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HisGrace
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I heard it recently explained that when we become born again the fruits of the spirit are planted deep within our very being.
However, there is still a lot of junk up in the second layer that has to be uprooted, and it is sometimes difficult for all of this greatness to come filtering through.
That is when the tests come in. The Holy Spirit places us in trials where we find ourselves in our weakest area so that this junk is revealed. He chooses to put us in such a scenerio, in order to make us aware that there was something inside that we didn't even realize was a problem.
There is this constant battle between outside forces and the deep inner spirit to keep the soul pure. The preacher explained that it was like a sqeezing process.
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We can know, before we even look, that when there is a seeming contradicion a Figure of Speech is being employeed, which ones and the meaning may be more studious. Mmmmm, ggrrraaaammmmaaarrr, YUM.
I could just tell you, but it is better if you do the work with me, this way you can know whether or not a thing is so:-
Firstly, ALL of John's epistles are written during the Acts period, and ONLY Paul wrote to non Jews, so this has to do with the Jews and the law, from being able to overcome and unable because of the specified seedlines.
1Jo 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
This IS NOT written for the gentiles, but we are privaliged to be able to read God's other childrens letters even though they are not specifically for us, unlike John's Gospel which IS written for the whole world, and the only book in the entire Bible written to non believers that they can know and beleive that they have life on His name.
1 John 1. 7
The 'if' here given is followed by the Subjunctive Mood, it expresses a hypothetical but possible condition, contingent on circumstances which the future will show (John 7:17).
'as He' refers to the Father as does 2. 4; 'one with another' = with one another, not with fellow-believers, but with the Father and the Son.
'sin' = hamartia = a failing to hit the mark; aberration from prescribed law. In N.T. always in a moral sense (not physical sense) = a sin, whether by omission or commission, in thought, word, or deed. Also used in connection with the sin-offering (Heb. 10:6, 8, 18; 13:11, as in Ps. 40:6, cp. Lev. 5:8).
ALSO here, 'sin' is the Figure Met'-a-lep'-sis; or, Double Metonymy (Gen. 19:8. Ecc. 12:6. Hos. 14:2). Two metonymies, one contained in the other, but only one expressed.
Met-o'-ny-my; or, Change of Noun. When one name or noun is used instead of another, to which it stands in a certain relation. For ex. instead of saying let me get some money, I say, let me get some cake, one noun used in place of another;
1. Of the Cause. When the cause is put for the effect (Gen. 23:8. Luke 16:29).
2. Of the Effect. When the effect is put for the cause producing it (Gen. 25:23. Acts 1:18).
3. Of the Subject. When the subject is put for something pertaining to it (Gen. 41:13. Deut. 28:5).
4. Of the Adjunct. When something pertaining to the subject is put for the subject itself (Gen. 28:22. Job 32:7).
V.8
no = not as in v.4
V.9
'faithful' = ADJECTIVE.
pistos occurs 67 times, and is rendered "faithful" 54 times. It is necessary to give the references, as it is the only word so translated. It is translated "sure" in Acts 13:34, "true" in 2Cor. 1:18. 1Tim. 3:1, and 10 times "believer", "he that believeth", &c. : viz. John 20:27. Acts 10:45; 16:1. 2Cor. 6:15. 1Tim. 4:3, 10, 12; 5:16; 6:2.
Personal note -=- do you have faith? what? faith by itself is meaningless, one must have faith in something, or belief in something. The something is the noun, for an adjective must be qualified by a noun.
'just' = dikaios = just, righteous.
'to' = hima, as in v.3. Lit. in order that He might forgive.
'forgive' = aphiemi = to send off or away from one's self (in any manner); hence, to dismiss. Cp. Matt. 13:36.
'unrighteousness' = adikia = unrighteousness, wrongdoing (synonymous word for sin).
V.10
'sinned' = The Verb. hamartano = to miss the mark or aim; then, to miss or wander from the right path; to go, or do, wrong.
'liar' = we must supply "of the Lords minstry"
'word' = logos = the word (spoken, as a means or instrument, not as a product); the expression (both of sayings and of longer speeches); hence, an account, as in Matt. 12:36; 18:23. Luke 16:2. Acts 19:40. Rom. 9:28; 14:12. Phil. 4:17. Heb. 13:17. 1Pet. 4:5.
1 John 3. 9
'Whosoever' = everyone who
'born' = begotten
'of' = k governs only one case (the Genitive), and denotes motion from the interior. It is used of time, place, and origin. It means out from as distinguished from apo, which means off, or away from. Ek marks the more immediate origin, while apo marks the more remote origin; of expressing the intermediate meanings.
(apo governs only one case (the Genitive), and denotes motion from the surface of an object, as a line drawn from the circumference; it thus stands in contrast with ek, which denotes a line drawn from the centre; while para denotes a line drawn as a tangent.).
'God' = Father
'not' = ou (before a vowel ouk ; before an aspirated vowel ouch) = no, not; expressing full and direct negation, independently and absolutely; not depending on any condition expressed or implied.
'commit' doeth = active and intentional practice
'sin' = hamartia as in ch. 1
'remaineth' = the same as abideth, or abide. If we abide then we remain. One cannot remain if one is not constant. Some say you can lose the Salvation of God, but regain it as long as one is abiding in Christ which, of course, is a failure to understand the meaning of remaining constant, for one cannot be remaining if one falls into and out of whatever it may be, in this case sin.
'in' = en governs only one case (the Dative), and denotes being or remaining within, with the primary idea of rest and continuance. It has regard to place and space (e.g. Matt. 10:16. Luke 5:16), or sphere of action (e.g. Matt. 14:2. Rom. 1:5, 8; 6:4).
It is also used for the efficient cause as emanating from within, and hence has sometimes the force of by, denoting the instrument, with, passing on to union and fellowship; en denoting inclusion, and sun (pronounced 'soon' = together with to make complete as in Col 3. 3, with Christ) denoting conjunction. En denotes also continuance in time (Matt. 2:1; 27:40. John 11:10).
2. with plural = among.
'cannot' = is not (by active purposeful intent) able [to remain]
'sin' = The Verb hamartano = to miss the mark or aim; then, to miss or wander from the right path; to go, or do, wrong.
'born' = begotten
'of' = ek = out from
'God' = Father
V.10
'children' = literal physical seedline
The moral of the grammar is that being of the seed of that wicked one (tares) lends to the active practice of habitual following after that father (lower case 'f' - see John 8. 37-44 for the argument, whereas being of the good seed (Gr. sperma) lends towards taking note of falling short and the desire to please God by way of purposeful having the after-mindedness to discontinue and turn, re-turn unto the Father, knowing purposeful and active sinning hurts God's feelings and leading to not being able to continue in said active and purposful sin once it is recognized. This does not mean in the physical literal sin, but in the moral sense, for ex. learning to not lust after a person who is attractive when you have a spouse, moving from lust to appreciation of said beauty.
This denotes the reason given by Christ as to why the scribes and pharisees were unable to receive Him even though they well knew exactly who the Lord Christ Jesus was and what He was saying in John 8:37-44 or thereabouts, and is the same reason the same seedline is setting up Satan's one world government to bring in their father, who was Cain, who was of that wicked one, see Genesis 3:15, and the word 'again' in Genesis 4:2.
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1 John 3
9 Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
My first inclination was to say that the above verse described the glorified bornagain person, as compared to the person who is "just beginning to learn to walk as a Christian"?
1 John 3
9 Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
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It must be Christmas in Ireland by now. Merry Christmas to Bloodbought and to everyone else on CBBS, as most of us look on the eve of that blessed day.
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Originally posted by Bloodbought:
9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, or If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
But, whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
How do you explain this?
When one is born-again is it impossible to sin?
Yes, this scripture is very confusing because the Word also says that we are made of flesh and as long as we are in these earthly bodies we have to 'stand firm against all strategies and tricks of the Devil', which means we still are prone to sin.
Paul had a thorn which came against his flesh every once in awhile. Does that mean that he was tempted, but never yielded to temptation?
We constantly have to be sanctified and digging out roots of pride, resentment, etc, all considered to be sins of the flesh. The scriptures say we have to constantly become perfected but we never will be perfect until we receive our glorified bodies.
I can't see how we can expect to be completely without sin., even though the Holy Spirit can constantly prompt us to deal with temptation of sin.
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1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, or If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
But, whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
How do you explain this?
When one is born-again is it impossible to sin?
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