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yeshuaslavejeff brings up a valid point in that the scribes and the Pharisees had, over the centuries, heaped up unto themselves statutes never proclaimed by the Lord. They had the divers baptisms (washings) that Christ declined and told them the uncleaness was on the inside of the vessel. They also had numbered the legal number of steps one could take before coming to a tree (can't recall, thinking I read that in Josepheus?).
We should never confuse the traditions of the elders as being a reason to neglect the gentiles were only given 4 necessary things, and that Christ came to fulfill the law, being a change of the priesthood, it was necessary to change the law as well.
But this all reminds me of how strick it was to be in violation of Sabbath day law, and that Christ and His disciples certainly did not keep the daily Sabbaths once the ministry had begun:
Num 15:32
And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
Num 15:33
And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
Num 15:34
And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
Num 15:35
And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
Num 15:36
And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.
And if you read the next few verses as well, it will be seen what is meant when Christ said they broadened, enlarged, their phylactories, they broadened the hims of their skirts in making more Sabbatical additions = traditions, which Christ said they would in no wise inter the kingdom of heaven unless their works exceeded the righteousness of the Pharisees.
So both things were occurring, Pharetical abuse of their people, and the further unfoldment of the plan of God, Christ with the disciples initiating the fulfillment of the law, prepofming the prepatory work to ready the setting of it aside as the true replaced the picture words.
But they did not want to grow up, they preferred to remain in their babihood, spiritually. Nevertheless, gentiles were never given the law, as that was the privilage of Israel, for to them were committed the oracles of God, the testimony, the tabernacling with God, and the commandmenst.
These believers who cannot see what is plainly written and not written concerning the Sabbath day worship of today are in the same boat as those who fail to see what is written and not written concerning other doctrines as well.
All of this can be quickly discerned by rightly dividing the word of truth as the gentile church was instructed. Until Israel became Lo-ammi and another dispensation revealed, there was no cause for right division. It was all the same story unfolding till the end of the Acts.
It is only afterwards that the church was created and made known. It too was rejected, but it is our truth for today whether they rejected it or not.
Col 1:9
For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
Col 1:10
That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
Col 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
Col 1:12
Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son
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After the cross -
Jesus' words to Paul Acts 9:15 "Go and do what I say. For Saul (Paul) is my chosen instrument to take my message to the Gentiles and to kings, as well as to the people of Israel.
Again, included in this divinely-appointed message -
Romans 14:5,6 In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike.
Each person should have a personal conviction about this matter. Those who have a special day for worshiping the Lord are trying to honor him.
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just in passing through this time:
saw this in a post:
"Bear in mind also that the Sabbath keepers were the main enemy of Christ Himself and we hardly want to emulate them!"
however:
paul, peter, john, james, john the baptist,
mary, martha, aquila, priscilla,
luke, jude, thomas, and on and on and on...
every one of these absolutely honored shabbat on
seventh day as required by Yhwh's instructions.
even the gentiles that were recognized as G_dly
were known to honor shabbat as well as the other
instructions that were given through the Jews by
G+d'd choice.
RE "They loved the Torah", a small book about the
first century jews and gentiles who obeyed Yeshua.
"the sabbath keepers" who were the main enemies
of Yeshua did not only not honor the sabbath,
they did not honor any of Yhwh's Word -
they put man's traditions over the authority of
Yhwh's Command.
just as they do today.
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1Peter4:1,2 Yeshua suffered physical suffering:disciples have same mind/ willingness to share shame/physical suffering with Yeshua/His people.
Biblio:"willtherealhereticsplease standup?"byBercot(churchTruth)
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To those who lived under the Law it could rightly and truly be said: "It shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us" (Deut 6:25). But to those who live in this present Dispensation of grace, it is as truly declared, "By the deeds of the Law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight" (Rom 3:20; see also Gal 2:16, 3:11, &c.). But this is the very opposite of Deuteronomy 6:25! What then are we to say, or to do? Which of these two statements is true? and which is false?
The answer is, that neither is false. But both are true if we rightly divide the Word of truth as to its Dispensational truth and teaching.
Multitudes as they hear the Old Testament read in our churches fail so to divide them rightly, but understand the interpretation of them as belonging to themselves now. They thus put themselves under law, and deny their standing which God has given them in Christ; hence it is that they fail to enjoy that liberty wherewith Christ hath made His people free (Gal 5:1).
In the Old Dispensation God dealt with one nation only; but in the Present Dispensation He no longer deals with any one nation, but with individuals out of all nations. This is the key to the understanding of those many passages where the words "all" and "every" and "world" are used in the New Testament. "All" must mean one of two things: either "all" without exception, or "all" without distinction; and it is in this latter sense it is constantly used in contrast with the one nation of Israel.
"I, if I be lifted up from the earth* will draw all men unto me" (John 12:32). If this means "all" without exception, then it is not true, for all men have not been drawn unto Him. But it is most blessedly true, if it means "all" without distinction, as it surely does.
(E.W.Bullinger)
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To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
A further comment upon the fact that Christ is the Lord even of the Sabbath also, i.e., even of the cessasion (entering into rest) - Shabbâth
H7676
שׁבּת
shabbâth
shab-bawth'
Intensive from H7673; intermission, that is, (specifically) the Sabbath: - (+ every) sabbath.
Lev 16:31
It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute forever (age-time).
Eph 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
This verse in Ephesians particularly concerns the middle wall of partition of v.14, which were set forth in Acts 15 listing the four necessary things which seemed good to the Holy Spirit regarding gentiles observances, by way of which those believing gentiles could have a place to stand in the outer temple area, removed from the Tabernacle. (That recovered stone, middle wall of partition, is at the Brittish Museum).
The Greek word translated "ordinance" is dogma, a word having nothing in common with the "ordinances of baptism and the Lord's Supper" but meaning "that which appears good or right to one" (Lloyd's Encyc. Dict.).
Dogma must not be confused with doctrine. Crabb discriminates between dogma and doctrine thus:
"The doctrine rests upon the authority of the individual by whom it is framed; the dogma on the authority of the body by whom it is maintained".
Dr. Bullinger in his Lexicon says:
Dogma, that which seems true to one, an opinion, especially of philosophic dogmas; a public resolution, decree (occ. Luke 2:1, Acts 16:4; 17:7).
So in Acts fifteen, we find a decree resting on the authority of a body by whom it was maintained.
Crabb again states "that which appears good and right to one", was actually used in Acts fifteen.
The council that met at Jerusalem was convened to decide what measures could be taken to solve the problems that arose out of the Gentiles coming to the synagogue, whose whole upbringing, feeding and habits, rendered them unclean in the OT, but now merely obnoxious during the Acts:
From the ordinance itself in Acts fifteen, "it seemed good unto us, being assemblied . . . to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things" (Acts 15:25-28). While there were four items pertaining to the conduct for the Gentiles, the added comment "for Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him" (Acts 15:21) suggests that the Jewish believer would continue to observe the full ceremonial law.
This difference between the two companies of believers set up in effect a middle wall of partition making membership of "one body" during the Acts impossible.
It is this "decree" which is the ordinance referred to in Ephesians 2:15. This has now been abolished.
This word, "abolished", translates the Greek katargeo which means rather "to render inoperative", as can be seen in such passages as Romans 7:2 "loosed from the law"; "done away" (2 Cor. 3:7,11,13,14) and "to make of none effect" (Gal. 3:17, 5:4).
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Great comments eprn and RioLion.
The Pharisees kept reminding Jesus at every turn that he was breaking "The Law", but what did Jesus have to say about the Sabbath?
Matthew 12 :1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them.When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath."
He answered, "Haven't you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? I tell you that one greater than the temple is here. If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent. FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD OF THE SABBATH.
John Gill's Comments under Study Lights on Matthew 12:1-8 " And since Christ is greater than the temple, and has all the perfections of the divine nature in him, is equal to the Father in power and glory; and even as mediator, has all power in heaven and earth given him; so as he is Lord of all other things, he is of the sabbath, and has a power of dispensing with it, and even of abolishing it; see (Colossians 2:16,17) and since the Lord of the sabbath had a power of dispensing with it, and made use of it in the cases of David and his men, and of the priests in the temple formerly; the Pharisees ought not to think it strange, that the Son of man, who is equally Lord of the sabbath, dispensed with it in his disciples now."
Col. 2:16,17 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ
I believe the sermon on the mount was the only sermon that Jesus went into great detail about the new covenant. He didn't mention the Sabbath once in the next two scriptures.
Matthew 19:16-20 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
He saith unto him, Which? (commandments) Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour
Matthew 22:34-40 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets
Romans 14:5,6 "In the same way some think one is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. Each person should have a personal conviction about this matter. Those who have a special day for worshiping the Lord are trying to honor him."
~Paul is telling us that we are supposed to worship according to our convictions when we set aside a special day for honoring the Lord.
What is different from the OT in the above scriptures- Jesus and the Cross - that is the difference.
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May the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
The true:
Heb 2:4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will
That Wicked:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness
They appear to be the same,for Satan is a counterfieter, but we of who are His trust only in that which is written, rightly dividing the word of truth, lest we be found a workman ashamed.
Having discused this issure several times with the intent that a broadcast seed may one day be given the increase by the Father of our Lord Christ Jesus, I am always amazed at the power of denial. Yes, other people may be subject to deception, but never me - that is what I hear and it doesn't matter one bit that even one verse cannot be provided stating any gentile portion in the law and the prophets and the Psalms.
Denial is a vastly difficult beast to slay, for denial by reason of it's own livelyhood denies it's very existance, sort of like mind control I would think.
Of course Israel being instructed out of the types and shadows, away from the picture words of babyhood further impeads the cause of gentiles to take up that which is done away in Christ.
I do believe the first key to understanding Scripture is to never have an understanding, but rather be able to show where we are given the Lord's understanding. If we neglect our own understanding then His shall be made open to the full, but if we seek our own, then we have severely limited God's ability to give because He will allow us to make our own descisions in all matters that we may learn the creature cannot stand on creature strength, but on every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
The risen Lord Jesus could have related untold glories, things which shall be in the fullness of the awaiting creation, but instead He opened the book and showed them all things pertaining unto Himself. The following situation is a fine example of limiting God, for there are some things that even God cannot do. This is true with man as well, more times than not when seeking income we would have been given more if we hadn't limited ourselves by asking for a certain payscale, for once we do, we havce limited the one who knows what it is worth and what we need to function by:
Luk 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
That was a non responce really, for how is one to partake of strong meat when there is no understanding that the milk was for growth. Oh, they did not want to put away their picture books and taste of the real. But since the man desired to want to DO something to earn it, the pattened responce is given, but in such a way that it must have sent the man on a mental mission.
One thing I have found, that when the truth is shown forth, people run. All people run, no matter what, we all run run and run. Some run to the truth while others run from it, but the truth is a two edged sword, cutting both ways:
Luk 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor thy father and thy mother.
Another fine example of failing to acknowledge He who knows the end from the beginning, the High and Holy God who resides in temples not made with hands, the God who places no trust in His angels, whom before the very heavens are unclean in His sight, who is verily love itself says:
Luk 11:9
And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
You know, they never did. Christ practically begged them to ask. Just ask. They had the oracles of God, the covenant and the testimony but they never bothered to consider to ask for the knowldge of Him, for He desired mercy and not burnt offerings, how often would Christ have taken them under His wing as a mother broods over the young, but they would not. Is it pride? Soddishness? Babyhood?
Word of God fulfilled in Paul;
Paul said in Colossians 1:25 that God chose him to be the vessel by which He would fulfill (Greek pleroo, "complete") the Word of God. That's what he did - with the revelation of the mystery [secret] given to him, God had nothing more to say.
In order for Joe Smith's claims, Ellen G. White, the growing majority of prots., the church of Rome with it's Marian revelations, Pentecostals, Urantia or anyone else attempting to teach me of further Holy Spirt instruction of new revelation to be correct, Paul's claim in Col 1:25 would have to be false - they can't both be true.
So, in order for any of them to be correct, the Bible once again must be regarded as erroneous. And if you can't trust part of an allegedly infallible book, there's no sound reason to trust any of it (there'd be simply no objective way of determining which parts, if any, can be trusted), Which, by direct and inescapable implication, indicts the God who inspired it either of error, weakness or duplicity, any one of which once again rendering Him less than completely trustworthy, which the Bible says He is.
Try as I might to think outside the box, this is where I always end up, if the logic of the modern position of spiritualizing and joining that which God has made seperate replaces the absolute and literal truth, then when this is carried out to its reasonable end...I end up with a God who cannot be trusted or at the very least the doctrine of traditions of men not yet perfected.
I see the Bible as the terrible war with a great spiritual foe having a glorious end, but not a feel good book at all. An enemy hath done this.
Without absolute yeilding before the great and mighty God we thus limit what we permit ourselves to be shown of His understanding, falling by the firey darts of Satan, never coming to the fulness and the quickening we should be made alive even now.
1Sa 10:6 And the Spirit of the LORD will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.
Today everyone wants to hear that which lifts them up and blesses them. That is the exact opposite of what we find in Scripture. Truly, Christ Jesus came in the volume of the book, for they are Holy Words which testify of Him.
1Sa 12:22 For the LORD will not forsake his people for his great name's sake: because it hath pleased the LORD to make you his people.
Psa 23:3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
Psa 25:11 For thy name's sake, O LORD, pardon mine iniquity; for it is great.
Psa 31:3 For thou art my rock and my fortress; therefore for thy name's sake lead me, and guide me.
Psa 79:9 Help us, O God of our salvation, for the glory of thy name: and deliver us, and purge away our sins, for thy name's sake.
Psa 106:8 Nevertheless he saved them for his name's sake, that he might make his mighty power to be known.
Psa 109:21 But do thou for me, O GOD the Lord, for thy name's sake: because thy mercy is good, deliver thou me.
Psa 115:1 Not unto us, O LORD, not unto us, but unto thy name give glory, for thy mercy, and for thy truth's sake.
Psa 143:11 Quicken me, O LORD, for thy name's sake: for thy righteousness' sake bring my soul out of trouble.
Isa 48:9 For my name's sake will I defer mine anger, and for my praise will I refrain for thee, that I cut thee not off.
The creature cannot stand on creature strength, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Isa 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:8, 9
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Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Exodus 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
We note that the sabbath as well as circumcision were symbols or signs of the covenant God made with the nation Israel. These signs or symbols do not apply to the church or to the Gentile believers as they are not under law but under grace.
Those that insist upon keeping the commandments especially the 4th command are really legalists like the Galatians Paul warned about on this matter.
In studying the works of Ellen G. White - one of the founders of the Seventh Day Adventists religion, I find that she was herself a psychic as she had several visions, out of body experiences, and commented about her spirit guide believing him to be a young and handsome angel. Of course, it has been proven by the hierarchy of the SDA that much of her work was copied from various authors. See the book "White Washed" by Snydney Cleveland, it is really an eye opening!!!
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I desired to add something of what is written, to the affect that those who love the Lord Christ Jesus might take by faith what is written to them who were under the law, how that by this some might open the book and search and see what is truth for today, and now much the more so are we who were never Jews apart from the law and the covenants, seperate from Israel and the without God in the world until we were sent an apostle to reveal unto us what is the hope of His calling:
Heb 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Heb 7:15
And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Heb 7:16
Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:19
For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope [did]; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb 7:28
For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, [maketh] the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
Heb 10:1
. For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
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Forgive me for the length, I don't seem go be able to help it.
Gal 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Gal 3:1
. O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:2
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Gal 3:4
Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if [it be] yet in vain.
Gal 3:5
He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, [doeth he it] by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Notibly some 2,500 years passed before any instruction regarding Sabbath keeping became law, and even then, by word of the Holy Spirit it was a 'statute', Lev 16:31, 'It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute forever.'
Matthew Henry fails to note the first thing God says is to the reason law was given them in Exo. 20:-
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I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
:as the creation reason is parented as being relational only, and that by way of the modern day saying, like father like son, if you will pardon my coloquialism, showing them if He set it apart as part of His program, then they being His children can partake as part of their program, even if the reason has broader implications, and too, for showing something of the divine timeline given numerically by the number seven.
SEVEN. Denotes spiritual perfection. It is the number or hall-mark of the Holy Spirit's work. He is the Author of God's Word, and seven is stamped on it as the water-mark is seen in the manufacture of paper. He is the Author and Giver of life; and seven is the number which regulates every period of Incubation and Gestation, in insects, birds, animals, and man.
For example, in Genesis 1:1, in the Hebrew we have 7 words, 14 syllables, 28 letters.
14=7X2
TWO. Denotes difference. If two different persons agree in testimony it is conclusive. Otherwise two implies opposition, enmity, and division, as was the work of the Second day. Compare the use of the word "double" applied to "heart", "tongue", "mind", &c.
28=7X4
FOUR. Denotes creative works (3+1), and always has reference to the material creation, as pertaining to the earth, and things "under the sun", and things terrestrial.
ONE. Denotes unity, and commencement. The first occurrences of words or utterances denote their essential significance, in interpretation. Words that occur only once, in the originals, are emphatic and important. First day, Light.
THREE. Denotes completeness, as three lines complete a plane figure. Hence, three is significant of Divine perfection and completeness. The third day completes the fundamentals of creation-work. The fourth, fifth, and sixth days are the counterpart and repetition of the first, second, and third, and correspond respectively. The number, three, includes resurrection also; for on the third day the earth rose up out of the deep, and the fruit rose up out of the earth.
There is a design in God’s Word to us. We have so many examples of 7, starting with Genesis and by the time we get to Revelation it is impossible to escape them. 7 churches, 7 angels, 7’s abound. In many chapters special words are only used 7 times. God was teaching them using picture words, there very names foretold the future and the plan of the ages for the day of visitation that they might know, alas;
2Cor 3:7
But if the ministration of death, written [and] engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which [glory] was to be done away:
2Cor 3:9
For if the ministration of condemnation [be] glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Cor 3:10
For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Cor 3:11
For if that which is done away [was] glorious, much more that which remaineth [is] glorious.
2Cor 3:12
. Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
2Cor 3:13
And not as Moses, [which] put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2Cor 3:14
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which [vail] is done away in Christ.
2Cor 3:15
But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Cor 3:16
Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
2Cor 3:17
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty.
I always remind myself that I should not expect God to have to repeat Himself in all things in every verse, the written word is by design a stumbling stone for those who lean unto their own understanding, and that I need to lean upon Him who is steadfast, and remember to follow the subject and the grammatical object thrughout it's course:
Isa 28:12
To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
Isa 28:13
But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Isa 28:14
Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
For me, I cannot find anywhere of any instructions to take Israel's Sabbath day law, or to take only those portions which seem pleasing to men, in other words, where can it be found that anyone is to take upon themselves the deeds of the law but not the penalties? If they were really keeping the Sabbath we should be reading of death by stoning daily, not to mention they had by matter of mathmatical fact, a rotating Sabbath day, fictionalizing Sabbaths being kept on Saturdays, thus:
That the 7 day Sabbaths were CHANGING SABBATHS, being observed on two different days each year because of an additional sab. being observed at Pentecost. For instance, if the 15th of Abib (when Is. was in Egyp) which was on the sabbath, was Sat, then the 7th-day sabbath would fall on Sat. for 7 weeks. The 50th day, which would be Sunday, is Pentacost, so the next 7th day would be Sunday again until Pentecost the next year, add infinitum, which would follow the 7th day sabbath in it's rotating coarse. The next would fall on a Monday, etc. So perpetual Saturday Sabbath keeping is a fiction and therefore a lie.
They have been observed:
DIFFERENT DAYS:1st day- Lev23:39; 7thday-Ex20:8--; 8th day Lev 23:39,
DIFFERNENT LENGTHS:1 day- Ex 16:23:29, 2 days -Lev 23:6-8,15-22, 1 yr long -lev 25:4, 70 yrs long-2 Cro 36:21,
ETERNITY LONG-Heb 4:9
Why do they take only the convenient weekly Sabbath, and even in this they do not observe it correctly, nor with penalty. If this doctrine is not explicitly written then it is a false doctrine made by scripture doctors.
God enjoined upon Abraham the covenant of circumcision, and used such words as these to show its importance. ‘The uncircumcised ... shall be cut off from his people’ (Gen. 17:14). Again, in Exodus 12, the observation of the feast of the Passover is said to be ‘an ordinance for ever’, and ‘whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel’. Again, in Exodus 20:8, we read as a part of the commandments given by God:
‘Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work’. If the reader will now turn to Numbers 15:32-36, he will find that no allowance was made for not keeping the seventh day. The man that gathered sticks on the Sabbath day did not escape punishment because he intended to observe the first day instead, but the Lord said, ‘The man shall be surely put to death’. In Exodus 31:14 regarding the Sabbath, we have the words quoted above, ‘that soul shall be cut off from among his people’.
Leviticus 17:14 threatens the same for eating flesh with the blood.
Leviticus 23:29 threatens the same for not observing the day of atonement.
Numbers 19:13-20 threatens the same to any who are not sprinkled by the water of separation, after touching a dead body, or even a bone, or a grave.
Rom 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Paul as well as James makes it clear that if any keep but the slightest portion of the law, then the whole of the law must be upheld , law which is called a 'burden'. Furthermore, if one now violates the most miniscule aspect of the law he is guilty of violating the whole of the law.
God fortold us He would do away with it:
Isa. 1:13: Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabboths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with(cannot endure):it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Gal 3:17
And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18
For if the inheritance [be] of the law, [it is] no more of promise: but God gave [it] to Abraham by promise.
Gal 3:19
. Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal 3:20
Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21
[Is] the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
But all of this is mute, as non Jews were never asked to keep the Sabbaths, even instructed to not keep them as we have so noted in Col 2.
Agape.
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Deut 5: 10-16
‘Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant, or your ox or your donkey or any of your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.You shall remember that you were a slave {Or servant} in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.
(Matthew Henry comments) The most considerable variation is in the fourth commandment. In Exod. 20 the reason annexed is taken from the creation of the world; here it is taken from their deliverance out of Egypt, because that was typical of our redemption by Jesus Christ, in remembrance of which the Christian sabbath was to be observed: Remember that thou wast a servant, and God brought thee out, #De 5:15. ...
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Ephesians
1:15 Love unto ALL SAINTS.
3:18 Comprehend with ALL SAINTS.
6:18 Praying for ALL SAINTS.
It was Paul's greatest fear that they would 'draw back" to "those things which are behind", namely the law. Paul therefore writes in Gal 4:9, "But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain".
The OT, as does the New, is clear, the Mosaic law was not forever eternal, but based upon that which is forever, not yet come, until the resurrection and the judgment of the righteous judge, also that flesh and blood men were sojourners here, and they looked for a better country where flesh and blood could not enter, for the penalty for sin is death.
Christ paid for that original sin, having worked out all things, declaring the end from the beginning. On earth, Yeshua Messiah declares "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it", Luk 16:16. His return will be consummated by Israel's BELIEF. Her eyes shall open, she will realize Christ is that 'Blessed'; It is this stage in the subject Christ again makes Himself known as the LORD Jehovah of the OT. The same LORD Jehovah who had been working with her throughout the OT, come as Son , where He like men, took part of the same flesh and blood (Heb 2:14)
n a personal note, the more God reveals to us, the clearer it becomes that Israel was to receive so much more than to "respect of a holy day", for God said in Isa 58:13 "If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable; and shalt honor him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words". Can the Lord be pleased by people nowadays, who find honor in what they do for their 'own pleasure', holding such a thing under 'thy foot' in this regard? when even Israel is to press on, "forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before"? Phi 3:13. God created one new man where all members are called "the church Which is his body, the fullness of him that filleth all in all" at the end of Eph 1.
It is in this great doctrinal truth found in Ephesians 1-3 instructing us of our worthy walk, and where it is to be realized, for it is the Lord through Paul who gives the "knowledge in the mystery of Christ Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed" (Eph 3:4-5).
We must be careful to rightly divide the word of truth, not taking to ourselves that which is not for us, and rejoicing in that glory in which His body was prepared and chosen before the foundation of the world to find our eternal enjoyment in the superheavenlies (Eph 1: 3-5).
I feel this is largely due to Satanic attack, of which has been going on from the first of this great revelation wherein we find our name written on the envelope rather than Israel's. Great orators can build any kind of doctrine,
but it is up to every individual
to be more noble
received the word
with all readiness of mind
and search the Scriptures
daily
whether those things be so.
Sure, we should ask for light and guidance in the study of the Word. It is fine to pray for the power to speak to the unsaved. But how often do we stop to pray for the spirit of wisdom and unveiling in the
knowledge of Him
for those saints who earnestly endeavor to seek what is the hope of His calling?
Are we speaking of our hope, or His? Our inheritance, or His? Do we think of our own things instead of the things of others? It may be that we need more love to ALL SAINTS. This lack of love for the saints will give a man the eyes of an eagle for finding fault, but totally blind him to spiritual things. The remedy; love to ALL SAINTS.
These saints are nothing else but saved sinners. Eph. 1:1-14 gives the scope of the work of God in behalf of these who are in the dispensation of the mystery. You have there, the will of the Father, the work of the Son, and the witness (seal) of the Spirit. Now we do not look about and try to discern who are saints and who are not. In the eye of the flesh we are not to judge. We cannot judge, unless we see them as God sees them; in Christ.
Do we realize that we have been chosen...in love? Do we realize that we have been accepted in the Beloved? Do we have any comprehension of the great love wherewith He loved us?
All this love is of grace. It was not because of us and our merits, but in His Son. Let us be careful lest we deny others what has been so freely lavished on us.
Heb 2:17
Wherefore in all things it behooved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18
For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succor them that are tempted.
Heb 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Col 1:12
Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son
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At the Jerusalem council Acts 15, there was no obligation put on the Gentiles to obey Mosaic laws, esp. circumcision and I would conclude that they did not have to keep the Jewish Sabbath either.
From the very earliest records that we have Gentiles did not keep the Sabbath but gathered always on the first day of the week for worship and communion. We can also surmise from these records that only some Jewish converts zealous for the law actually continued the Sabbath observance.
And we can conclude from the New Testament writings that because the Sabbath was never mentioned as something that was important, that the church did not observe a sabbath. Sabbath breaking was not even mentioned in the list of sins that one could commit.
From the attributes of God, Sabbath keeping is not among them. As christians we are to acquire and honor those holy attributes as they reflect the very nature of God Himself.
While it is true that Jesus kept the Sabbath commandment in accordance to the law, the church was not required to do so. Bear in mind that jesus was also circumcized on the 8th day but that practice was done away with as well as the dietary laws of the OT.
Bear in mind also that the Sabbath keepers were the main enemy of Christ Himself and we hardly want to emulate them!
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Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Made nigh by the blood of Christ, not the covenants and ordinances and law of Israel.
Actually, the Jews who were to acknowledge Christ's works plotted to kill the Christ for breaking the Sabbath. The disciples also remained with Christ, thereby in like manner.
The best book on the Sabbath is the A.V.
What more do we need to understand about the old and new covenant beyond that one fact of whom they are given, namely Israel.
Personally, I haven't found any Scripture where Israel became the church, nor where the hope and calling of the church became Israel. Each have their particular sphere of blessing.
Israel as the sand of the sea blessed in the land
Israel as the stars of the heavens blessed in New Jerusalem on the earth
Church which is His body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all blessed far above all heavens of heavens seated with Christ
Galatians 5:2 says, ‘Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing’. Here we find the exact opposite to Genesis 17:14. Moses says the UN-circumcised shall be cut off, while Paul says the circumcised are cut off from any benefit from Christ.
Colossians 2:16 says, ‘Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths’. Here, again, the apostle Paul sweeps aside the commands of God given in the law regarding the feasts, fasts and sabbaths. ‘Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you,
lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain’ (Gal. 4:10,11).
What are we to say to these things? If we believe that both Moses and Paul were equally inspired, how is it that what the one tells us God commanded, the other equally and as positively contradicts and sets aside? The answer is that God has spoken to His people at different times, with different messages, and that before we can render real obedience to the Scriptures we must learn to distinguish between these different dispensations, as they are called.
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Yeshua never, never broke the instructions of Yhwh,
else no Saviour could He be.
Yeshua never, never broke Yhwh's instructions to
keep the 7th day holy.
the book "they loved the torah" looks into the early
believers, jew and gentile,
and shows simply that
G_dly gentiles, as well as G_dly jews, kept Sabbath.
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1Peter4:1,2 Yeshua suffered physical suffering:disciples have same mind/ willingness to share shame/physical suffering with Yeshua/His people.
Biblio:"willtherealhereticsplease standup?"byBercot(churchTruth)
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Probably the best books on the subject of the Sabbath is "Sabbath in Christ" by Dale Ratzlaff. The book is a must for those that would understand the differentiation between the old and new covenants. ![[thumbsup2]](graemlins/thumbsup2.gif)
When it comes to the very foundations of the Seventh Day Adventist church, there is the book "White Washed" by Syndey Cleveland. He brings out the fact that Ellen White plagarized much of her major works and in many places simply contradicted herself and the plain messages of Scripture. She was definitely a false messenger and not of God at all.
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The Sabbath had become such an issue that they had to have a meeting about it. We are in Acts 15.
Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
These Pharisees were saying look, if these gentiles are going to share with us, then they must keep the law, they must keep the circumcision, they must keep all the commandments, they must have the whole lot. We’ve got the whole lot, and so must they. Don’t forget that these were pagan converts to whom the whole of the OT was completely unknown. They come into this Jewish lot, who had this background of types and shadows to show them the way to God, so what are they going to do about it?
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
They face the question, and this is what they say at the end:
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
We should stress this abundantly, because this is not just what they thought, it wasn’t just James & Peter and the rest of them, it seemed good to the Holy Spirit.
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well, Fare ye well.
There it is, v29, and it is easy to miss. Four points of the law, and that is what to ask the gentile believer to keep. Only four points, and it seemed good to the Holy Spirit that that should be so. So look at it. Friends, the Sabbath day isn’t there, the Sabbath day isn’t there, and the gentile believers were not asked to keep the Sabbath day.
He’s picked out the four things they are asked to keep and it does not include the Sabbath day. We do well, I think, to learn these things. Four necessary things in verse 29.
Now, when you come to Paul’s first epistle, he has some very strong things to say about days. Don’t forget, at the back, was this great opposition to his ministry, opposition to teaching faith apart from law, and apart from works, and all with this great attempt to bring over this law keeping into the gospel. There is a place for law keeping, lets make this clear, but, not – in – connection – with – the – gospel. Not in connection with the forgiveness of sins, not in connection with salvation. You see, they said, without circumcision you cannot be saved, that’s their point, you cannot be saved unless you combine it with law keeping.
So he says in verse nine:
Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, where unto ye desire again to be in bondage?
The message you see, is you just can’t get salvation and forgiveness that way, you just can’t do it by going back and putting the chains on again.
Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
Gal 4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain.
He says he is afraid of them. Did you catch that? No amount of keeping the day will justify anyone any longer. He calls it “weak and beggarly”. This word beggarly is just the word “poor”, its translated in the NT about 39 times “poor”. Romans 8 tells us why it was weak; it was weak on account of the flesh. The sinful part of man makes it impossible. It is weak on account of the flesh.
Gal 4:12 Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.
Gal 4:13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
Gal 4:15 Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.
Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Having looked at the first epistle in the Acts, let us look at the last epistle in the Acts, which is the epistle to the Romans, and see if we can get some instruction from there.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Well, who are these men in subject here? One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeht every day alike. Who are they that do this, esteem the days one above another? Well, it is easy to see that the day in reference is the Sabbath day. The gentile convert has never had the Sabbath, as we have seen. These then are Jews.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.
Now, if the Sabbath day was obligatory here, Paul never could have written those words. He would never say, well, you have a good conscience towards that day, so there is no reason for you not to keep it, no. He would have said, this day is obligatory, and you must keep it. But instead, he says, you gentiles, you’ve never had it, you’ve never kept the Sabbath day. You should be persuaded in your own minds, if you don’t do that for the LORD its ok. In fact, this Sabbath day keeping was the first thing to go when Christ brake it repeatedly.
There is nothing here reinforcing the keeping of the Sabbath day. Don’t be worrying about what they say concerning this Sabbath day. That is the message.
Some might say, the seventh day is past, and now it’s the first day, which is Sunday. Well, I can’t find any scripture to support that. All I can say is, that our Sunday, which is the first day of the week is always called that. The first day of the week. The Christian, evidently, were in the habit of meeting on the first day of the week, and they never called it the Sabbath, no, they called it the first day of the week.
All throughout the Bible, it’s only the seventh day that’s called the Sabbath.
I am going to end it here, but there is much, much more, but it is awfully redundant. Thank you so much for taking the time to read this short study.
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