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Eden
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I used to ask the Lord to heal the pain in my right abdominal area that I've had for 4 months ...
But more recently I realized that "healing was included in the salvation package", so now I instead thank the Lord by saying, "Lord, I thank You that healing is included in my salvation package".
And I've been feeling a lot better lately.
love, Eden
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becauseHElives
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1 Corinthians 13 must be rightly divided to discern the Truth!
7Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
answer when will the perfect come is future, will only come when we are physically in Yahweh's presence...
12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
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everything available to the first century Church is available to the 21st century Church .....
if not Yahweh becomes a lair....
Yahweh does always heal, but some never experience their healing until they have endured till the end of their race....
healing like everything else is not about us but about Yahweh receiving Glory.....
I know first hand Yahweh heals, my 1st born had cancer of the kidneys (whelms tumor)when she was 14months old in 1975.... Doctor Harburg at Texas Children in Houston said she would never see her 5th birthday......she is now 35 years old, given birth to 10 children and has not seen a medical doctor of any kind since Yahweh healed her 33 years ago....all 10 children have been born at home.......
the Bennie Hinn's and the like are a shame and a disgrace to the reality found in True faith...
Yahweh is the same yesterday, today and forever.....
preaching and healing go hand and hand, they can not be separated!
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Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )
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Caretaker
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God heals but many times He waits till we get Home.
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16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..
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Betty Louise
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Jhn 5:1
AFTER this there was a feast of the Jews, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
Jhn 5:2
Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, which is called in Hebrew, Bethesda,[fn1] having five porches.
Jhn 5:3
In these lay a great multitude of sick people, blind, lame, paralyzed, waiting for the moving of the water.
Jhn 5:4
For an angel went down at a certain time into the pool and stirred up the water; then whoever stepped in first, after the stirring of the water, was made well of whatever disease he had.[fn2]
Jhn 5:5
Now a certain man was there who had an infirmity thirty-eight years.
Jhn 5:6
When Jesus saw him lying there, and knew that he already had been in that condition a long time, He said to him, "Do you want to be made well?"
Jhn 5:7
The sick man answered Him, "Sir, I have no man to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up; but while I am coming, another steps down before me."
Jhn 5:8
Jesus said to him, "Rise, take up your bed and walk."
Jhn 5:9
And immediately the man was made well, took up his bed, and walked. And that day was the Sabbath.
Jhn 5:10
The Jews therefore said to him who was cured, "It is the Sabbath; it is not lawful for you to carry your bed."
Jhn 5:11
He answered them, "He who made me well said to me, 'Take up your bed and walk.'"
Jhn 5:12
Then they asked him, "Who is the Man who said to you, 'Take up your bed and walk'?"
Jhn 5:13
But the one who was healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, a multitude being in that place.
Jhn 5:14
Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, "See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you."
Jhn 5:15
The man departed and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.
We studied that Wednesday night. Our Pastor brought up something that I had never thought about. There were many needing healing that day, but God chose to heal only one.
I believe in healing. I believe we should always pray for God to heal. But sometimes, God heals a person by taking them to Heaven. When my dad died, I wanted him to be healed on earth, but God gave me peace that dad's healing was in Heaven.
I still believe in having the elders anoint a person with oil and praying over them. I was suppose to be born dead. The doctor told my mom to abort me because I was dead. But God brought me forth alive. I have seen others healed.
This said, I also think we should be careful not to judge a person who is not healed. Just because they are not healed does not mean that person lacks faith.
I get where you are coming from though. I know a person who left a Church because he got mad when the Pastor anointed a child with oil and he and the board members prayed over the child. The person who left was a board member also, but he does not believe in healing.
We should never attempt to restrict God. We should be open to His will. God has not lost the ability to do miracles. Could it be why Churches in America have seen less healing in our generation, is that we have become like the Children of Israel during Jesus day, looking only for the signs and not the God who does the sign?
Has there been to many preachers who faked miracles in order to increase their numbers.
God is still working today, but maybe He works more in a small Churches and homes, where simple people pray for God's help and are not about seeking fame from God's help? Just something to think about.
Betty
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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Are the Pentecostal Signs Being Restored?
By Cornelius R. Stam
With convincing "signs and wonders" being wrought all about us in increasing numbers, some are being carried away from the truths so clearly set forth for our day in the epistles of Paul.
Some have concluded from these "supernatural manifestations" that toward the close of this present dispensation we may expect a revival of the divine gifts of tongues, healing, etc.
As to healing, may we first point out that no instructed believer in Pauline truth questions that God can and often does heal the sick and infirm as, for example, in the case of Epaphroditus (Phil. 2:25-27). We believe too that God is constantly working miracles. But we deny that healers and miracle workers, or that signs and miraculous demonstrations, have any part in God's program for today.
First, the apostle did not say in I Corinthians 13:8 that the gifts of prophecy, tongues and knowledge would be done away until the closing days of the dispensation. He simply declared that these miraculous manifestations were to be done away (i.e., In this new dispensation), and that "faith, hope and love" would "abide" (Ver. 13). Nor is there any indication in the Pauline epistles that the Pentecostal signs are to be restored at the close of this dispensation.
The apostle does declare, however, that after the close of the dispensation of grace, the "man of sin" will appear "with all power and signs and lying wonders" (II Thes. 2:9). In this the apostle confirms what our Lord says in Matthew 24:24 about the same period of time:
"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."
During the "tribulation period," then, after the members of the Body of Christ have been "caught up" to be with the Lord, the ministers of Satan, from Antichrist down, will come with "all power and signs and lying wonders," to deceive, if possible, "the very elect."
But now let us see how this affects us today.
In the very same passage about Antichrist and his "power, and signs, and lying wonders," the apostle warns that
"...the mystery of iniquity doth already work..." (II Thes. 2:7).
What does all this tell us about the multiplied miraculous manifestations we are seeing all about us as the days grow darker: tongues, healing, prophecies, ESP, witchcraft, spiritism, exorcism, etc., not to mention false doctrine? Obviously it tells us that these are not of God, but of Satan.
A wondrous manifestation is to some the end of all argument. So-and-so must be of God or he could not work these miracles! But the above passages from the Scriptures tell us differently. Satan has power. He can work wonders, but he does so to deceive men and draw them away from the truth of God's glorious purpose and grace.
Indeed, the apostle, in I Timothy 4:1, issues a stern warning to this effect:
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith,1 giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils [demons]."
This is why the apostle rightly urges all believers:
"Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness [wicked spirits] in high [heavenly] places" (Eph. 6:11,12).
Be not deceived. Satan is not a grotesque creature with horns, hooves, a tail and a pitchfork. He inspired that caricature to draw attention away from himself, for when the apostle warns of "false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apos-tles of Christ" (II Cor. 11:13), he adds:
"And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
"Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness..." (Vers. 14,15).
There you have it! If Satan did appear as men portray him, the multitudes would flee from him. But "an angel of light" with "ministers of righteousness"! This attracts the unwary.
But here is one who is stricken with some deadly disease. He is taken to a healing meeting and, seemingly at least, is completely restored. Can this possibly be of Satan?
Why not? Besides all his other powers, is it not he that inflicts sickness and disease? Think of the case of Job. Did not God permit Satan to bring Job to the point of death, physically (Job 2:4-9)? Think of Paul himself. Was it not "a messenger of Satan" who was sent to "buffet" him until he cried again and again for deliverance (II Cor. 12:7,8)? And is it not clearly stated in Hebrews 2:14 that for the pres-ent Satan has "the power of death"?
If it is Satan, then, who inflicts sickness and disease, why cannot Satan stop inflicting them? Why can he not—why would he not, withdraw the illness he has inflicted if this will cause you to center your interest on the wrong thing, and cause you to walk by sight, rather than by faith?
We specially mention bodily healing because most people are attracted and convinced by this sort of supernatural demonstration. But the physical healings under our Lord's earthly ministry and at Pentecost were "signs." Signs of what? They were signs of the Messiahship of Christ. Had He been accepted as King, all those thus healed would have gone into the prophesied kingdom, where sickness and disease would never again overtake them.
This is not so today, for the King and His kingdom have been rejected, and the reign of Christ on earth now awaits a future day. Thus it is that those who are "healed," all finally die like the rest. Though "healed" again and again, there always comes that last time when nothing avails.
One of the saddest aspects of the modern healing campaign is the long, sad trail of disillusionment and shaken faith it leaves behind. Some are not healed at all, and even those who are "healed" finally come to "that last time" when Hebrews 9:27 is fulfilled, for "it is appointed unto men once to die."
What a list could be made of all those who once sincerely preached that it was a lack of faith, a sin, not to claim and expect from God a strong, sound body, yet they themselves all died. After the long list of the greatest of all these "healers" could be copied those familiar words from Genesis 5: "and he died...and he died...and he died"!
Pastor J. C. O'Hair rightly said that despite the claims of all the Christian Scientists, the Roman Catholics, the Pentecostalists, and all the other "healing" folk, the death rate still remains one apiece.
How much better, then, to walk by faith and leave ourselves in His loving hands to do as He sees is best for us?
Thus we beg our Christian readers not to be carried away with amazing demonstrations that can only beguile us to take our eyes off Him. Rather let us heed the Spirit's exhortation through Paul:
"Be careful2 for nothing; but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known unto God.
"And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus" (Phil. 4:6,7).
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Most Christians don't realize it, but they walk around with one or up to five prejudices against healing. Francis MacNutt, in his book, Healing, says they are these:
(1) "we want nothing to do with faith healing"
(2) "my sickness is a cross sent from God to diminish the strength of my soul and therefore my sickness is good for me, sent by God"
(3) "it takes a saint to work a healing, and I'm no saint"
(4) "signs and wonders are not needed anymore, they were for the establishment of the early church, but now that faith in Jesus has been firmly established, signs and wonders are no longer needed"
(5) "miracles did not really take place; they only represented a primitive way of expressing reality, because they did not have our modern scientific way like we have now"
The arguments against healing also run like this:
In relation to God, they say:
If I believe that God sent me a sickness to test His love or to dimish my soul strength, then I'm not going to pray that God heal me but rather will embrace the sickness.
Yet nowhere in the Bible do we see Jesus encouraging the sick to continue to live with their sickness, as if it was from God.
On the contrary, Jesus everywhere treated sickness as a manifestation of the kingdom of Satan which He has come to destroy.
And here are a couple of other lines of arguments against healing, they say:
(6) "I don't want to be associated with such an over-emotional, revivalistic type of religious meeting..."
(7) "We no longer needs signs and wonders to believe. Jesus made it clear that those who believe without signs and wonders are blessed, blessed, blessed."
(8) "And miracles of healing are merely a holdover from the age of prescientific explanations".
But the gospel that Jesus preached and brought was not just salvation as a doctrine for people to accept, although it was that too, but Jesus's gospel also SAVED people from the sicknesses inherited from Satan's kingdom.
Luke 10
1 After these things the LORD appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
9 And heal the sick that are therein and , say to them, The kingdom of God is come near you.
Is God going to save our soul and transfer us from the kingdom of Satan but leave our body useless or wracked as it was in the kingdom of Satan? No. Note that Jesus ALWAYS DID THE TWO TOGETHER:
Luke 9:11
And the people, when they knew it, followed Him: and He received them and spoke to them of the kingdom of God AND healed them who had need of healing.
Everywhere Jesus went, He preached and healed, He preached and healed, He preached and healed, one was NOT DONE without the other.
Then Jesus also sent out the 12 apostles and then the 70 disciples, telling to speak to them of the kingdom of God AND heal the sick in town:
Luke 10
1 After these things the LORD appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say to them, The kingdom of God is come near you.
Where have all the healings gone? The history of why healing has mostly disappeared is more complicated than the above (8) reasons alone, but those are some of the reasons why "preaching is now separated from healing the townspeople".
But,
Mark 2:9
Which is easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Your sins are forgiven you; or to say, Arise and take up your thin mattress and walk?
For no one on earth can actually prove that "our sins are forgiven"; but believing for healing means that a healing needs to take place right there and then, for all to see, or not see.
So we have no problem believing for salvation when the kingdom of God is preached to us, but we have lots of problems believing that Jesus WILL do this healing right now that we just prayed for.
That's probably the reason why preaching and healing became separated because it was "much easier to preach the kingdom of God in WORDS" than it was to get a "healing to manifest each time, as they did in the old days", and before all those (8) prejudices against healing crept into Christianity, from pagan, stoic, and scientific sources.
Where has the simultaneous healing and preaching gone? And can we get the healing back again hand-in-glove with preaching as it was in the beginning?
love, Eden
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