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According to Muslims they are descendents of Abraham and Ishmael.

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yes, that is a good point. they do maintain that. however, that does not necessarily make it true.

Lucifer-Satan is the author of that book of Islam and God Jesus said that "the devil was a liar from the beginning."

It is however true, as you have well pointed out, that Lucifer-Satan chose to use a tribe from the Makkah-Medinah region of middlewest Arabia and this Makkah tribe chose to use most of the characters and symbols of the book written by the LORD YHWH of Israel.

Why would a tribe in middlewest Arabia decide to use most of the characters of "Abraham's book", so to speak, unless, as you say, they were in fact descended from Abraham-Hagar Ishmael.

It is apparently geographically true that the Abraham-Hagar Ishmaelites and the Abraham-Keturah-Midianites inhabited the northwest side of the Arabian peninsula, and they could well have possessed the whole coastland of northwest Arabia as far south as Makkah-Medinah in middlewest Arabia.

so you may be right; your point has made me rethink this issue, and I do find it curious that an Arabian tribe would use the book of the tribe of Israel, and change a few things like claim that the original had said that the world would be blessed and the Prince should come, through Ishmael and not through Isaac:

Genesis 21:12
And God said to Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Romans 9:7
Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Genesis 17:20
And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Genesis 21
20And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer.

21And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt.

Genesis 25:16
And these are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes according to their nations.

From the wilderness of Paran, the Abraham-Hagar Ishmaelites apparently began to intermarry with the Abraham-Keturah-Midianites, to the point where the Old Testament calls the slave traders who take Joseph down to Egypt by the name Ishmaelites as well as the name Midianites.

and these Ishmaelites/Midianites probably controlled that northwest coast of Arabia and at times probably controlled seaport Jiddah from which one ascends a valley onto the tableland plateau on which Makkah is located.

and undoubtedly, the Quran of Islam came from Makkah and Medinah.

so good point, timspong. BORN AGAIN

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Ge 21:18 "Arise, lift up the lad and hold him with your hand, for I will make him a great nation."

ie the nation of islam

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I don't think it is known whether Islam is descended from Ishmael.

Ishmael already "back then in Genesis days" became a great nation, with his 12 sons becoming 12 dukes who lived in the wilderness of Paran.

Later the Abraham-Hagar Ishmaelites apparently intermarried with the Abraham-Keturah Midianites and they inhabited the northwest corner of Arabia.

When Terah and Abram and Sarai and Lot left Ur of the Chaldees, there were still many people remaining in Ur, plus there were many other cities in southeast Iraq and in northeast Arabia.

In addition, the Shemite Eber had two sons, Peleg and Joktan.

Genesis 10:25
And to Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

The Israelites are descended from Eber-Peleg, but the Eber-Joktanites went into Arabia, esp. into middlesouth and south Arabia and became the great Joktanite kingdom.

As far as I know, it is therefore unknown whether Islam descended from the Ishmaelites.

God bless, BORN AGAIN

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