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WKUHilltopper
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pre-marital sex=fornication
extra-marital sex,lusting, etc=adultry
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BrianGrass1234
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You have a good argument in there.
Genesis 2:24 (King James Version)
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Could we agree that one flesh means married.
and then
1 Corinthians 6:16 (King James Version)
What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
Therefore, it looks to me that anytime we engage in sex we are becoming one flesh. So the first person you have sex with is now you spouse and if you have sex with anyone else that would then be adultry.
So mabey there is no such thing as premarital sex, but the first time you have sex you are consumating your marriage to that person.
With this reasoning it would be a good idea to wait till you found the person you will be married to the rest of your life before you consumate that marriage, otherwise you couldn't get married to to anyone else without commiting adultry against the first person you had sex with.
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Only the marriage bed in undefiled...
Heb 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
All sex outside the marriage bed is sin. GOd created sex because it represents the union of two as one... this is a picture in the natural of the union of the church and Christ in which we become one body with HIM. It is a covenant relationship.
All sex except sex that is sex between the partners of covenant marriage is fornication.
Adultry is fornication, beastiality is fornication, homsexual sex is fornication. All sex not between a husband and a wife is fornication.
This is the word in Hebrew...
and how it is translated...
02181 hnz zanah zaw-naw’
a primitive root [highly-fed and therefore wanton]; v; {See TWOT on 563}
AV-...harlot 36, go a whoring 19, ...whoredom 15, ***** 11, commit fornication 3, whorish 3, harlot + 0802 2, commit 1, continually 1, great 1, ***** ’s + 0802 1; 93
1) to commit fornication, be a harlot, play the harlot
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to be a harlot, act as a harlot, commit fornication
1a2) to commit adultery
1a3) to be a cult prostitute
1a4) to be unfaithful (to God) (fig.)
1b) (Pual) to play the harlot
1c) (Hiphil)
1c1) to cause to commit adultery
1c2) to force into prostitution
1c3) to commit fornication
This is Greek....
4202 porneia porneia por-ni'-ah
from 4203; TDNT-6:579,918; n f
AV-fornication 26; 26
1) illicit sexual intercourse
1a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
1b) sexual intercourse with close relatives; #Le 18:6-23
1c) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; #Mr 10:11,12
2) metaph. the worship of idols
2a) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols
The reason that sex in the Bible is associated with the ideas of idolatry and unfithfulnes is that sex as created by God is one in which each party does not own his own body but gives it over to the partner for the partner's pleasure... sex is a natural represntation of the scriptural precepts of Agape love, surrender of self, submission to authority; the emptying of self to the one with whom we are joined.bodily, pledged loyality to.
In the Garden the substance of woman was taken out of man and then GOd presented her to HIM and they were to become one flesh... God viewed them as ADAM... but they were two who would better serve GOD as 4 arms and 4 legs etc.. functioning as one being.. one authority over the creation and under God.
This was a picture of the church... the pierced side of Christ flowed with blood of the covenant and water also of the life of Jesus that was shed for the brithing of the church who would through the receiving of the SPirit of God become HIS body...one body under the authority of the Father.
Marriage is consumated by the sexual union... it is a natural act that is given to us to understand God's love and authority.
This is why any sex that is not between man and wife is fornication... a sin against GOd and a sin against the body itself.
1Co 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
1Co 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
This word "know"... is a word that speaks to the Knowing as a woman is known of her husband in the intimacy of marriage...
1Jo 2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
1) to learn to know, come to know, get a knowledge of perceive, feel
1a) to become known
2) to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of
2a) to understand
2b) to know
3) Jewish idiom for sexual intercourse between a man and a woman
4) to become acquainted with, to know
For Synonyms see entry 5825
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BrianGrass1234
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What I'm trying to say is this. Fornication in some translations come form the greek word poreia. In different transations and different dictionaries this word gets translated to english with several words and definitions. Fornication is one that is used. However, because Fornication is any sex out side of marriage, and this word would include adultry, fornication would be redundant in many of the verses it is used in.
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Mat 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
So I tend to lean towards definitions that refer to Illicit Sex or Sexual Immorality. Which would then be difined as the illicit sexual acts defined in OT law, which does not include sex outside of marriage as long as it does not fall under the stated sins in the law.
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It is very easy to see unless you just don't want to see it:
Fornication: Sexual intercourse between partners who are not married to each other.
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Romans 1:29 (KJV)
13Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body. 14And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power. 15Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. 1 Corinthians 6:13 through 1 Corinthians 6:15 (KJV)
18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.
1 Corinthians 6:18 through 1 Corinthians 6:20 (KJV)
8Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 1 Corinthians 10:8 (KJV)
3But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Ephesians 5:3 (KJV)
3For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 1 Thessalonians 4:3 (KJV)
7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 1:7 (KJV)
Along with all other kinds of sexual immorality, sex before marriage / premarital sex is repeatedly condemned in Scripture (Acts 15:20; Romans 1:29; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13,18; 7:2; 10:8; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Jude 7). The Bible promotes abstinence before marriage. Sex before marriage is just as wrong as adultery and other forms of sexual immorality, because they all involve having sex with someone you are not married to. Sex between a husband and his wife is the only form of sexual relations that God approves of (Hebrews 13:4).
Sex before marriage has become so common for many reasons. Far too often we focus on the “recreation” aspect of sex without recognizing the “re-creation” aspect. Yes, sex is pleasurable. God designed it that way. He wants men and women to enjoy sexual activity (within the confines of marriage). However, the primary purpose of sex is not pleasure, but rather reproduction. God does not outlaw sex before marriage to rob us of pleasure, but to protect us from unwanted pregnancies and children born to parents who do not want them or are not prepared for them. Imagine how much better our world would be if God’s pattern for sex was followed: fewer sexually transmitted diseases, fewer un-wed mothers, fewer unwanted pregnancies, fewer abortions, etc. Abstinence is God’s only policy when it comes to sex before marriage. Abstinence saves lives, protects babies, gives sexual relations the proper value, and most importantly honors God.
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Hebrews 13:4 is very specific, at least in the AV 1611 (good grief, lets question the verse! lets say it does not say that in the hebrew and the greek! let us pretend we read only the original autographs! let us call vaticanus and sinaticus the oldest and the best manuscripts! lets treat westcott and hort like the two witnesses! good grief, lets be just like lost fools [psalm 14:1, 54:1]);
'MARRIAGE IS HONORABLE IN ALL, AND THE BED UNDEFILED: BUT WHOREMONGERS AND ADULTERERS GOD WILL JUDGE."
HOW PLAIN DOES IT NEED TO GET BEFORE THOSE WHO ARE LOST IN TRESPASSES AND SINS GET IT? 2 COR 4;4!
WHAT IS A WHOREMONGER BUT ONE WHO STANDS FOR WHOREMONGERING. A MONGER IS ONE WHO PUSHES A BEHAVIOR OR A PRODUCT, LIKE A FISH MONGER. SO ITS A SIN TO ADVOCATE UNMARRIED SEX as well as to do it.
SO YOU AIN'T GOT NO FRIENDS OF YOUR SOULS ANYMORE IN ANY MODERN POLITICAL PARTY AND WORRYING ABOUT IT IS SORT OF IRRELEVANT. FOR THOSE WHO MAKE AN IDOL OUT OF THE COUNTRY THEIR FIRST ADAM WAS BORN IN.
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT WHERE IT SERVES JESUS AND YAWN WHEN IT LEAVES YOU IN THE DUST.
I read somewhere where somebody was wondering if it said anything in the NT about sodomy.
not only does it say it, but it also blasts bible correctors, stupid jesting behind the pulpit and vaudevillian christianity.
sanctified means set apart.
if that is popular anymore, this ain't 2006.
Jude;
"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgement of the great day.
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
Note that one has to have a knowledge of old testament scriptures to have any idea what Jude is discussing? "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine..." {note: for DOCTRINE IS THE FIRST MENTIONED REASON FOR GIVING SCRIPTURES}...
And despite offending the haught citizens of the existential blather of the Un and its allied forces under a certain man of sin and his red birds, hell is eternal fire, and not just a separation from God.
"Likewise also" as though they had not transgressed enough " these filthy dreamers" the dreams they have are filty in the eyes of the Holy God of the universe "defile the flesh" defile as in sewage and sewers and rotten and spoiled and worthless "despise dominion" no body can correct or reason with them "and speak evil of dignities."
No respect for anything but their own vile and filthy ways.
"Yet Michael the archangel when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses durst not bring against him a railing accusation but said the Lord rebuke thee."
"But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally as brute beasts in those things they corrupt themselves."
In verse 12 they are judged in advance: twice dead!
Their end is known: "to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever."
Nothing in the New Testament, huh, about Sodomy. And Sodomites are not just same sex but anyone who practices such unnatural things.
Jude must know about the hot flame that burns without giving light.
Thats the hot flame. Super hot.
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Originally posted by BrianGrass1234:
To Shadowmaker, I didn't check all your referances, just the fist couple, in the NIV, and they were refering to sexual immorality, which doesn't answer my original question.
Pick up a copy of the King James version or just go to goggle and read the last 2 verus on that list.
As was already said, you re not going to have a verus that says "thou shalt not have sex". But fornication is sex outside marriage. And the KJ version uses that word and says not to do it.
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Brian,
You will not find any words in the bible that says exactly what you are looking for... there I said it...
But what you will find is this:
Jesus said that if we so much as look upon a woman with lust in our heart then we have commited adultry.
I think that is enough said. and Adultry is a sin.
You are not going to have sex with a man nor a woman unless there is some for of lusting there. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar.
While yes you can have sex because you love someone, there will still be some lust there. Everyone who is honest will agree with that.
I hope I have answered your question. I have answered to the best of my ability.
But there is no where in the bible that says "Thou shalt not have sex before marriage." But there is verses in the bible that relates to pre marrital sex. These verses have been covered in the post previously expressed.
Again You will not find the exact wording.
But you already know in your heart what God wants and does not want you to do.
God bless.
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Let me say that I'm not questioning the morality of pre-marital sex, nor am I questioning whether or not it is a sin. I see it as a sin in that any way you look at it, it is a stumbling block for our brothers in that it is commonly accepted as immoral behavior.
That said, I know that all through the new and old testaments the Bible speaks against sexual immorality, and defines different types. I also know that in some versons of the bible it will it will interchange words like fornication, which does mean any sex outside of marriage, for sexual immorality in other versions. I'm am inclined to see fornication being used to define sexual immorality and not specifically sex out side of marriage. I'm just looking for the passage that defines sex out side of marriage between two consenting, non related, opposite sex adults who are not married to others as wrong.
To Shadowmaker, I didn't check all your referances, just the fist couple, in the NIV, and they were refering to sexual immorality, which doesn't answer my original question.
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I don't beleive that Brian ment any harm by his question that he asked. I truly beleive he wanted information. A great deal of patience is needed when dealing with sexual immorality with people who do not understand why it is immoral.
Brian. I beleive that you know sex before marriage is a sin by now. If you do not please post your concerns and we will do our best to answer your questions.
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Is sex before marraige sin?
Is stoning a people to death because of adultery sin?
Did Sodom and Gomorrah and surrounding inhabitants been destroyed for their sexual sins?
Is lying sin?
Is polygamy sin?
Is homosexuality sin?
Is sex with a child sin?
Is sex with a boy sin?
If an inch is given, will man take a foot?
How many nations go to war over polygamous afairs?
We are living the affect of sex before marraige in the world, which is disease, abandoment of babies; abortions-which I believe is the worse murderer!
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here is the way I feel about it...
I know I am going to get a lashing for this but here goes.
If you have to question if something is right or wrong then it is usually wrong.
But just because you have sex doesn't mean that God hates you. He loves you. We all fall short of the glory of God.
Man has been trying to justify sexual immorality bibicaly for years now. It just can't be done. You can choose to accept one part of the bible and ignore others (this would be wrong of course) or you can choose to beleive it as a whole.
The Bible says very simply that sex before Marriage is a sin in very simple words.
I think the majority of us on this board might be guilty of breaking that order not to do it.
But we can all do our best to withstand the temptation of it. All will sin. But thank God for Jesus Christ for dying for us to forgive us of that sin and all others.
But do please pray about it and do your best not to place your self in that situation where you will violate your self like that, and cause someone else to sin.
Be strong in the lord and he will provide a way out of any situation that is wrong if you choose to look for it.
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Fornication/whoremonger is sex before marriage.
Matt 15:19
Mark 7:21
Acts 15:20
Romans 1:29
1 Cor 6:9
2 Cor 12:21
Gal 5:19
**Hebrews 13:4
**1 Thess 4:3
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Yes, I had already seen that web site.
The 1 Corinthians 7 referance is close also, but in other versions, it refers to immorality and also in context appears to incourage marriage to help ensure that persons do not fall into sexually immoral behavior, but not neccessarly define sex before marriage as wrong.
Marriage is defined in the Bible and sex is defined in the bible, but I can't seem to find that sex, between to single, non-related persons, is not allowed.
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I did find the thread regarding pre-marital sex, but scanning through it I wasn't finding my answer.
I can't seem to find in the Bible where it says pre-marital sex is not allowed. I looked all over the internet and the closest referance I can find Is where Paul says that if not having sex is to hard for you, you should go get married. I find that any referances to sexual immorality is not applicable due to the only sexual sins that would fall under sexual immorality are the ones listed in Old Testament Law;
Sex with a married person or if your married sex with someone else than your spouse.
Sex with the same sex.
Sex with animals.
Sex with close relatives.
Sex with a girl on their period.
I know everybody knows pre-marital sex is wrong, just I want to know were is specifies this in the Bible.
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