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WildB
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timspong
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Below is an article I found that you might find interesting. It basically infers that there is a bit of a conspiracy over the changes made while creating the NIV. Basically the KJV was written before some original scriptures had come to light (the minority texts). These were found in Alexandria and Egypt where incidentally the apostles didn’t travel or teach.
If you look at all the changes made, it can be seen that it seems to follow a pattern of denying the deity of Christ.
Anyhow read for yourself:
Is ONE BIBLE TRANSLATION BETTER THAN ANOTHER?
...is there a dangerous agenda written into some modern translations?
...shouldn't you want to know?
That's the big question, isn't it? Seems there's a Bible "type" for just about every little niche these days. I mean, there's a Men's, Women's, Sports, Kids, Xtreme Bible, and now we're starting to make Bibles devoted to race -- and Scriptures are no different for one race over another.
If TARGET BIBLE SELLING wasn't enough, the REAL PROBLEM is within the issue of TRANSLATION. What do you mean? Well, there's the old traditional KING JAMES VERSION (KJV), and the NEW KJV (NKJV), and the LITERAL Translation (LITV or GREEN'S) - and within the last decade of so, these translations have taken dominance in the market --> NEW INTERNATIONAL Translatoin (NIV), NEW LIVING Translation, NRSV, CONTEMPORARY ENGLISH Version (CEV) and the old standard in this group, the DARBY.
Wow !
The way I separated the two groups is ideal for this discussion.
I've always been a KJV man myself, until lately. I discovered a few versions like Darby, CEV and just the other week I was looking at the NLT. So what you say. Well, depending on the source you research, between 85-98 percent of the time, it wouldn't make a difference. So?
So...wouldn't you like to know that between 2-15 percent of the second group with NIV, NLT becoming the most popular across all denominations, 2-15 percent of their translations are MISSING or CHANGED !!!
MISSING ? CHANGED ? What do you mean? I mean, entire Scriptures of the Bible, usually the ones that describe Jesus as Divine and Equally God, verses verifying Heaven with the Trinity residing there - missing!
ASK YOURSELF - Do you believe God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit are ONE in the Godhead (Trinity or Triune God) ?
ASK YOUSELF - Do you believe it is Jesus' SHED BLOOD that removes your sin?
ASK YOURSELF - Do you remember when Jesus taught His disciples to pray over people for their deliverance, and for the removing of demons? Do you remember the story where the disciples came back to Jesus because they couldn't remove a demon? Jesus told them some only come out by prayer AND FASTING?
ASK YOURSELF - Do you believe the Bible when we are told there is power in Speaking the Scripture? the Bible says, God's Word will not come back to Him void, but will accomplish that which It was sent out to do. That supposes someone is SPEAKING IT. Jesus said ASK, the Bible says Faith comes from HEARING and HEARING from the Word of God. So, what if those very PROMISE and POWER Scriptures are OMITTED IN A TRANSLATION of the BIBLE, or CHANGED to EXCLUDE Jesus Name - or the Spiritual Promise within the verse?
I'll tell you what - it makes some pretty watered-down Christians who do not know their rihts in Christ ! It produces Followers of Jesus that DO NOT HAVE THE FULL IMAGE of WHO JESUS IS or WHAT PROMISES HE LEFT US ON EARTH !
Just the way our adversary the devil, Satan, wants it ! If Satan can't tempt you to follow him, then he's going to try to make you live a life of no or limited Christian strength ! If Jesus said some spirits do not come out except through prayer AND FASTING, but your Bible version only says through Prayer -- you're going to Pray AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, and what difference do you think it will make for someone? NONE ! Because EVEN THE DISCIPLES knew to pray, they had Jesus RIGHT THERE, but yet they needed to FAST TOO ! So... if you were ever asked to help with a possessed person, or if you knew a family member was being tempted by a foul spirit...what could you do? Yes, prayer works, it moves mountains...BUT, what if the problem is as Jesus said, one that only comes out with prayer and fasting? Quick, go to your Bible to quote Scripture and..? It's not there ! or it wouldn't be if you were looking in MARK and using the NIV or NLT, etc...
Do you see?
Now, many critics against the Trinity/Triune God (simply put, The Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit are ONE GOD but Three Individual Personalities at the same time) which include simple non-believers, but also Christians like Oneness Pentecostals, they say Jesus never calls Himself God, and they believe the Bible does not support the belief that Jesus and the Father are physically together in Heaven... We'll get into that in the IS THAT BIBLICAL section. For this discussion, I would say, go ahead, try to find something saying ALL THREE OCCUPY THE SAME SPACE, AND THAT THEY ARE ALL THREE YET ONE. Really, try to find it. That's where Bible version is again a problem. There is ONE BIG, CLEAR passage that says EXACTLY THAT ! But you will NOT FIND it in the NIV, the NLT, the CEV etc...Why?
Look at 1 John 5:7 COMPARE ANY BIBLE TRANSLATION TO THIS MAIN PASSAGE ! IF it's there, your Bible confesses Jesus is God, the Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, it also confesses Jesus is risen to the same place as the Father, and shows ALL Three are ONE.
IF, on the other hand, you can not find this verse in your Bible, then YOUR BIBLE DENIES YOU THE FULL IMAGE OF GOD, it TAKES AWAY from the Nature of God - to put it mildly...
DETAILS:
So, why are there two different translations, or CAMPS of Bible translations? In our research we have one answer, One camp wants to Raise Spirit-filled Christians, full on the meat of the Word, ready to move mountains, bring souls to Christ, and battle powers and principalities in high places (so says the Bible), but the other camp seeks to remove this PRIME PURPOSE OF JESUS, for it was His command that we should do these things. This same camp of translations seeks to minimize the importants of a true Spirit-life, and desires to lessen your understanding and awareness of God - it seeks to rob you of your inherited rights through Christ's death and Resurrection!
HISTORY- in Simple Terms- There are TWO MAIN GROUPS OF TEXTS used to bring us all the Bible versions we now have. One Group is called, The MAJORITY TEXT (or the Receptus TEXTUS), which have over 5000 Texts in it's group, and the other Group is called, The MINORITY TEXT (or the NU-TEXT, or the Alexandrian/Egyptian Text or the CRITICAL Text - there are a few too many names for them!) which are made up of only a few texts!
A GROUP of TEXTS is like finding a thousand same titled books in one geographic area, all from the same time. It's then important that these individual books all tell the same story. It's very important one line from one book, is EXACTLY the same as in every other book.
In the MAJORITY TEXTS, this is, for the most part, the case. Dating to around the year 400AD, these some 5000 texts were found in the area of highest Apostolic teaching and travel. There are only limited examples of slight variations between the lines of some copies.
However, some translators and critics prefer the other texts, the MINORITY or NU-Texts because they date a couple hundred years earlier and were found closer to our modern times. The problem is, in the number of manuscripts found (a handful) that make up these Minority texts, MANY DISAGREE WITH EACH OTHER, THEY OMIT KEY BIBLICAL PASSAGES WHICH DECLARES OUR PROMISES IN CHRIST AND SPIRITUAL INSTRUCTION AND TRUTHS, and they come from Alexandria and Egypt - away from the main areas we know the Apostles travelled.
Consider this- the Minority texts omit "through the blood" of Christ for remission of sin, omit "For Thine is the Power and the Glory for ever amen" in the Lord's Prayer, omit the primary Trinity Scripture in 1 John 5:7 and the list goes on and on.
SO ASK YOURSELF THIS --> WHICH IMAGE OF GOD DO YOU BELIEVE IN ? It's that clear cut: although the main body of Scriptures remains mostly the same between the Minority AND Majority groups of texts, the differences and omissions present to you different natures of Christian Faith and Living.
If you're willing to ignore Scripture and minimize the Divinity of Jesus, and do not consider importance in the redemptive blood of Christ, then this article is just squabbling over words,
but remember, we have three warning in the Bible:
1. There is a way that seems right, but leads to death.
2. In the end people will say, Jesus we did these things in Your name, but HE will say, I never knew you.
3. DO NOT add or TAKE AWAY from the Scriptures.
Can you ignore these warnings for easier language, cool Bible design and a lighter, easier to live Message?
I've spoken enough -- please read these examples of glaring differences between the two types - AND PLEASE CONSIDER FOR YOURSELF, THE IMPLICATIONS !
This ministry stands ready to answer further questions or concerns - please email through our contact page.
God Bless as you desire to seek Him First, and His Fullness.
Compare the FOLLOWING VERSES, look them up in KJV (or NKJV) and the NIV or NLT or CEV - and see for YOURSELF the CONCERN !
1 John 4:3 - removes "flesh" (confessing Christ came in the flesh)
Phil 2:6 - removes Jesus being the Form of God and EQUAL
Acts 8:37 - removes a confession that Jesus is the Son of God, and a promise IF we Believe - OMITTED !
1 John 5:13 - removes believing on the name of Jesus
John 6:47 - removes who we believe on, Jesus Christ
Rev 22:14 - simply different - removes requirement to do God's Commandments
Gal 5:12 - why not just read the NIV version because you'd then know GOD WOULD NEVER ALLOW THIS VIOLENCE AND CURSE !
Mark 9:29 - removes requirement to fast
Matt 6:13 - removes For Thine is the Kingdom etc...
Luke 11:2 Rev 16:7 and Heb 10:34 - all remove heaven, and in Hebrews, it's in reference to the NATURE of our reward!
1 John 5:7-8 - removes the Trinity Scripture !
Luke 4:4 - this one is ironic, because we are told we live by EVERY WORD OF GOD, but NIV omits !
Rom 8:1 - removes ignoring flesh and walking in the Spirit.
Matt 18:11 - promise and purpose of Jesus - OMITTED
Mark 15:28 - removes Old Testament prophecy fulfillment in Christ
Luke 17:36 - watch this one - removes Scripture of the Rapture !
Luke 4:8 - "Get thee behind me Satan" OMITTED
1 Timothy 3:16 - wording changed, removes calling Jesus God
Col 1:14 - removes the Blood of Redemption nature of Christ
1 Peter 1:22 - removes relying on the Spirit !
Rev 21:24 - when Heaven comes to earth, those SAVED will walk by the light of Jesus - NIV removes the need to be saved !
...and the list goes on... but if you are going to allow the Holy Spirit to convict you of this truth, this real concern, this will be enough for this website. It is just TOO FOCUSSED AGAINST the DIVINE Nature of Christ and the Kingdom, and TOO COMPLETE ACROSS the Books of the New Testament to be a COINCIDENCE, to be anything other then WRITTEN WITH AN AGENDA ! AGAINST our knowing the Fullness of God.
Thank you for looking, and we'd love to hear from you if this brief article was of help in making a decision. Pray over it and ask for the Holy Spirit's leading.
In Christ!
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Timothy Michael Spong
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Isa.7 NRSV
14Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Look, the young woman is with child and shall bear a son, and shall name him Immanuel.
NOW the KJV
Isa.7
[14] Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
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