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WildB
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Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
Meaning he agrees with your post? Or meaning he thinks that God is religious? Because if he thinks that then he probably has the word "religious" mixed up with the word "righteous".
I'm on night watch 2300 - 0700. Need to get some sleep now.
See you later. ![[zzzzzz]](graemlins/20.gif)
Hes just playing games.
Good night and ThanX
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Carol Swenson
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Meaning he agrees with your post? Or meaning he thinks that God is religious? Because if he thinks that then he probably has the word "religious" mixed up with the word "righteous".
I'm on night watch 2300 - 0700. Need to get some sleep now.
See you later.
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WildB
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Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
Is God religious? If we ask if Jesus is religious then we must ask if God is religious because Jesus is One with God.
Religion is man's attempt to reach God. Christ is God's attempt to reach man.
Is God attempting to reach God?
Jesus lived a sinless life, a perfectly obedient life, to qualify Him as Messiah. He fulfilled the law and the prophets. But He was not attempting to reach God because He already is One with God. He lived a perfect life because He IS perfect. He is not practicing religion, but instead He is simply being Himself.
well heres MikeTomano reply
Yep.
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WildB
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10:4 ThanX
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Carol Swenson
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Sure, if you want to. Don't use my name, okay? Keep it as your own?
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Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
Is God religious? If we ask if Jesus is religious then we must ask if God is religious because Jesus is One with God.
Religion is man's attempt to reach God. Christ is God's attempt to reach man.
Is God attempting to reach God?
Jesus lived a sinless life, a perfectly obedient life, to qualify Him as Messiah. He fulfilled the law and the prophets. But He was not attempting to reach God because He already is One with God. He lived a perfect life because He IS perfect. He is not practicing religion, but instead He is simply being Himself.
Well said can I post that over there?
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WildB
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then this was the other person that was flying interference.
This is all on one post over there quote upon quote.
MikeTomano:
I would argue against the notion that Jesus wasn't religious. He was, in fact, a devout follower, albeit reformer, of the Jewish faith. As for my wife and I, we attend the same church. It is a suburban mega-church. I am more involved than the wife, as her career commitments make it hard for her, but I lead small groups for teens. Am I religious? I'm faithful. TOMANO
wildbbwild:If your leading teens you better learn your Bible a little better Sir.
Follower? Reformer? Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets not to follow or reform.
Matt.5
[17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
ebstein:please dont make this into a "I know the bible better than you" thread.....we all know you know the bible,
wildbbwild:So you think its ok to teach teens that Christ Jesus was a follower and a reformer of the Pharisees and Sadducees religion?
If so please post where it says that in the Bible .
John the Baptist had this to say.
Matt.3
[1] In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
[2] And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
[3] For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
[4] And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.
[5] Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
[6] And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
[7] But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
[8] Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
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Carol Swenson
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Is God religious? If we ask if Jesus is religious then we must ask if God is religious because Jesus is One with God.
Religion is man's attempt to reach God. Christ is God's attempt to reach man.
Is God attempting to reach God?
Jesus lived a sinless life, a perfectly obedient life, to qualify Him as Messiah. He fulfilled the law and the prophets. But He was not attempting to reach God because He already is One with God. He lived a perfect life because He IS perfect. He is not practicing religion, but instead He is simply being Himself.
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WildB
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Jesus did not have a religion. He is the word made flesh. He taught those who followed the law of the Torah and formed the New Covenant, thus changing the law. You can google and paste all the scripture you like, but to deny Jesus was a Jew, and the New Covenant, perfecting God's law and bringing grace and salvation for all who seek and find Him, then I must agree to disagree with you. To say he was anti-religion is a statement I refuted, as he called forth His followers to faith, prayer and fellowship. Your turn... TOMANO
John I used your RESPONSE (I hope you didnt mind)
This is on the TED NUGENT TALKBACK BOARD and its a pay to play sight.
JOHNS RESPONSE..
Point #1:
Jesus is the Author of the Law (John 8:58). He is YHVH of the Old Testament (John 1:3, Colossians 1:15, Isaiah 44:24). The mystery of the OT is the Father (John 5:37, John 6:46) not Jesus (i.e. God the Word who became the Son). And the Holy Spirit was present but not understood (Genesis 1:2, Psalm 51:11).
Point #2:
The point of the Law from day 1 was to drive mankind to grace (Galatians 3:24-25). The entire point of the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7) was to set straight the original intent of the Law (impossible for man to understand in the flesh) and to keep driving him to abandon religion and seek God's mercy instead... from the gnarled religion the Sanhedrin misinterpreted the Law to be as a means of salvation akin to the Roman Catholic sin, confessional, sin, penance, sin confessional, hail mary's... etc.)
Point #3:
Grace is the higher law the Torah Messiah versus the Torah Moses... observe:
1 Corinthians 9:19-21 (NIV)
19 Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible.
20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.
21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law.
So in summary, Jesus did not reform anything. He merely clarified his own original intent in giving the Law and putting the teeth back into it.
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WildB - though it turns my stomach to enter into debate with you; I will. I was addressing a point regarding Christ's religion. He did reform the law - the law set forth in the Jewish faith. To play semantics and question my ability to lead teens is ridiculous. I never said that Christ was anything less than the fulfillment of scripture, but there's a reason it was a New Covenant. Don't belittle my faith and I won't do the same to yours. I will say, with that sort of twisting and distortion of my words true intent coupled with your dismissive attitude, you'd make a good Democrat. TOMANO
MY RESPONCE
There is no debate. Just post your scripture for your opinion.
1. What was Christ's religion?
2. Which law did He reform in the Jewish faith?
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Sorry I didnt think anyone was interested.
I will re-post as much as I can.
1st interaction.
MikeTomano:
I would argue against the notion that Jesus wasn't religious. He was, in fact, a devout follower, albeit reformer, of the Jewish faith. As for my wife and I, we attend the same church. It is a suburban mega-church. I am more involved than the wife, as her career commitments make it hard for her, but I lead small groups for teens. Am I religious? I'm faithful. TOMANO
MY RESPONCE
If your leading teens you better learn your Bible a little better Sir.
Follower? Reformer? Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets not to follow or reform.
Matt.5
[17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
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Carol Swenson
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WildB deleted it. Either because it had served its purpose or because he decided not to post it.
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John Hale
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Wildb posted a topic about a debate they needed help with (some chap named Tomano or something).
Wha-happon-to-it?
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