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Hitch
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Hitch, that was great! I was happy to see the perspective you give this--it is not one that is easy to see, but it is the most bottom line. Resurrection and the life and death that the bible talks about (for the most part, and especially Genesis and Revelation
Iagree. I think that when Jesus said to Martha "I AM The resurrection!" this is exactly what he was saying.
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I agree. I think that when Jesus said to Martha "I AM The resurrection!" this is exactly what he was saying.
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Hitch, that was great! I was happy to see the perspective you give this--it is not one that is easy to see, but it is the most bottom line. Resurrection and the life and death that the bible talks about (for the most part, and especially Genesis and Revelation) is not the same as what we perceive with carnally-oriented minds.
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Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
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Thunderz7
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Part of John's message is that even these martyrs ,though brutally murdered , are still active participants in the Kingdom.
I can also see participation in -
Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
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Hitch, do you see any realtion in the souls in Rev.20:4 and the souls in Rev.6:9-11?
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9 ¶ And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
T7
I reckon them to be of the same generation. The first generation of chrisitan believers, specificly in your passage and a more generalized version in R20.
We all must participate in the First Resurrection, obviously though God has not called all of us to be martyrs. Especially first generation martyrs and I assume they will be rewarded accordingly.
Have you ever thought John's inclusion of beheading could be an allusion to Paul? Part of John's message is that even these martyrs ,though brutally murdered , are still active participants in the Kingdom.
Take care
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Hitch, do you see any realtion in the souls in Rev.20:4 and the souls in Rev.6:9-11?
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9 ¶ And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
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Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Colossians 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of GOD.
Looking at Rev.20:4 with the thought of "Yashua as Head and born again believers as the body",
those souls have given the headship over to Jesus, and are no longer self-headed.
They have the headship of Christ, and not the mark of the beast-nature headship.
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Yup. Thery were formerly dead and now live in Christ
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Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Colossians 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of GOD.
Looking at Rev.20:4 with the thought of "Yashua as Head and born again believers as the body",
those souls have given the headship over to Jesus, and are no longer self-headed.
They have the headship of Christ, and not the mark of the beast-nature headship.
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Rev 20:4-6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
(KJV)
The purpose here is to show cause why the 'First Resurrection' is the regeneration (born-again) of the believer and not a Resurrection of the body.
The believer today meets all the requirements of the definition.
He is 'blessed and made holy'(II cor 5;21) because he is a partner in the Resurrection of Christ.This is how we become joint -heirs. Any one denying the Resurrrection of Christ is antichrist as unless He was raised bodily from the dead our faith is nothing.
Pete refers to the Church as;
1 Pet 2:5
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
(KJV)
John of course concurrs; (note the tense)
Rev 1:6
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
(KJV)
This 'priesthood' is entirely populated by those who 'overcome'. As Paul writes;
Rom 8:36-37
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
(KJV)
Conquerors and overcomers are translated from the same original word. Every christian is expected to be faithful even unto death, so being 'more than conquerors' is the status of all believers in Christ, whether events demonstrated this in life (martyerdom) or not. Every believer
is passed from death unto life. And is securely covered under the Blood of Christ. This renders him free from the power of the 'second death' and allows him to
reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.
Thus each requirement as liniated in v6 is already accomplished in the believer.
It is as important as it is common to refer to the born-again believer as being 'raised up,,formerly dead...
Eph 2:5-6
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
(KJV)
Eph 2:1
1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
(KJV)
I Jn 3:14
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
(KJV)
The pattern here follows;
Num 19:11-12
11 He that toucheth the dead body of any man shall be unclean seven days.
12 He shall purify himself with it on the third day, and on the seventh day he shall be clean: but if he purify not himself the third day, then the seventh day he shall not be clean.
(KJV)
With our 'patnership' in the 'First Resurrection', which came on the Third day. we gain newness of life through the righteousness of Christ imputed judically. This is common to all believers and without it we cannot be seen as 'clean' on the seventh day (last day).
All must participate in the 'third day cleansing' or 'First Resurrection' . Every believer must have a part here. But not every believer will be raised bodily. By the same token every believer must be raised spiritually.
Of course Christ offered up His body as a Sacrfice and neeeded not be raised in the spiritual sense, as we do. So His Resurrection does not require the second step. Thus for the believer, the First Resurrection is first in order and importance.
Take care
Hitch
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