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Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :
 
We have seen so much here lately of why the rapture can’t take place until certain things happen. Personally, I believe it can happen anytime. I believe the Bible supports the pre-trib rapture, but to shed a little light humor on a complex issue. Here is what I believe won’t happen when the rapture takes place.

If there is a pre-trib rapture, you won’t hear those who believe in the mid-trib rapture saying:
“Sorry God, can’t leave. You will have to come back for me in 3 ½ yrs . Just what will those pre-tribbers think if I go up now.?”

No will you hear from the post-tribbers:
“Sorry, Lord! Come back in 7 years.

On the other hand if most of the denomanations are wrong and the rapture is not pre-rapture I don’t think you will see us standing outside with our hands on our hips when it takes place saying:
“Well, God you are late and I am just not going to go!”

The best thing a Christian can do is live like we got 50 years to go, serve God and pray like God is coming today and be always watchful for His return. I will pray for the soon return of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

 

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Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
This reminds me of a really funny story my pastor told once (it's a true story too). I hope I can do it justice! Here goes...

There were a group of guys at a Bible College who were in the habit of meeting on the balcony at the end of the hall to say morning prayers.

One morning, one of the guys couldn't stay awake. One of the other guys divisied a plan to trick the sleeping brother.

All of the guys went and hid in the last room down the hall while another guy Blew a Loud Trumpet call.

This woke the sleeping guy up immediately! He looked around and didn't see anyone with him. He started to panic! He ran down the hall checking every room for signs of anyone... Nothing! He was in total panic now.

When he finally got to the last room, there stood all the other guys Rolling on the Floor with Laughter!


My husband and I just about died with laughter when we heard this! I hope you enjoyed it too!
 

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Posted by Israel (Member # 3254) on :
 
SoftThouch, that was great I have got to be honest with you all, here lately when I get up at 4:30am I turn on FoxNews to see if anything happened during the night It is silly, but I think what if Jesus came and I didn't go, which is silly, because I know I am saved, but the flesh likes to get me going, it is a constant battle with the flesh, I will be glad when I get out of it!

Israel
 

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Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 
That reminds of when I was just a kid around ten or eleven, my teenage cousin came to town and wanted to take me to my first movie.

Even though it was a Bambi-type of movie about a horse, being raised a Wesleyan, I felt kind of guilty about going to the den of iniquity to see this movie.

My mother was home when we left, but when we returned, I looked all over the house and she wasn't home. I was sure I had committed some terrible sin and had missed the Rapture.
 

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Posted by Trenton D. Adams (Member # 4437) on :
 

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Originally posted by Israel:
SoftThouch, that was great I have got to be honest with you all, here lately when I get up at 4:30am I turn on FoxNews to see if anything happened during the night It is silly, but I think what if Jesus came and I didn't go, which is silly, because I know I am saved, but the flesh likes to get me going, it is a constant battle with the flesh, I will be glad when I get out of it!

Israel

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Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:
Beliving in the pre-trib is not fearful. I have believed it all my life and still do. What is fearful, is when the devil makes us doubt our salvation.
The Pre-trib is truth and someday when it happens everyone Christian will know it is truth.

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Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:
What is fearful, is when the devil makes us doubt our salvation.

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Amen! Two of the devil's greatest weapons are doubt and condemnation.
 

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Posted by Trenton D. Adams (Member # 4437) on :
 
Yes WhiteEagle, those are a lot of the concerns that I have about the pre-trib belief system. It would be very easy to accept the mark of the beast before it's enforced because the anti-christ wouldn't necessarily be revealed at that time. By then it's too late.

The way I see it, there's no real danger in terms of people's salvation to believe in post-trib. At least not when you teach that we have to seek the Lord with all of our heart, otherwise we won't make it through the tribulation. Take the 10 wise virgins for instance. They are a perfect example of the tribulation. The wise stored up extra oil against that tribulation, but the foolish did not. It was then the wise that were able to enter the kingdom.

But there's always a danger in the pre-trib rapture view because you could get decieved into thinking things aren't what they seem. Also, because the times are so tough, people will give in, even though they fully know. Would someone allow their family to starve to death because they couldn't buy anything? If the had faith in Yashua, and had stored up that extra oil, they would be able to do that, if it came to that. But, Yashua will provide. I believe we will start seeing manna from heaven again.

You know, what the funny thing is? I believed in pre-trib rapture, because I chose to, all my life. Even though I was baptized in the Holy Spirit, and received dreams and visions of the tribulation. That's what I call denial. Now I look back and realize the value of those dreams and visions.

I'll share one good dream of a protection nature that my mother had.

There was a group of military personel that came to our house. They wanted the loaf of bread on the counter. My mother said "which loaf", they said "that one". So, my mother gave it to them. There were twelve loaves of bread on that counter. You think God can't hide his people for 3.5 years? Think again.
 

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Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 3772) on :
 
Texas Grandma,

Amen to your postings! I'm in total agreement with you that the pre-trib is the truth!


In Christ's love,
Gramajo320
 

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Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
It's truly ashame to see this thread turn into yet another disagreement on the rapture timing. Arn't there already enough threads on this? Couldn't we have just left this thread as a good humor thread? So much for 'respecting' other peoples convictions...

Sister Betty, Thank you for your attempt to bring a little sunshine in your first post
 

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Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :
 
WhiteEagle


I worry about groups who say

"We use to believe in the Pre-Trib until we were enlightened!"

This is how cults start. Many leaders of cults started out as Christian Preachers but they became convinced that they had received a message that no denominational Church had. The guy that got those 500 people to drink poisoned Kool-Aid and the guy in Waco all started out reading from the Bible. But, they convinced themselves and their group that they had a new revelation from God.
Why has the Assemblies of God, the Baptist and other denominational Churches not changed their view? Simply because the Bible still supports a pre-trib rapture.
The 7th Day Adventist believes it is post but then they believe the book of Revelation already happened. Like Favor, I missed all that in history class when 1/3 of fish and everything in the water died. Even they changed their believe to Saturday worship when one person was "enlighted" Of course they did not mention at their prophecy seminar that the same woman believe all black people came from sex between men and apes.

Personally I think that the post rapture theory is a lie from the devil to convince people that they don't have to worry about getting right with God, because they have 7 years after the anti-christ is revealed to do so.
As far as the mark of the beast the 7th Day Adventist think everyone who goes to Church on Sunday already has taken the mark of the beast.
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this whole thing was started to show what is important is to be right with God. But the thing about cults is they make a whole relegion on one point. The Bible is more than that. I believe in the pre-trib but that is not my denomanation. I am Baptist. But, more than that I am a Chrisitan.
betty
 

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Posted by Trenton D. Adams (Member # 4437) on :
 
That's just waco. What you said I mean. The idea that this could lead to a cult. There's new revelation every day, HELLO. Do you not realize this Texas Grandma? The book of Revelation and Daniel have been sealed until the time of the end. Daniel specifically says that, in chapter twelve I believe. So, that means we'll be having new revelation on it.

I know that the pre-trib rapture teaching is the enemy's plan to deceive people into thinking that they'll have a second chance after you all dissappaar. Millions of people disappearing would completely remove the suddenness of christ's second coming. And as Yashua said, it will be as in the days of Noah, when they were eating and drinking, and giving in marriage, and suddenly destruction came upon them. HELLO, that's pretty blatant. With a secret rapture that causes chaos on earth, everyone would be watching for the second coming.

That doesn't make pre-trib believers of the devil, or unsaved either.

As I wrote in another post...

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As previously noted, Pillar 2 supporting the Left Behind project is the theory that those who miss the rapture will have during the Tribulation a second chance to be saved. This idea is dangerous because it leads some people to rationalize that "If the Bible is really true and if the rapture does take place, then I'll know for sure God is real. It may be tough, but I can still join the Tribulation Force during the seven years. Even if that Antichrist guy tries to kill me, I will resist the mark!"

While fostering this foolish attitude is certainly not the intent of the Left Behind authors, nevertheless, the secret rapture theory can easily lead people to adopt a "wait and see" philosophy, and thus put off making a decision to follow Jesus. Paul wrote that all who are not fully on the Lord's side when believers are "caught up" (1 Thessalonians 4:17) "shall not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:3). As you can see, Pillar 2 has very serious problems.

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Originally posted by SoftTouch:
It's truly ashame to see this thread turn into yet another disagreement on the rapture timing. Arn't there already enough threads on this? Couldn't we have just left this thread as a good humor thread? So much for 'respecting' other peoples convictions...

Sister Betty, Thank you for your attempt to bring a little sunshine in your first post

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Originally posted by Trenton D. Adams:
Yes WhiteEagle, those are a lot of the concerns that I have about the pre-trib belief system. It would be very easy to accept the mark of the beast before it's enforced because the anti-christ wouldn't necessarily be revealed at that time. By then it's too late.

The way I see it, there's no real danger in terms of people's salvation to believe in post-trib. At least not when you teach that we have to seek the Lord with all of our heart, otherwise we won't make it through the tribulation. Take the 10 wise virgins for instance. They are a perfect example of the tribulation. The wise stored up extra oil against that tribulation, but the foolish did not. It was then the wise that were able to enter the kingdom.

But there's always a danger in the pre-trib rapture view because you could get decieved into thinking things aren't what they seem. Also, because the times are so tough, people will give in, even though they fully know. Would someone allow their family to starve to death because they couldn't buy anything? If the had faith in Yashua, and had stored up that extra oil, they would be able to do that, if it came to that. But, Yashua will provide. I believe we will start seeing manna from heaven again.

You know, what the funny thing is? I believed in pre-trib rapture, because I chose to, all my life. Even though I was baptized in the Holy Spirit, and received dreams and visions of the tribulation. That's what I call denial. Now I look back and realize the value of those dreams and visions.

I'll share one good dream of a protection nature that my mother had.

There was a group of military personel that came to our house. They wanted the loaf of bread on the counter. My mother said "which loaf", they said "that one". So, my mother gave it to them. There were twelve loaves of bread on that counter. You think God can't hide his people for 3.5 years? Think again.

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Originally posted by WhiteEagle:
I have as good a sense of humor as the next person, but I don't see anything funny in Texas Grandma's first post or any of the others the were supposed to be "lighthearted".

Unless one thinks jokes that condescend others are funny.

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Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:
WhiteEagle


I worry about groups who say

"We use to believe in the Pre-Trib until we were enlightened!"

This is how cults start. Many leaders of cults started out as Christian Preachers but they became convinced that they had received a message that no denominational Church had. The guy that got those 500 people to drink poisoned Kool-Aid and the guy in Waco all started out reading from the Bible. But, they convinced themselves and their group that they had a new revelation from God.
Why has the Assemblies of God, the Baptist and other denominational Churches not changed their view? Simply because the Bible still supports a pre-trib rapture.
The 7th Day Adventist believes it is post but then they believe the book of Revelation already happened. Like Favor, I missed all that in history class when 1/3 of fish and everything in the water died. Even they changed their believe to Saturday worship when one person was "enlighted" Of course they did not mention at their prophecy seminar that the same woman believe all black people came from sex between men and apes.

Personally I think that the post rapture theory is a lie from the devil to convince people that they don't have to worry about getting right with God, because they have 7 years after the anti-christ is revealed to do so.
As far as the mark of the beast the 7th Day Adventist think everyone who goes to Church on Sunday already has taken the mark of the beast.
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this whole thing was started to show what is important is to be right with God. But the thing about cults is they make a whole relegion on one point. The Bible is more than that. I believe in the pre-trib but that is not my denomanation. I am Baptist. But, more than that I am a Chrisitan.
betty

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Betty,

One thing about cults, is that they hold that their viewpoint is the Only Viewpoint. Any one who tries to show something different is considered to be "of the devil".


You never answered my questions either.

I've been to Baptist churches, Methodist Churches, Assembly of God Churches, and Penacostal Churches. I'm not impressed with how most denominations are run on the corporate level.
And they are a Business. They are more concerned with numbers of people, then trying to hear God's voice in many cases. I don't think any denomination could every reach a consensus to even consider trying the change something that Works for them.

It's sort of humorous that you consider that anyone who believes differently than you, is part of some cult. That's what a CULT does to people within it.

I willingly admit, I don't claim to KNOW how all the end times events will play out. I am very skepical of PRe-trib, after reading the Bible myself, and pondering and praying.

Pre-trib only seems supported by the Bible because you have added things to scripture, like Jesus is referring to the Jews in Matthew 24, and this is not said by scripture, but you've heard this separation of Jew and Christian for so long, that certain verses only pertain to the Jews, and other verses are for the Christians, that you are not reading the scriptures with an unbiased mind.

Paul declares boldly that there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave or free, rich or poor, but all who are in Christ are equal.

For the record, God does speak to us in these days. He still moves stones, He still is the same yesterday, today and forever. God's Word does not change, but our understanding of it, is NOT perfect. If God enlightens us, Praise God, we certainly need to be enlightened by His word every day.
 

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Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :
 
"I have as good a sense of humor as the next person, but I don't see anything funny in Texas Grandma's first post or any of the others the were supposed to be "lighthearted".

Unless one thinks jokes that condescend others are funny."

The point was that it is more important that we be secure in Jesus than whether the rapture is pre, mid, or post.

It is ironic that you speak of condescending when people who reject the pre-trib rapture are the most condescending people here!
You all seem to think that you have been enlighten more than the rest and someone more spiritual than anybody else. You come off as people who filled with self righteous pride.
I am looking forward to when the pre-trib rapture happens and you have to eat your words
betty
 

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Posted by WhiteEagle (Member # 3728) on :
 
Softtouch,

While the timing of the Rapture is a "non-essential" one for true Salvation, and whenever it occurs we all who are saved will be taken up, no matter what we believe....I seem to have a burden in this area to try to get people to at least be ready for the idea it might NOT be before Tribulation.

I'm not sure why It seems important to me right now, but it does.

God bless.
 

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Posted by WhiteEagle (Member # 3728) on :
 
Betty,

I am secure In Christ. Out of the heart your words are written.
 

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Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :
 
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?currSection=sermonstopic&sermonID=93002184813


FACTS SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS WON'T TELL YOU AT THEIR PROPHECY SEMINARS


SDA's won't tell you that it is the SDA church that is sponsoring the seminars.


SDA's consider themselves to be the only true, remnant church. All others will be condemned.

SDA's make your salvation dependent on observing the Saturday Sabbath.

If you receive Christ as Savior through the SDA's, only your past sins are forgiven up that point.

As an SDA you now enter a period of "investigative judgment",where every deed you do is recorded for judgment day.

As an SDA you will be encouraged to become a vegetarian (disregarding Paul's admonition that eating meat is acceptable).


SDA's will expect you to revere their founding prophetess. Ellen G. White. viewing her as having the "spirit of prophecy"referred to in the book of Revelation.


SDA's won't tell you that Mrs. White is a proven false prophetess. Her embarrassing early writings have been altered to cover this up.


SDA's won't tell you that early Adventists expected the literal second coming of Christ in 1843 and then in 1844, only to be disappointed both times.


SDA's won't tell you that their 1844 "investigative judgment"teaching was born out of an attempt to cover over this failed prophecy.


Their founder Mrs. White taught prior to this failed prophecy that the door to salvation was shut. This teaching had to be reinterpreted and altered after the failure of 1844.


The SDA church made this statement in their Ministry magazine in October 1981, and have never retracted it:


"We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen White's writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as in the other."
 

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Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
I meant to add this to the bottom of my last post. I'd just like to remind everyone of these scriptures and then I'll leave y'all alone...

1 Peter 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;

1 Peter 2: 8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.


2 Peter 1: 5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 

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Posted by Trenton D. Adams (Member # 4437) on :
 

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Originally posted by WhiteEagle:
I have as good a sense of humor as the next person, but I don't see anything funny in Texas Grandma's first post or any of the others the were supposed to be "lighthearted".

Unless one thinks jokes that condescend others are funny.

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I'm sorry that you fail to see the humor. But I have to ask you and Trenton both... What is it that you are going to accomplish by constantly speaking against the pre-trib view (which you Know these folks hold to)? Do you think you will 'convince' them otherwise? I don't think that's going to happen. If anyone is to be convinced of anything, it's going to have to come to them from the Holy Spirit.

It's one thing to voice your opinion and convictions, but when you see that the people you're talking to are convinced about their own (on a Non-Essential Doctring - that Does Not Affect One's Salvation), isn't it more Loving (and in line with Scripture) to agree to disagree and then stop beating on the subject? We're not talking about Heresy here... that would be different and should never be tolerated... we're talking about differing interpretations of a non-essential doctrine.

I don't know how many different threads there are currently on this subject, but I'm seeing the same people just continuing to argue over this issue and it occurs to me that this isn't something the Lord would have us do.

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Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:
I am looking forward to when the pre-trib rapture happens and you have to eat your words
betty

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Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:
It is ironic that you speak of condescending when people who reject the pre-trib rapture are the most condescending people here!
You all seem to think that you have been enlighten more than the rest and someone more spiritual than anybody else. You come off as people who filled with self righteous pride.

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Again I say, are you not prideful to know for sure that you're right that Yashua saves? I mean surely you should admit that you just might be wrong. That would be humble, would it not? I DON'T THINK SO, HELLO!

So, again I say. Knowing that you know the truth, and being prideful do not necessarily go hand in hand.

With your logic, the following statements would be true.

I know I'm a male, therefore I'm prideful.

I know that Yashua is the only way to heaven, therefore I'm prideful.

I know how to be free from sin, therefore I'm prideful.

I know that post-tribulation rapture is truth, and pre-trib is a lie of the enemy, therefore I'm prideful.

I know that there's a second coming, therefore I'm prideful.


What are talking about here? Do we have faith in pre-tribulation rapture, or Yashua? Sorry, it can't be both.
 

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Posted by Trenton D. Adams (Member # 4437) on :
 
Texas Grandma, are any of us here claiming to be Seventh Day Adventists? If not, what was the purpose of that post? Are you saying that every seventh day doctrine must be wrong? Cause if you are, you better throw out a whole lot of what you believe too. Cause I guarantee that there will be some things you believe, that they do as well.

Sure, saturday is DEFINITELY the sabbath, but I'm not an SDA. Nor to I necessarily partake in the sabbath. I esteem every day alike. I seek continually, not just saturday.
 

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Posted by Favor Minded (Member # 3636) on :
 
Approx 28% is dedicated to end times prophecy.

How can ANYONE deny that Christ could return ANY time.

To deny pretrib is to deny the imminent return.

To deny pretrib is to state that you KNOW Jesus IS NOT coming yet...

Just that simple truth alone should be enough to make you realize the falsehood that mid and post trib are built on...

As for knowing, I DO know... God gave it to me, tangibly. As I said before, no vision, no "I think this is it" - Just hard fast PROOF!

He gave it to me, straight up, so that I could build a web site with that info. And he brought millions and is continuing to bring millions to read it every month.

It IS TRUTH! It IS NOT Maybe...

Oh and Eagle...

IT IS NOT A CULT either....

TO continue to speak that you know Jesus is not coming yet is to speak against the Word of God...
 

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Posted by Trenton D. Adams (Member # 4437) on :
 
To speak that I know he's not coming yet is not against the Word of God.

Continually Yashua said "until these things happens, I will not return".
 

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Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 3772) on :
 
Favorminded,

Amen to your posting that is so very true! God bless you always!


In Christ's love,
Gramajo320
 

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Posted by Trenton D. Adams (Member # 4437) on :
 
Oh, and by the way. I've had hard fast proof the other way too.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see at the end. I'm fine with waiting to find out who's right.

I would love to get an easy, early trip out of here, that would be fabulous. There's no danger in that. There's only danger in thinking that there will be a great sign (if there will be), such as millions disappearing, before His return. This could potentially cause the entire world to be looking for His returning. Doesn't sound very biblical to me. But, that's just my opinion, which I am entitled to, according to the earthly way of thinking anyhow.
 

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Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 3772) on :
 
Favorminded and Texas Grandma,

Another amen to your postings for I stand in agreement with you! God bless you always!


In Christ's love,
Gramajo320
 

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Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :
 
Gramajo320


Thanks hon. God bless for your encouragment. I honestly had written this thread to bring some smiles. But, some people seem to like to spit and throw stones at anyone that disagrees with them. Unfortantly, this bitterness leads to them having no sense of humor.
Oh, well God knew my heart. Thanks again for making me feel better.
betty
 

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Posted by Favor Minded (Member # 3636) on :
 
Proof through a vision or some other person confirming is not the same as hard fast, tangible proof.
 

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Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 

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Originally posted by Trenton D. Adams:
book of Revelation and Daniel have been sealed until the time of the end. Daniel specifically says that, in chapter twelve I believe. So, that means we'll be having new revelation on it.

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Originally posted by Favor Minded:
Proof through a vision or some other person confirming is not the same as hard fast, tangible proof.

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Betty (TexasGrandma) wrote :
Thanks hon. God bless for your encouragment. I honestly had written this thread to bring some smiles. But, some people seem to like to spit and throw stones at anyone that disagrees with them. Unfortantly, this bitterness leads to them having no sense of humor.
Oh, well God knew my heart. Thanks again for making me feel better.


I am looking forward to when the pre-trib rapture happens and you have to eat your words

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Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:
I was speaking to Gramajo320
NOT you, Trenton!
betty

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Oh, I know you were. I just thought it interesting about how you mentioned casting stones, and bitterness. The only person I see here responding with remarks that could be seen as "casting stones" or in "bitterness" is you. You very clearly said that you will be happy when we all eat our words.

I just found that interesting, that's all, especially considering no one else here has attacked anyone. All everyone has done that I've seen is debate about it, and voice opinions, etc. But you took it to the next level.
 

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Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 3772) on :
 
Trenton Adams,

Texas Grandma has not been attacking any one. She has voiced her opinions to which she is very entitled to do so!


In Christ's love,
Gramajo320
 

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Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 
Oh boy, what ever happened to "a little humor on the rapture issue?"

Lets all gather around in a circle now -



Kumbya my Lord, kumbya. Kumbya my Lord,kumbya. Kumbya my Lord, kumbya. Oh Lord kumbya.


 

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Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
LOL! His Grace LOL!!!

Here, let me join in... I brought a few friends with me

"Kumbya my Lord, kumbya. Kumbya my Lord,kumbya. Kumbya my Lord, kumbya. Oh Lord kumbya."
 

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Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 
A handsome looking group I must say
 

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Posted by Trenton D. Adams (Member # 4437) on :
 
Nerds, Nerds I say, Nerds.

I thought the humor was at least a little humorous. But, since it did diverge into other topics, it was certainly worth talking about.
 

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Posted by Trenton D. Adams (Member # 4437) on :
 
And you know, I'm still kind of curious why people get so angry over this topic. It's really quite silly if you ask me.
 

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Posted by Bat Elohim (Member # 3739) on :
 
SoftTouch... I like you're version of Kumbya!!! they look like head bangers!!! I can just imagine a Ska group like Insyders singing Kumbya!!! now THAT's funny!!!!
 

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Posted by Ripp (Member # 3832) on :
 

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Originally posted by SoftTouch:
LOL! His Grace LOL!!!

Here, let me join in... I brought a few friends with me

"Kumbya my Lord, kumbya. Kumbya my Lord,kumbya. Kumbya my Lord, kumbya. Oh Lord kumbya."

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Rofl! Sis, thanks for keeping some sanity around here. God bless you!
 

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Posted by WhiteEagle (Member # 3728) on :
 
I agree it's getting very funny now!

Texas grandma, I DO NOT ATTEND a Seven Day Adventist Church! I have no idea what they teach except, for what you wrote. So I agree with Trenton, that I have no clue as to why you brought SDA up.

You still have not answered my honest questions, nor has any Pre-trib person come to your aid in answering my concerns about Pre-trib.

1.What will you do if the anitchrist is revealed and you're still planted on earth?

2.Will you deny it's really the antichrist because you're still on earth?

3. Perhaps pre-tribbers could accept the mark of the beast because they believe it CAN"T be the Mark since they are still on earth.

4. Will finding yourself in the midst of the Great Tribulation shake your faith?

These are valid concerns I have about the Pre-trib view.


I must say it's been very funny reading these posts since I left last night.

There's lots of denial going on, and it's a riot!

De-Nile is not a river in Egypt.
 

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Posted by WhiteEagle (Member # 3728) on :
 

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And you know, I'm still kind of curious why people get so angry over this topic. It's really quite silly if you ask me.

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I don't understand it either. I originally decided to find a Christian message board to see if other Christians were interested enough to have begun searching the scriptures about prophecy. I'm with you, in that I was taught Pre-Trib. Trouble is, when researching the Bible to find all those mysterious verses that supposedly support pre-trib, I couldn't find any.

No one here been able to offer valid Biblical support of that view either.

If someone can give Biblical support then I'm waiting.

Texas grandma made me almost spit out my ice tea when I read she wanted me to eat my words. it was so funny!

The "imminent" return of Christ is not a doctrine
that supercedes the other teachings of the Bible.
Mostly when verse say "Come quickly Lord Jesus", it's a prayer from a saint, not a prophetic statement.

Jesus wants us to see the signs, and be ready, so WE won't be caught unawares, as the unbelieving will be.

God bless Trenton.
 

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Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :
 
Texas grandma, I DO NOT ATTEND a Seven Day Adventist Church! I have no idea what they teach except, for what you wrote. So I agree with Trenton, that I have no clue as to why you brought SDA up.

Because so much as been said about the SDA not believing in the rapture.

You still have not answered my honest questions, nor has any Pre-trib person come to your aid in answering my concerns about Pre-trib.

1.What will you do if the anitchrist is revealed and you're still planted on earth?
Keeping serving God
2.Will you deny it's really the antichrist because you're still on earth?
of course not
3. Perhaps pre-tribbers could accept the mark of the beast because they believe it CAN"T be the Mark since they are still on earth.


A Christian cannot take the mark of the beast. Jesus said Himself that a devil can't cast out a devil. A Christian already has the mark of Jesus on his or her heart.
4. Will finding yourself in the midst of the Great Tribulation shake your faith?
no, i withstood the greatest test of my faith when my sister killed herself. God got me through that, He can get me through anything.
 

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Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 3772) on :
 
Texas Grandma,

Amen and your posting is so very true! God bless you always!


In Christ's love,
Gramajo320
 

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Posted by WhiteEagle (Member # 3728) on :
 

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Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:

Because so much as been said about the SDA not believing in the rapture.

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I believe in the Rapture. So how is that like SDA?


[QUOTE}A Christian cannot take the mark of the beast. Jesus said Himself that a devil can't cast out a devil. A Christian already has the mark of Jesus on his or her heart.
4. Will finding yourself in the midst of the Great Tribulation shake your faith?
no, i withstood the greatest test of my faith when my sister killed herself. God got me through that, He can get me through anything. [/QUOTE]

That's a good answer! Thank You. I hope a Christian doesn't take the Mark, but I think it's possible for a Christian to take the physical mark in error or by mistake. You also can be correct, as we are sealed when we accept Christ and nothing can seperate us from the Love of Christ.

I'm sorry that you had to face grief of losing your sister, and can understand that it may be the
worst thing for you to face and get through.
 

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Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :
 
Gramajo320


You are a source a comfort to many of us.
thanks
betty

 

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Posted by whitesands777 (Member # 3424) on :
 
I've heard many of the pre trib view say that "The Church isn't going through the tribulation because I really don't think Jesus wants a bloody beat up bride."

That's the most illogical logic used to support the pre trib view...I mean, how in the world would that be sound reasoning for proof of the pre trib rapture?

Jesus loves the Christians that have died before His return and the slain martyred bodies of Peter, Paul, and the rest of the 11 apostles that were killed for their testimony of Him...


The truth is that Jesus isn't going to get a bloody bride not because he came before the tribulation to rapture the church , but because of His awesome power to create life, to heal, and to raise the dead and because He is going to give us new incorruptable bodies upon His return.
 

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Posted by Bat Elohim (Member # 3739) on :
 
ok... here's my 2 cents worth....

i don't really believe in the pre-trib rapture... but, i do hope that it is true! how could i not hope for that!!

I would like to answer WhiteEagle's questions...

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I hope a Christian doesn't take the Mark, but I think it's possible for a Christian to take the physical mark in error or by mistake.

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Gramajo320
You are a source a comfort to many of us.
thanks
betty

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Amen! I would like to give some kudos to Gramajo as well. Appreciate your uplifting messages. May God richly bless you.
 

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Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 3772) on :
 
Texas Grandma and His Grace,

Thank you ever so much for your words of encouragement to me for that is also very helpful to me! I also want to thank Favorminded, Born Again, Ripp, and Kris for their words of encouragement to me in various threads. To each of you your words of encouragement have been a source of comfort to me! God bless you all always!

In Christ's love,
Gramajo320
 

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Posted by Trenton D. Adams (Member # 4437) on :
 

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I hope a Christian doesn't take the Mark, but I think it's possible for a Christian to take the physical mark in error or by mistake.

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I totally disagree with this statement. Can you elaborate on why you feel this way?

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I hope a Christian doesn't take the Mark, but I think it's possible for a Christian to take the physical mark in error or by mistake.

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I totally disagree with this statement. Can you elaborate on why you feel this way?

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i don't really believe in the pre-trib rapture... but, i do hope that it is true! how could i not hope for that!!

I would like to answer WhiteEagle's questions...

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I will rejoice that Yahweh has found me fit and able enough to allow me to be a Tribulation Saint and possibly a Martyr for Him. I will rejoice that He has revealed the enemy so that I will know who he is and can guard myself and my son and warn my family.

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no. Yah's ways are not man's ways... we will have to admit we were wrong, allow Yah to comfort us and move on.

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i'm sure that some will probably receive a physical mark, but like Mrs. Betty said... Yah'shua already has His mark on our hearts and minds. I think that if the physical mark requires worshiping a false god like revelations seems to say, then true Christians will realize the truth and not take the mark.

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i'm sure that it will shake everyone's faith!!! such horrors that are to come! but he who holds fast to the end will be saved!
just because your faith is shaken, doesn't mean that it is lost or broken. Sometimes we need to be shaken to wake us up.

it reminds me of the time when i was a child and my cat was exploring a paper bag. when it had gone inside i snatched the bag up and shook the mess out of that bag with the cat inside. that cat got out alive. he still knew he was a cat afterwards and he knew i was the enemy who had shaken him. I knew he was a cat too... i had the marks to prove it that he left on me in his eagerness to get away!! that cat was more cautious around me from then on. he never went into a paper bag again either.

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I so wish that we could discuss the pre-trib rapture point for point. In three years here I have not seen it possible to be done thuroughty and honestly and in good spirit.

I think that should tell us something of how important it really is. God is not the author of confusion.

I really believe that it is an issue that God wants us to understand and not just something that is incidental because it speaks volumes about who we are and who HE is.

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I would LOVE to see us able to discuss this the way it should be discussed! I would very much like to fully understand (Scripturally) the Pre-Trib view. I'm one of those who has Not studied this out... I've only read what others have written and I would love to see this presented Point by Point and backed by Scripture. I hope and pray we on this board can come to a place where that is doable (without us fighting over it )
 

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Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :
 
I thought that Tim did a good job of addressing it point by point. But, I am no longer going to argue over the pre-trib. I believe it is backed by the Bible. But, I believe the pre-trib was given to us as a point of comfort. So we do not have to fear the tribulation. It should not be a point of contention among the brethren.
 

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Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
I just did a whole lot of research on the "Latter Rain" - the difference between today's different movements of the current teaching on it and what the Bible actually says about it. I did a post in the Bible Topics section. "Understanding the "Early" and "Latter" Rain"

After reading what Joel's prophecy was Really about and the article I posted, I'm Really Starting to see the Pre-Trib view in a whole new light! I remember Linda's post a Long time ago about the connection between the Jewish Engagement/Wedding traditions and how that correlates with the Rapture and Second Coming. It's starting to make sense to me now!

I wish I had followed that thread you're talking about more closely Betty. I hope at a future time (if we're still here that is ) we'll have an opportunity to Study this out and I can have completely open eyes
 

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Posted by whitesands777 (Member # 3424) on :
 

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Not all who are saints are also bride of Christ, and the rapture of the church is not a resurrection.

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When does one become dead in Christ?

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So you agree the Lord could come at any moment, and when he does he is going to split the mount of olives.

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Originally posted by helpforhomeschoolers:
I am well aware of the context. That is not exactly where I was going.

Let me ask you this differently.... When your body dies, where are you going? If your body dies today where will you be tonight?

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Originally posted by whitesands777:
Well, I believe I will be with the Lord, as other Christians are when they die because it is written "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord."

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