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Evangelist Smith
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Amen that is a sad truth that few will repent and turn to Christ as their Saviour.And can you imagine the utter despair and regret thruout the endless ages knowing that all hope , all hope is gone for them to be saved ...How sad that they chose to reject Christ and have that blessed hope that one day they would spend all eternity with our Blessed Saviour and Redeemer.
My my its like preaching to a wall today, mocking God and His Word,end times ,end times.
Godbless you brother
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Eden
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Hi, Evangelist Smith. You said:
How sad it is when a brother or sister believes that we serve a God who only wants a selected handful to be saved, when His Precious Sinless Son gave His life and blood for ALL.
Eden here:
Yes, Jesus did die for all on the cross, but not all will accept the fact that He died for them, they say things like, “I don’t need anyone to die for me, I can do my own dying, thank you.”
There will still be many unbelievers by the time the Lord Jesus returns to take possession of the earth. It’s not God’s fault because God made provision for ALL men to be saved, by binding up ALL that belongs to the FIRST Adam on the cross with Jesus:
1 Corinthians 1
30 But of him are you in Christ Jesus, who of God is made to us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Romans 6
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Galatians 2
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
But the Bible makes clear that a lot of people, in fact the majority of the people on earth, will not accept God's offer of salvation thru Jesus's death, and so NOT ALL will be saved. In fact the majority will not be save themselves:
Matthew 7
13 Enter in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many there be who go in thereat.
So there will be more lost than saved, according to Jesus Himself.
Be blessed and saved unto the end,
Eden
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Evangelist Smith
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I am in the same situation right now trying to show a few Christians that Christ died for all
that it is NOT His wish that any should perish but that all come to repentance
How sad it is when a brother or sister believes that we serve a God who only wants a selected handful to be saved, when His Precious Sinless Son gave His life and blood for ALL
God bless
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Primoa1970
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David...
You are correct....it is God's desire that all men be saved...that is absolutely true according to God's Word.
I would consider myself a Calvinist. But I also know that the free will of man and the sovereignty of God work hand in hand with each other. We do have a choice but God is the one who has to prompt us to make that choice. The Holy Spirit of God is the agent who has to penetrate our mind, body and soul in order for us to believe. In other words....we need an outside agent to save us (i.e. the Holy Spirit of God). We could never choose God on our own because of our sinful state and our spiritual blindness to the truth. The elect only become the elect after they say yes to the prompting.....and who is the one who allows us to say yes?....God.
This has always been a hot topic here on the bbs ever since I first signed up way back when.....
But I still love all of you....especially my brothers and sisters in Christ. Can't wait to meet all of you on the other side someday as we praise God forever and ever!
May God be praised.......
-Primo
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9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
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BigHead
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yes,, God want all men to be saved
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KnowHim
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Yes Larry you are correct. Jesus died on the cross for all. The people you are refering to are called Calvinist. They think they are the only ones that can be saved. For some reason they think they are chosen and others are just here to go to hell. Which in turn will make them believe they are better then other people. This just does not fit in with the context of the entire bible. My bible says Jesus died for all. I do not believe that Limited Atonement is correct. Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, not just for the sins of the elect. “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world” (1 John 2:2). Other verses in opposition to limited atonement are John 1:29; 3:16; 1 Timothy 2:6.
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if ANY man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the WHOLE world. ~ 1 John 2:1-2 (KJV) Notice: (ANY and WHOLE)
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. ~ John 1:29 (KJV)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. ~ John 3:16 (KJV) Notice: (WHOSOEVER)
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for ALL, to be testified in due time. ~ 1 Timothy 2:5-6 (KJV) Notice: (ALL)
Question: "What is Calvinism and is it Biblical? What are the five points of Calvinism?"
Answer: The five points of Calvinism can be summarized with the letters TULIP. T stands for total depravity, U for unconditional election, L for limited atonement, I for irresistible grace, P for perseverance of the saints. Here are the definitions and Scripture references Calvinists use to defend their beliefs. Total Depravity = as a result of Adam’s fall the entire human race is affected; all humanity is dead in trespasses and sins. Man is unable to save himself (Genesis 6:5; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3:10-18).
Unconditional Election = Because man is dead in sin, he is unable to initiate response to God; therefore, in eternity past God elected certain people to salvation. Election and predestination are unconditional; they are not based on man’s response (Romans 8:29-30; 9:11; Ephesians 1:4-6,11-12).
Limited Atonement = Because God determined that certain ones should be saved as a result of God’s unconditional election, He determined that Christ should die for the elect alone. All whom God has elected and Christ died for will be saved (Matthew 1:21; John 10:11; 17:9; Acts 20:28; Romans 8:32; Ephesians 5:25). Irresistible Grace = Those whom God elected and Christ died for, God draws to Himself through irresistible grace. God makes man willing to come to Him. When God calls, man responds (John 6:37,44; 10:16). Perseverance of the Saints = The precise ones God has elected and drawn to Himself through the Holy Spirit will persevere in faith. None whom God has elected will be lost; they are eternally secure (John 10:27-29; Romans 8:29-30; Ephesians 1:3-14).
I believe that Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Irresistible Grace, and Perseverance of the Saints are Biblical doctrines. Man is definitely sinful and incapable of believing in God on his own. God elects people based on His will alone – it is not based on any merit in the person chosen. All those whom God has chosen will come to faith. All those who are truly born-again will persevere in their faith. However, I do not believe that Limited Atonement is correct. Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, not just for the sins of the elect. “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world” (1 John 2:2). Other verses in opposition to limited atonement are John 1:29; 3:16; 1 Timothy 2:6.
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Larry McCully
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I know he does also, it is just that i came across a bunch of christians that believe he doesnt. I wanted to see if i was correct or not. Thanks
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lonlesol
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That is an easy one...of course He does...unfortunately, not all will be saved because all have a choice to make and not everyone makes the right one...
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Larry McCully
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I want to ask a question. Does God want all men to be saved ?
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