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quote:
Originally posted by David:
"JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED"

Judge not?


This is a warning against self-righteous severity, not a command to be neutral toward moral issues.

"You're not supposed to judge me!"


Was this to my response? [1zhelp]

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"JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED"

Judge not?

Matthew 7
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

This is a warning against self-righteous severity, not a command to be neutral toward moral issues.

"You're not supposed to judge me!"

This is a verse that is often said and, often misused. In other words, its taken out of context. The people that use this verse often use it to stop me (or others) from pointing out their sinful life and their need for salvation. This verse even has some Christians confused, and it hinders their attempts to share the gospel. To convince them that they need salvation, you first must convince them of their sin.

I get so tired of people using this verse to tell everyone not to say any thing about sin. It is not a verse to tell us to keep quit on sin. We are to expose sin!

Jesus Christ is the one whom stated the below, and we are to be like him:

MATTHEW 23: Jesus publicly rebuked the hypocrites, "Woe unto you... hypocrites!...ye blind guides...fools...full of extortion and excess...whited sepulchres...full of hypocrisy and iniquity...Woe unto you...Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"

Judge not, that ye be not judged. We cannot help judging. Gossip is a mass of verdicts on our neighbor's conduct, and everybody talks about his neighbors. Politics, national or international, is considerably concerned with judgments. These are inevitable: appraisals are a stock in trade of the mind. Ethical verdicts gather into worthy tradition. Who can rightly remain silent in face of flagrant wrong? So we must be clear about the meaning of this word: Jesus here speaks of censorious judgment and too quick condemnation. He draws a line between ethical appraisal and sharp-tongued criticism, and bids us keep on the right side of the line. He says that critical censure is a boomerang.

This does not mean that we are to stick our head in the sand and not judge every spirit!

1 John 4:1-3 (KJV)
1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Please take the time and read the below:

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"JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED"

is often quoted by THE HYPOCRITES to those who
PUBLICLY OPPOSE SIN.

Let's look at the passage in its context:

MATTHEW 7:1-5:

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull the mote out of thine eye; and behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast the mote out of thy brother's eye."

Clearly, it is hypocritical judgment that this Scripture condemns. (Look at verse 6, and 13-15 to see that Christ actually instructs them to make judgments!) A hypocritical judgment is judging something for something of which you are also guilty - LIKE TELLING ME NOT TO JUDGE WHEN YOU ARE JUDGING ME! This passage means the opposite of what hypocrites often interpret it to mean! Jesus’ point is for hypocrites to pluck the beam of sin out of their own eye so that they can see clearly to cast the mote out of their neighbor’s eye.

Let's look at some other Scriptures...

JOHN 7:14: "Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

LUKE 12:57: "Yea, and why not even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?"

PSALM 37:30: "The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment."

PROVERBS 31:9: "Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy."

LUKE 17:3: "Take heed... If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him."

LEVITICUS 19:15-17: "Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbor. Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbor: I am the Lord. Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbor, and not suffer sin upon him."

EZEKIEL 22:2 & 23:36: "Now, thou son of man, wilt thou judge, wilt thou judge the bloody city? Yea, thou shalt show her all her abominations... The Lord said moreover unto me, Son of man, wilt thou judge Aholah and Aholibah? Yea, declare unto them their abominations."

ISAIAH 58:1: "Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew My people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins."

MATTHEW 3:2,7: John the Baptist preaching, "Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?"

MATTHEW 23: Jesus publicly rebuked the hypocrites, "Woe unto you... hypocrites!...ye blind guides...fools...full of extortion and excess...whited sepulchres...full of hypocrisy and iniquity...Woe unto you...Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"

ACTS 7:51: Deacon Stephen said to the mob that ended up stoning him, "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in hearts and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye." (Read the whole chapter - No fear-of-man patty cake here!)

ACTS 13:10: The Apostle Paul says to a man who hindered the Gospel, "O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?"

ACTS 8:20-23: Here the Apostle Peter severely rebukes a baby Christian who commits one sin: "Thy money perish with thee... Thy heart is not right in the sight of God.Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitter-ness, and in the bond of iniquity."

I CORINTHIANS 2:15; 6:2-3: "He that is spiritual judgeth all things... Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? How much more things that pertain to this life?"

JOHN 3:18-19: "He that believeth on Him (JESUS) is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already,because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

JOHN 12:48: JESUS CHRIST said, "He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."

***It is God that sets the standard and passes the judgment. We simply pass on the information.

No man has any right to define what is right and wrong - ONLY God! Those who reject God's laws and judgments and trust in their own judgments are the ones guilty of judging in the worst sense of the word. For example, the person that says premarital sex is okay is judging just as much as the person who says it is sin. What right do you have to judge another human being? (It works both ways.) God is the ultimate Judge, and it is up to us to submit unto His judgments. The Psalmist said,

"With my lips have I declared all the judgments of THY mouth." (Psalm 119:13) Whose judgments do you declare?


QUESTION: What are God's judgments?

Here are some...

*IDOLATERS (those who love self, anyone, or anything more than their God) are headed for the lake of fire

*THOSE WHO TAKE GOD'S NAME IN VAIN and THOSE WHO CURSE THEIR NEIGHBORS will be cursed by God

*THOSE WHO DISHONOR THEIR PARENTS will be damned forever

*THOSE WHO INDULGE IN PREMARITAL SEX or EXTRAMARITAL SEX will suffer the eternal torments of fire and brimstone

*HOMOSEXUALS will bear the fierce vengeance of their HOLY CREATOR on the Day of Woe and Doom

*FILTHY PORN-ADDICTS will suffer everlasting punishments

*DRUNKARDS will sup the cup of the wrath of Almighty God

*THOSE WHO MURDER (esp. PRO-CHOICERS who murder innocent babies) will experience the terrible second death

*WITCHES AND SORCERERS will bow to Jesus and confess He is Lord before being bound hand and foot and cast into hell

*LIARS will be condemned by their own words

*THIEVES will pay for their crimes in the courtroom of eternal justice

*THOSE WHO DO NOT SUBMIT TO JESUS will be judged "Guilty" by Him on JUDGMENT DAY, and be cast into eternal hellfire

(See Exodus 20, I Corin. 6:9-11, Galat. 5:19-21, Matt. 5:27-30, Ephes. 5:5-6, Colos. 3:5-6, Revel. 21:8 & 22:14-15...)


***The Bible tells us why so many do not understand preaching on judgment. It is because they are evil fools, destitute of all wisdom and knowledge!

"EVIL MEN understand not judgment, but they that seek the Lord understand all things." (Proverbs 28:5). "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but FOOLS despise wisdom and instruction." (Prov.1:7; see also Prov.9:7-10)

"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." Written by King Solomon, the wisest man that ever lived, in Ecclesiastes 12:13-14.

FEAR GOD and REPENT of ALL your sins NOW!

From: http://www.wherethetruthhurts.org/tractsbooksread.php?w=7&p=1


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"JUDGE NOT, THAT YE BE NOT JUDGED"

Concerning the proper application of Matthew 7:1

It is not very often we hear this verse quoted accurately. More often than not when a Christian speaks of sin, a form of this verse is quoted as, "You're not supposed to judge," or, "We're not supposed to judge."

Let's reexamine Matthew 7:1,2 -

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

A poor paraphrase of Matthew 7:1 is often quoted without considering Matthew 7:2. Notice again what verse 2 says: "For with what (judgment ye judge), ye shall be judged: and (with what measure ye mete), it shall be measured to you again."

Some people have been so misled into believing that love equals tolerance they have with all-out enthusiasm adopted the position that Christians can't identify sin, because that would be judging. Yet Matthew 7:2 says, "For with what judgment ye judge." This Scripture acknowledges that everyone judges.

What we need to be sure of is that our judgment is not based on our own understanding. Proverbs 3:5 is a key text to understanding what Matthew 7:1 is teaching about judging. It reads: "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding."

The word "understanding" is a synonymous term for "judging." These two words (understanding and judgment) both refer to one's ability to discern between right and wrong. Judgment needs to be righteous judgment; that is, based on the Word of God. John 7:24 reads: "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

Jesus' words recorded in John 5:30, 31 refer to the same thought as Matthew 7:1:

"I can of Mine own Self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and My judgment is just; because I seek not Mine own will, but the will of the Father Which hath sent me. If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true."

Jesus is saying His judgment is not His judgment, but, rather, the will of the Father. Jesus was in total agreement with the Father. In fact, Jesus and the Father were one (John 10:30).

Christians should pattern themselves after Jesus, obviously. Our judgment should not be our own judgment, but, rather, our judgment should be righteous judgment (John 7:24). Righteous judgment is not our own judgment. It is the judgment of God that we are in agreement with.

John 8:15,16 records Jesus' words as follows:

"Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. And yet if I judge, My judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father That sent me."

Jesus said He did not judge any man. Then he says, "And yet if I judge." Is this a paradox? No. Jesus only did the things which were His Father's will (John 7:16-18). The objection might then be raised, even though Jesus said He judged no man, that if one were to identify sin, that such a person is judging, and that isn't proper. Usually this thought is followed by the statement that only Jesus was perfect, and, therefore, He is the only one qualified to identify sin.

A reading from 1 Corinthians 2:15,16 should clear this up: "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the LORD, that he may instruct Him? (But we have the mind of Christ.)" Yes, the body of Christ, the church, must be connected to the head (mind), Jesus Christ.

Romans chapters 1 and 2 warn us of what happens when people judge for themselves, apart from the Word of God. Romans 1:32 reads:

"Who (knowing the judgment of God), that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

The first two verses of Romans 2 really build upon this, too:

"Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things."

Notice, these verses are not speaking about judging according to what God has outlined in His Word; but, rather, these verses make the point that these know the judgment of God (Romans 1:32), but willingly decide to go against the judgment of God (Romans 2:1).

When Matthew 7:1 makes the statement to "judge not," it means one does not have the right to decide what things are right and what things are wrong. If one makes decisions based on one's feelings, this is judging. If one makes decisions based on what is permissible or popular, one could very well be judging. If one makes decisions based on what might be most beneficial under the circumstances, one is judging.

If one makes decisions based on the Word of God, God remains the Judge, and we are merely in agreement with what God has said. This is "righteous judgment." See John 8:15,16 again.

If one agrees with all that God has said, one has an obligation to identify sin or faults -- not with the intent to condemn, but, rather, with the motive to restore. Galatians 6:1 reads: "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual restore such an one in the spirit of meekness, considering thyself lest thou also be tempted." This Scripture is clear that we are to attempt to restore those who are overtaken in a fault.

One must first recognize what constitutes a fault (sin) before one can identify it. Man's judgment, apart from God's revealed Word, is not adequate for this task. Identifying sin is not judging. Judging is the determination of what is right and wrong. Allowing sin to go unchecked in the name of tolerance is judging indeed because one has, directly or by acquiescence, given a nod of approval to the sinful course in defiance to God (Romans 1:32; 2:1).

Usually when one approaches this topic, Matthew 7:3-6 is brought into the discussion. When one examines these passages, however, one finds they are referring to the ability to see clearly. These verses more aptly fit with verses 22 and 23 of Matthew 7. Also verse 3 begins with the word "And." A similar usage occurs in Matthew 6:28 when Jesus changes His thought from one's stature to one's raiment.

By: Ken Mansfield

From: http://home.flash.net/~thinkman/articles/judgenot.htm

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THE QUESTION OF BIBLICAL JUDGMENT

Christians are often told that we are not to judge others but is it true that the Holy Bible tells us that we are not to make judgements? Did the Lord Jesus himself tell us not to judge others? Is it not necessary for us to make judgements every day of our lives? Of course, we do it without question.

What then is the truth? The writer, Bob Allen, has compiled the record with the aid of his computer and the software of BibleSoft. Clearly, the problem is one of making righteous judgement. Surely, as admirable as it may be, the record shows that those who avoid judging the behavior of others are taking the Lord's words out of context. But let us begin with the "hard sayings" of St. Paul because he affirms that "the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good: (Romans 7:12). Paul actually internalizes God's commandments. "For I delight in the law of God, in my inmost self," (verse 22). The apostle denounces the idea that Christians, through faith, "overthrow the law". He declares instead that "we uphold the law" (Romans 3:31).

Here is the New Testament record:

Luke 7:43
and the Lord Jesus said unto him: "Thou hast rightly judged."

Luke 12:57
"Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?" (KJV)

"And why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right?" (NAS)

"Tell me, why do you not judge for yourselves what is just?" (NAB)

"Why do you not of yourselves judge what is right?"
(LAMSA translation from Aramaic language of Christ and the Apostles.)

John 7:24
"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." (KJV)

"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." (NAS)

"Stop judging by appearances and make an honest judgment." (NAB).

"Do not judge by partiality, but judge a just judgment." (LAMSA)

1Cor.2:15-16
"But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ." (KJV)

"But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no man. For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him?" (NAS)

1Cor.2:15
"The spiritual man, on the other hand, can appraise everything, though he himself can be appraised by no one. 16) For, who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ." (NAB).

"But the spiritual man discerns every thing, and yet no man can discern him. (LAMSA)

Rom.6:13, 16, 18
"...Yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God." 16) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" 18) Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness."

II Cor.11:15
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

2 Tim. 2:15
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

2 Pet. 3:13
"... according to His promise, look for New Heavens and a New Earth, herein dwelleth righteousness.

1John 2:29
"If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of Him." 3:10) "..whosoever doeth NOT righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."


THE EVIDENCE SURELY INDICATES THAT CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO MAKE RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENTS. MORE IMPORTANTLY CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO BE RIGHTEOUS. WHY? HERE AGAIN IS THE EVIDENCE:

Matt. 7:1-2
"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged: (KJV).

"Do not judge lest you be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you" (NAS).

"If you want to avoid judgment, stop passing judgment. Your verdict on others will be the verdict passed on you. The measure with which you measure will be used to measure you (NAB).

"Judge not, that you may not be judged. For with the same judgment that you judge, you will be judged, and with the same measure with which you measure, it will be measured to you. (LAMSA).

And from the Old Testament:

Deut. 1:16
"And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him."

Prov. 31:9
"Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy."

Isa. 16:5
"And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness" (KJV).

"A throne will even be established in loving kindness. And a judge will sit on it in faithfulness in the tent of David; Moreover, he will seek justice and be prompt in righteousness" (NAS).

"A throne shall be set up in mercy, and on it shall sit in fidelity (in David's tent.) A judge upholding right and prompt to do justice" (NAB).

"In mercy shall a throne be established, and he shall sit upon it, in truth in the tabernacle of David, a judge who seeks justice and hastens righteousness" (LAMSA).

From: http://www.metamind.net/judgement.html

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quote:
Originally posted by Kristi:
I grew up listening to her, I liked her music and more than likely still do. I used to have her grestist hits C/D somewhere, I don't know where it is anymore.

We all have a choice, God gave everyone a free will. While we might not always agree on somethings. It's best to agree to disagree.

Linda, has a free Will just like we do. So, Who are we to Judge her, after all Jesus said not to Judge (Matthew 7:1-5) !! I am sorry I really didn't want this to turn into a debate.

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If we put the shoe on the correct foot, it is obvious that she came out judging us.
The political end of this is that the liberal left wants to express their views, but not allow anyone to do so who disagrees with them. That is commonly found in the form of "censorship."

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I agree about the judging and I do love her music.
But, if she can't stand to be around Christians, then she would feel uncomfortable in Heaven.
Seriously, I believe that she in uncomfortable around Christians because she does not have the spirit of God in her.
We can like her and I do but we can't save her only her own personal faith in Jesus can.

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I grew up listening to her, I liked her music and more than likely still do. I used to have her grestist hits C/D somewhere, I don't know where it is anymore.

We all have a choice, God gave everyone a free will. While we might not always agree on somethings. It's best to agree to disagree.

Linda, has a free Will just like we do. So, Who are we to Judge her, after all Jesus said not to Judge (Matthew 7:1-5) !! I am sorry I really didn't want this to turn into a debate.

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If she doesn't get herself right with God, she may be spending eternity with out any Christians around.

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"...it's time for people to speak up and not pipe down."

So, if she speaks up, are Christians and Republicans supposed to pipe down? After all, she'd rather not know when we're in the audience.

All those people went to hear her music, not her political opinions.

Ironic. If she never praised Michael Moore (no relation), she would have never found out how many "Republicans and Christians" were in her audience.

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Linda Ronstadt: I Don`t Like Singing for Christians

..."It`s a real conflict for me when I go to a concert and find out somebody in the audience is a Republican or fundamental Christian. It can cloud my enjoyment. I`d rather not know"...

Read on...

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