Jesus of Nazareth a second man, a new Adam, a second Adam, not a living soul like the first Adam but a quickening spirit like the second Adam, Jesus of Nazareth who rose from the dead.

I ask you then, becauseHElives, how can a man who has come up through the very sinful line of Adam and Eve for at least 6,000 years, possibly ever become ANYTHING EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT JESUS CHRIST WAS who was born of the Holy Spirit by overshadowing Miriam/Mary.

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? Since WE Adams and Eves came up through the sinful Adam and Eve line on earth, what then can the Lord Jesus mean when He says to sinful man who came up through the Adam and Eve line:

Matthew 5:48
Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father who is in heaven is perfect.”

I think that sevenlamps had part of the answer when sevenlamps said:

“We have to backtrack a few scriptures to even grasp what Jesus is implying here. In the preceding 5 verses Jesus is preparing us for this command in context by telling us to love our enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; that you may be children of your father in heaven: for He makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.”

Eden here:

Jesus was saying, “Look, the above statements is what the Father is like, and now that you are bornagain, I want YOU to try these things out too, just like the Father does them, SO THAT you may be perfect like the Father is perfect.”

Jesus has got to be aware that, unlike Jesus, we came up thru the Adam and Eve line, while Jesus was pure Holy Spirit from heaven which overshadowed Miriam. So Jesus can only be saying, “Look, this is what the Father is like, I’m just telling you and if you would be LIKE the Father, THESE are the kinds of things that you would have to do.”

“love your enemies, bless them who curse you, do good to them who hate you, and pray for them who despitefully use you and persecute you; that you may be children of your Father in heaven: for He makes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and He sends rain on the just and the unjust.”

It is an encouragement, NOT a command which Jesus expects us to ATTAIN because He KNOWS we are of the sinful Adam and Eve line, Jesus only asks us to AIM AT these lofty Fatherly characteristics.

But if we start thinking that we can also achieve them 100% of the time like Jesus who was made of pure Holy Spirit by way of Miriam/Mary, then we are fooling ourselves, I think.

with love, Eden

IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Eden
unregistered


Icon 5 posted            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hi, becauseHElives. You said:

Matthew 5:48
Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father who is in heaven is perfect.”

Eden here:

Jesus of Nazareth was born of the Holy Spirit by overshadowing Miriam (Mary) of Nazareth and so Jesus did not come up through the Adam and Eve line of the created spirit which had become sinful. Jesus of Nazareth was born of new, fresh, Holy Spirit.

The Bible says that this made Jesus of Nazareth a second man, a new Adam, a second Adam, not a living soul like the first Adam but a quickening spirit like the second Adam, Jesus of Nazareth who rose from the dead.

I ask you then, becauseHElives, how can a man who has come up through the very sinful line of Adam and Eve for at least 6,000 years, possibly ever become ANYTHING EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT JESUS CHRIST WAS who was born of the Holy Spirit by overshadowing Miriam/Mary.

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? Since WE Adams and Eves came up through the sinful Adam and Eve line on earth, what then can the Lord Jesus mean when He says to sinful man who came up through the Adam and Eve line:

Matthew 5:48
Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father who is in heaven is perfect.”

I think that sevenlamps had part of the answer when sevenlamps

IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
sevenlamps
Advanced Member
Member # 6715

Icon 1 posted      Profile for sevenlamps     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Thank you for posting this message. The Lord has recently brought this to my attention. He has been showing me several scriptures in my devotional readings on perfection. The main one that has impressed me is Matthew 5:48. Be ye therefore perfect,even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. WOW!!! What a command from the Lord! We have to backtrack a few scriptures to even grasp what Jesus is implying here. In the preceding 5 verses Jesus is preparing us for this command in context by telling us to love our enemies,bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; that you may be children of your father in heaven: for He makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust. Have you ever heard people say we are all God's children. But in this scripture Jesus is definitely making a distiction between the Father's children and those who are not. His children follow this pattern of loving their enemies. This is a requirement then to be His child. I believe when you are saved you have this determination by the Holy Spirit to obey this command. We have an enemy who plots strategies to keep us from living this way. Our victory is in obeying this command from Jesus

--------------------
Don't grieve the Holy Spirit

Posts: 63 | From: usa | Registered: Aug 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
becauseHElives
Advanced Member
Member # 87

Icon 15 posted      Profile for becauseHElives   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
A PERFECT HEART MAKES A PERFECT MAN.

“Noah was a righteous man, and perfect in his generation, and Noah walked with God.” Gen. 6:9

“And the Lord said unto Satan, Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that fears God and shuns evil?” Job 1: 8.

“The heart of David was perfect with the Lord his God.” 1Kings 11: 4, 15: 3.

“Asa's heart was perfect with the Lord all his days.” 1 Kings 15: 14.

We have grouped together four men, of all of whom Holy Scripture testifies that they were perfect men, or that their heart was perfect with God.

Of each of them Scripture testifies, too, that they were not perfect in the sense of absolute sinlessness.

We know how Noah fell.

We know how Job had to humble himself before God.

We know how sadly David sinned.

And of Asa we read that there came a time when he did foolishly, and relied on the Syrians and not on the Lord his God; when in his disease he sought not to the Lord, but to the physicians.

And yet the heart of these men was perfect with the Lord their God.

To understand this, there is one thing we must remember.

The meaning of the word “perfect” must in each case be decided by that particular stage in God's education of His people in which it is used.

What a father or a teacher counts perfection in a child of ten, is very different from what he would call so in one of twenty. As to the disposition or spirit, the perfection would be the same; in its contents, as the proofs by which it was to be judged of, there would be a wide difference. We shall see later on how in the Old Testament nothing was really made perfect; how Christ has come to reveal, and work out, and impart the true perfection; how the perfection, as revealed in the New Testament, is something infinitely higher, more spiritual and efficacious, than under the old economy. And yet at root they are one. God looks at the heart. A heart that is perfect with Him is an object of complacency and approval. A wholehearted consecration to His will and fellowship, a life that takes as its motto, WHOLLY FOR GOD, has in all ages, even where the Spirit had not yet been given to dwell in the heart, been accepted by Him as the mark of the perfect man.

The lesson which these Scripture testimonies suggest to us is a very simple, but a very searching one. In God's record of the lives of His servants there are some of whom it is written: his heart was perfect with the Lord his God. Is this, let each reader ask, what God sees and says of me? Does my life, in the sight of God, bear the mark of intense, wholehearted consecration to God's will and service? of a burning desire to be as perfect as it is possible for grace to make me? Let us yield ourselves to the searching light of this question. Let us believe that with this word PERFECT, God means something very real and true. Let us not evade its force, or hide ourselves from its condemning power, by the vain subterfuge that we do not fully know what it means. We must first accept it, and give up our lives to it, before we can understand it. It cannot be insisted upon too strongly that, whether in the Church at large and its teaching, or in the life of the individual believer, there can be no hope of comprehending what perfection is except as we count all things loss to be apprehended of it, to live for it, to accept of it, to possess it.

But so much we can understand. What I do with a perfect heart I do with love and delight, with a willing mind and all my strength. It implies a fixity of purpose, and a concentration of effort, that makes everything subordinate to the one object of my choice. This is what God asks, what His saints have given, what we must give.

Again I say to every one who wishes to join me in following through the Word of God its revelation of His will concerning perfection, yield yourself to the searching question: Can God say of me as of Noah and Job, of David and Asa, that my heart is perfect with the Lord my God? Have I given myself up to say that there must be nothing, nothing whatever, to share my heart with God and His will? Is a heart perfect with the Lord my God the object of my desire, my prayer, my faith, my hope? Whether it has been so or not, let it be so today. Make the promise of God's word your own: “The God of peace Himself perfect you.” The God, who is of power to do above all we ask or think, will open up to you the blessed prospect of a life of which He shall say: “His heart was perfect with the Lord his God.”

by Andrew Murray

--------------------
Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )

Posts: 4578 | From: Southeast Texas | Registered: Jun 2002  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator


 
Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:

Contact Us | Christian Visual Media | Privacy Statement



Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.5.0