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I'll be glad to tell you why I shall be voting for Kerry, just not on this topic, this was for all of you to tell me why I should vote for Bush.

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So in other words, you have no desire to defend morality and since Kerry stands purely for immorality you've nothing to say?

The most "worthless" arguments yet have come from you, and talk about vague? You have given absolutely ZERO moral reasons - How does this represent Christianity? Or are you really Christian?

I get the impression you are not, at all - You simply like to pretend as though you are to get them going

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Yeah Tyme! You never posted your reasons for voting for Kerry!

I don't really expect you to answer me, I know you don't have any answer to it except that you hate Bush.

God bless.

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I'll be glad to tell you why I shall be voting for Kerry, just not on this topic, this was for all of you to tell me why I should vote for Bush.

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Last Thursday, night there was a weird moment in Bible Study when someone mention their weird realitives, that are Southern Democrats. Hubby and I looked each other and smiled. Seeing how we are Southern Democrats.

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I'll be glad to tell you why I shall be voting for Kerry, just not on this topic

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More emphasis on Charities helping the poor, not government handouts to help the poor.

Now if I read this correctly, what you are saying is that Instead of using the money they collect in taxes to help the needy, the government wants us to make a separate donation to private charities that will help the poor?

Please verify if I comprehend this correctly.

If this is the path that, it shall go in, then: Will this involve a tax cut for the middle class, or for anyone that has ‘Donated’?

Please explain.

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Enabling people to make their own lives better, not expecting the government to make it better.

This has the makings, or at least sounds as if it is a noble ideal, but it maintains an aura of mystery and vagueness, can you explain by what methods and means this shall be done, and what shall the final product yield to allow for improvement that does not already exist to the current working class citizen?

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Giving children a real education from truly qualified teachers, not a math teacher trying to teach science. And focusing on the curriculum, not social issue in the schools.

Are you referring to the “No Child Left Behind” program that Bush created and has recently cut funding for? Or is this a different plan?

Please explain. As I like this ideal, but I am confused in a manner as it might contradict the above ‘Empowerment” plans that Bush administration has planned.[/QB]

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His belief in defending our country and his belief in things like honor, God and loyalty and truth.

This can be a hot topic, regarding the lies and falsehoods of any administration of the Government. But, if you can offer validation that the “Bush Administration” has maintained a higher level of integrity then pervious administrations, this could stand to be true.

I do not see, not has it been presented that the “Bush Administration” have proven itself to be superior in the above ideals then previous administrations, and in many cases prove to not hold up the above ideals as have a great many of previous administrations.

So I am not sure by what means you are presenting this.

However, I will easily concede that this is more a personal opinion and is open to view point of the individual on this subject, so there is really no debate regarding it.[Quote]


Lies of previous administrations? HMMMM... Could that be.... "that depends on what the meaning of "is" is."....or " I did not have sex with that woman, I mean, Monica Lewinsky."


Of course that was one of his less important lies.

I will agree with you since President Bush has been in office, someone is lying. It's really hard to figure out too. Is Dan Rather lying?
Is it Sandy Berger lying while he stuffs secret documents in his socks? Is it the Swift Boat veterans? Is Tom Browkaw lying? How about O'Reilly? What about the Muslims who want Kerry in office? And why do Democrats and Muslims seem to share the same likes and dislikes? All I know Bush has kept to his same story all through this **** .

The media twists the truth. We had sanctions on Iraq since the first Gulf War. For over 12 years the UN weapons inspecters couldn't really find out for sure if Saddam really had the WMD's or not. Saddam, we now know was playing poker. He didn't want Iran to know that he didn't have squat. So his poker game blew up in his face, because the world didn't know either. Salman Pak was a training camp in Iraq for Al Qaida, they had planes there for the terrorist to practice on. The terrorist leader in Fallujah is connected to Bin Laden.

Fact is this war isn't perfect, nothing is. Pres. Bush did what needed to be done. He didn't want to wait and see if Saddam really had WMD. Saddam had over 12 years to come clean. How long should the UN wait? After 9-11 how long should we have waited? This Islamic terrorists have hated the US since the Iran Hostage taking in 1979, when they deposed the Shah of Iran for their own Muslim cleric. Does the name Ayatollah Komeni ( I know it's spelled wrong) ring any bells. How about the book "Satanic Verses"? Salman Russkie is still under death penalty by Islamic terrorists, for writing that book so long ago.
This war of cultures/religion has been brewing in the background for a long time. 9-11 was our wake up call.

[Quote]He passed the Ban of partial-birth abortion after it passed both houses of Congress.

I do not see this as an improvement, as Partial Birth Abortions are almost never done, accounting for a miniscule amount of overall abortions, and are almost never, if ever, done as a means of “Abortions on Demand” because they are late term, all the woman had gotten past the “OH No, I’m pregnant” so this can be an touchy issue.

I would like to interject that one of the things that still bothers me about this Ban is that it did not allow for the necessity of said abortion to be done to save the life of the mother, thus placing the life of the mother below, or “Less then” the life of the unborn child.

I’ll also concede that they are done, if the child is heavily malformed or not fully formed and does not stand a chance of survival if brought to term, and in this rare case, all that was really done, is prolong the “Infants” suffering, best case is the continued suffering of the “Human” and require yet another person to be dependent on the government for their very life, I still do not see a win here.

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Thank you for your Post WhyteEagle, Truly a great post!

I would like to discuss what you have said, hopefully in a civil way.

Regarding what you said.
What do you mean by “Smaller Government”

Can you define this, as I checked, Bush has plans to implement a 3rd (Third) information collection agency to handle collaboration between the FBI and CIA. Which will result in expansion of the Government Facilities.

Bush as well has created new jobs (This is where the Government hires people to keep the unemployment rate down)

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As well as the “Patriot Act” that empowers government agencies with even more access to our personal information and such, so the cost for equipment to keep track of this, can not by any means “Shrink” the overall size of the federal government.

Please expand upon this point.

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Tax cuts for working people, It's our money.

This is correct in that, it will offer tax cuts for employed persons, but they need to be making in the range of $200,000 or more annual income for it to be beneficial to them. I understand that the ‘Working American” will get a tax cut, but it will not be the average or the majority of our working Americans.

If I am wrong, can you please provide viable information regarding this.

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I'm a working person and I don't make anywhere near 200,000/year. I saw the wonderful changes in the 2003 IRS tax book that helped me, and I got a nice refund this year, in spite of not having any children at home. I consider myself about average, as I own a home and it's just myself and husband. My state taxes were a quite a different matter. My state is Democrat and we have the most members in our state legislature in the country, even though we only have about 1 million people living here. We are taxed to death. I didn't get much back from the state.

[Quote]More self responsibility and less expecting Uncle Sam to take care of you.

This sounds like it has the potential to be beneficial, but as it stands this is a very vague statement. Can you explain this in Depth?[/Quote}

Our country was founded on people who were self-sufficient, such as pioneers, the colonists, and has the heritage of being a country of independant self-starters. I wish to see that mind set continue. I'm against Socialist reforms that make a nanny government and make people dependant on the government.

I'll address the rest later.

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By the way, can you provide a link to what Bush said?

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Your going to have to square this with Jesus some day, when you Die, that you supported someone in the Name of God, who did things you had to turn a blind eye to.

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It is NOT ABOUT ANSWERING questions!!

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Our president speaks from the heart, and he has said things that he hasn't meant before. Whether he believes this or not I don't know. I tend to think he doesn't and what his point was that all Muslims are not terrorists. I don't know. But at least he talks about prayer and Jesus. I haven't heard Kerry mention our Savior once...

But can you answer me as to why you are voting for Kerry now? I really would like to know your reasons.

By the way, can you provide a link to what Bush said?

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You're just full of bitterness and hate aren't you...

I will pray for you my friend.

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How do you get past the Allah is Jehovah statement of Bush. I mean we all know he;s not a Christian, as I doubt that you would agree that Allah of Islam is Jehovah or Yahweh are all the same. I am just wondering this one.

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I’ll ask again how do you deal with the fact that Cheney’s daughter is an practicing open proud homosexual who claims that “Homosexuals are Born that way” and has the support of both the entire Cheney family and Bush family?

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But answer me this Question: “This improves my life in what way?

Better yet: “What is the benefit of this Law to me?”

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You are incorrect on this assumption, Bush will not fight Terror.

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Heh, this is too good. I'm really learning a lot about the liberal view here.

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However he did fail defending this country against the tower attacks (Just the Facts).

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I have no idea why this is valuable to you. No president before him, or do I believe any president after him, regardless, will give control of this country “Over to” anyone.

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Feb 18, 1970: “I’m an internationalist. “I’d like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations.”

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Is this where he “Enforced UN sanctions” but does so “With out Un Approval”?

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He will appoint conservative judges who are moral.

By Who’s standard? His?

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He doesn't change his mind every time the wind blows.

Humm I guess this is what you get when you only get your news form Republican sites. It’s lovely is it not, when you let others tell you what someone else said.

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I would have to say that sums up this confusion the best. You see, you only think Kerry “Flip Flops” because that is what your told to think. Or more to the point, it is what you want to think.

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Kerry has kept this stands, so far, from start to finish. Just like he always has.

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Oh my... That's unreal lol... "I actually voted for the resolution, before I voted against it."

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When asked, Kerry admitted he did things he was not proud of. Like a True Christian, he told the truth and accepted his actions.

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Bush? Well. You know how this story Goes, we can’t even get him to admit he Might have made a mistake about the WMD’s. Talk about a man that will not admit to his mistakes, you can’t repent of your sins, if you don’t admit you have them.

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ROFL. Did you even LOOK at what he said about Iraq above? Your totally contradicting yourself. Oh my...

It's really sad to see how blind you are. But hey, it's a free country. Vote for Kerry if you like.

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P.S.; I have to ask, if you are against Homosexual Agenda so much,

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Not attacks, just the facts Jack.

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Jesus is his Savior.
He outlawed partial birth abortion.
He will fight terror.
He won't give control of our country to the UN.
He won't take a 'Global Test' before defending our nation.
He will appoint conservative judges who are moral.
He doesn't change his mind every time the wind blows.
He hasn't commited war crimes.

I'll add more later as I think of them.

Perhaps you can let us in on your secrets for voting for Kerry.

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1994: The right thing to do is to treat abortions as exactly what they are — a medical procedure that any doctor is free to provide and any pregnant woman free to obtain. Consequently, abortions should not have to be performed in tightly guarded clinics on the edge of town; they should be performed and obtained in the same locations as any other medical procedure.... [A]bortions need to be moved out of the fringes of medicine and into the mainstream of medical practice. And by the same token, if our children are to be safe from the danger of fanaticism, tolerance needs to spread out of the mainstream churches, mosques, and synagogues, and into the religious fringes.

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Jun 7, 2003: "The Republicans want to criminalize the right of women to choose, take us back to the days of back alleys, gag doctors and deny families the right to plan and be aware of their choices - we Democrats want to protect the constitutional right of privacy and make clear that at the center of this struggle is our commitment to have a Supreme Court that will protect the equal rights, the civil rights, and the right to choose in this nation."

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Jun 20, 2003: "I am prepared to filibuster, if necessary, any Supreme Court nominee who would turn back the clock on a woman's right to choose..."

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Jul 5, 2004: I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception.

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2001: Two years ago he signed a letter with other congressional colleagues urging the Massachusetts legislature to drop a constitutional amendment outlawing homosexual nuptials. "This is an unconstitutional, unprecedented, unnecessary and mean-spirited bill,"

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Feb 23, 1998: "Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East."

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Oct 9, 1998: "We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."

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Sep 6, 2002: "If Saddam Hussein is unwilling to bend to the international community's already existing order, then he will have invited enforcement, even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act."

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Oct 9, 2002: "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."

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Oct 9, 2002: The Iraqi regime's record over the decade leaves little doubt that Saddam Hussein wants to retain his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and to expand it to include nuclear weapons. We cannot allow him to prevail in that quest

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The truth is there for all of you to see. There comes a point when you either accept the truth or deny it and stick your head in the sand. Unfortunately, you Kerry supporters will still not see the truth but I thought I would POST the truth anyway. Sometimes the truth is too hard to accept and so the lie is followed...

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