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Eden,
I told you from the start I was not going to have that site as part of CBBS so I sure don't want it to look like it. Second you are not a client. You seem to be very rude so I would not take you as a client anyway. I was making this one for me not you. So you need not critique it any longer.
By the way try to be nice it may be the reason you seem to get kicked off other message boards if that is why you don't want any rules.
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Hi, David. You said:
“Eden,
I was trying to set up these board because you said you would like them. But you have not even been kind enough to sign up on the forums.”
Eden here:
David, I would have been kind enough to sign up on the forums if the website you created had the specifications that I proposed in my Topic, which were these:
Copied from my Topic above:
“What about a Christian forum that looks similar in format as this one, but where people only get kicked off if they commit one of 3 offenses:
“Offense 1. NO posting nude photos of humans on the Christian Forum.
“Offense 2. NO revealing personal information of other members on the Christian Forum without that person's prior permission.
“Offense 3. NO making physical threats to other members.
“(Note: If other Offenses later need to be added as offenses, that may have to happen. But for now these 3 offenses will do.)
“Other than obeying those 3 rules, let's everyone go at it.”
David, while I appreciate the effort you put into creating that website christianity-debate, it does not at all resemble this CBBS format, and those 3 offenses are nowhere to be found in it. Instead, you created a blue background website prefaced by a lot of legal disclaimers.
The reason I like THIS CBBS is because it is very easy on the eyes, very easy to read, very easy to post, and very easy to pass ideas.
David, among other things, you are website designer. If a client comes to you and asks you to make a website that looks thus and thus and says thus and thus, do you give that client something completely different looking and worded? Of course not.
So the reason I have not joined your new website is because it does not look at all like this CBBS for easy reading, etc., and because the legal disclaimers are not something for website which should have just those 3 rules.
David, you further said:
“I don't think bad mouthing me is pleasing to God. I am just trying to help but you are a very hard person to try and be nice to.”
Eden here: My posts have not been mean to you but have consistently proposed the same kind of website that I am again proposing here. I have never asked for nor desired a website like the one that you have decided to create on your own.
David, you also said:
“I agree if you want a forum then YOU need to set one up. If you did not have time to do it then you should not have suggested it.”
Eden here:
My Topic question was: “What about a forum similar to this one but with just 3 rules”. Nowhere did I state in the Topic that it needed to be done right now, because right now I also am working on another Christian project.
I also asked you how much it would cost to create one for me, and you never answered that question. Rather than create it myself, I will probably pay someone to create it for me according to the proposed specifications, when the time is ready.
Caretaker, you said:
“Perhaps Eden should join the Internet Infidels which is an atheist site and anything goes.”
Eden here:
I am not interested in joining a website owned and operated by atheists, with the idea of attracting Christians. I am only interested in a website owned and operated by Christians with the idea of attracting atheists. God needs to “own” the website, not the devil.
TEXASGRANDMA, I too like this CBBS a LOT, it’s a wonderful website, the best one of its kind that I have ever seen, and it is a lot like a church. No one is talking about changing this CBBS at all; it is wonderful as it is. But we are talking about creating a christianity-debate website IN ADDITION to this CBBS, and which has nothing to do with this CBBS.
Thanks for listening,
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David,
I appreciate this board and the work you put in it.
I like that this board is not a free for all where Christians are attacked. I do post on a yahoo site, but that is not where I get my comfort. There I know that I am in a minority. I post Bible verses and point the way to Jesus. I expect to get hammered and I do. But here I can come and have conversations with fellow believers and feel safe.
thank you
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Perhaps Eden should join the Internet Infidels which is an atheist site and anything goes.
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Eden,
I was trying to set up these board because you said you would like them. But you have not even been kind enough to sign up on the forums.
I don't think bad mouthing me is pleasing to God. I am just trying to help but you are a very hard person to try and be nice to.
I agree if you want a forum then YOU need to set one up. If you did not have time to do it then you should not have suggested it.
You are not the only person that is busy.
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Thank you, Rogg, for that information. I am currently busy with another Christian longterm project, but will probably be avaivable to set up a moderated website in about 2 years or so.
It would be wonderful if brother David would braver and just say, "come on in, you cursing sinners" and let's talk, instead of brother David still feeling that he needs to protect his family and his business with words like:
"Don't use abusive language which is agains the laws of your own country or against the laws of the country hosting this website."
Instead, David should realize that one of the NON-Christians favorite tactics is to CURSE UP A STORM WITH FOUL LANGUAGE:
Ephesians 2:3
Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Just reading some of the comments on YouTube, those are the very same comments that NON-Christians use on CHRISTIAN WEBSITE that claim that Jesus is the Only Way.
So brother David, it is RIDICULOUS to first say to NON-Christians, "Now, don't use abusive language please which is prohibited by the laws of YOUR country and/or by the laws of the country hosting the website".
If these NON-Christians have to WATCH OUT AT EVERY UTTERANCE whether it breaks a law of their country or of the host country, you are AGAIN creating an ENVIRONMENT OF POTENTIAL BANNING, BANNING, for something that comes NATURAL to a NON-Christian, NON-saved sinner, words like.....
So please, be brave and just state those 3 rules and have them say, I AGREE and LET THEM ENTER because they WILL use foul language. We need to give them space to use that foul language that non-Christians use:
2 Peter 2:7
And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked.
The only way to get them SAVED is to LET THEM BE THEMSELVES UNTIL THEY ARE SAVED, and once they are saved, they will learn how to behave better from the Word of God; they learn AFTER they are saved, NOT BEFORE they are saved.
Hence, you have to allow them to talk dirty until they are saved. Not all will talk dirty, by the way. I, for instance, came from a "good" (but unsaved) family before I was saved and did not use MANY cuss words but I did and do use SOME, even now, given a bad set of circumstances.
With Christian love,
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Dear David, the following language was copied off your new website www.christianity-debate.com. Is it really necessary to have all this legal lingo?
This is the current language that one has to read and agree to register on www.christianity-debate.com:
"By accessing “Christianity-Debate.com” (hereinafter “we”, “us”, “our”, “Christianity-Debate.com”, “http://www.christianity-debate.com”), you agree to be legally bound by the following terms."
"If you do not agree to be legally bound by all of the following terms then please do not access and/or use “Christianity-Debate.com”."
"We may change these at any time and we’ll do our utmost in informing you, though it would be prudent to review this regularly yourself as your continued usage of “Christianity-Debate.com” after changes mean you agree to be legally bound by these terms as they are updated and/or amended."
"Our forums are powered by phpBB (hereinafter “they”, “them”, “their”, “phpBB software”, “www.phpbb.com”, “phpBB Group”, “phpBB Teams”) which is a bulletin board solution released under the “General Public License” (hereinafter “GPL”) and can be downloaded from www.phpbb.com."
"The phpBB software only facilitates Internet based discussions and the GPL strictly forbids them in what we allow and/or disallow as permissible content and/or conduct. For further information about phpBB, please see: http://www.phpbb.com/.
"You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any laws be it of your country, the country where “Christianity-Debate.com” is hosted or International Law. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned, with notification of your Internet Service Provider if deemed required by us."
"The IP address of all posts are recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions. You agree that “Christianity-Debate.com” have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should we see fit. As a user you agree to any information you have entered to being stored in a database."
"While this information will not be disclosed to any third party without your consent, neither “Christianity-Debate.com” nor phpBB shall be held responsible for any hacking attempt that may lead to the data being compromised."
End of required regisration reading on www.christianity-debate.com for NON-Christians.
Eden here:
Good God, David, won't the God of Israel fight for us on your website www.christianity-com?
David, why can't you just COPY THE FORMAT FROM THIS CBBS in its ENTIRETY, COLORS AND ALL, and forget all that blue and fancy legal disclaimer language, and write AT THE TOP of this NEW website www.christianity-debate.com in BOLD RED LETTERS:
"This is a Christian website."
"If you break one (1) of the following three (3) rules YOU WILL BE BANNED FROM THIS WEBSITE:
Rule 1: NO posting porno photos on this site. If you post a porno photo, you will be banned from this website.
Rule 2: NO posting private information of another member without that member's prior consent. If you post the info anyway, you will be banned from this website.
Rule 3: No making physical threats like, "I'll kill you", to another member. If you make physical threats to another member, you will be banned from this website.
[Note: These three (3) rules are currently the only rules which, if you break them, will get you banned.
However, the owner, whose cybername on www.christianity-debate.com is David, reserves the right to add more rules if they prove to be necessary.
But for now, you will ONLY BE BANNED if you break one (1) of these three (3) rules.
I AGREE, and then they go directly into www.christianity-debate.com. No "a message has been sent to your email" and "you need to go there to activate your account, blah, blah, blah", NONE OF THAT. Just tell them what the 3 rules are, make them say, I AGREE,and let them in immediately, if not sooner.
Brother David, did the Apostle Paul first make a disclaimer before Paul began to preach, did Paul say to the unbelieving Jews standing or sitting in front of Paul, "Now brethren, before you start to use any abusive language, you must agree not to use any abusive language which breaks the laws of this country or of the country which hosts this www.christianity-debate.com?
Listen to what you asked them to do:
"You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any laws be it of your country, the country where “Christianity-Debate.com” is hosted or International Law."
Brother David, can you just put the 3 rules at the top of the website and just state that this is a Christian website and just state that you only take responsbility for what the cyberhandle DAVID says on www.christianity-debate.com., because that is you, the owner's, cyberhandle. What other people say in their cyberhandles is their responsibilyt.
Then have them say, I AGREE, and let them right into wwww.christianity-debate.com.
with love, Eden
"what is the price of liberty"?
"I mean, hurry them into the website, before they die!"
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Dear David, I wrote you in a PM regarding www.christianity-debate.com, but I would like to state here that you’re being way to “legal” in your registration process.
All that legal mumbo-jumbo, unsaved people don’t have time for it. They just want to enter the site and have their say.
Also, it is all blue and this (our) CBBS is a beautiful white with black lettering which is totally easy to read and enjoy. Please, David, make www.christianity-debate.com look a lot more like this CBBS, and only state for entry the 3 rules I suggested.
And you can add disclaimer like CBSNews does, “What follows is the opinion of the site’s registered members; I am responsible only for what I post under the cyberhandle David on www.christianity-debate.com.”
Then have them I AGREE, and immediately they can enter into an easy-to-read, easy-to-post on, Christian forum which looks just like this CBBS, but it is www.christianity-com.
All that mumbo jumbo about the registered members “breaking any laws of their home country” or of the “host country”, those unsaved people will have no idea what that exactly means, and it becomes an other barrier against them speaking out freely, “lest they break a law of their country”.
The Apostle Paul never asked for all those guarantees before HE started to preach and teach and endure the remarks from his audience. Just keep it simple, as I showed above.
For a church site like CBBS it is okay to take that kind of I AGREE time, but NOT for a site for unsaved persons, they don’t give a hoot about all that legal mumbo jumbo and find it annoying and time-consuming and "why do you want to know all that and why are you saying all that."
The unsaved just want to enter as easy as possible and have their say in there, without being "harrassed by all that legal mumbo jumbo" and "activate your membership by going to your email for confirmation" and all that kind of stuff. These are UNSAVED people, David, please hurry them into the site already!
Keep it totally simple. State only the 3 rules and your disclaimer, and hurry them in without further ado.
With love,
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Hi, David, I liked your categories on www.christianity-debate.com.
However, I think using blue is, for me, anyway, a deterrent.
May I suggest, I like what you' ve started so far in terms of categories, but can you make it look like this CBSS with its very readable format?
One MAJOR reason why I participate on THIS CBBS is because of its white-background, black letter easily readable and setup formula.
Do you think you could imitate the format of THIS CBBS also to www.christianity-debate.com?
THIS CBBS is more like going to church to recharge; until we go back among the unsaved in www.christianity-com.
I'll be registering there soon myself. Please register at the preaching site for unbelievers, which David has started.
"Lord, bless www.christianity-debate.com and let people get saved"!
Love, and thanks, David. Seek you first the kingdom of God and....
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I'm not sure that there is much spiritual "fruit" to be gained by engaging in debates about Christianity and its doctrines or beliefs in respect to those of other religions. As I remember my experience in college debates, no one on any debate team was ever particularly interested in learning any new "truth" or changing his/her opinion regarding the topic of any debate. They were only interested in securing points that would enable them to be declared the "winner" of a particularly debate. One team might "win" a debate without really proving that their proposal was absolutely better or more "truthful" than that of their opponent.
Jesus had frequent debates with various Pharisees and Scribes and other lawyers of Israel. He never lost any of these debates, as reported in the gospels. He was so good in his responses that soon his critics just stopped debating with him. Instead they set out to get him crucified.
Paul has some things to say about expressing "spiritual truths" in 1 Corinthians: quote:
This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. (2:13-15)
It can be a "fruitful" exchange to share in a discussion with someone who is open to new learnings and spiritual truth, who is willing to give some attention to the wisdom of God's Spirit, otherwise such exchanges, particularly in the format of a debate, are probably exchanges with "fools".
I'm not sure that we should be sucked into trying to display the "spiritual wisdom" that God has given to us in such worldly forums. I would like to see some evidence that apologetic debates from some top Christian debaters has really changed anyone's opinions or resulted in anyone's conversion to a position of Christian faith.
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dear brother David, I have been busy so I have not had time to respond to the rapid developments regarding other, ess-banning Christian websites, like CHRISTIANITY-DEBATE.COM.
Of the domain names you mentioned, David, I would be interested in helping to preach and teach ABOUT Jesus dying for my sins and that Jesus was the Son of God of YHWY of Israel.
Help preach and teach with a thick Christian skin (so that hopefully SOME might be saved) that Jesus Christ of Nazareth died for our sins and also that Jesus of Nazareth was the Son of the Living God of Israel, the Only God and Creator of heaven and earth. So that Jesus was no mere human; that is an important and NECESSARY part of the salvation equation, as oneinchrist explained to me.
oneinchrist reminded me that to BELIEVE in Jesus dying for my sins is NOT ENOUGH and that I CANNOT MERELY BELIEVE THAT JESUS WAS A HUMAN BEING who died for my sins.
oneinchrist reminded me that in order to to receive salvation from God I also have to BELIEVE Jesus of Nazareth was the Lord or kurios or the Son of God of Israel. To believe that Jesus was a mere HUMAN who died for me WILL NOT BE ENOUGH.
Thanks for making me aware of that, oneinchrst.
Have a blessed day in Christ, and thanks, David, for opening up CHRISTIANTIY-DEBATE.COM by this weekend, that more men and women and youngsters may be saved. May we all go to work in the vineyard of the LORD, through Jesus and the wisdom of the Holy Spirit.
with Christian love,
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I like the isea David, I started to say something and got side track,
I wish I was smart enough ,I'd start it.
you have a tallent use it for Yahweh's glory...
Yahweh bless your labours
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Oh, well guess no one was really interested in this.
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Well I have decided to set up a message board for religion debates. I have purchased the following domain names:
WWW.RELIGION-DEBATE.COM
WWW.CHRISTIANITY-DEBATE.COM
I believe since it is called Christianity Debate people will know that other religions will be posting their beliefs and debating Christianity. So Eden people will know it is a christian message board but it is a debate board.
I hope to have the boards up and online this coming week. If you will help me decide on what boards to start out with such as:
Abortion Debate
Homosexuality Debate
Catholicism Debate
Christianity Debate
etc...
This will be a different message board from this one and will start out with the rules that Eden posted.
Please let me know what you think and post some ideas.
Plow on, plow on...
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There are several or more of them I go to. One of the better ones (besides this one of course) is all-things-new.net
It has allot of prophecy, good teaching, information and general fellowship. The moderator of the board does allow skewed interpretations. Which I believe is good, because sometimes somebody that disagrees with a moderators point of view might actually be right.
David is pretty flexible like that, he lets me post here, lol ![[Smile]](smile.gif) ![[thumbsup2]](graemlins/thumbsup2.gif)
As with all prophecy, you must seek the Lord for discernment. I do take allot of prophecy given by individuals with a grain of salt, but also keep an opened mind about it.
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Except except the believer die, no fruit can be brought forth, and without fruit Yahweh will allow no man/woman eternal life
A person, who claims to be “Born Again”, claims to be a “New Creation”, claims a “New Nature”.
The person who claims to be “born Again” claims the “Seed” of Yahweh is taken root in their life.
In nature every “Seed” reproduces after its own kind. What is true in nature is true in the Spirit.
Nature is an interesting subject; nature is complex yet simple, just like the Gospel.
Simple enough for any child to understand, yet so complex an individual can spend their entire life studding one aspect of the smallest particle of nature !
Colossians 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
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Both the sufferings of the Head and of the members are called the sufferings of Christ, and make up, as it were, one body of sufferings. But He suffered for the redemption of the church; we suffer on other accounts; for we do but slightly taste that cup of afflictions of which Christ first drank deeply. A Christian may be said to fill up that which remains of the sufferings of Christ, when he takes up his cross, and after the pattern of Christ, bears patiently the afflictions God allots to him. Let us be thankful that God has made known to us mysteries hidden from ages and generations, and has showed the riches of his glory among us. As Christ is preached among us, let us seriously inquire whether he dwells and reigns in us; for this alone can warrant our assured hope of his glory. We must be faithful to death, through all trials, that we may receive the crown of life, and obtain the end of our faith, the salvation of our souls.
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Hi, GoodNewsforALL. You said:
"My late backslidden father, who was turned off b]by my in-your-face witnessing, always claimed that Jesus didn't say that we should witness, but rather that we should be a witness. That means we should emulate Jesus Christ and be more and more like him."
I noticed I incorrectly put 'my' in there. I had put an 'm' instead of a 'b' and forgot to erase the 'my.'
Because I knew my father had this attitude, I am very cautious about in-your-face witnessing. I saw him wheel around on his heels once and storm out of a church, because a man came up to him and invited him to go forward for an alter call.
Maybe it works for some people, but we have to use extreme caution and very prudent discernmnet when considering this method.
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I for one am thankful that someone getting saved is NOT dependent on how much or how little I have been able to "become more like Jesus".
Salvation isn't dependent on our becoming more like Jesus, but if we are to continue to grow after becoming saved, we have to strive to become more perfected in Jesus. After all, we are now a part of Jesus. He is the head and we are the body.
1 John 4:17 And as we live in God, our love grows more perfect. So we will not be afraid on the day of judgment, but we can face him with confidence because we live like Jesus here in this world.
John 3:30 He must become greater and greater, and I must become less and less.
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Thank God, GoodNewsforAll, everything depends ONLY on what Jesus did on the cross, and NOT on anything I do.
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Shouldn't we ALSO be a witness for unbelievers???...
What about ''What Would Jesus Do''???...
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Given the wrong set of circumstances, even we bornagain Christians are still capable of some very ugly behavior, and that's because we are sinners through and through, saved sinners yes, but sinners nonetheless.
Knowing that we are still sinners eventhough we are saved shouldn't give us the right to continue on sinning...
''do what I preach, and don't do what I do''...isn't a very good example to show unbelievers, don't you think!?!...
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Hi, GoodNewsforALL. You said:
"My late backslidden father, who was turned off by my in-your-face witnessing, always claimed that Jesus didn't say that we should witness, but rather that we should be a witness. That means we should emulate Jesus Christ and be more and more like him."
Eden here:
Romans 10:17
So then faith comes by HEARING, and hearing by the word of God.
It does NOT say that faith comes to others by "how much we look like Jesus".
In fact, our old man has been crucified and God only looks to see if we (our old man) is COVERED by the mercy seat which is Jesus Christ.
The tablets of the law inside the darkness of the ark of the covenant represented man.
But with the mercy seat on top of the ark, God did not see darkened man but sees the blood on the mercy seat only.
Defiled, corrupt, mortal human beings, even saved ones, must still wait for the redemption of this body and our righteousness is as filthy rags.
Given the wrong set of circumstances, even we bornagain Christians are still capable of some very ugly behavior, and that's because we are sinners through and through, saved sinners yes, but sinners nonetheless.
I for one am thankful that someone getting saved is NOT dependent on how much or how little I have been able to "become more like Jesus".
If humans realized more how glorious Jesus actually is (seeing that He is the Son of God and God Himself), compared to us, in when we are at our BEST, we would never say what your father said:
"...that Jesus didn't say that we should witness, but rather that we should be a witness. That means we should emulate Jesus Christ and be more and more like him."
Thank God, GoodNewsforAll, everything depends ONLY on what Jesus did on the cross, and NOT on anything I do.
with love,
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Originally posted by Eden:
So to get back to what you said, GoodNewsforAll:
"I can see trouble right here. Even though we know our views are from The Truth, we can't go around blatantly telling other people they are going to hell."
There is no need to teach like that.
with love,
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Christians may not blatantly say, "You will go to hell", but you can be sure some of them will get involved in pretty strong innuendos.
Keeping in mind that I profess to be a born-again Christian, someone on this Board directed the following comments to me.(Not you Eden). If they treat me this way, what would they say to one of those "Roman Catholics."
"I feel sorry for people like yourself that are so spiritually blind your can not or will not see the truth.
The scriptures very plainly teach if we proclaim the True Gospel the world will hate us.
I guess your one of those people that believes you can be saved and remain in the Roman Catholic Church.
I guess your one of those people that doesn’t believe in the straight and narrow path Yeshua preached."
I never responded to these personal digs, because the devil knows how to quickly get the emotions high in order to derail a thread.
In theory, I like your vision Eden, but Christians have to be mature and use careful discernment, or the whole concept will be totally futile and run off into the ditch.
My late backslidden father, who was turned off my in-your-face witnessing, always claimed that Jesus didn't say that we should witness, but rather that we should be a witness. That means we should emulate Jesus Christ and be more and more like him.
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Hi, GoodNewsforAll. You said:
"I can see trouble right here. Even though we know our views are from The Truth, we can't go around blatantly telling other people they are going to hell."
Eden here: I don't recall me or anyone else saying in this Topic that "we are going to tell other people blatantly they are going to hell"?
Christianity has many more facets to it than "just telling them that the Bible teaches that there is a hell" (tartaros, hades, and gehenna).
I think if any preacher or teacher of the Bible would continuously harp on that point, they would not get very far in their discussion with unbelievers.
There are numerous other parts to Christianity which can and should be addressed to unbelievers.
So to get back to what you said, GoodNewsforAll:
"I can see trouble right here. Even though we know our views are from The Truth, we can't go around blatantly telling other people they are going to hell."
There is no need to teach like that.
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I think that if enough thickskinned brothers and sisters are willing to speak up and teach and preach on behalf and with the help of the Lord Jesus of Israel and the help of His Father YHWY of Israel and the Holy Spirit, ALL Christians on such a non-banning Christian site would speak up vehemently for the LORD while the others speak up for their God.
I can see trouble right here. Even though we know our views are from The Truth, we can't go around blatanly telling other people they are going to hell. Such a board would never work, because it would quickly escalate into an out and out fist fight, with lots of bitterness and resentment.
Only a certain type of person would be suitable for that Board. It would one who is respectful, show the the love of Jesus and be tolerant of other poster's views, not someone who comes across as being holier than thou.
I am registered on a Catholic Board. I haven't posted there for quite awhile, but when I posted I always stayed only in their debate section. I was bold sometimes with my remarks, but they always were very tolerant of me and never kicked me off. I tried to respect their faith by not going all through the Board disputing everything they discussed among themselves. That was their Board, and I would have been quickly told to leave.
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Hi, David. You said:
“But, I would not set up a message board where false teachers can teach their false message and call the message board a Christian message board.
I would be glad to set up such a message board for free if you want to moderate it and it is not called a Christian message board.”
Eden here:
I’m sorry to disagree with you on that point. I think it should be made absolutely clear on the front page of the Christian Forum that THIS IS A CHRISTIAN forum, so that the people of other gods wilfully get onto what they know is a Christian forum.
I think that if enough thickskinned brothers and sisters are willing to speak up and teach and preach on behalf and with the help of the Lord Jesus of Israel and the help of His Father YHWY of Israel and the Holy Spirit, ALL Christians on such a non-banning Christian site would speak up vehemently for the LORD while the others speak up for their God.
I think that MY God of Israel as the Creator of heaven and earth would join me in the fight against them, and I would make it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that we are debating all this on a CHRISTIAN SITE right on the front page in BIG LETTERS.
Then let them come and attack the Christian religion, and I and others will defend our God, and God will help us.
That’s what I have in mind.
Thank you, Thunderz7, for PM-ing me some site names where this all out war for Christ is taking place. I have not yet had the chance to look at them but I will shortly. And David, I will PM the sites to you also so that you can take a look at them also.
At the same time, I can understand David's concern that David does not want the audience to think that what the devils teach is what Christianity teaches.
But I think that over time, we just have to take that chance and keep preaching and teaching the Word of God and the Word of God, if God be God which He is IMO, the God of Israel should win a few or even many battles among them.
So I don't care whether the devil people want to portray something as not coming from the Bible, the words of life of Jesus will eventually win ove who it is intended to win over, IMO, and we don't need to be concerned about that, but have faith in the power of God instead.
With love,
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That sounds like a great idea and a good name for it too! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Well the more I think about it the better I like it as long as it is not called a Christian message board.
It could feature some topic such as this one:
Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off
No-Holds Barred Battle Over the Existence of God
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=3148940
We could call it:
Religion Debate or something like that. That way one would not think that everything on the message board was what Christianity teaches.
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Eden,
Just for starters,
I never said such a site as you proposed would not work.
Two of the largest I know of are "much" as you speak of;
maybe not to the letter of your "only 3" rule,
but wide open to debate and argument.
On those sites, as I have seen happen even here,
sometimes two people will become enemies;
that is the only real term for it;
it will start over one topic, in one thread,
then one will start following the other to every thread posted on, never seeming in agreement on any topic, always arguing, never debating.
Other cases, mutual admiration groups gang up on a lone poster who happens to see things differently and hound them until they are gone.
I'm sure you can search and find places like you seek;
as I said, I hope it doesn't happen here.
That is only my opinion,
I'm not even a moderator, certainly not a site owner.
I'll PM the sites
Shalom
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Well the more I think about it the better I like it as long as it is not called a Christian message board.
It could feature some topic such as this one:
Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off
No-Holds Barred Battle Over the Existence of God
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=3148940
We could call it:
Religion Debate or something like that. That way one would not think that everything on the message board was what Christianity teaches.
RELIGION-DEBATE.COM
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David, how much would you, for instance, charge someone who wants to set up such a website?
David, would you set up such a Christian website if someone asked you to do so for them for a certain price (as a business) or if you disapproved of such a website, would you then NOT "aid and abet" their cause by NOT creating such a website for them, or would you create it for them from a business point of view?
Eden,
I do understand and think it is a good way to witness by going to other message boards and teaching the truth. You are correct.
But, I would not set up a message board where false teachers can teach their false message and call the message board a Christian message board.
I would be glad to set up such a message board for free if you want to moderate it and it is not called a Christian message board. May be call it something like "God Debate" or something like that. Let me know if you would like to try this and if you want to moderate it. I don't have time to moderate it.
Also, you are welcome to post the links to other message boards that do this. I would like to take a look at them also.
Plow on, plow on...
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Eden,
I brouse through here nearly every morning before leaving for work, but seldom post in the mornings for lack of time;
that is also the case now.
I will do my best to get back on here this afternoon or tonight with at least a PM for you.
be blessed in Jesus
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Hi, Thunderz7. You said that you were a registered member on several sites like the one I described in my Topic.
Perhaps you can private message (PM) me with the names of those several sites so that I can see what they look like and how it works or if it works? Thanks!
But perhaps here, can you share with us what you find objectionable or unworkable in those "free-for-all" sites?
I was just wondering, YHWH, the God of Israel is MY God and since I also think that YHWH is the Creatorof heaven and earth and that there IS no other God, why wouldn't I have faith on such a free-for-all forum that my God would fight alongside me as the man with the sword who showed himself to Joshua by Jericho?
If my God be God, wouldn't I win over some converts for sure? Sure, they are crass, crude and impolite in the beginning, well, because they are not saved, hello (we ourselves had our conversation among them before we were saved).
Since at least one purpose of a Christian forum is to help people get saved (other purposes are buiding up the church, and there are still others), but it seems to me that a main purpose of an Internet Christian Protestant Bible forum would be to preach and teach salvation through Jesus's death and resurrection, etc.
If people are only getting banned for the 3 offenses that I outlined in my Topic above, then the people will stay and the resilient preacher and teacher preaching the Gods of Israel will eventually AT LEAST SAVE SOME, won't he or she?
Aren't we to expect that while unsaved they will be rude, crude, and assorted other fleshy attitude. But hey, isn't that the whole idea why were are preaching and teaching?
So Thunderz7, please share with me why you think either all of such a site or part of such a site does not work and that you would rather have a CBBS like this, for instance.
Conversely, you can say also WHAT it IS that you like so much about this CBBS's format, for instance.
Thanks! I'm really looking forward to your sharing some of the reasons why you "do not go there much anymore" and why you "hope that this CBBS will never be like that."
Thanks!
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Eden,
there are boards all over the internet just like what you are saying.
I'm even regestered to a couple of them but hardly go to them anymore.
I hope CBBS never becomes one of those.
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Nobody gets kicked off that Christian site unless they commit one of those 3 offenses, and as long as they obey those 3 rules they may stay and say WHATEVER they want to say. And then, may the best God win.
Many Christian believers aren't tolerant of each other, so I can't see it working towards other faiths on certain Christian Boards.
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You can go to www.paltalk.com now and find a board that does this very thing. You will find many people claiming to be Christians but they are teaching lies. I do not want any part of it.
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The most important person in history is Jesus of Nazareth. All of Western Civilization has been influenced by Him. Jesus walked the land of Israel 2000 years ago, healed the sick, forgave sins, and preached a gospel of goodness, love, peace, joy, and . . . intolerance. That is right. Jesus was intolerant. Jesus said,
Jesus *said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me" (John 14:6).1
"I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins" (John 8:24).
"All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son, except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father, except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him" (Matt. 11:27).
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness" (Matt. 23:27).
How is it that Jesus could be so loving and truthful and yet be so religiously intolerant at the same time? It is easy. He, being the God incarnate (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9), rightly pointed to Himself alone as the only way to God, the only one who could reveal the true nature of God, heaven, salvation, and the divine will. He proved who He was by fulfilling prophecy, performing miracles, curing sickness, walking on water, and rising from the dead.
This is not to say, though, that Christians have an excuse to be intolerant, hateful, or judgmental towards those of differing faiths. On the contrary, we are called to live in love and harmony. But, still, truth is a very serious issue. As a Christian, I am committed to following the Lord Jesus and what He stands for. His word, the Bible, is the revelation of God to His people and it contains the truths revealed from God about Himself and what He desires for us. Is this important? Of course! Because if God says it, that is the standard of truth.
Okay, so some might be saying "That is your truth to believe in the Christian God and not mine." Such is the typical relativism in the world today and it is precisely the point at issue here. Truth is not contradictory. We cannot have the Mormon god (an exalted man from another planet who has a goddess wife), be the same truth as the New Age god (a semi-non-personal essence of divine consciousness). It is not a simple matter of "Your truth vs. my truth." God is not self-contradictory. God has revealed Himself and He warns us to worship Him in truth, not error.
Religious tolerance is very important because as Christians we need to love our neighbors and our enemies. You cannot do that by hating them and condemning them. Nevertheless, religious tolerance does not mean that we Christians have to agree with the doctrines of contradictory faiths, especially when they oppose the Bible. On the contrary, we are supposed to confront false doctrines. Why? Because false gods do not save anyone. Only the true God saves people from their sins.
http://www.carm.org/features/religioustolerance.htm
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>>> MY God is the LORD (YHWH) God (Elohim) of Israel, I think that HE is the Creator of heaven and earth, and NO ONE ELSE IS the Creator of heaven and earth.
Yes I would have a problem with setting up a message board for others to promote false God's. It is not up for debate with me who has the real God. I don't think the God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob is the real God, I KNOW He is and the ONLY real God. It is not up for debate. Once someone is born again they KNOW there is ONLY ONE WAY. To open it up for debate would give people the message that there may be some doubt. Born-again believers in Jesus Christ know Him and He knows them. They don't doubt Him.
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What about a Christian forum that looks similar in format as this one, but where people only get kicked off if they commit one of 3 offenses:
Offense 1. NO posting nude photos of humans on the Christian Forum.
Offense 2. NO revealing personal information of other members on the Christian Forum without that person's prior permission.
Offense 3. NO making physical threats to other members.
(Note: If other Offenses later need to be added as offenses, that may have to happen. But for now these 3 offenses will do.)
Other than obeying those 3 rules, let's everyone go at it, all the Islamists and Christians and Darwinists and Atheists and Agnostics and Bhuddists (and whoever they are), let them all have their say without the threat of being kicked off the site hanging over their heads, and then, let's see, May the best God win!
Nobody gets kicked off that Christian site unless they commit one of those 3 offenses, and as long as they obey those 3 rules they may stay and say WHATEVER they want to say. And then, may the best God win.
MY God is the LORD (YHWH) God (Elohim) of Israel, I think that HE is the Creator of heaven and earth, and NO ONE ELSE IS the Creator of heaven and earth.
IN that ongoing debate on such a Christian forum, I would be FOR the LORD God of Israel, and others would presumably be there too to speak and teach for the LORD.
And whoever THEY are for, let's talk.
With Christian love, "Let us not condemn people who come to the site for ANYTHING, because Satan is capable of ANYTHING, but let's listen to them with thick Christian skins until they became saved people."
What do you think of a website where no one gets kicked off, brothers and sisters in Christ, I have asked God to give me enough money to have such a webite one day.
Do you think that it could work or would work? I'm interested in your thoughts.
David, how much would you, for instance, charge someone who wants to set up such a website?
David, would you set up such a Christian website if someone asked you to do so for them for a certain price (as a business) or if you disapproved of such a website, would you then NOT "aid and abet" their cause by NOT creating such a website for them, or would you create it for them from a business point of view?
I'd be interested to hear any answers from anyone about whether such a Christian website with just 3 rules would work.
Probably a lot of servers would be needed, huh?
Thanks, everyone,
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