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You accused me of something and will not show any proof of your accusations.

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Originally posted by MentorsRiddle:
You see...

I have no temper.

You accused me of something and will not show any proof of your accusations.

I am not angry, I am confused.

Confused at your attitude towards me when I have shown nothing but respect for you in the past, and only recently, when I told Eden that I agreed with a post of his that was good did you get angry at me.

Honestly, I am not afraid at all of getting banned, because I have said nothing against the rules, nor insulted anyone.

I have spoken the truth.

I am asking you now, in the Name of Christ Jesus, if you have something against me, let it be known or hold your peace with me in the future.

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Originally posted by MentorsRiddle:
See, you can't do it...

You can't give me one example, except that based from your own mind and emotions.

You can't give one...

Why? Because I haven't said anything un-biblical.

Nothing.


As a matter of fact: Please ANYONE, ANYONE please give me an example of how I have flown in the face of God's word -- anyone.

I want to know.

I can't correct myself unless I have examples to go by.

But you know what? You won't find a single one.

Because I remain true to God's word.

Carol, do you feel I have gone against God's word?

Texax Grandma AKA Betty, do you feel I have gone against God's word/

Caretaker, Do you feel I have gone against God's word?

Can anyone give me an example.

This has to end...

I make a message about peace and unification and it turns into another "You are saying this wrong, you are doing that wrong" thread...

I WANT TO LEARN HOW TO CORRECT MYSELF -- I WANT TO KNOW WHAT I DID THAT WAS SO WRONG.

But you can't give it.

Now, in defence of Eden - he offered to show you proof of the things you asked, WildB -- but you threw it back in his face and said no.

He expressed in other threads on why he didn't want to give that information, but was willing to put himself out on a limb and give YOU that info... But you said no.

I don't think it had anything to do with Carol having the righ to see it -- because she doesn't have that right ( No offence intended Carol )

Only Eden has the right to do with that information what he willed... he willed to offer that info to you, and you rejected it.


Eden even said in this message he didn't want to go into the JW talk... but people kept prodding him so he did.

He gave into what you wanted.

As I've said before, I don't agree with ALOT of the things Eden has said.

I don't beleive in JW teachings...

But how did you expect him to grow as a Christian if you couldn't calmly listen to what he said and rebuttle him.

It should be clear that anger gives birth to more anger....

You, WildB, have compared me to a Dog, an unclean toilet, and claimed that I am "sowing weed seeds" which I find to be insulting to a great degree and VERY VERY VERY non-Christianlike behaviour.

You have gone even further to imply that I am Eden.

ANYONE that has ever taken the time to get to know me, knows that I am not Eden.

Carol knows this.

I would hope Betty Knows this, as I was here when she was Texas Grandma long before Eden or Born Again ever showed up on this board.

So, please no rebuttles with a lack of proof.

Give me the proof I asked of how I sowed weed seed...

I didn't. And you know it.

I have now presented this letter before everyone on this board.

I want anyone to correct me... anyone.

I want to have a calm talk on everything and if I'm in the wrong, I will admit it.

I've admited it in the past, and it's certainly not above me to do it again.

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Originally posted by MentorsRiddle:
Again I ask...

Please provide examples of how I did this...

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Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
Eden's false teaching = weed seed

You encouraged Eden = watering weed seed

Supporter of Eden = puppet; maybe even Eden himself logged-on under your name.

Baseball fans = visitors to the forum

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Originally posted by MentorsRiddle:
Are you refering to a previous post you made?

Do you think I'm Eden?

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Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
Me too. Including the most important thing of all, the good news of salvation by grace through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.

1. We must acknowledge God as the Creator of everything, accepting our humble position in God's created order and purpose. Romans 1:20-21:

"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened."

2. We must realize that we are sinners and that we need forgiveness. None of us are worthy under God’s standards. Romans 3:23:

“For all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God.”

3. God gave us the way to be forgiven of our sins. He showed us His love by giving us the potential for life through the death of His Son, Jesus Christ. Romans 5:8:

“But God demonstrates His love toward us, in that, while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

4. If we repent of our sins, and accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, we will have eternal life. Romans 6:23:

“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

5. Confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead. Romans 10:9-10:

“That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”

6. Determine in your heart to make Jesus Christ the Lord of your life today. Romans 11:36:

"For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen."

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How blessed we are that our Lord Jesus Christ cared enough about others to give His life for us.

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But just remember that ultimately my number one priority is to make sure I myself am saved, and anyone else is secondary, okay?

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Watchtower Error Check List:

* They don't worship the Jehovah of the Bible
* They deny the Deity of Christ
* They deny the physical Resurrection of Jesus
* They deny the physical return of Christ
* They deny the Mediation of Jesus Christ
* They deny the Person of the Holy Spirit

They don't worship the Jehovah of the Bible:

Watchtower teaching:

"Actually, by teaching that God is omnipresent Christendom has confused matters and made it more difficult for God to be real to his worshipers." (Watchtower 2/15 1981 page 6)

Biblical Teaching:

"..do I not fill the heavens and earth? says Jehovah" (Jer23:24) "Where shall I go from Your Spirit? Or where shall I flee from Your presence? [in whatever places a person may go] even there shall Your hand lead me..." (Ps139:5-10) "I am Jehovah who makes all things..." (Is44:24-28)

They deny the Deity of Christ:

Watchtower Teaching:

1. Jesus is a created being: "Thus, Jesus had an existence in heaven before coming to the earth. But was it as one of the persons in an almighty, eternal triune Godhead? No, for the Bible plainly states that in his prehuman existence, Jesus was a created spirit being, just as angels were spirit beings created by God. Neither the angels nor Jesus had existed before their creation." (Trinity Brochure page 14)

2. Jesus is Michael the Archangel: "Reasonably, then, the archangel Michael is Jesus Christ" (Reasoning from the Scriptures page 218)

3. The JW "bible" states: "In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god." (Jn1:1) Notice the article "a" and lower-case "god". With this wording they proclaim that Jesus was -one- of 'many' gods.

Biblical Teaching:

1. Jesus created all things that were created, therefore it is impossible that he is a created being, unless he created himself. John1:3; Col1:16

2. Jesus is King of the kingdom. If Heb2:5 is true then it is impossible that Jesus is an angel, even an archangel. "..His Son...by Whom also He made the worlds...Who being...the express image of His essence..having made purification of our sins, He sat down on the right of the Majesty on high, being made so much better than the angels...for to which of the angels did He say at any time, 'You are My Son, this day I have begotten Thee?' ... "You, Lord, have laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the works of Your hands...but to which of the angels did He say at any time, 'Sit on My right hand until I make Your enemies Your footstool?' Are they [the angels] not all ministering spirits...?" (~Heb-ch1)

3. "Hear, O, Israel. Jehovah our God is one Jehovah." (Deu6:4) "I and the Father are One." (Jn10:30) "You shall have no other gods before Me." (Ex20:3)

They deny the physical resurrection of Jesus:

Watchtower Teaching:

"Having given up his flesh for the life of the world, Christ could never take it again and become a man once more." (Live forever page 143)

"Illustration: If a man pays a debt for a friend but then promptly takes back the payment, obviously the debt continues. Likewise, if, when he was resurrected, Jesus had taken back his human body of flesh and blood, which had been given in sacrifice to pay the ransom price, what effect would that have had on the provision he was making to relieve faithful persons of the debt of sin?" (Reasoning from the Scriptures page 217)

Biblical Teaching:

Jesus would lay down the "temple of his body" and raise it up on the third day. Jn2:19-21

The word resurrection means that what died was raised up. If Jesus's body was not raised after it died then there was no resurrection. If there was no resurrection then our faith is in vain. 1Cor15:14 "But now Christ has risen from the dead" (vs20)

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They (the JWs) DO NOT support Romans 10:9, in their teaching. They do not support the physical resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. To the JW the Lord Jesus was not raised physically from the dead, resurrected, but spiritually and the physical body re-created as needed.

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Okay, I'll go by their Kingdom Hall and ask them what they think about your quoted statement, okay? I'll quote it to them just as you said and then I'll get back to you.

But just remember that ultimately my number one priority is to make sure I myself am saved, and anyone else is secondary, okay?

Philippians 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling.

love, Eden

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They (the JWs) DO NOT support Romans 10:9, in their teaching. They do not support the physical resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. To the JW the Lord Jesus was not raised physically from the dead, resurrected, but spiritually and the physical body re-created as needed.

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you believe ... as long as anyone uses the name Jesus they are saved.

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As long as they are referring to Jesus of Nazareth and believe two basic things about Him, namely that He died for their sins and that He was and is the Son of God of Israel, then that person is saved, yes.

Romans 10
9 That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved.

If JWs believe Romans 10:9, then they should be saved by Jesus, according to the scriptures?

In any case, I'm not a JW and am instead a Protestant bornagain type Christian. Ultimately it will be between God and the JW individuals to decide whether any of them are saved or not, just as God has to decide that about Prostestant bornagain type Christians.

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Do you think you might be wrong in thinking the below quote?

You (Eden) said, "I do happen to think that Jehovah Witnesses will be saved because they believe that Jesus died for their sins and rose from the dead and that Jesus is the Son of God."

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you believe ... as long as anyone uses the name Jesus they are saved.

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Bloodbought wrote to Eden (with the help of a smiley face)[quote[And, would you admit that you may have been wrong in the past?

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JW’s believe that Jesus Christ was a perfect man, and that He is a person distinct from God the Father. However, they also teach that before His earthly life, Jesus was a spirit creature, Michael the archangel, who was created by God and became the Messiah at His baptism. According to Jehovah’s Witnesses, Jesus is a mighty one, although not almighty as Jehovah God is. According to John 1:1 in their Bible, The New World Translation, Christ is “a god,” but not “the God.” They teach that Jesus “was and is and always will be beneath Jehovah” and that “Christ and God are not coequal”.

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As for what the JWs believe exactly about the Son of God, I'll have to check up on. I have their Bible Dictionary here which they gave me some years ago, and I'll read the section on the Son of God and see what it says and get back to you.

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I do happen to think that Jehovah Witnesses will be saved because they believe that Jesus died for their sins and rose from the dead and that Jesus is the Son of God,

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I agree. As for what the JWs believe exactly about the Son of God, I'll have to check up on. I have their Bible Dictionary here which they gave me some years ago, and I'll read the section on the Son of God and see what it says and get back to you.

But just off the top of my head, I would think that a "son" of God would automatically be "God", just like a "son" of a human is automatically a human.

love, Eden

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no one will be saved who does not believe that Jesus is God. Do you agree?

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I didn’t know he was a JW.

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I don't know, Eden/BA/TW could have resolved the problem a long time ago, but he has never apologized nor has he ever repented, clear back in 2002 when he was a staunch defender of his Jehovah's Witness "brethren" and their theology.

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Never has he apologized, never has he repented. He just ignores and merrily goes on to other topics.

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Originally posted by MentorsRiddle:
I loved your post, Caretaker.

I mainly put my post that I did because I want us all to stop fighting and be brothers and sisters like God wants for us.

I know there will always be trouble, storms and temptations -- not to mention people who say things you disagree with...

I guess I just feel there has to be a better way to resolve differences sometimes.

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